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Well Poker is a sport and has high degrees of skill but you have to be lucky towin the WSOP.
I am at that stage of my poker career that i can make a little money but jumping to the next level is the difficult thing, I have won tournaments in Casinos and Poker clubs but my biggest win to date has been 1700 euros
I played last night On-line in the Five rings festival which was a $200 freezeout with 118 players, I finished 22nd and 18th would have got me £423.00 I played very well except for one hand which cost me the first prize of $7000.00 but you live and learn, im gonna try and play the £500.00 gold rings Freezeout on Friday and hope for decent cards and no mistakes.
Anyway just to compound the beating of last night i also played the Cash table on line with my $70 and picked up 3 jacks and the flop came J 6 2 which i checked then a bet of 20 dollars which was raised by the third player to 40 dollars i flat called (knowing I was massively winning) and so did the player behind me. the turn card was a king and i went all in for the $20 I had left and the player behind me called and the player behind him went ALL IN, the player behind me also went all in and when the cards were turned over i had trip jacks the player behind me had pocket kings and therefore trip kings and the other player had K J giving him two pairs and so every king and every jack was out, now what are the odds of that, my missus was watching me play and she said you should give the game up because your the unluckiest poker player ive ever seen and yes these sort of things happen to me quite reguarlly but I wont let it get me down.
I hope to play in Bolton at the Grosvenor in a major event on jan 12
All poker buffs ala nicey please give us your stories
Neil Young
12-12-06, 02:32 PM
Well Poker is a sport and has high degrees of skill but you have to be lucky towin the WSOP.
I am at that stage of my poker career that i can make a little money but jumping to the next level is the difficult thing, I have won tournaments in Casinos and Poker clubs but my biggest win to date has been 1700 euros
I played last night On-line in the Five rings festival which was a $200 freezeout with 118 players, I finished 22nd and 18th would have got me £423.00 I played very well except for one hand which cost me the first prize of $7000.00 but you live and learn, im gonna try and play the £500.00 gold rings Freezeout on Friday and hope for decent cards and no mistakes.
Anyway just to compound the beating of last night i also played the Cash table on line with my $70 and picked up 3 jacks and the flop came J 6 2 which i checked then a bet of 20 dollars which was raised by the third player to 40 dollars i flat called (knowing I was massively winning) and so did the player behind me. the turn card was a king and i went all in for the $20 I had left and the player behind me called and the player behind him went ALL IN, the player behind me also went all in and when the cards were turned over i had trip jacks the player behind me had pocket kings and therefore trip kings and the other player had K J giving him two pairs and so every king and every jack was out, now what are the odds of that, my missus was watching me play and she said you should give the game up because your the unluckiest poker player ive ever seen and yes these sort of things happen to me quite reguarlly but I wont let it get me down.
I hope to play in Bolton at the Grosvenor in a major event on jan 12
All poker buffs ala nicey please give us your stories
Poker's not a sport IMO, it's a game.
Red_Polo
12-12-06, 02:36 PM
Well Poker is a sport
So it should be in the General Sports forum after all? :crackoff:
One bad hand cost you almost $7,000 in potential winnings?! :o
Wouldn't mind getting into poker, would be good fun to have poker nights with mates etc wouldn't play it for big money or anything. Do you make much playing online then mate? Would you say you're a professional poker player? :D
Mattshark
12-12-06, 02:39 PM
Poker's not a sport IMO, it's a game.
:handshake: Sports require physical effort. Its like saying Monopoly is a sport
Neil Young
12-12-06, 02:39 PM
So it should be in the General Sports forum after all? :crackoff:
One bad hand cost you almost $7,000 in potential winnings?! :o
Wouldn't mind getting into poker, would be good fun to have poker nights with mates etc wouldn't play it for big money or anything. Do you make much playing online then mate? Would you say you're a professional poker player? :D
Shouldn't it be in the Gamblers' Forum?
Actually, Neil, you're right again, it should. :handshake:
Red_Polo
12-12-06, 02:49 PM
Shouldn't it be in the Gamblers' Forum?
Actually, Neil, you're right again, it should. :handshake:
Well, the point I was making is that it shouldn't be in the Library despite Poker's protestations elsewhere that it should be here because 'Poker is a very serious subject' :D
Anyway, reagrding poker. People who wear shades whilst playing it are cheating cunnies. :handshake:
Neil Young
12-12-06, 02:56 PM
Well, the point I was making is that it shouldn't be in the Library despite Poker's protestations elsewhere that it should be here because 'Poker is a very serious subject' :D
Anyway, reagrding poker. People who wear shades whilst playing it are cheating cunnies. :handshake:
I think we agree it shouldn't be here.
I like that Rich Hall joke about the bar in the middle of nowhere in the US that has a neon sign saying, "Liquor in the front. Poker in the rear".
Neil Young
12-12-06, 03:00 PM
1-0.
Red_Polo
12-12-06, 03:06 PM
"Liquor in the front. Poker in the rear".
:jaw: :jaw: :jaw:
how very pendantic and very sad
You really would think that people would have better things to do with there time than move threads
Hopefully the real poker players might want to actually add something meaningful to this subject
nobbylad
12-12-06, 03:10 PM
So it should be in the General Sports forum after all? :crackoff:
One bad hand cost you almost $7,000 in potential winnings?! :o
Wouldn't mind getting into poker, would be good fun to have poker nights with mates etc wouldn't play it for big money or anything. Do you make much playing online then mate? Would you say you're a professional poker player? :D
Download it onto your mobile and play every time you have spare time (and you're not near a p.c. posting here!)...i.e. when you're in the bog.
You'll be world class in no time.:handshake:
Neil Young
12-12-06, 03:12 PM
how very pendantic and very sad
You really would think that people would have better things to do with there time than move threads
Hopefully the real poker players might want to actually add something meaningful to this subject
:haha:
Sorry to have hurt your feelings. :handshake:
Red_Polo
12-12-06, 03:14 PM
Download it onto your mobile and play every time you have spare time (and you're not near a p.c. posting here!)...i.e. when you're in the bog.
You'll be world class in no time.:handshake:
Good idea. Might have to get a new phone capable of it first though :D
Red_Polo
12-12-06, 03:15 PM
how very pendantic and very sad
You really would think that people would have better things to do with there time than move threads
Hopefully the real poker players might want to actually add something meaningful to this subject
:cry:
I did try to keep it on topic, but nobody cared that I thought shade-wearing poker players were nobs :D
Well Poker is a sport and has high degrees of skill but you have to be lucky towin the WSOP.
I am at that stage of my poker career that i can make a little money but jumping to the next level is the difficult thing, I have won tournaments in Casinos and Poker clubs but my biggest win to date has been 1700 euros
I played last night On-line in the Five rings festival which was a $200 freezeout with 118 players, I finished 22nd and 18th would have got me £423.00 I played very well except for one hand which cost me the first prize of $7000.00 but you live and learn, im gonna try and play the £500.00 gold rings Freezeout on Friday and hope for decent cards and no mistakes.
Anyway just to compound the beating of last night i also played the Cash table on line with my $70 and picked up 3 jacks and the flop came J 6 2 which i checked then a bet of 20 dollars which was raised by the third player to 40 dollars i flat called (knowing I was massively winning) and so did the player behind me. the turn card was a king and i went all in for the $20 I had left and the player behind me called and the player behind him went ALL IN, the player behind me also went all in and when the cards were turned over i had trip jacks the player behind me had pocket kings and therefore trip kings and the other player had K J giving him two pairs and so every king and every jack was out, now what are the odds of that, my missus was watching me play and she said you should give the game up because your the unluckiest poker player ive ever seenand yes these sort of things happen to me quite reguarlly but I wont let it get me down.
I hope to play in Bolton at the Grosvenor in a major event on jan 12
All poker buffs ala nicey please give us your stories
Maybe only coz you remember the bad beats? ;)
Tell us about the times you hit....
Well I caught the poker bug big time this year, happened on an episode of the World Poker Tour by accident, watched one episode and was hooked. I knew I would be good at this game. Since then I have watched every episode of the world poker tour, the professional poker tour, high stakes poker, everything I can get my hands on, read Doyle Brunsons Super System one and Two, read Skalanskys book and on Chip Reeaces now. I was obsessed with building a full size ring table, which I eventually did.
I hold regular monthly games and always place 1st or 2nd I try to go easy on my mates otherwise they would stop coming. Hong Kong surprisingly is not big into Poker, every other form of gambling that requires no skill yes, poker no. Even online gambling has been clamped down. Went to Macau last weekend which is a little Island of china which used to be a Portuguese colony, it was handed back to the Chinese a few years ago and now it is the biggest gambling town in the world, within a year of opening new casinos it overtook Vegas, and that’s without the entertainment. Could not find a game of poker for love nor money, literally 1000’s of baccarat tables and weird Chinese dice games which my wife was mad into.
I consider myself not a gambling man but I have a hole lot of gamble in me when it comes to poker. I have only played on Multi table free rolls online and regularly get to the final table with 2000 plus entries, I have found a few potential cash games in Hong Kong one doable stakes and the other a wee bit higher and I am intending to clean there clocks good and proper. I am supremely confident when I seat down at a poker table. I fecking love it, could play Holdem for days. I am a big psychology nut and Holdem mostly has nothing to do with your cards and more about your player.
Last hand which stands out that I remember was one of my home games. A new player came to the game who had gambled his way through college, not a bad player but not as good as he thought he was. He bluffed me out of a small pot and was grinning like the cat that caught the cream. I waited for my chance, and along it came. The pot was a lot bigger than the one he pushed me out of, The Flop came Kh, 8d, Jd, He came out betting big, I was holding Junk cant remember what but it was pure Junk, I called him, IU decided I was going to gamble on another Diamond coming out and I was as they say married to the hand come what may. The Turn Came and it was a 10h, he bet out big again, I called. The River came 2 of Diamonds, without blinking I immediately announced all in, The pot was huge, he was sweating and I picked a spot in the table and just stared at it, my heart pounding but trying not to show it. Mentally I am saying fold fold fold fold =, eventually he pushed he cards away and I smacked down my 3 6 offsuite or what ever it was, he had two pair kings and jacks, I looked at him whilst I use both hands to move the chips over to my side and said next time I’ll have it pay backs a bitch !
I f ing loved that hand. Its all about knowing your opponent, I would not try that on every player but we has some history in the game, which is usually a very profitable thing. No Limit Texas Holdem is an extremely sophisticated game of strategy, psychology, gambling and is just plain fun. All men should play poker, smoke cigars and drink whiskey neat. There should a law passed or something.
