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andyinswinton
01-01-07, 11:34 PM
Is there any benefit for us in these countries joining the EU?
I don't know too much about this kinda stuff but I don't think too many people will be going over there to work and I can't think of too much that we would import from there.
Apart from signing young footballers and not requiring a work permit, is there much benefit for the UK in these countries joining the EU?
May I be the first to welcome our new European friends into our country - surely there aren't enough Polish people to fill all our undesirable jobs?
Flintshire...where I live already has a polish newspaper for sale and yesterday they started producing Bulgarian and Romanian versions.
There is also talk of changing roadsigns to feature welsh, english and polish.
cool, maybe those dumb english fucks will actually start embracing other cultures, instead of being the insular backward cracker hick fucks this island nation makes them....
Of course there is.
Employers now have access to a greater number of people so they can now keep wages to minimum and still have a supply of people to fill certain jobs.
Red Chilli
02-01-07, 01:09 AM
cool, maybe those dumb english fucks will actually start embracing other cultures, instead of being the insular backward cracker hick fucks this island nation makes them....
Flintshire is in Wales mate :haha:
yeah, it was a general comment about the inability of the britains in general to accept anyone different with anything but suspicion...
congratulations in pointing out something completely irrelevant.
Red Chilli
02-01-07, 01:40 AM
yeah, it was a general comment about the inability of the britains in general to accept anyone different with anything but suspicion...
congratulations in pointing out something completely irrelevant.
Britons :handshake:
congratulations again.
Im sure its a testament to your education.
thesilverfoxlfc
02-01-07, 02:19 AM
The EU's a piece of shit anyways. Dont want these kind of countries coming in
I find it funny that Ireland fight for 800 years of freedom and once we get it we gave everything to the EU, i know we have benefited with money but letting a punch of fookers in Belguim run of country is b0ll0x :shake:
I was also taking the piss. There is a polish newspaper though.
Its shite, cant read it
The EU's a piece of shit anyways. Dont want these kind of countries coming in
I find it funny that Ireland fight for 800 years of freedom and once we get it we gave everything to the EU, i know we have benefited with money but letting a punch of fookers in Belguim run of country is b0ll0x :shake:
I think you know as well as I do that they don't actually run the country, but they do have a lot of power over us.
And to be honest as galling as that might be, I'm not too upset with it because at the moment the alternative is for the whole country to run by a bunch of incompetent and corrupt Fianna Fáilers.
Jaco_Pastorious
02-01-07, 12:25 PM
I think you know as well as I do that they don't actually run the country, but they do have a lot of power over us.
And to be honest as galling as that might be, I'm not too upset with it because at the moment the alternative is for the whole country to run by a bunch of incompetent and corrupt Fianna Fáilers.
There was me thinking it was. Incompetent and corrupt being a perfect way to sum that political party up.
Red Chilli
02-01-07, 12:30 PM
congratulations again.
Im sure its a testament to your education.
No, I'm just a dumb english insular backward cracker hick fuck. :handshake:
Self awareness is very important.
Were you actually offended or are you just now clinging onto it as I've not engaged with your pedantry?
At least with the majority of Poles who have come over they are hard workers and a lot of them are highly skilled manual workers.
Not sure about Bulgaria though especially after the trial of Michael Shields.
Red Chilli
02-01-07, 12:44 PM
Self awareness is very important.
Were you actually offended or are you just now clinging onto it as I've not engaged with your pedantry?
No, just amused when people come on all high and mighty, generalise about an entire country/nation and call it's people dumb and backward whilst making dumb and backward errors. :haha:
as long as they never let Turkey join i'll be ok
No, just amused when people come on all high and mighty, generalise about an entire country/nation and call it's people dumb and backward whilst making dumb and backward errors. :haha:
blimey, I imagined for a second I might be making a valid point. I'll be sure to be more careful with my use of language in future, while delivering my invective.
alunevans
02-01-07, 05:10 PM
Is there any benefit for us in these countries joining the EU?
