Question about Alves/Assists

[Ataturk]

is it true that he provided the most assists in La Liga last season?

[Red_Polo]

I heard this too. I've seen no evidence of it thouhg, I think it's a myth - it was Beckham according to a few articles you could probably find if you googled 'la liga number of assists Beckham'.

[JRG]

I heard this too. I've seen no evidence of it thouhg, I think it's a myth - it was Beckham according to a few articles you could probably find if you googled 'la liga number of assists Beckham'.

Isn't this largely irrelevant now as it appears that Rafa isn't going for Alves due to the price Seville are demanding?

Apologies of this has appeared elsewhere

[Ataturk]

as you say 'it appears that Rafa isn't going for Alves due to the price Seville are demanding'

Alves is Rafa's top target for the right hand side, i wouldn't say his chances of becoming a red are totally dead in the water just yet.

[univofchicago]

Alves is Rafa's top target for the right hand side, i wouldn't say his chances of becoming a red are totally dead in the water just yet.

Hope you're right...

I think it is vital that we get this deal sorted out...

[nigecardiff]

I still reckon we'll get alves and pennant, as well as a striker

alves will also be useful as a right back if finnan needs resting

[Shanks65]

I still reckon we'll get alves and pennant, as well as a striker

alves will also be useful as a right back if finnan needs resting

That's my take on it too. I can see us getting both Alves and Pennant, with a striker too :jizz:

[G_Man]

That's my take on it too. I can see us getting both Alves and Pennant, with a striker too :jizz:

Maybe Pennant, Alves, Koiyt IN and Kromkamp and Dudek OUT? :)

[DeeGame]

I heard this too. I've seen no evidence of it thouhg, I think it's a myth - it was Beckham according to a few articles you could probably find if you googled 'la liga number of assists Beckham'.

Backing The Best Midfielder In La Liga
Monday May 22 2006
By Tim Stannard


Somewhere in Spain, three glum Real Madrid fans were in a bar, nursing beers and picking at the remains of another dog's dinner of a season. "Who would you get rid of?" asks one. "Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, Gravesen, Guti, Helguera, Cassano..." replies his friend, while the others nod in agreement, "...and Beckham." This final name is met with incredulity. "Are you mad?" exclaim the others. "We'd be totally stuffed without him!" They're not wrong.

Although it has not been widely reported in the English press, David Beckham - alongside Iker Casillas and Sergio Ramos - has been one of the few shining lights in a particularly bleak season for the Galacticos. That very inconvenient truth that has been lost on the overwhelming majority of our football writers, who like nothing more than putting the boot into the England captain at any given opportunity.

In general, the ongoing debate over the footballing merits of Becks always seems to resemble the "what have the Romans ever done for us?" scene from Monty Python's Life Of Brian. Aside from scoring, taking free kicks, defending, inch perfect passing and serving up the most lethal crosses in the world, what does Beckham contribute to a game? Quite a lot actually, as proved by the cold hard fact that he was the most influential midfielder in the Spanish league this season. Officially.

With this year's Spanish campaign now over, our David has managed the remarkable achievement of topping La Liga's charts for most number of assists - judged in Spain by passes contributing to a goal scoring opportunity - where he beat his nearest challenger by a margin of fifteen. This is a fairly impressive achievement considering the competition from the likes of Ronaldinho - and also the fact that he missed nearly a quarter of the season through injury or suspension.

Although the midfielder's goal scoring record was a disappointing six in all competitions, nearly twenty-five percent of Real Madrid's goals this season directly stem from the involvement, in one form or another, of Beckham.

Instead of heralding such a feat - which is all the more laudable considering he has been playing in a lousy side for much of the season - Beckham's detractors have instead focused on the low points of his year, notably the two Champions League ties with Arsenal and the encounter with Barcelona in the Nou Camp - probably the only games featuring Becks that most hacks have bothered to watch, this season.

If you were to rate his form on these three encounters, then you would be quite right to be scathing of the midfielder's performances. In Real's away leg at Highbury, he was a peripheral figure - something mirrored in the classico in Barcelona.