Mate you should check out the pokerbay it’s a torrent site with tons and tons of poker videos.
My favorite hand has to be J,10 you have very good odds with that hand, my least favorite hand is close one between Q,9 or A,K both of these hands can easily get you into a lot of trouble.
Here is a picture of the table I built, so much fun has been had on this puppy :rock:
Red Chilli
12-12-06, 05:44 PM
:handshake: Sports require physical effort. Its like saying Monopoly is a sport
What about tiddlywinks? Is that a sport? :eyebrow:
Well I caught the poker bug big time this year, happened on an episode of the World Poker Tour by accident, watched one episode and was hooked. I knew I would be good at this game. Since then I have watched every episode of the world poker tour, the professional poker tour, high stakes poker, everything I can get my hands on, read Doyle Brunsons Super System one and Two, read Skalanskys book and on Chip Reeaces now. I was obsessed with building a full size ring table, which I eventually did.
I hold regular monthly games and always place 1st or 2nd I try to go easy on my mates otherwise they would stop coming. Hong Kong surprisingly is not big into Poker, every other form of gambling that requires no skill yes, poker no. Even online gambling has been clamped down. Went to Macau last weekend which is a little Island of china which used to be a Portuguese colony, it was handed back to the Chinese a few years ago and now it is the biggest gambling town in the world, within a year of opening new casinos it overtook Vegas, and that’s without the entertainment. Could not find a game of poker for love nor money, literally 1000’s of baccarat tables and weird Chinese dice games which my wife was mad into.
I consider myself not a gambling man but I have a hole lot of gamble in me when it comes to poker. I have only played on Multi table free rolls online and regularly get to the final table with 2000 plus entries, I have found a few potential cash games in Hong Kong one doable stakes and the other a wee bit higher and I am intending to clean there clocks good and proper. I am supremely confident when I seat down at a poker table. I fecking love it, could play Holdem for days. I am a big psychology nut and Holdem mostly has nothing to do with your cards and more about your player.
Last hand which stands out that I remember was one of my home games. A new player came to the game who had gambled his way through college, not a bad player but not as good as he thought he was. He bluffed me out of a small pot and was grinning like the cat that caught the cream. I waited for my chance, and along it came. The pot was a lot bigger than the one he pushed me out of, The Flop came Kh, 8d, Jd, He came out betting big, I was holding Junk cant remember what but it was pure Junk, I called him, IU decided I was going to gamble on another Diamond coming out and I was as they say married to the hand come what may. The Turn Came and it was a 10h, he bet out big again, I called. The River came 2 of Diamonds, without blinking I immediately announced all in, The pot was huge, he was sweating and I picked a spot in the table and just stared at it, my heart pounding but trying not to show it. Mentally I am saying fold fold fold fold =, eventually he pushed he cards away and I smacked down my 3 6 offsuite or what ever it was, he had two pair kings and jacks, I looked at him whilst I use both hands to move the chips over to my side and said next time I’ll have it pay backs a bitch !
I f ing loved that hand. Its all about knowing your opponent, I would not try that on every player but we has some history in the game, which is usually a very profitable thing. No Limit Texas Holdem is an extremely sophisticated game of strategy, psychology, gambling and is just plain fun. All men should play poker, smoke cigars and drink whiskey neat. There should a law passed or something.
Mate you should check out the pokerbay it’s a torrent site with tons and tons of poker videos.
My favorite hand has to be J,10 you have very good odds with that hand, my least favorite hand is close one between Q,9 or A,K both of these hands can easily get you into a lot of trouble.
Here is a picture of the table I built, so much fun has been had on this puppy :rock:
Sweet table :respect:
Well I caught the poker bug big time this year, happened on an episode of the World Poker Tour by accident, watched one episode and was hooked. I knew I would be good at this game. Since then I have watched every episode of the world poker tour, the professional poker tour, high stakes poker, everything I can get my hands on, read Doyle Brunsons Super System one and Two, read Skalanskys book and on Chip Reeaces now. I was obsessed with building a full size ring table, which I eventually did.
I hold regular monthly games and always place 1st or 2nd I try to go easy on my mates otherwise they would stop coming. Hong Kong surprisingly is not big into Poker, every other form of gambling that requires no skill yes, poker no. Even online gambling has been clamped down. Went to Macau last weekend which is a little Island of china which used to be a Portuguese colony, it was handed back to the Chinese a few years ago and now it is the biggest gambling town in the world, within a year of opening new casinos it overtook Vegas, and that’s without the entertainment. Could not find a game of poker for love nor money, literally 1000’s of baccarat tables and weird Chinese dice games which my wife was mad into.
I consider myself not a gambling man but I have a hole lot of gamble in me when it comes to poker. I have only played on Multi table free rolls online and regularly get to the final table with 2000 plus entries, I have found a few potential cash games in Hong Kong one doable stakes and the other a wee bit higher and I am intending to clean there clocks good and proper. I am supremely confident when I seat down at a poker table. I fecking love it, could play Holdem for days. I am a big psychology nut and Holdem mostly has nothing to do with your cards and more about your player.
Last hand which stands out that I remember was one of my home games. A new player came to the game who had gambled his way through college, not a bad player but not as good as he thought he was. He bluffed me out of a small pot and was grinning like the cat that caught the cream. I waited for my chance, and along it came. The pot was a lot bigger than the one he pushed me out of, The Flop came Kh, 8d, Jd, He came out betting big, I was holding Junk cant remember what but it was pure Junk, I called him, IU decided I was going to gamble on another Diamond coming out and I was as they say married to the hand come what may. The Turn Came and it was a 10h, he bet out big again, I called. The River came 2 of Diamonds, without blinking I immediately announced all in, The pot was huge, he was sweating and I picked a spot in the table and just stared at it, my heart pounding but trying not to show it. Mentally I am saying fold fold fold fold =, eventually he pushed he cards away and I smacked down my 3 6 offsuite or what ever it was, he had two pair kings and jacks, I looked at him whilst I use both hands to move the chips over to my side and said next time I’ll have it pay backs a bitch !
I f ing loved that hand. Its all about knowing your opponent, I would not try that on every player but we has some history in the game, which is usually a very profitable thing. No Limit Texas Holdem is an extremely sophisticated game of strategy, psychology, gambling and is just plain fun. All men should play poker, smoke cigars and drink whiskey neat. There should a law passed or something.
Mate you should check out the pokerbay it’s a torrent site with tons and tons of poker videos.
My favorite hand has to be J,10 you have very good odds with that hand, my least favorite hand is close one between Q,9 or A,K both of these hands can easily get you into a lot of trouble.
Here is a picture of the table I built, so much fun has been had on this puppy :rock:
Reread Supersystem and you will see AK is the best hand in poker if played right. ie you fold it on the flop or bluff on the flop and fold to any reraise, the secret with AK is you should be able to get away from it if you dont hit the flop and your a coin flip against any pair except kings and aces, my favourite hand other than Aces, prefer it to kings as any Ace kills you
My mate (who can really play poker) told me the best book he has read in ages is ACES ON THE RIVER by Greenstein
calvoboy
12-12-06, 09:32 PM
Reread Supersystem and you will see AK is the best hand in poker if played right. ie you fold it on the flop or bluff on the flop and fold to any reraise, the secret with AK is you should be able to get away from it if you dont hit the flop and your a coin flip against any pair except kings and aces, my favourite hand other than Aces, prefer it to kings as any Ace kills you
Maybe so, but I always bear in mind that it has been nicknamed Anna Kournikova by some pros. Looks great, but wins nothing on its own!
It's still a drawing hand, so the trick is to play it as you've said and get out if you hit nothing on the flop.
calvoboy
12-12-06, 09:36 PM
My worst ever beat incidentally was the other night. I had pocket Jacks late in a tournament. The flop came J 7 3 so I went all-in having made the set with no overcards. I got a call and he revealed K 10. So, being a huge huge favourite to win, imagine my surprise when I found myself exiting the tournament when the next two cards were 8 and 9!
Great game at times :shake:
captainfog
12-12-06, 11:01 PM
:handshake: Sports require physical effort. Its like saying Monopoly is a sport
Monopoly is the sport of Kings :)
My worst ever beat incidentally was the other night. I had pocket Jacks late in a tournament. The flop came J 7 3 so I went all-in having made the set with no overcards. I got a call and he revealed K 10. So, being a huge huge favourite to win, imagine my surprise when I found myself exiting the tournament when the next two cards were 8 and 9!
Great game at times :shake:
Had one very similar. Had QQ in the hole, so raised pre-flop (think about 3/4 times the blind). Was called by someone. Flop was rag, no over cards or anything. I go all in to take the cash. They call. Cards are flipped over and they have JJ. I'm getting ready for the next hand. Turn is a J and so is the River. :shake:
Things like that happen. I'll get the break next time around.
Where do I start?!! I am the definition of badbeats!! I was beaten the other day with a house, jacks full of Aces. The way the cards went (I had AJ, the only hand that could beat me was a poker of Aces. Of course, The fucking cnut had it!! RIGGED!!!
When you're playing online, watch out for a few thigs that ALWAYS seem to happen. IE: You slow play 2 pair and the fooking board pairs up to leave you on your arse. Another, When you get pocket Q's, fucking beware as someone always seems to be dealt pocket K's or Aces in the same hand.
I hate pocket 10's. Can't win (a race against 2 overs) with them or cant win against them!!
Grrrrr....
Maybe so, but I always bear in mind that it has been nicknamed Anna Kournikova by some pros. Looks great, but wins nothing on its own!
It's still a drawing hand, so the trick is to play it as you've said and get out if you hit nothing on the flop.
