Traore to Charlton [Archive]

MrMichael

26-07-06, 06:39 PM

Peter_Griffin

26-07-06, 06:43 PM

I hope he does well wherever he goes, especially if its a loan deal ;)

Nice.

SouthAfricaRed

26-07-06, 06:57 PM

He gave him a new one 2 years ago I think. Wouldn't be suprised if the CL final made up Rafa's mind actually, although I will always remember him fondly as a member of that team and for clearing off the line, he looked way out of his depth the whole night.From that point on he was used an awul lot less last season.

I hope he does well wherever he goes, especially if its a loan deal ;)

He signed one after Istanbul. It's set to end in 2009. I guess with us signing Agger, Paletta and Aurelio, Djimi wont have much chance of playing. The same goes for Warnock, but I guess his operation has prevented us from selling him now.

Anyway, All the Best to Djimi, He might not be the Most skilfull player Liverpool has had, but he never lacked Commitment. He has something that will always remind him of Liverpool. A CL Medal. :)

El Jefecito

26-07-06, 07:01 PM

I thought Rafa rated Djimi - didn't he give him a new contract?

Or did the Burnley pirouette just have that much of an impact???
That was mostly done to protect his transfer value. He could have walked otherwise. At least we had backup and a chance to recoup something for him.

Cisseshairdresser

26-07-06, 07:30 PM

He signed one after Istanbul. It's set to end in 2009. I guess with us signing Agger, Paletta and Aurelio, Djimi wont have much chance of playing. The same goes for Warnock, but I guess his operation has prevented us from selling him now.

Anyway, All the Best to Djimi, He might not be the Most skilfull player Liverpool has had, but he never lacked Commitment. He has something that will always remind him of Liverpool. A CL Medal. :)

Firstly, thnk people are being a little harsh on Champions League winner Djimi Traore;) :D

Secondly, Ste wouldnt be interested in a move away fom the club at the moment anyway. He's fully committed to the club as he has always been. He's settled and his wife has just given birth to their first child.

That is all:D

Peter_Griffin

26-07-06, 07:37 PM

Firstly, thnk people are being a little harsh on Champions League winner Djimi Traore;) :D

Secondly, Ste wouldnt be interested in a move away fom the club at the moment anyway. He's fully committed to the club as he has always been. He's settled and his wife has just given birth to their first child.

That is all:D

Inside info eh Tone!!;)

Cisseshairdresser

26-07-06, 09:46 PM

Inside info eh Tone!!;)

Yeah!:D

Thats about as "inside" as my information ever gets mate!:D

univofchicago

26-07-06, 09:59 PM

That was mostly done to protect his transfer value.

Well, that depends on what his wages are. Anyone know?

Rohan

26-07-06, 10:35 PM

Well, that depends on what his wages are. Anyone know?

Rumour I heard was that he was on a very low wage, like 8k a week.

R

univofchicago

26-07-06, 10:38 PM

Rumour I heard was that he was on a very low wage, like 8k a week.

R

For reals???

Um....

If that is the case, then maybe it was indeed a case of Rafa protecting Traore's transfer value...probably explains it then, I've always had a hard time comprehending Rafa's decision to offer Traore a four-year contract...

Rohan

26-07-06, 10:57 PM

For reals???

Um....

If that is the case, then maybe it was indeed a case of Rafa protecting Traore's transfer value...probably explains it then, I've always had a hard time comprehending Rafa's decision to offer Traore a four-year contract...

Think he got quite a big bump when he signed the new deal. Still, the previous rumour could have been utter bollocks :)

R

El Jefecito

27-07-06, 02:18 AM

univofchicago

27-07-06, 09:59 AM

Think he got quite a big bump when he signed the new deal.

R

Ok, thought so.

Then I'll have to question Rafa's decision to award Traore a 4 year contract again...

Unlike Houllier, Evans and Souness, Rafa has been the ONE manager that has convinced me, in general, with his tactics and signings. Just this one strange decision has left me somewhat puzzled...

Anyways, hope the move materializes and wins himself a permanent deal with Charlton...

Cisseshairdresser

27-07-06, 03:46 PM

That was his second kid. Doh!

Trust me mate it was his first kid with his now wife, he's a mate. Unless he has an illegitimate first secret kid who no-one knows about, it was his first!:handshake:

LFCman

27-07-06, 03:49 PM

Good old Djimi. He always tried and lets not forget he was part of our European triumph. He did have some solid days for us but just isn't good enough to cut it regularly.

brendan

27-07-06, 03:54 PM

Unlike Houllier, Evans and Souness, Rafa has been the ONE manager that has convinced me, in general, with his tactics and signings. Just this one strange decision has left me somewhat puzzled...

So you weren't at all puzzled by Pellegrino, Nunez, Josemi or his insistence that Morientes could play in the Premiership?

Right.

El Jefecito

27-07-06, 04:07 PM

Trust me mate it was his first kid with his now wife, he's a mate. Unless he has an illegitimate first secret kid who no-one knows about, it was his first!:handshake:
Double Doh!! :handshake:

dww

27-07-06, 04:16 PM

So you weren't at all puzzled by Pellegrino, Nunez, Josemi or his insistence that Morientes could play in the Premiership?