For starters, it'll give the Daily Mail and Express something to panic about on their shitty front pagers. Keeps the poor loves occupied.
Careful mate, pagers should be 'pages' don't let your spelling mistakes get in the way of your opinion....
Hollowman
02-01-07, 05:49 PM
a bunch of incompetent and corrupt Fianna Fáilers.
Anyone who calls their party Soldiers of Destiny deserves a certain amount of leeway, mind...
Anyone who calls their party Soldiers of Destiny deserves a certain amount of leeway, mind...
I don't hold the fact that our Taoiseach (PM) is a Manc fan against him, I do however draw the line there.
Accepting £8k for speaking at a dinner as Minister for Finance in Ireland after a Man Utd game though is a bit too far over the line for me. So is accepting money from all and sundry while making them directors of semi state bodies.
Red_Al_77
02-01-07, 06:50 PM
Countries join the EU for the handouts.
alunevans
02-01-07, 07:23 PM
Careful mate, pagers should be 'pages' don't let your spelling mistakes get in the way of your opinion....
*tips hat*
Is there any benefit for us in these countries joining the EU?
I don't know too much about this kinda stuff but I don't think too many people will be going over there to work and I can't think of too much that we would import from there.
Apart from signing young footballers and not requiring a work permit, is there much benefit for the UK in these countries joining the EU?
Cardiff city centre will get more strawberry sellers :handshake:
andyinswinton
02-01-07, 09:08 PM
Cardiff city centre will get more strawberry sellers :handshake:
Shame we won't be making a trip there in May!:)
Shame we won't be making a trip there in May!:)
Carling cup first fella , then FA cup in May
Strawberry's all round :woot:
andyinswinton
02-01-07, 10:02 PM
Thats some funny strawberries out in February! :chunks:
mick the click
02-01-07, 10:39 PM
Countries join the EU for the handouts.
My 2p... they also join to ensure that they have some (EU) protection from Russia's, often petulant and increasingly arrogant (murder, energy blackmail etc) antics.
There is a 'battle' going on to win influence and spread true (haaaaa!) democracy in those states Russia refers to, not altogether healthily, as 'the near abroad.'
I believe the thinking is that the closer the EU can take a western political model to Russia, the more difficult it will be for the Kremlin to become isoated.
Russia has returned to 'superpowerdom,' thanks to oil, and educated Russians have a degree of wealth and freedom that they are very happy with, and this is the layer well below the oligarchs. With its new wealth, and 'managed democracy,' the state owns most of the media; it is manipulating law and the democratic process to its own ends.
Many ordinary Russians, however, are up shit street as the 'from birth to death' welfare system is slowly eroded.
Putin, allegedly, can't serve a third term (without a 4 yr gap) and there's lots of malarkey going on to choose his successor, and therefore lots of uncertainty - of course these countries are keen to join the EU.
But the vast majority of new member state's emigrants do head for the UK, it would seem, above nearer, larger countries. There are only so many loft conversions we can take.
I can't stand the EU - great idea - but so flawed and corrupt it's almost frightening.
They also join to ensure that they have some (EU) protection from Russia's, often petulant, antics.
But the vast majority of new member state's emigrants do head for the UK, it would seem, above nearer, larger countries.
I think Ireland actually has more immigrants than the UK.
We had over 200,000 last year.
Mattshark
02-01-07, 11:04 PM
They also join to ensure that they have some (EU) protection from Russia's, often petulant, antics.
But the vast majority of new member state's emigrants do head for the UK, it would seem, above nearer, larger countries.
That is simply not true. Germany has a lot more poles in than the uk.
That is simply not true. Germany has a lot more poles in than the uk.
And the other thing you'll find is that at least 90% of Nigerians that come into Ireland have been in the UK first.
I mention this because they are the largest in numbers of aslyum seekers in Ireland.
mick the click
02-01-07, 11:08 PM
That is simply not true. Germany has a lot more poles in than the uk.