Yeah I know this as well, its why its called big slick but it looks just so darn purty. Also when some cabbage goes all in pre flop and you are holding AK suited it’s a very difficult hand to throw away. For me anyways, but I usually do, unless I have him covered by 3 to 1
Red_Polo
13-12-06, 02:37 AM
Good job on the table Nicey, I've gotta say. :handshake:
Cheers fella its quite easy to make and worth it, everybody loves Texas Holdem nights. Give anyone some chips sit them at a table and play a few hands and are hooked
Chiccada
13-12-06, 09:16 AM
Yeah I know this as well, its why its called big slick but it looks just so darn purty. Also when some cabbage goes all in pre flop and you are holding AK suited it’s a very difficult hand to throw away. For me anyways, but I usually do, unless I have him covered by 3 to 1
A-K. I like this hand, as has been said earlier its easy to get away from if things go pear shaped. People often get caught in the headlights playing this hand. Here's a piece info I like to recall on should I get dealt it: I never call this hand big slick, I always call it Anna Kournikova as it looks good but doesnt win much. :haha:
Best result I had was a small tourney I played in a few weeks back £25 + £10 rebuys for the first 1.5 hours. 18 people started, I won £325. Hand of the night was my 8-9 suited. I was first to speak and raised got flat calls from 2 ppl including the big blind. Flop comes down 7-10-J. Giving me the nuts!! I minimum bet again, one calls the other re-raises 2.5 times what I bet. I immediately call all-in, knowing how the re-raiser plays. I have both covered and BOTH players call my all in. Now, there is about 18k in chips in the pot. I turn over my hand, showing the straight, caller shows KK, re-raiser shows pocket rockets. My hand holds up, I knock both players out and become chip leader. Gave me the platform to go on and win the thing!!! :rock:
Nice .. the perfect poker storm nearly impossible to get away from them hands in that situation although with all that action I would have to think seriously about how good my Kings were .. nice one
Neil Young
13-12-06, 02:54 PM
Monopoly is the sport of Kings :)
No, the sport of kings is Totopoly.
Had one very similar. Had QQ in the hole, so raised pre-flop (think about 3/4 times the blind). Was called by someone. Flop was rag, no over cards or anything. I go all in to take the cash. They call. Cards are flipped over and they have JJ. I'm getting ready for the next hand. Turn is a J and so is the River. :shake:
Things like that happen. I'll get the break next time around.
these things happen all the time i was down to five in a tournament and was all in on KK and couldnt was pleased to see my apponent had KQ the flop had me still in front but Q on Turn and Q on the River cost me the Tourny and to make matters worse the 4 of them split the prize money after that hand
As they say shiete happen, i was in a tournament having two pairs and got outdrawn on a flush draw but the player was getting pot odds to call my All in bet, thats just poker but ive lost count how many times ive been outdrawn with seriously the best hand
A-K. I like this hand, as has been said earlier its easy to get away from if things go pear shaped. People often get caught in the headlights playing this hand. Here's a piece info I like to recall on should I get dealt it: I never call this hand big slick, I always call it Anna Kournikova as it looks good but doesnt win much. :haha:
Best result I had was a small tourney I played in a few weeks back £25 + £10 rebuys for the first 1.5 hours. 18 people started, I won £325. Hand of the night was my 8-9 suited. I was first to speak and raised got flat calls from 2 ppl including the big blind. Flop comes down 7-10-J. Giving me the nuts!! I minimum bet again, one calls the other re-raises 2.5 times what I bet. I immediately call all-in, knowing how the re-raiser plays. I have both covered and BOTH players call my all in. Now, there is about 18k in chips in the pot. I turn over my hand, showing the straight, caller shows KK, re-raiser shows pocket rockets. My hand holds up, I knock both players out and become chip leader. Gave me the platform to go on and win the thing!!! :rock:
just to emphasise the AK thing people have a lot of trouble putting down Queens. I played at a cash table last night with K 7 and hit King on the flop and raised the pot which was called and raised the pot again unitl my oponent was All in and i won about 200 euros on a shiete hand because he wasnt prepared to fold his Queens and was just hoping to hit trips or a straight to break me. I want players to make those calls all night long, the player in question would fold that hand in a tournament but obviously not in a cash game.
these things happen all the time i was down to five in a tournament and was all in on KK and couldnt was pleased to see my apponent had KQ the flop had me still in front but Q on Turn and Q on the River cost me the Tourny and to make matters worse the 4 of them split the prize money after that hand
As they say shiete happen, i was in a tournament having two pairs and got outdrawn on a flush draw but the player was getting pot odds to call my All in bet, thats just poker but ive lost count how many times ive been outdrawn with seriously the best hand
Yeah, they happen, but people only remember the bad beats. You never remember the good ones. Over time good and bad will even themselves out. :handshake:
Yeah, they happen, but people only remember the bad beats. You never remember the good ones. Over time good and bad will even themselves out. :handshake:
If Only
Play long enough and good enough and I am told they will. I so f ing wish I was back living in the UK or the US were I can easily get live action, not completely comfortable gambling online.
Can any of you boys explain how best to run a home cash game. I usually run a freeze out tournment style game. Buy in gets you 10'000 in chips one rebuy allowed in the first 2 hours. But now that I have these f rs hooked and that I have found quite a few cash players in Hong Kong, I want to get a regular cash game going. I have lots of very classy chips, but they are 50, 100, 500, and 1000 dollar chips, I am not quite at them stakes yet.
Thinking of having a 5 and 10 (Hong Kong) dollar no limit game, any of you boys give me a run down of how to run that game?
Cheers
Poker - I play a lot of online poker and occasionally you can play it perfectly and the one in 10/20/50 chance hits.
re. 3Js vs 3Ks vs JJKK : Without knowing how tight/loose the players wereand the preflop play, I find it very unlikely that anyone could get away from that hand.
What stakes were you playing at with $70 out of interest?
Play long enough and good enough and I am told they will. I so f ing wish I was back living in the UK or the US were I can easily get live action, not completely comfortable gambling online.
Can any of you boys explain how best to run a home cash game. I usually run a freeze out tournment style game. Buy in gets you 10'000 in chips one rebuy allowed in the first 2 hours. But now that I have these f rs hooked and that I have found quite a few cash players in Hong Kong, I want to get a regular cash game going. I have lots of very classy chips, but they are 50, 100, 500, and 1000 dollar chips, I am not quite at them stakes yet.
Thinking of having a 5 and 10 (Hong Kong) dollar no limit game, any of you boys give me a run down of how to run that game?
Cheers
I'd possibly suggest a minimum and maximum buy-in. i.e. minimum $200 and, say max $2000. You can of course 'rebuy' if you go bust.
Poker - I play a lot of online poker and occasionally you can play it perfectly and the one in 10/20/50 chance hits.
re. 3Js vs 3Ks vs JJKK : Without knowing how tight/loose the players wereand the preflop play, I find it very unlikely that anyone could get away from that hand.
What stakes were you playing at with $70 out of interest?
1 and 2 dollar blinds, raise 10 preflop and 30 on flop and the balance on the turn
1 and 2 dollar blinds, raise 10 preflop and 30 on flop and the balance on the turn
Well, I can't think of a situation when I'm not going to put my last 20 into a pot of £120+ with the second nuts, so nothing you could have done.
I think it's impossible to get away from a set vs set, unless you know your opponent VERY well. He'd have to be tight as duck's ass.
Well, I can't think of a situation when I'm not going to put my last 20 into a pot of £120+ with the second nuts, so nothing you could have done.
I think it's impossible to get away from a set vs set, unless you know your opponent VERY well. He'd have to be tight as duck's ass.
I was winning on the flop and he was a 21-1 shot to hit the King with two cards left as there was only one king left in the deck and he hit it
I was winning on the flop and he was a 21-1 shot to hit the King with two cards left as there was only one king left in the deck and he hit it
I hit a King on the River last night, twas sweet.
He was short stacked so went all-in pre-flop with A9. I had KK.
Flop comes with 9 muck muck.
Turn is an A, so he's got two pair to my KK.
River is a K :rock:
I had the better hand, but seeing that K was sweet. I think he was actually reaching over to colelct the chips.
I was winning on the flop and he was a 21-1 shot to hit the King with two cards left as there was only one king left in the deck and he hit it
Yes I know, thanks for telling me :haha:
I'm saying that you were losing your money no matter what happened there, there's nothing you can do, everyone else would have played it the same - it's just a bad beat :handshake:
I hit a King on the River last night, twas sweet.
He was short stacked so went all-in pre-flop with A9. I had KK.
Flop comes with 9 muck muck.
Turn is an A, so he's got two pair to my KK.
River is a K :rock:
I had the better hand, but seeing that K was sweet. I think he was actually reaching over to colelct the chips.
I actually had a VERY similar situation where my 3 Jacks on the flop came up against 3 Aces on the flop.
No fucking way that my money wasn't going in.
However, I hit a runner runner flush. :rock:
I was actually reloading as the cards got dealt (this was online)
Chiccada
15-12-06, 02:46 PM
just to emphasise the AK thing people have a lot of trouble putting down Queens. I played at a cash table last night with K 7 and hit King on the flop and raised the pot which was called and raised the pot again unitl my oponent was All in and i won about 200 euros on a shiete hand because he wasnt prepared to fold his Queens and was just hoping to hit trips or a straight to break me. I want players to make those calls all night long, the player in question would fold that hand in a tournament but obviously not in a cash game.
Hands like QQ and JJ are the sort of hands that you should play like you have AA or KK PRE FLOP. This way you sweep out all the crud and potentially leaves you with players that are holding over cards more often than not. If you hit or are sure your oppo doesnt hit you can be the aggressor and if over cards turn up, your QQ becomes a hell of alot easier to fold.
We have a guy round our weekly table who wil always play a hand that involves an Ace regardless of kicker. I would say he's a fish but it can be so easy sometimes to take chips off the guy. Like the guy you played who had the QQ, I want to play ppl like that all the time it always equates to easy money!!!
Hands like QQ and JJ are the sort of hands that you should play like you have AA or KK PRE FLOP. This way you sweep out all the crud and potentially leaves you with players that are holding over cards more often than not. If you hit or are sure your oppo doesnt hit you can be the aggressor and if over cards turn up, your QQ becomes a hell of alot easier to fold.
We have a guy round our weekly table who wil always play a hand that involves an Ace regardless of kicker. I would say he's a fish but it can be so easy sometimes to take chips off the guy. Like the guy you played who had the QQ, I want to play ppl like that all the time it always equates to easy money!!!
Absolutely. We may remember when he's called every bet to the river, called an all-in with Ace-rag and hit, but ultimately we want to play the fish every day if they're going to take ridiculous chances.
Hands like QQ and JJ are the sort of hands that you should play like you have AA or KK PRE FLOP. This way you sweep out all the crud and potentially leaves you with players that are holding over cards more often than not. If you hit or are sure your oppo doesnt hit you can be the aggressor and if over cards turn up, your QQ becomes a hell of alot easier to fold.
We have a guy round our weekly table who wil always play a hand that involves an Ace regardless of kicker. I would say he's a fish but it can be so easy sometimes to take chips off the guy. Like the guy you played who had the QQ, I want to play ppl like that all the time it always equates to easy money!!!