Right.
Anyone who was puzzled by the first three probably doesn't think very hard. Pellegrino taught our defense to zonal mark which helped everyone, he wasn't great in games but his presence allowed us to progress as a team over the season. Nunez was a makeweight in the Owen deal and played very few games but did an OK job holding up the ball on occasion, we sold him for a decent amount of money. Josemi came cheap and initially looked ideally suited, turned out he wasn't shipped out. I don't see what is puzzling in any of this. Rafa tried things which seemed sensible if they didn't work he got rid.

Morientes was a bit odd, but then no one else in the squad was doing anything either. He kept showing the odd flash of skill which made me think he was going to turn the corner, but never did.

Shanks65

27-07-06, 04:20 PM

Anyone who was puzzled by the first three probably doesn't think very hard. Pellegrino taught our defense to zonal mark which helped everyone, he wasn't great in games but his presence allowed us to progress as a team over the season. Nunez was a makeweight in the Owen deal and played very few games but did an OK job holding up the ball on occasion, we sold him for a decent amount of money. Josemi came cheap and initially looked ideally suited, turned out he wasn't shipped out. I don't see what is puzzling in any of this. Rafa tried things which seemed sensible if they didn't work he got rid.

Morientes was a bit odd, but then no one else in the squad was doing anything either. He kept showing the odd flash of skill which made me think he was going to turn the corner, but never did.

On Pellegrino - he also allowed Sami to have a few games where he could rest. He was then ready for those vital CL matches. It all worked out great in the end!

univofchicago

27-07-06, 05:19 PM

Anyone who was puzzled by the first three probably doesn't think very hard. Pellegrino taught our defense to zonal mark which helped everyone, he wasn't great in games but his presence allowed us to progress as a team over the season. Nunez was a makeweight in the Owen deal and played very few games but did an OK job holding up the ball on occasion, we sold him for a decent amount of money. Josemi came cheap and initially looked ideally suited, turned out he wasn't shipped out. I don't see what is puzzling in any of this. Rafa tried things which seemed sensible if they didn't work he got rid.

Morientes was a bit odd, but then no one else in the squad was doing anything either. He kept showing the odd flash of skill which made me think he was going to turn the corner, but never did.

I've put Brendan on my ignore list. Can't stand that prick anymore...I am tempted to argue my case, but we've been through this before at the old Koptalk.

Man, can't believe we let the prick in...

brendan

27-07-06, 05:29 PM

I've put Brendan on my ignore list. Can't stand that prick anymore...I am tempted to argue my case, but we've been through this before at the old Koptalk.

Man, can't believe we let the prick in...

"Man"

Fucking hell, you're a prissy bore on every single site you go on, clearly.

And I don't particularly remember you on KT.
I assume you were in my "fanclub" and went around crying and calling me "prick" there, too.

Paul.S

27-07-06, 05:59 PM

Right, this stops now.

Brendan seems to cop a lot of flak on here, this is not how we want est1892 to be, can you all please leave your past problems where they belong... in the past.
If you don't like Brendan, or anyone else for that matter, stick them on ignore!

MrMichael

27-07-06, 06:07 PM

I've put Brendan on my ignore list. Can't stand that prick anymore...I am tempted to argue my case, but we've been through this before at the old Koptalk.

Man, can't believe we let the prick in...

Seeing as you are ignoring him I take it you didn't read what he wrote? Although I don't necessarily agree with what he said, "So you weren't at all puzzled by Pellegrino, Nunez, Josemi or his insistence that Morientes could play in the Premiership?" I really don't think it warranted name calling this time at all. Unnecessarily antagonising in my humble opinion mate and only ever going to illicit a response in kind. If you want to ignore him then why not do just that? :handshake:

Brendan - All managers make buys that don't work out, the difference with Rafa compared to say, Houllier, is that he recognises his mistakes, gets the best he can out of the player until the season ends, then ships them out. Oh, and we don't tend to take a huge loss on them either. I have to say I wasn't particularly puzzled by any of them apart from Moro, and I don't really think we had many other options at the time. The proof of what Rafa actually thought of him was shown when he was out the door shortly after the last kick of the season. :D

Edit - Damn that was quick Paul. Atleast we're saying the same thing, just mine's more long winded ;)

univofchicago

27-07-06, 06:09 PM

Right, this stops now.

If you don't like Brendan, or anyone else for that matter, stick them on ignore!

I've done exactly that, and you can be sure I will be talking about Brendan no more.

Thanks.

Resmist

27-07-06, 06:10 PM

Rumour I heard was that he was on a very low wage, like 8k a week.

R

I dont care how much he is paying us, I want him out.:D

univofchicago

27-07-06, 07:45 PM

I really don't think it warranted name calling this time at all. Unnecessarily antagonising in my humble opinion mate and only ever going to illicit a response in kind. If you want to ignore him then why not do just that? :handshake:

MrMichael,

First, I have put him on ignore, so there won't any problems from now on.