...wasn't restricting my observation to the Poles...
mick the click
02-01-07, 11:10 PM
And the other thing you'll find is that at least 90% of Nigerians that come into Ireland have been in the UK first.
I mention this because they are the largest in numbers of aslyum seekers in Ireland.
...and...?
...and...?
You'll find the UK isn't the country most refugees are actually looking to go to.
THey get sent back because of the Dublin Convention if they're found out.
THe point being other countries have bigger problems with immigration (legal and otherwise) than the UK.
Mattshark
02-01-07, 11:24 PM
You'll find the UK isn't the country most refugees are actually looking to go to.
THey get sent back because of the Dublin Convention if they're found out.
THe point being other countries have bigger problems with immigration (legal and otherwise) than the UK.
It is not so much of problem for the UK more a need, with non immigration we'd run out of people with our current brith and emmigration rates.
It is not so much of problem for the UK more a need, with non immigration we'd run out of people with our current brith and emmigration rates.
I'm not convinced.
The UK has an unemplyment figure of about 4.7%.
Mattshark
02-01-07, 11:41 PM
I'm not convinced.
The UK has an unemplyment figure of about 4.7%.
Well declining population and high emmigration rates are not good for the future with no workforce.
Well declining population and high emmigration rates are not good for the future with no workforce.
You're right but the UK has neither of those.
It has a very slight population growth and a positive net migration figure.
Europe is simply in a race to the bottom in working conditions. More available labour helps that cause.
Mattshark
02-01-07, 11:59 PM
You're right but the UK has neither of those.
It has a very slight population growth and a positive net migration figure.
Europe is simply in a race to the bottom in working conditions. More available labour helps that cause.
lol, :haha: try to catch america up?
We did have a declining population previously.
lol, :haha: try to catch america up?
We did have a declining population previously.
I don't know why you're laughing because that's exactly what's going on.
The Euro is the tool which will be used against us so the French can no longer have their 35 hour working week, the Danes can no longer have their 5 weeks paid holidays. The idea is that monetary discipline forces fiscal discipline upon us, which is evident in the strict guidelines attached to borrowing and budget deficits in the EU. None of the EU economies can take action on their own to halt a recession, unless they try to steal the jobs from other countries in the EU, cutting business taxes to lure them in etc. (a big policy of Irish government)
Have you any idea who came up with the idea of the Euro ? It wasn't politicians in France, Germany, Italy or any other European country. Robert Mundell was the man, he won a Nobel prize for it. He's an American economist, all for no regulation and completely free markets.
If you look at the development of the EU over the last 50 years you'll see it 's quite evident. It started off as a trading block, which morphed into a integovernmental structure in the 70's. Now however it's bordering on a federalist state. The extension of qualified majority voting in the Nice treaty can be seen as explicit evidence of that.
It's ok Mattshark.
I didn't want a reply anyway.
Mattshark
05-01-07, 12:35 AM
It's ok Mattshark.
I didn't want a reply anyway.
Sorry I went to bed.
Sorry I went to bed.
Should I take that as you conceding the argument ?
I think a couple of days without a rebuttal would give rise to that presumption.
Mattshark
06-01-07, 02:48 AM
Should I take that as you conceding the argument ?
I think a couple of days without a rebuttal would give rise to that presumption.
I didn't know we where arguing, I thought we were just talking. I never even disagreed with you.
In the long run. I'm fed up with politics, its is just full of wothless scum. I hope the peoples of Romania and Bulgaria become prosperous.
Anyone else see this depressing article in today's Guardian?
Romania's first gift to the European Union - a caucus of neo-fascists and Holocaust deniers
· Accession states mean group has enough MEPs
· Le Pen deputy set to be leader of far-right alliance
Ian Traynor, Europe editor, Monday January 8, 2007, The Guardian
In France, the group's prospective leader has been barred from teaching at his university and is awaiting a court verdict for questioning the Nazis' mass murder of Europe's Jews.
His Bulgarian colleague brags that his country has the "prettiest Gypsies" and says he knows where to buy 12-year-old Gypsy brides for "up to €5,000" (£2,250).