Dissagree a little about JJ and QQ because there not as strong as KK against AK, in fact there a coin flip. I played in a casino where i had queen and put my oponent on AK when i had QQ one apponent was already in so i just called the bet and small reraise of the all in and when the A or K didnt hit the flop i moved all in, the player i was playing against had more chips than me and couldnt call the bet but he could have pre-flop and i won a pot when i coulld easily have lost my tournament in which i finished second to the player who had AK
TheStig
16-12-06, 03:30 PM
Just getting into poker myself. Love it.
Only playing money with my mates, no chance I'll do it online as I seem to end up with bad beats all the time. I've had sort 5 in a row, most of them with them down on 5%-10% of making their hand on the river. Only for them to hit it:rant: :rant: .
Waht online sites do you use? I'm on pokeroom really (even though it has a limit on when you can log in for play money players, you can stay logged in past this time though).
online pokers a joke
the ammount of complete hands is a joke
TheStig
16-12-06, 04:15 PM
online pokers a joke
the ammount of complete hands is a joke
Yeah there's no chance I'm playing any real money on it.
Chiccada
16-12-06, 09:44 PM
Yeah there's no chance I'm playing any real money on it.
I dont mind palying the odd cheap-o buy in once in a blue moon, but as for anything more substantial it has to be real tourneys for me.
You can so easily tell who the internet players are at tourneys its untrue.
Chiccada
16-12-06, 09:50 PM
Dissagree a little about JJ and QQ because there not as strong as KK against AK, in fact there a coin flip. I played in a casino where i had queen and put my oponent on AK when i had QQ one apponent was already in so i just called the bet and small reraise of the all in and when the A or K didnt hit the flop i moved all in, the player i was playing against had more chips than me and couldnt call the bet but he could have pre-flop and i won a pot when i coulld easily have lost my tournament in which i finished second to the player who had AK
I understand why you disagree, but its all about showing strength and knowing precisely where you are in a hand. To play these hands, in my opinion, you have to remove all elements of risk that you can possibly remove.
I understand why you disagree, but its all about showing strength and knowing precisely where you are in a hand. To play these hands, in my opinion, you have to remove all elements of risk that you can possibly remove.
The thing is that I knew exactly where I was I put him on AK and with his chip stack he was going to call whatever i bet so i left myself an out, I want to avoid coin flips in tournaments I want to get my money in with a clear advantage and AK against QQ is only a small advantage for QQ, obviously if the roles had been reversed and i had the huge chip stack then I would have moved all In with QQ
Who here has texas Holdem on the Xbox360 Or Stacked for the PC ? fancy getting a game together ? for a laugh some Saturday, have one once a month or something
TheStig
19-12-06, 01:18 PM
Who here has texas Holdem on the Xbox360 Or Stacked for the PC ? fancy getting a game together ? for a laugh some Saturday, have one once a month or something
Nah I missed the free Texas Holdem on 360 (I was on holiday), and there's absolutely no way I'm paying £6.66 (800 points) to play just the one type of Poker, when I can play many different types for free on PC. MS are having a laugh.
What's stacked?
EDIT: Nah not paying for a game as I've already said....
Mate ! Mate ! 6.99 is worth every penny. 360 poker is the best poker game out there by a country mile. The crack on some tables is 90. It’s the closet thing to a live game you will ever experience. If you love poker and have an 360 you must get this game. Some pretty serious players on there who will give you a decent game. I got it for free but I would most defeintly pay for it.
It’s the perfect poker game.
Daniel Negraneui’s (spelling) Stacked is probably the best of the best in terms of AI of the computer poker games out there. Great graphics and smooth gameplay. Only Texas NL Holdem though. Sure if you look around the internet you may find a copy of it
Also you Poker nutters might want to check out http://thepokerbay.org/ for all you poker needs in one place
also the 360 game is voice enabled which really makes all the difference, you can bluff people out of a pot set traps, wind people up ... its class .. many a drunken night has been spent on there .. tops
Played a small buy-in MTT last night. $8 at half 7 on PP.
411 players. Down to the final table and had a decent stack (70,000 odd which was about middle of the 9 remaining players)
Blinds were 5,000 and 10,000 at this time (12 min intervals).
Was dealt pocket Q's and had the button.
3 Others called the big blind and i raised all in. They all folded but 1. He turned over AQ.
A fucking straight run of 2345 comes out in the middle. Jesus Christ.
I'd have won the whole thing most probably but for that ($900 first prize). Was blinded out after that in 8th place and picked up a measly $90.
Played a small buy-in MTT last night. $8 at half 7 on PP.
411 players. Down to the final table and had a decent stack (70,000 odd which was about middle of the 9 remaining players)
Blinds were 5,000 and 10,000 at this time (12 min intervals).
Was dealt pocket Q's and had the button.
3 Others called the big blind and i raised all in. They all folded but 1. He turned over AQ.
A fucking straight run of 2345 comes out in the middle. Jesus Christ.
I'd have won the whole thing most probably but for that ($900 first prize). Was blinded out after that in 8th place and picked up a measly $90.
Now that's harsh. You did the right thing though.
Just reading a book by David Sklansky : very interesting thoughts on bet sizes/manipulating pots etc. Well worth reading.
TheStig
20-12-06, 12:51 PM
Mate ! Mate ! 6.99 is worth every penny. 360 poker is the best poker game out there by a country mile. The crack on some tables is 90. It’s the closet thing to a live game you will ever experience. If you love poker and have an 360 you must get this game. Some pretty serious players on there who will give you a decent game. I got it for free but I would most defeintly pay for it.
It’s the perfect poker game.
Daniel Negraneui’s (spelling) Stacked is probably the best of the best in terms of AI of the computer poker games out there. Great graphics and smooth gameplay. Only Texas NL Holdem though. Sure if you look around the internet you may find a copy of it
Also you Poker nutters might want to check out http://thepokerbay.org/ for all you poker needs in one place
Yeah but at the end of the day it's still £6.66 for a poker game which I can play free on here. It's the principle more than anything. Plus, I find it a bit slow (although that was only the trial against the AI, which is shit). If it was half the price it is (Uno is a card game and that's 400 points) I'd have got it.
Now that's harsh. You did the right thing though.
Just reading a book by David Sklansky : very interesting thoughts on bet sizes/manipulating pots etc. Well worth reading.
'Theory of poker'?
I'm getting this over the Xmas...
TheStig
20-12-06, 11:21 PM
Well I gave in and bought it anyway Nicey. Check your PMs.
Until you play for real money it aint real poker.
people play differently when there's money on it and the game actually means something
'Theory of poker'?
I'm getting this over the Xmas...
I've got one of his follow up books :
http://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Limit-Hold-Theory-Practice/dp/188068537X/ref=pd_sxp_grid_pt_0_2/202-8690926-3599851
Very interesting read. Certainly demonstrated to me that while my theory is sound, I could do a lot more with my bet selection/pot manipulation.
TheStig
21-12-06, 09:49 AM
Until you play for real money it aint real poker.
people play differently when there's money on it and the game actually means something
Yeah there's obviously alot of donkey's who go all in every hand on play money, I play real money with my mates.
TheStig
21-12-06, 03:24 PM
Just had a real money tourney and got 2 of the most outrageous bad beats for me:) .
3 left (top 2 paid), I was CL (by about 60 or 70)
Someone goes all in, I call. I had 88 and he had KQ, he hit a K on the flop and turned one so had trip K, but then I got a third 8 on the river for full house :D .
Then there was 2 left, I had QT and we both saw the flop 3T5, he went all in, I called, he turned over 35. Turn came T and the river was Q. I had him beat on the turn anyway but nice to see the Q for my full house.
Just had a real money tourney and got 2 of the most outrageous bad beats for me:) .
3 left (top 2 paid), I was CL (by about 60 or 70)
Someone goes all in, I call. I had 88 and he had KQ, he hit a K on the flop and turned one so had trip K, but then I got a third 8 on the river for full house :D .
Then there was 2 left, I had QT and we both saw the flop 3T5, he went all in, I called, he turned over 35. Turn came T and the river was Q. I had him beat on the turn anyway but nice to see the Q for my full house.
It's nice to hear the good beats :haha:
I once won a 10 seat STT in about 15 hands. Tripled up first hand when I hit a set, and was happy to gamble from then on. Got dealt some amazing hands, but was also hitting with the trash.
I think it was down to 3 within 5-6 hands. The heads-up lasted longer than the rest of the game :haha:
Carnage, absolute great fun. :rock:
PS Oh yeah - heads up was 13000 ish vs under 1500. The bastard kept folding to my all-ins otherwise I might have won quicker :haha:
TheStig
21-12-06, 05:18 PM
Just put the cards into an odds calculator and I was 4% before the river to hit my 8 for the first one:haha: .
The second one was 14% to win the hand before the turn, obviously the turn won me the hand regardless of the river.
Just put the cards into an odds calculator and I was 4% before the river to hit my 8 for the first one:haha: .
The second one was 14% to win the hand before the turn, obviously the turn won me the hand regardless of the river.
That's a good hit :rock:
I hit runner runner straight flush a few weeks ago, at odds of around 1000-1. Can't remember what I was up against to comment on my odds on winning the hand, but it was a sweet pot! Can just remember shouting 'Come on Jack of Diamonds, come on Jack of diamonds!.....YES!' before trying to work out how to get my entire stack in the middle.
Based on the betting, I'm also fairly sure I hit a case 6 for 4 of a kind (44-1 ish), up against KKK66, but I didn't see his hand.
Jesus, felt guilty about this!
D: Game [148718] started with 6 players.
D: PokerBoy99 called $0.50 and raised $1.25
D: Bust-Me-Not folded.
D: Disco2000 called $1.50
D: Tiltometer folded.
D: Dealing flop.
D: Board cards [Tc 5d 2d]
D: Disco2000 checked.
D: PokerBoy99 bet $2
D: Disco2000 called $2
D: Dealing turn.
D: Board cards [Tc 5d 2d Js]
D: Disco2000 checked.
D: PokerBoy99 bet $8
D: Disco2000 called $8 and raised $24
D: PokerBoy99 called $24 and raised $24
D: Disco2000 called $9.83 and is All-in
D: Showdown!
D: Board cards [Tc 5d 2d Js 5c]
D: PokerBoy99 has Full House : 10s full of 5s
D: Disco2000 has Four of a kind: 5s
D: Disco2000 wins $88.66 with Four of a kind: 5s
PokerBoy99: omfg
Tiltometer: sick
Bust-Me-Not: wow
Bust-Me-Not: sick
PokerBoy99: wd donkey kong
Disco2000: jesus, was even reloading. Sorry
TheStig
21-12-06, 11:40 PM
Nice!:rock: :rock:
Nice!:rock: :rock:
Since bluffed them off of course :haha:
TheStig
22-12-06, 12:05 AM
I once flopped quads (I've done it twice actually!). I was holding PocketKs and flop was KK?, someone went all in. I called, and everyone on the table was quite impressed when the cards were turned over (it was online).