However, the England captain was less than fully fit for both matches, and only played in them after failing to inform his manager, Juan Ramon Lopez Caro, of his injuries - a misjudgement that forced the furious coach to drop him for two successive games as punishment.

Instead of focusing on these lacklustre outings, Beckham should instead be judged on how he has performed for the rest of the season. With most of his sulking team-mates having long since given up on this year's campaign, Beckham has consistently displayed his best qualities on the football field for his club - passion, energy and desire.

Over recent weeks, the England captain has helped drag Real Madrid to second place with outstanding performances against both Villarreal and Sevilla - two matches where he either scored or set up four of Real's six goals. However, throughout the whole season, Beckham has been merrily whipping in crosses and launching passes that have consistently tormented opposition defences and 'keepers.

With the chaos that has gone on around him at Real Madrid, with presidents and managers passing through the Bernabeu revolving door with alarming regularity, Becks has often been the only figure holding the team together. It is this spirit that prompted La Liga legend Hristo Stoichkov to declare that the England captain was "without doubt, the best foreign player at Real Madrid" and his mathematically challenged manager, Lopez Caro, to award his midfielder twelve marks out of ten for his season's performance.

Whilst the Spanish football press have endlessly speculated on who will be leaving Real Madrid over the summer, as they start the painful process of rebuilding, not one writer has suggested that Beckham should be one of the candidates to depart. Instead, all have been happy to heap praise on the Englishman - "he has given us the wondrous gift of his right foot, as well as his passion, sacrifice and fighting spirit," enthused Ignacio Ruiz in AS.

Unlike their counterparts in Spain, it appears that most English football writers and supporters are unwilling or unable to separate Beckham the superstar from Beckham the footballer and focus on his positive traits. Strip away the showbiz parties, funny voice and tantrums and England have, in their possession, a player recently described by Arsene Wenger as "one of the best passers in the world."

Instead of debating endlessly his value to the team and the matter of his captaincy, England fans should move on and unite behind a footballer whose undeniable talents and enormous experience will be badly needed if their side are to have any kind of success in Germany this summer.



From football365 (http://www.football365.com/opinion/f365_opinion/story_185807.shtml)

*mods feel free to take link out if its not allowed

[LFCman]

This isn't KT mate. :p

[dww]

I have to say I agree with the general assessment of Beckham and the ludicrous attitude to him in the British press. However two things stick out:

1/ Eriksson failed to get the best out of Beckham at the world cup.

2/ His descision to play while injured in two big matches (and possibly more importantly not telling his manager) shows that he remains more passionate than he is intelligent.

[Red_Polo]

Isn't this largely irrelevant now as it appears that Rafa isn't going for Alves due to the price Seville are demanding?

Apologies of this has appeared elsewhere

Even if we don't get him this summer, I think we'll be back for him this time next year.

[DeeGame]

This isn't KT mate. :p

:D

[El Jefecito]

is it true that he provided the most assists in La Liga last season?
I heard this too and researched it on soccernet. It doesn't make encouraging reading. 3 goals 0 assists :eyebrow:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=30901&cc=5901

[Red_Polo]

I heard this too and researched it on soccernet. It doesn't make encouraging reading. 3 goals 0 assists :eyebrow:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/players/stats?id=30901&cc=5901

They have a different idea of what constitues an assist in Spain. Over here players get awarded very few assists, wrongly so IMO. SG for instance had 5 in the league last season.

[dww]

The Spanish system of awarding one for providing the "pass that leads to a chance" is obviously less well defined and more subjective than the English "if you were the last attacking player to play a deliberate pass which led to a goal" way of defining an assist but I think over a season you are right that the Spanish statistic is probably a better guide. Maybe both are useful and need to have different names. I would be interested to see what numbers Paco uses to analyse games.

[El Jefecito]

They have a different idea of what constitues an assist in Spain. Over here players get awarded very few assists, wrongly so IMO. SG for instance had 5 in the league last season.
I'll get shot for this. I like the 'Key Pass' statistic from Football manager. I think that is a far more relevant statistic that whoever touched the ball last.

[dww]

I think you are right. Ultimately as with all statistics you need to use the correct measure or combination of measures before u can make any judgement.