Then there is the Polish professor who uses public office to pay tribute to General Franco, the late Spanish dictator. Or the intellectual strategist of an Austrian party whose ideology, according to a Vienna court, is similar to that of Hitler's "national socialism".
Such are the leading lights of "Europe of the Fatherlands", the world of politically organised European far-right extremism who are expected to form their first transnational organisation next week by establishing a formal caucus in the European parliament.
The development is an early result of the accession of Romania and Bulgaria. Ironically, given the hostility of the west European far right to expansion, to immigration, and to eastern Europe, it is Romania's entry that has made the caucus possible: the EU parliament's rules stipulate that an official caucus in the chamber needs to have representatives from at least five countries, and a minimum of 19 MEPs. They now meet this requirement.
Efforts have been under way for years to increase the clout of the far right in Europe by pooling assets and resources. The former pioneer of the modern European populist right, Jörg Haider of Austria, was wooed as a possible European leader. But the plans foundered because of differences among the notoriously fractious national leaders. These frictions remain. Italy's Northern League, for example, is boycotting the caucus because the league's head, Umberto Bossi, cannot stand the leader of France's National Front, Jean-Marie Le Pen.
"It's pretty much watertight, although there are still a few imponderables," the far-right Austrian MEP Andreas Moelzer told the Austrian press agency. "We've already got a common programme."
The plan is to announce the creation of an official parliamentary caucus during the first session of the year on January 15. The caucus will bring together about 20 MEPs from at least six countries. Mr Moelzer said the numbers could expand to 40. Ashley Mote, an MEP for south-east England who sits as an independent and was previously from the UK Independence party, is being mentioned as a member.
Bulgaria's quota of European parliament seats includes one held by the extreme Ataka party of Volen Siderov, which campaigns against Gypsies or Roma and Turks, while Romania has supplied a breakthrough for the hard right by gaining five seats for Corneliu Vadim Tudor's anti-Hungarian, anti-Semitic and anti-Roma Greater Romanian party.
The turnaround came last week when Mr Tudor said his delegates would join the new caucus, expected to be named either "Europe of the Fatherlands" or "Identity, Sovereignty, Tradition".
The brains behind the new movement are Mr Moelzer, who was an ideologist for Mr Haider for years before falling out with him, and Frank Vanhecke, the leader of Vlaams Belang, Belgium's separatist Flemish nationalist party. Ironically, Mr Moelzer's Austrian Freedom party voted against letting Romania join the EU.
Bruno Gollnisch, a French MEP and a deputy leader of Mr Le Pen's National Front, is expected to lead the new group, with Mr Moelzer as its general secretary.
The members include Alessandra Mussolini, granddaughter of the Italian former fascist leader Benito, and Dimitar Stoyanov, a new Bulgarian MEP who circulated an email saying there were much "prettier Gypsies" in Bulgaria after a Hungarian Roma woman was named European MP of the year a few months ago. "You can even buy yourself a loving [Gypsy] wife aged 12 or 13 ... The best of are very expensive, up to €5,000 each."
Mr Gollnisch is awaiting a verdict from a Lyon court on charges of questioning the Holocaust. Other possible members of the group include the League of Polish Families, a junior partner in Warsaw's centre-right government, regularly accused of gay-bashing and anti-Semitism.
By establishing a formal caucus, the extreme right will benefit from greater EU funding. A priority, said Mr Moelzer, will be to fight any German-led attempts to revive Europe's comatose constitution.
REDSCOUSER
08-01-07, 11:49 PM
Flintshire...where I live already has a polish newspaper for sale and yesterday they started producing Bulgarian and Romanian versions.
There is also talk of changing roadsigns to feature welsh, english and polish.
:haha:
a coupla more lingos for yer to learn then DANNO :finger:
REDSCOUSER
08-01-07, 11:53 PM
Thats some funny strawberries out in February! :chunks:
:haha:
don't mind him he's Welsh :finger:
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