Other time I had a K in the pocket and the flop came KKK :D .
Wish me luck Im at the Grosvenor Bolton on Jan 12 for GUKPT event which lasts for 3 days, however there will be a lot of professionals and the winner will probably get up with 40k. My first proper big tournament.
I feel like a footballer playing his first game in the premiership.
Just hope I dont get a bad beat on day one
Good luck matey :handshake:
Good luck matey :handshake:
Cheers :handshake:
Finnish_Red
31-12-06, 05:48 PM
Wish me luck Im at the Grosvenor Bolton on Jan 12 for GUKPT event which lasts for 3 days, however there will be a lot of professionals and the winner will probably get up with 40k. My first proper big tournament.
I feel like a footballer playing his first game in the premiership.
Just hope I dont get a bad beat on day one
May your cards be live & your pots be mustered
:handshake:
Just played in the $5000.00 guaranteed event on bluesquare and down to the last 100
I have 15000 chips First hand i have QQ and just flat call (hoping to move all in on the flop) another player then raises so i then move all in and get 3 calls.
Anyway the flop comes down 7 6 A and i call the last 1000 of the player going all in as there's over 30000 in the pot. this leaves me with 5000 chips anyway when the cards are turned over he has A 5 and beats my QQ the other two players were just born stupid and were nowhere near winning.
a few hands later I have Q K and my 5000 chips are all in with 5 callers the flop comes over QQJ so I have trips with the King kicker, so i moved 3 of the other callers have an A and the last player had AQ ie having the only A & Q left in the deck
Not my day, but just shows you how lucky you have to be to win a tournament
Finnish_Red
06-01-07, 08:41 PM
Played yesterday a freeroll (was waiting for my money to hit Neteller) of about 1100 participants, won the whole thing and got a few euros and a ticket to a weekly final. Now at the final table of that tourney (~700 players), have already won a ticket to a monthly 100k tournament and fighting now for some extra money. :rock:
TheStig
07-01-07, 01:01 AM
Played yesterday a freeroll (was waiting for my money to hit Neteller) of about 1100 participants, won the whole thing and got a few euros and a ticket to a weekly final. Now at the final table of that tourney (~700 players), have already won a ticket to a monthly 100k tournament and fighting now for some extra money. :rock:
Nice!
mchaggis
08-01-07, 07:33 AM
Anyway just to compound the beating of last night i also played the Cash table on line with my $70 and picked up 3 jacks and the flop came J 6 2 which i checked then a bet of 20 dollars which was raised by the third player to 40 dollars i flat called (knowing I was massively winning) and so did the player behind me. the turn card was a king and i went all in for the $20 I had left and the player behind me called and the player behind him went ALL IN, the player behind me also went all in and when the cards were turned over i had trip jacks the player behind me had pocket kings and therefore trip kings and the other player had K J giving him two pairs and so every king and every jack was out, now what are the odds of that, my missus was watching me play and she said you should give the game up because your the unluckiest poker player ive ever seen and yes these sort of things happen to me quite reguarlly but I wont let it get me down.
This was played badly.
Trips should almost always be played very agressively cause this is not a monster hand.
You also didn't tell what happened pre-flop and u had 2 opponents. If you were heads-up you maybe could slowplay this on the flop but not with two in.
KK would not fold anyway and KJ probably wasn't a very good player (or you other 2 played very badly preflop).
JJ is not that strong hand after all...
gtg to work now, poker not gettin me enuff yet ;)
Haha, there are some almighty clowns playing poker on the net.
The other day.
STT (6 seater)
Dealt AJd on BB.
4 limpers so i raise it up 5 times the BB.
2 callers.
Flop comes Jd 4d 7d.
So i hit top pair with A kicker and flush draw with the Ad in my hand.
Player x bets 600 (about 2/3 of pot)
I go over the top allin. Player Y Calls in a shot so i'm thinking 'shite he must already have a flush'. Player X who bet the 600 reluctantly calls so i know i'm ahead of him.
We turn over the cards. Player X has Q'd and a jack so he can't be blamed for calling. Player Y (the guy that called like a shot so i thought he was already holding 2 diamonds) turns over a fucking K and 8d. (fuckwit)
What happens? No diamond comes but a K hits the river and the fuckwit with approx 2 outs(unless he hit runner runner 8's) took down the pot!! 2 outs as one of the K's would have been a Kd.
Needless to say, i gave him mountains of abuse.
:shake:
This was played badly.
Trips should almost always be played very agressively cause this is not a monster hand.
You also didn't tell what happened pre-flop and u had 2 opponents. If you were heads-up you maybe could slowplay this on the flop but not with two in.
KK would not fold anyway and KJ probably wasn't a very good player (or you other 2 played very badly preflop).
JJ is not that strong hand after all...
gtg to work now, poker not gettin me enuff yet ;)
LOL
Are you for real
mchaggis
10-01-07, 09:39 PM
just came from a rebuy torunament (live). Rebuy period was over, I had 5k chips (100/200 blinds) and in LP.
MP1 raises 2100 I go allin witk AK blinds fold. He had about 4k more (so if he lost 1k left.
He shows A6s and ofcourse gets a flush on the turn. I got a king on the flop.
AND HE WAS WEARING JUVENTUS SHIRT! Fuckin italians always get lucky (he's not italian, just a wanker, good enuff)
I'm not very happy.
just came from a rebuy torunament (live). Rebuy period was over, I had 5k chips (100/200 blinds) and in LP.
MP1 raises 2100 I go allin witk AK blinds fold. He had about 4k more (so if he lost 1k left.
He shows A6s and ofcourse gets a flush on the turn. I got a king on the flop.
AND HE WAS WEARING JUVENTUS SHIRT! Fuckin italians always get lucky (he's not italian, just a wanker, good enuff)
I'm not very happy.
I fucking hate Ace King .. although I know it should not get beat heads up, It always does .. I dont like putting all my chips in with that hand
LOL
Are you for real
That was very unlucky mate and quite a deceptive board, but that said when you got two ... two calls you must have known something was up ..
Badbeat
mchaggis
11-01-07, 07:45 AM
I fucking hate Ace King .. although I know it should not get beat heads up, It always does .. I dont like putting all my chips in with that hand
I hate it too, but fold would be just wrong. He did go allin before with shit hands - stealing - and a raise of 2100 surely showed that he didn't want anyone to see the flop. He was also very close to folding, when I pushed he wasn't happy at all but, lives too close to italian border to be sensible. :(
2nd time in a row I went out with AK (first time was against 77 and I would prefer to go out against a PP again)
mchaggis
11-01-07, 07:58 AM
LOL
Are you for real
Ok, I'm a limit player and needed some more time to think about it but I'm really interested in preflop here cus seeing the flop with JJ and 2 callers just doesn't seem right. On the other hand there was KK who should have been even more agressive (if you played ok).
But then again, that's just my humble oppinion. Don't listen to the poor old limit player (ok, im not poor and old).
Fuckin Kunt Of A Game.
:rant: :rant: :rant: :shake:
I hate it too, but fold would be just wrong. He did go allin before with shit hands - stealing - and a raise of 2100 surely showed that he didn't want anyone to see the flop. He was also very close to folding, when I pushed he wasn't happy at all but, lives too close to italian border to be sensible. :(
2nd time in a row I went out with AK (first time was against 77 and I would prefer to go out against a PP again)
I am very careful how I play AK ... like all pretty things can get you in a lot of trouble easily
bazza76
12-01-07, 07:50 PM
have to get the limpers out with AK. Well atleast I do anyway.
Only hand i will slow play is rockets.
Got beaten on an all in the other day with them though, called anohter all in during a tournament, person went all in with 5 & 10 suited, i immediately called with the AA, and three fucking diamonds get turned over. what makes it worse is i have the ace of diamonds too lol. I stopped playing straight away cos me head was done in.
bazza76
12-01-07, 07:51 PM
anyone know of any freee poker software that i could try out for reading card games, player stats etc?
http://thepokerbay.org/browse.php?c7=1&incldead=0&search=
mchaggis
13-01-07, 09:32 AM
anyone know of any freee poker software that i could try out for reading card games, player stats etc?
You can make em become "free" :)
I was using poker office and quite liked it until PP updated their software and the problems started. I'll start using PokerTracker and PokerAce soon, just waiting to get a free license.
btw, if anyone is interested in free $150 at partypoker (no deposit, no credit card, only must not already have a real money account) send me a PM and i'll give u the link :source:
bazza76
13-01-07, 08:02 PM
You can make em become "free" :)
I was using poker office and quite liked it until PP updated their software and the problems started. I'll start using PokerTracker and PokerAce soon, just waiting to get a free license.
btw, if anyone is interested in free $150 at partypoker (no deposit, no credit card, only must not already have a real money account) send me a PM and i'll give u the link :source:
im already playing on two, but may give you a shout at a later date :handshake:
bad beats and crazy outs turning up are so regualr on online poker its unreal.
nothing like the real game.
calvoboy
14-01-07, 03:01 PM
bad beats and crazy outs turning up are so regualr on online poker its unreal.
nothing like the real game.
Bad beats turn up more on online poker simply because there are more shite players who are willing to keep calling instead of folding with a crap hand. It's why most of the books on low stakes online poker recommend being ultra-aggressive pre-flop to force these hands out.
bad beats and crazy outs turning up are so regualr on online poker its unreal.
nothing like the real game.
I agree although i have just joined the 'cryptologic' network and it seems to be a lot more fair than previous sites i've been on.
I'm playing on Interpoker and the bonuses are pretty good. Also, you can signup through an affiliate for rakeback that doesn't affect your bonus, so essentially you are getting double rakeback....
Doing this, you can nearly make a decent living by just breaking even at the poker tables!!
Cheers Gerry (who let me know about Rakeback in the first place)
just came from a rebuy torunament (live). Rebuy period was over, I had 5k chips (100/200 blinds) and in LP.
MP1 raises 2100 I go allin witk AK blinds fold. He had about 4k more (so if he lost 1k left.
He shows A6s and ofcourse gets a flush on the turn. I got a king on the flop.
AND HE WAS WEARING JUVENTUS SHIRT! Fuckin italians always get lucky (he's not italian, just a wanker, good enuff)
I'm not very happy.