As for whether his response warranted name calling, that response in itself did not. I agree with you.

But you have failed to see the BIG PICTURE. Brendan recognizes me, you see, from my days at Koptalk and we had some disagreements over there. Ever since I joined est1892, he has been picking on my posts, and ridiculing me in that typically annoying way of his. He obviously wants to start another one of his slanging matches but I have ignored him every time he followed on from my posts. That was the last straw for me, and thats why I've put him on my ignore list instead of just "ignoring him" per se.

Seriously, if you had any idea what I had gone through with that p*ick, you will understand a bit better.

Anyways, enough of Brendan.

MrMichael

27-07-06, 08:47 PM

Appreciate that there may well have been issues elsewhere my friend, and I'm sure you understand we would love to prevent such issues further developing on these boards and spoiling the atmosphere for everyone else. I just don't feel response in kind ever really helps the situation, or helps isolate exactly what, where and with whom the problem lies.

Peace :D

univofchicago

27-07-06, 10:31 PM

Good old Djimi. He always tried and lets not forget he was part of our European triumph. He did have some solid days for us but just isn't good enough to cut it regularly.

He really did try hard. I commend him for that.

But as you said, he just wasn't CONSISTENT enough, and consistency is the mark of a good defender. There were times when Traore had a great game - those great last ditch tackles with his long leg of his were a joy to behold. But then this would be followed by some terrible howlers.

I remember first watching him play during the 2000/01 season: One minute he was brilliant, and then the next minute terrible. I always thought that his consistency would improve with experience (especially having watched Carragher develop into one of the most consistent performers in the league)but that improvement has never materialized.

The Champions League Final pretty much summed up his game. First half - one of the most inept performances I have seen by a footballer. Second half - one of the best players on the field.

El Jefecito

27-07-06, 10:46 PM

He really did try hard. I commend him for that.

But as you said, he just wasn't CONSISTENT enough, and consistency is the mark of a good defender. There were times when Traore had a great game - those great last ditch tackles with his long leg of his were a joy to behold. But then this would be followed by some terrible howlers.

I remember first watching him play during the 2000/01 season: One minute he was brilliant, and then the next minute terrible. I always thought that his consistency would improve with experience (especially having watched Carragher develop into one of the most consistent performers in the league)but that improvement has never materialized.

The Champions League Final pretty much summed up his game. First half - one of the most inept performances I have seen by a footballer. Second half - one of the best players on the field.
Djimi is a GREAT player, who can't head and more importantly can't concentrate for 90minutes. That's his ultimate downfall. He reminds me of Bramble in that regard.

Ryan

29-07-06, 02:22 AM

Anyone who was puzzled by the first three probably doesn't think very hard. Pellegrino taught our defense to zonal mark which helped everyone...

Well now that's just a load of made-up bollox.

Could Mauricio 'face like a melted candle' Pellegrino even speak English?

And don't start giving me all this 'led by example', 'did his talking with his feet', 'the langauage is football' wank either.

SouthAfricaRed

29-07-06, 03:15 AM

Well now that's just a load of made-up bollox.

Could Mauricio 'face like a melted candle' Pellegrino even speak English?

And don't start giving me all this 'led by example', 'did his talking with his feet', 'the langauage is football' wank either.

Well considering that Carra cant speak English either, he's done a Great job in leading the defence :haha:

Harv

29-07-06, 04:16 AM

Well now that's just a load of made-up bollox.

Could Mauricio 'face like a melted candle' Pellegrino even speak English?

And don't start giving me all this 'led by example', 'did his talking with his feet', 'the langauage is football' wank either.

i think the fact that you dont even know if he could speak english, proves that you arn't really qualified to be speaking about this subject. He was bought in by Rafa to teach the squad...Rafa said this himself. He spoke english(badly), but he doesnt need to really tell people how to effectively zonal mark...Rafa can do that. Pelle was brought in to show them.

Yes he was as slow as anyone can get....but our defence improved greatly after his stint. Rafa even wanted him to stay on as a coach

:o Your probably going to argue our defence improved BECAUSE he left arn't you!

dww

29-07-06, 10:15 AM

And don't start giving me all this 'led by example', 'did his talking with his feet', 'the langauage is football' wank either.

So do you not believe any of these things are possible?

I suspect that the fact that Rafa asked him to become the reserve coach implies that he must have done something right and I would guess at least could speak some English.

My memory of Pellegrino was that when he was in the side he was constantly pointing and shouting and organising and when he was in the side we always seemed better at corners. However particularly when paired with Hyypia it was easy for teams to take advantage of his lack of pace in open play.

Shaggy

29-07-06, 12:36 PM

So do you not believe any of these things are possible?

I suspect that the fact that Rafa asked him to become the reserve coach implies that he must have done something right and I would guess at least could speak some English.

My memory of Pellegrino was that when he was in the side he was constantly pointing and shouting and organising and when he was in the side we always seemed better at corners. However particularly when paired with Hyypia it was easy for teams to take advantage of his lack of pace in open play.

Absolutely correct. 'Ryan', whoever he is, couldn't be more wrong.