Depends on your recent behaviour. He was betting £4K to win £7.5K. If he has you down as a chip stealer then he's right to take a stand (and got lucky)
mchaggis
15-01-07, 11:19 PM
Depends on your recent behaviour. He was betting £4K to win £7.5K. If he has you down as a chip stealer then he's right to take a stand (and got lucky)
The Juventus shirt was the problem, I got over that bad beat, but him supporting juve... thats just bad :shake:
bazza76
16-01-07, 01:31 PM
http://thepokerbay.org/browse.php?c7=1&incldead=0&search=
cheers for that Nicey. :handshake:
Does anyone know of any software that works with paddy power poker tables?
poker office doesnt seem to have paddy power as a supported site.
The Juventus shirt was the problem, I got over that bad beat, but him supporting juve... thats just bad :shake:
Fair point :haha:
Ever since I post the link to The Poker Bay in here their server has been fucked ... with traffic ..
Ease up lads
LOL, I doubt it's a handful of Est-ers clogging it up!
bazza76
17-01-07, 06:54 PM
Ever since I post the link to The Poker Bay in here their server has been fucked ... with traffic ..
Ease up lads
Yeah what shaggy says :handshake:
The first time i went on the server it was like that. Something came up several times saying too much traffic ro something like that.
I hate it too, but fold would be just wrong. He did go allin before with shit hands - stealing - and a raise of 2100 surely showed that he didn't want anyone to see the flop. He was also very close to folding, when I pushed he wasn't happy at all but, lives too close to italian border to be sensible. :(
2nd time in a row I went out with AK (first time was against 77 and I would prefer to go out against a PP again)
Over time, AK will be beaten by the under pair more often than not. I think it's 2-6% underdog depending on whether it's suited or not.
You should avoid going all in preflop if you can (unless shortstacked or calling). If you just raise it up to about four times the BB, they will fold anyway unless their hand was good enough. If they call, you can get away if you don't hit the flop. It stands to reason.
Over time, AK will be beaten by the under pair more often than not. I think it's 2-6% underdog depending on whether it's suited or not.
You should avoid going all in preflop if you can (unless shortstacked or calling). If you just raise it up to about four times the BB, they will fold anyway unless their hand was good enough. If they call, you can get away if you don't hit the flop. It stands to reason.
Great solid advice
So Who has Texas Holdem on the 360 .. we can set up a private game, I can invite you in, some Sat perhaps ? My tag is MrNiceHk
I know I twisted TheStig into getting it, I think Kenny has it, maybe 3 players and quicked than you can say I'll take all your Mofo Chips ... Game on !
mchaggis
18-01-07, 04:40 PM
Over time, AK will be beaten by the under pair more often than not. I think it's 2-6% underdog depending on whether it's suited or not.
7% under for unsuited, 2% under if suited and pocket pair has your suit, 50% if suited and no your suitn.
The 4time raise (its more like 3.5 cus it makes a weird ammount :)) is only usefull when you're first in the pot, otherwise you should raise more (+1BB for every limper) or 3 times the raise (+1x for every limper). You should push if the bet is more than 2/3 of your stack. BUT! Folding AK is not right cus youre not always up against a pp (like in my case when i was in front - about 66 against 33 - and on the flop I was still in front - a few percent - even when he got his flush draw). So my play was defo correct. But yes, they don't call it Ana Kurnikova for no reason :) looks good but never wins)
7% under for unsuited, 2% under if suited and pocket pair has your suit, 50% if suited and no your suitn.
The 4time raise (its more like 3.5 cus it makes a weird ammount :)) is only usefull when you're first in the pot, otherwise you should raise more (+1BB for every limper) or 3 times the raise (+1x for every limper). You should push if the bet is more than 2/3 of your stack. BUT! Folding AK is not right cus youre not always up against a pp (like in my case when i was in front - about 66 against 33 - and on the flop I was still in front - a few percent - even when he got his flush draw). So my play was defo correct. But yes, they don't call it Ana Kurnikova for no reason :) looks good but never wins)
Some valid points there but I mean , fold it if you don't hit and you're most likely behind as the opponent has gone all in...
of course he could be bluffing but use your inititive!
If he makes a small bet/raise him up three times and he'll fold if he's bluffing. (unless it's a semibluff or he's a complete clown - there ARE plenty, believe me!!)
Chiccada
19-01-07, 02:04 PM
7% under for unsuited, 2% under if suited and pocket pair has your suit, 50% if suited and no your suitn.
The 4time raise (its more like 3.5 cus it makes a weird ammount :)) is only usefull when you're first in the pot, otherwise you should raise more (+1BB for every limper) or 3 times the raise (+1x for every limper). You should push if the bet is more than 2/3 of your stack. BUT! Folding AK is not right cus youre not always up against a pp (like in my case when i was in front - about 66 against 33 - and on the flop I was still in front - a few percent - even when he got his flush draw). So my play was defo correct. But yes, they don't call it Ana Kurnikova for no reason :) looks good but never wins)
Hey!! Thats my line dammit!!!!!!!!! :rant:
TheStig
20-01-07, 09:16 PM
I've just had 3 14% bad beats against me on the river in 3 consecutive hands in heads up, went from overwhelming chip leader to loser. Absolutely unbelievable. My friends tells me the chances of that are 0.2% :rant: :rant: .
Hey folks a simpletons question I know but can you guys clarify the rules on Kickers ?
Am I right in think that the winning person is who ever can make the best 5 cards ..
Had a situ were I went out to trip Jacks I had a 2 of clubs ( I know I should not have been in the hand) and he had a 8 I think.
My question is does Kickers apply to all hands were possible
We both had trip jacks btw
TheStig
21-01-07, 12:57 PM
Hey folks a simpletons question I know but can you guys clarify the rules on Kickers ?
Am I right in think that the winning person is who ever can make the best 5 cards ..
Had a situ were I went out to trip Jacks I had a 2 of clubs ( I know I should not have been in the hand) and he had a 8 I think.
My question is does Kickers apply to all hands were possible
Yep.
If there were quads on the board for example then the highest fifth card wins (so a pocket Ace would beat a pocket King).
Unless there is a situation where say you each have a pair of aces but the board holds 3 other higher cards than both of your kickers. Then there will be a split pot.
Example:
player 1 :A8
Player 2: A7
Board: A K 9 J 10
Result = split pot
Or if both of you have a flush and there is a higher card of the suit on the board than what either of you hold, the one with the highest card in his hand will win.
Unless there is a situation where say you each have a pair of aces but the board holds 3 other higher cards than both of your kickers. Then there will be a split pot.
Example:
player 1 :A8
Player 2: A7
Board: A K 9 J 10
Result = split pot
Or if both of you have a flush and there is a higher card of the suit on the board than what either of you hold, the one with the highest card in his hand will win.
Thought as much ... I moved all in on him convinced I had him slammed down the jack and then I heard the dreaded word ... "and?"
To make matters worse he didn't play me, I played myself ... He was completely unaware of the deception of his bets
Here is another simpletons question ...
If you both have the same Kicker .. IE the boards kicker does it go to the next card as a kicker .. ie the one you have in your hand
Your hole card that you havn't paired is your kicker. In the case of one pair, it always goes down to the the one in your hand unless there are three higher cards on the board . (not including the card you've paired).
Does that change if it is trips,
He has J8 I have J2 the Board is J,10,5,4,J ?
Thanks for clearing this up for me I have always been a bit fuzzy on kickers
Does that change if it is trips,
He has J8 I have J2 the Board is J,10,5,4,J ?
Thanks for clearing this up for me I have always been a bit fuzzy on kickers
He wins.
You have J J J 10 5
He has J J J 10 8
In this case (and I have gone back to look at the play you may or may not have written, and I know hindsight is great), but with a 2 as your other card, and low kickers on the board (5, 4) a fold would have been correct, if the betting was large.
TheStig
21-01-07, 06:39 PM
Does that change if it is trips,
He has J8 I have J2 the Board is J,10,5,4,J ?
Thanks for clearing this up for me I have always been a bit fuzzy on kickers
In that case your best 5 card hand is JJJT5
His JJJT8 beats yours.
If there had been a 9 on the table though, both of your best hand's would have been JJJT9, so you would have split.
EDIT: Beaten to it!
Does that change if it is trips,
He has J8 I have J2 the Board is J,10,5,4,J ?
Thanks for clearing this up for me I have always been a bit fuzzy on kickers
Yes, in this case his 8 kicker came into play because there were two cards on the board lower than an 8.
His hand was therefore J J J 10 8 whereas yours was J J J 10 5
If the 5 or 4 on the board was exchanged for a card higher than his 8, it would have been a split pot...
TheStig
21-01-07, 06:42 PM
Here is another simpletons question ...
If you both have the same Kicker .. IE the boards kicker does it go to the next card as a kicker .. ie the one you have in your hand
Where the cards are (board or hand) doesn't matter in Texas Holdem, you play 2, 1 or none of the cards in your hand.
TheStig
21-01-07, 06:43 PM
Do you think he'll know how it works now:D ;) .
Just run that by me again ... :)
Cheers lads I kind of knew anyways just needed it confirmed.
It was just my fun low stakes home game ... But fuck me I hate losing and usually run rings around the people who play ...
I don't go for the jugular every time and loosen it up every now and then so other people can win, so they'll come back !!
Anyways cheers :rock:
Chiccada
22-01-07, 09:21 AM
Just run that by me again ... :)
Cheers lads I kind of knew anyways just needed it confirmed.
It was just my fun low stakes home game ... But fuck me I hate losing and usually run rings around the people who play ...
I don't go for the jugular every time and loosen it up every now and then so other people can win, so they'll come back !!
Anyways cheers :rock:
In a nut shell, you make the best 5 card hand out of the 7 cards available to you.
TheStig
22-01-07, 04:18 PM
Amazingly after talking about quads on the board, I just had just that!
The flop was all 3s, turn a Jack giving me a full house (I had JT), river a 3! The other player left had AQ and so beat me on his kicker.
Amazingly after talking about quads on the board, I just had just that!
The flop was all 3s, turn a Jack giving me a full house (I had JT), river a 3! The other player left had AQ and so beat me on his kicker.
UGGGGGHHHHH!!
mchaggis
23-01-07, 08:35 AM
Amazingly after talking about quads on the board, I just had just that!
The flop was all 3s, turn a Jack giving me a full house (I had JT), river a 3! The other player left had AQ and so beat me on his kicker.
How did u get to see the flop (and the turn?!) in the first place? :eyebrow:
TheStig
23-01-07, 01:15 PM
How did u get to see the flop (and the turn?!) in the first place? :eyebrow:
:confused: They were dealt out in front of me on the table (well actually it was online)?
My JT was not suited but I was in small blind and there were no pre flop raises so worth a call of the big blind.
:confused: They were dealt out in front of me on the table (well actually it was online)?
My JT was not suited but I was in small blind and there were no pre flop raises so worth a call of the big blind.
I believe he's criticising the AQ guy who should have tanked them in on the flop, forcing you to fold.
He's disguised his hand pre-flop by not raising (although I'm surprised he didn't raise), but either way poor play by him - which then got lucky.
TheStig
23-01-07, 01:30 PM
I believe he's criticising the AQ guy who should have tanked them in on the flop, forcing you to fold.
He's disguised his hand pre-flop by not raising (although I'm surprised he didn't raise), but either way poor play by him - which then got lucky.
Thought he might be saying that. There are alot of poor players on the net (me included probably) so not too surprising.
JohnnyLambert
23-01-07, 02:40 PM
Anyone got a paddypower poker account? If so PM me and i'll add you to the buddy list 4 a few heads up games or tourneys!!
mchaggis
23-01-07, 05:35 PM
:confused: They were dealt out in front of me on the table (well actually it was online)?
My JT was not suited but I was in small blind and there were no pre flop raises so worth a call of the big blind.
Yup, like said before, he should've made u fold. Slowplaying AQ is just dumb.
calvoboy
02-02-07, 04:14 PM
Not a bad beat as such - more a "what are the chances of that happening"
I was getting short-stacked in a loose $1 online tournament. Finally got a decent hand, AK, and raised before the flop, I was re-raised all-in and I called.
He turned over AA (I think "I'm dead")
The flop came KK2 (I think "wow, what are the chances of that? bad beat for him")
turn 2 ("feeling confident")
river.........the other Ace! ("shit")
What are the chances of that? All four aces, three kings and a pair of twos.
bazza76
02-02-07, 04:35 PM
High stakes poker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeRwWIdQBM)
TheStig
02-02-07, 06:11 PM
High stakes poker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeRwWIdQBM)
:jaw:
High stakes poker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojeRwWIdQBM)
I saw that. Fabulous play by both of them - exactly how it should be played.
I saw that. Fabulous play by both of them - exactly how it should be played.
Yeah sure Sammy :haha:
bazza76
05-02-07, 10:59 AM
I saw that. Fabulous play by both of them - exactly how it should be played.
:handshake:
Yeah, well given Gus Hansens record of loose play, its almost impossible to fold a house of 6s against him.
The hand pretty much played itself.
:handshake:
Yeah, well given Gus Hansens record of loose play, its almost impossible to fold a house of 6s against him.
The hand pretty much played itself.
Hmmm, I don't know.
Given that he predicted the hand '99s, 55s, or 88s' (which all beat him), and the bet was the biggest in the show's history, I'm surprised he couldn't fold it.
bazza76
05-02-07, 12:46 PM
Hmmm, I don't know.
Given that he predicted the hand '99s, 55s, or 88s' (which all beat him), and the bet was the biggest in the show's history, I'm surprised he couldn't fold it.
There was a straight written all over it aswell, and as i mentioned, Guss is becoming a legend in loose play department. there was already a fair ammount in the pot too. Getting bluffed off a pot, say if Daniel did fold, and Guss had nothing, would hurt way more than actually loosing and calling. psychologically anyway. Even Phil Ivey would have made that call IMO.
There was a straight written all over it aswell, and as i mentioned, Guss is becoming a legend in loose play department. there was already a fair ammount in the pot too. Getting bluffed off a pot, say if Daniel did fold, and Guss had nothing, would hurt way more than actually loosing and calling. psychologically anyway. Even Phil Ivey would have made that call IMO.
I don't know, if you analyse the play (i.e. the bets on each street) Gus had to have a massive hand :handshake:
Straight - don't think so.
The 'bluffing on TV' could be true, but a pro should be able to get over it.
bazza76
05-02-07, 01:53 PM
I don't know, if you analyse the play (i.e. the bets on each street) Gus had to have a massive hand :handshake:
Straight - don't think so.
The 'bluffing on TV' could be true, but a pro should be able to get over it.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Both players checked if my memory serves me correctly.
Gus was always going to bet after the flop and Daniel was right to just call with the trips.
It was hard to really put Gus on a hand until he went all in at the end. It would be no supprise if Gus had been playing with suited connectors or something like that, ive seen him going all in with 7 & 2 unsuited.
It was obvious he had a hand after the all in though with Daniel putting so much into the pot.
Hindsight is a wonderfull thing though.
IMO there is no way Daniel could have known what Gus had until he went all in, just my opinion, but thats what i gathered, and what Daniel also gathered.
Did you see the supprise on Daniels face when Gus said all in? that said it all.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
Both players checked if my memory serves me correctly.
Gus was always going to bet after the flop and Daniel was right to just call with the trips.
It was hard to really put Gus on a hand until he went all in at the end. It would be no supprise if Gus had been playing with suited connectors or something like that, ive seen him going all in with 7 & 2 unsuited.
It was obvious he had a hand after the all in though with Daniel putting so much into the pot.
Hindsight is a wonderfull thing though.
IMO there is no way Daniel could have known what Gus had until he went all in, just my opinion, but thats what i gathered, and what Daniel also gathered.
Did you see the supprise on Daniels face when Gus said all in? that said it all.
That's only one part of the analysis.
It's a bit more complicated IMO.
Dan has just bet out essentially a value bet on the river, so for Gus to go all-in he has to be certain he's won the hand. He'd have simply called with a hand other than the nuts or near nuts
I agree that Dan was initially surprised, he thought he'd probably only be called by straight/lower full house, or trip 5s (every other hand folds) but when he sat down to think about it :
He'd know that Gus knew roughly what Dan had, hence making the all-in the perfect bet. If Gus didn't think Dan had a full house he'd have made a smaller raise.
The total bluff or a straight is a non-starter given the betting patterns. Not in a pot that size.
It's all there in Dan's words - he'd only make that move with 99,88 or 55 - hence I'm amazed he didn't fold.
Anyway, whatever you think of Dan's call, it was a brilliant hand. :handshake:
bazza76
05-02-07, 02:48 PM
Anyway, whatever you think of Dan's call, it was a brilliant hand. :handshake:
:handshake:
Hmmm, I don't know.
Given that he predicted the hand '99s, 55s, or 88s' (which all beat him), and the bet was the biggest in the show's history, I'm surprised he couldn't fold it.
Was a big pot mate. I reckon he was 50/50 and decided he would be more gutted if he folded the best hand rather than calling and losing, when he saw it on the T.V later.
The str8 on the table was the deciding factor. Negreanu, before Gus went all in, was probably thinking he had the str8 draw and was wanting him to hit it. When Gus went allin though, I think he felt he was gone but ccouldn't put it down.
A guy on a poker site was at Negreanu's table at the WSOP. Negreanu made a similar call (this time on the flop), having sussed out what was going on, but then hit a 2-outer to win
I suspect it's a bizarre case of 'wanting to prove you were right' coupled with this bizarre theory that everyone is bluffing him.
I like Negreanu a lot, but he makes some strange plays at times. Not many people can put an opponent on a hand as well as he can, yet he still makes the call!
You're probably right about the str8 draw - they were trapping each other :haha:
bazza76
05-02-07, 04:11 PM
You're probably right about the str8 draw - they were trapping each other :haha:
Thats the point I was making :crackoff: :haha:
Daniel only realised his trap wasn't a trap anymore when he was re-raised all in. Pride got the better of him in the end.
I guess it's all down to experience, there would not have been many situations, even for a player with Daniels experience where he would be faced with that kind of a hand.
Thats the point I was making :crackoff: :haha:
Daniel only realised his trap wasn't a trap anymore when he was re-raised all in. Pride got the better of him in the end.
I guess it's all down to experience, there would not have been many situations, even for a player with Daniels experience where he would be faced with that kind of a hand.
I realise that :crackoff:
My point was that the logic doesn't end there. :handshake:
:o
Getting closer to the $12 rebuy (I never rebuy - if I'm out, I'm out) win. This time, a field of 307, and about the 7th of these I've entered, finished 9th and won $205. 1st prize was $2,244.00
There were 10 left and one more place was worth an extra $70 odd and I got dealt fucking AK with 2 massive stacks behind me. Blinds were 8000/16000 and of course, one away from the final table, I was playing my cards so I raised it up to 42,000. As I predicted, big stack no.1 came right over the top of me and usually I'd call like a shot but I got an overwhelming feeling of AA. Thought about it for a while and mainly because of the feeling but also the jump in prize money from 10th - 9th, I folded. He showed me his bullets - Best.Fold.Ever.
Final table and I got BB as soon as I sat down which happened on the 2 previous tables I was moved to aswell, right after I posted it on the table previous (disgrace). Folded my rubbish to a raise and was left with only 42,000 chips. I felt short stacked because I was on 110,000 chips 2 mins earlier, but i was actually ahead of 2-3 other players. Now I made the mistake (the fucking usual mistake that comes every tourney from me). I was in middle to late position with JQ off and said, "fuck it, now or never" and went allin and got called by MR. AA, this time holding pocket 7's. I was quite pleased with that but alas, no J or Q came and I was out on my ear. In hindsight, I would have waited, since the blinds were a few positions away yet.
Getting closer to the $12 rebuy (I never rebuy - if I'm out, I'm out) win. This time, a field of 307, and about the 7th of these I've entered, finished 9th and won $205. 1st prize was $2,244.00
There were 10 left and one more place was worth an extra $70 odd and I got dealt fucking AK with 2 massive stacks behind me. Blinds were 8000/16000 and of course, one away from the final table, I was playing my cards so I raised it up to 42,000. As I predicted, big stack no.1 came right over the top of me and usually I'd call like a shot but I got an overwhelming feeling of AA. Thought about it for a while and mainly because of the feeling but also the jump in prize money from 10th - 9th, I folded. He showed me his bullets - Best.Fold.Ever.
Final table and I got BB as soon as I sat down which happened on the 2 previous tables I was moved to aswell, right after I posted it on the table previous (disgrace). Folded my rubbish to a raise and was left with only 42,000 chips. I felt short stacked because I was on 110,000 chips 2 mins earlier, but i was actually ahead of 2-3 other players. Now I made the mistake (the fucking usual mistake that comes every tourney from me). I was in middle to late position with JQ off and said, "fuck it, now or never" and went allin and got called by MR. AA, this time holding pocket 7's. I was quite pleased with that but alas, no J or Q came and I was out on my ear. In hindsight, I would have waited, since the blinds were a few positions away yet.
Unlucky mate, but well played :handshake:
re. your last hand. I think you have to make that move. Win that hand and you're back in the hunt for first. Fold it and you're only ever playing for 7th-9th.
I'm sure if you calculated the expected win, it would tell you to go all-in every time :handshake:
Unlucky mate, but well played :handshake:
re. your last hand. I think you have to make that move. Win that hand and you're back in the hunt for first. Fold it and you're only ever playing for 7th-9th.
I'm sure if you calculated the expected win, it would tell you to go all-in every time :handshake:
That's what I was thinking mate and as I said, I was actually happy when I saw what I was up against (pocket 7's). Wasn't to be this time but there is no guarantee that i would have gotten anything better before the blinds came around.
bazza76
09-02-07, 01:33 PM
That's what I was thinking mate and as I said, I was actually happy when I saw what I was up against (pocket 7's). Wasn't to be this time but there is no guarantee that i would have gotten anything better before the blinds came around.
What were the blinds at this stage Nic?
I think its acceptable that the best time to bluff is probably after the flop. I take it Mr AA was playing to your left and hadnt bet yet?. He most likiely would have raised anyway with pocket pair.
I hate them borderline decisions late in ompetitions, am sick of sinishing right on the bubble :rant: . I have a good record in them actually, havnt entered too many(internet tourneys), prob about 10 or so, got to the last table in about 4 of them, finished on the bubble in about 3 and dumped out early in the remainder.
Just dont have time for tournaments :( .
Let me know when your playing PP some time I may play a toruney with you :handshake:
Blinds were 8k/16K
His stack was £42K.
At that stage it's all-in, or fold. :handshake:
bazza76
09-02-07, 06:36 PM
Blinds were 8k/16K
His stack was £42K.
At that stage it's all-in, or fold. :handshake:
:handshake:
Thats fair enough, not sure what i would have done, I guess it depends on the mood and how many were still playing. if there was say 9 seats and i'm under the gun, I would be folding.
What were the blinds at this stage Nic?
I think its acceptable that the best time to bluff is probably after the flop. I take it Mr AA was playing to your left and hadnt bet yet?. He most likiely would have raised anyway with pocket pair.
I hate them borderline decisions late in ompetitions, am sick of sinishing right on the bubble :rant: . I have a good record in them actually, havnt entered too many(internet tourneys), prob about 10 or so, got to the last table in about 4 of them, finished on the bubble in about 3 and dumped out early in the remainder.
Just dont have time for tournaments :( .
Let me know when your playing PP some time I may play a toruney with you :handshake:
Yup he was to the left. It was a bit of a rash decision but as The blinds were 8/16,000 and were only 3 away and I was still feeling it a bit from the previous hand, I said "what the hell" and went for it!
Yup will do on PP. over on 6cm, there is a tourney being organised. $20 and we'll have about 15. Maybe we could do the same on here?
bazza76
12-02-07, 01:22 PM
Yup he was to the left. It was a bit of a rash decision but as The blinds were 8/16,000 and were only 3 away and I was still feeling it a bit from the previous hand, I said "what the hell" and went for it!
Yup will do on PP. over on 6cm, there is a tourney being organised. $20 and we'll have about 15. Maybe we could do the same on here?
yep sounds good mate.
If only we could get it organised lol.
Ok
anyone interested post there names in here and we make a list
bazza76
12-02-07, 01:28 PM
while its fresh in my head. check this for a hand out, not that ill forget in a hurry.
Was playing last night on PP. I was dealt AK unsuited. on a six seat straight cash game.
I raised pre flop two seats after the big blind with the other hands just flat calling the blind before me.
Seat that is last before small blind re-raises me. So everyone else folds and I call.
flop comes over.
K, 10, 7.
Ok, me thinking I was still in control with big slick, raises again, only to be re-raised all in.
By this stage about half of my money was in the pot, so really, there is not much that i can do, except call, I could fold, but suspect all that he can have is pocket ks, 10s or 7s. No way he would re-raise with anything else and go all in. unless he had rockets.
Anyway, I call, not sure if I was right, but felt pot committed enough to call. just incase he had KQ or something.
we turn our hands over, he is holding kk, against my AK, so he has trips, I am being totally dominated.
Only for the turn and river to throw over AA :haha: he was basolutely gutted :rock: had a fair bit of sympathy for him, well ok i didnt, but it's not all the time i get a turn and a river like that lol. I think I could propabably play the rest of my life and never get a turn and river like that again.
:handshake:
Thats fair enough, not sure what i would have done, I guess it depends on the mood and how many were still playing. if there was say 9 seats and i'm under the gun, I would be folding.
Of course, what statistically is the right answer and what a generally risk-adverse person would do are completely different questions.
Say there was a £100 jump up for coming a place higher, then it's quite tempting to go for it (i.e. fold your way to 7th or 8th), even if it was the 'wrong' decision.
Sometimes it can even be the right strategy.
If there are 6 people left, and 5 places get a WSOP package, then I'd fold AA to an all-in from a bigger stack. Even with AA you have a 15%-30% chance of losing, which is presumably higher odds than if you just folded. :handshake:
while its fresh in my head. check this for a hand out, not that ill forget in a hurry.
Was playing last night on PP. I was dealt AK unsuited. on a six seat straight cash game.
I raised pre flop two seats after the big blind with the other hands just flat calling the blind before me.
Seat that is last before small blind re-raises me. So everyone else folds and I call.
flop comes over.
K, 10, 7.
Ok, me thinking I was still in control with big slick, raises again, only to be re-raised all in.
By this stage about half of my money was in the pot, so really, there is not much that i can do, except call, I could fold, but suspect all that he can have is pocket ks, 10s or 7s. No way he would re-raise with anything else and go all in. unless he had rockets.
Anyway, I call, not sure if I was right, but felt pot committed enough to call. just incase he had KQ or something.
we turn our hands over, he is holding kk, against my AK, so he has trips, I am being totally dominated.
Only for the turn and river to throw over AA :haha: he was basolutely gutted :rock: had a fair bit of sympathy for him, well ok i didnt, but it's not all the time i get a turn and a river like that lol. I think I could propabably play the rest of my life and never get a turn and river like that again.
Ouch, you were a 2% shot at that stage :haha:
I hit the case 5 in a 'set of 5s' vs 'set of 10s' clash recently. That didn't go down too well :haha:
bazza76
12-02-07, 02:29 PM
Ouch, you were a 2% shot at that stage :haha:
I hit the case 5 in a 'set of 5s' vs 'set of 10s' clash recently. That didn't go down too well :haha:
Just out of interest disco.
how did you get the 2% odds. Have you got a poker calculator?. I know I needed aa or jQ to beat him. is it i was something like 11 outs for my first card which had to be one of a,j,q and with 5 gone from the 52 leaving me with 47 cards to draw from. so that was a 4.2 shot at hitting my first, then to hit the second, i have varying odds depending what i hit.
It was a poker calculator - but here's the maff :
The odds on you hitting runner runner full house were (3/45 * 2/44) = 0.3% (!)
The odds on hitting runner runner straight were (8/45 * 4/44) = 1.5%
So 1.8% :handshake: :haha:
Chiccada
12-02-07, 02:49 PM
Card player magazine has a very good odds calculator.
http://www.cardplayer.com/tools_tips
Plus there are other sites where you can find quick ways of attaining outs.
I go by a rough formula. For me to hit 1 card i need improve my hand on the turn, i take the number of outs then multiply by 4. To hit on the river, I multiply by 2 then add 2.
Fave poker site = www.poker1.com
bazza76
12-02-07, 03:35 PM
Card player magazine has a very good odds calculator.
http://www.cardplayer.com/tools_tips
Plus there are other sites where you can find quick ways of attaining outs.
I go by a rough formula. For me to hit 1 card i need improve my hand on the turn, i take the number of outs then multiply by 4. To hit on the river, I multiply by 2 then add 2.
Fave poker site = www.poker1.com
Thats what i use in my head, but as you can see, the odds for calculating runner runner are never going to be worth going for, so no point in me trying to calculate that during play.
thanks for the links mate, ill give them a look later :handshake:
bazza76
12-02-07, 03:36 PM
It was a poker calculator - but here's the maff :
The odds on you hitting runner runner full house were (3/45 * 2/44) = 0.3% (!)
The odds on hitting runner runner straight were (8/45 * 4/44) = 1.5%
So 1.8% :handshake: :haha:
:haha: :rock:
Thats what i use in my head, but as you can see, the odds for calculating runner runner are never going to be worth going for, so no point in me trying to calculate that during play.
thanks for the links mate, ill give them a look later :handshake:
Indeed, the rule of thumb (which slightly over-estimates the odds) kind of allows for split-pots/runner runners. :handshake:
bazza76
12-02-07, 08:35 PM
Indeed, the rule of thumb (which slightly over-estimates the odds) kind of allows for split-pots/runner runners. :handshake:
you are soooo pedantic lol.
Only way il stay in looking for runner runner is if I have two overcards, and dont feel like there is anything threathening out there, or possibly a flush & straight chance with a pair in my hand lol.
On a serious note, I have cought them before, but usually unless the betting is weak, wouldnt be chasing for obvious reasons.
mchaggis
12-02-07, 11:22 PM
Are you guys all playing at Paddypower? (PP usually stands for PartyPoker so just checking :))
Would you be willing to play if I manage to get some freerolls up and we can maybe try to play against some other lfc sites or something? Can't promisse anything but maybe it could get through :) ž
I can set up $5 tourney (any type) at any time tho...
TheStig
13-02-07, 12:15 AM
Are you guys all playing at Paddypower? (PP usually stands for PartyPoker so just checking :))
Would you be willing to play if I manage to get some freerolls up and we can maybe try to play against some other lfc sites or something? Can't promisse anything but maybe it could get through :) ž
I can set up $5 tourney (any type) at any time tho...
Would probably be interested yeah....
bazza76
13-02-07, 12:55 AM
Would probably be interested yeah....
id be interested too
you are soooo pedantic lol.
Only way il stay in looking for runner runner is if I have two overcards, and dont feel like there is anything threathening out there, or possibly a flush & straight chance with a pair in my hand lol.
On a serious note, I have cought them before, but usually unless the betting is weak, wouldnt be chasing for obvious reasons.
I think you misunderstood what I meant :haha:
:handshake:
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