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captainfog
10-01-07, 01:57 PM
Chrysler's chief economist Van Jolissaint has launched a fierce attack on "quasi-hysterical Europeans" and their "Chicken Little" attitudes to global warming.
Mr Jolissaint was speaking at a private breakfast where the chief economists of the "Big Three" US car firms presented their forecasts for auto industry sales this year.
Most of the audience - which was mainly made up of parts suppliers - seemed to nod in agreement with Mr Jolissaint.
In response to a question from the floor, he said that global warming was a far-off risk whose magnitude was uncertain.
He said that from an economic point of view, it would be more rational to spend lots of money on today's other big problems, and only make small and limited changes in policies relating to global warming, such as a slight increase in gasoline or carbon taxes.
What a CNUT :whatever: :rash: :rant:
He has a point though no?
Talk of global warming is scaremongering my the politicians.
Depth_Charge
10-01-07, 02:43 PM
He has a point though no?
Talk of global warming is scaremongering my the politicians.
That is absolute bolleaux - you might have a point if politicians were doing anything about it, but they're not. You could perhaps say it's scaremongering by Scientists, but they're not generally ones to go in for that type of thing - it's just the typical yank 'head in the sand attitude' which so endears their leaders to everyone else in the world.
PeachSalsa
10-01-07, 02:57 PM
It's not just us Yanks that have our head in the sand. The entire world needs to get their head out and realize that global warming is a fact and is not going away.
Hollowman
10-01-07, 03:21 PM
The US administration has a habit of judging themselves by third world standards though - but India does this and China does that and Burma does the other, so us taking measures won't make any difference. It's frustrating.
Not that the European PTB are much better, but they are at least all looking in the right direction.
PeachSalsa
10-01-07, 03:34 PM
The US administration is shit, our President being the biggest shit in the group. People as a whole need to start doing things even when their government is ignoring it. Do what you can to help. No telling what it will take for people to realize it's not a joke or something that is going to go away on it's own.
Hollowman
10-01-07, 03:42 PM
Exactly. But it's like anything in history - comfort comes at a price, and the comfortable tend to ignore the price. This time the price will eventually be charged to them rather than someone else, but nobody will act until catastrophic damage has been done.
He has a point though no?
Talk of global warming is scaremongering my the politicians.
Get a fucking Grip would you !! Tornados in London, 3 feet of Hail Stones in Australia in Summer, Chardonnay grapes growing in the south of England, Polar Bears on the Endangered list, skiing seasons in total disarray because there is literally no snow, The Hottest 6 years since records begin in the last 6 years, I regularly speak to people from all over the world and all of them bar none have said to me the weather is not acting the way it is supposed to be. Ice Sheets the size of Manhattan disappearing, the Rain Forest disappearing and all off it speeding up exponentially. None of the Climate models are working all of them have underestimated the sheer ferocity which this world is changing right now. Extreme weather has become commonplace , Hurricane Katrina, European Heat wave, Asian Tsunami, Europe wide floods. Tell the farmers in Africa who’s cows are dying, a staple of not only economic life but social life too, the millions and millions of people living in Bangladesh who’s homes are at serious risk of being underwater any day soon. Global Warming is very real, Its today, its effecting the poorest of the poor today, tonight and it is in serious danger of wiping us all out within a generation.
People who don’t believe in Global warming are either ill informed in the extreme or just plain old thick.
Red Chilli
10-01-07, 04:31 PM
On the plus side though Nicey, I've not had to scrape the ice of my windscreen much this year :)
Red_Polo
10-01-07, 04:31 PM
Britain will be getting a lot colder if global warming continues and fucks over the gulf stream
PeachSalsa
10-01-07, 04:46 PM
Living in southern USA has been spring like most of the winter. A very few cold days, none extremely cold. Trees are budding, flowers are blooming. Only an idiot would not realize something is wrong with the weather.
Get a fucking Grip would you !! Tornados in London, 3 feet of Hail Stones in Australia in Summer, Chardonnay grapes growing in the south of England, Polar Bears on the Endangered list, skiing seasons in total disarray because there is literally no snow, The Hottest 6 years since records begin in the last 6 years, I regularly speak to people from all over the world and all of them bar none have said to me the weather is not acting the way it is supposed to be. Ice Sheets the size of Manhattan disappearing, the Rain Forest disappearing and all off it speeding up exponentially. None of the Climate models are working all of them have underestimated the sheer ferocity which this world is changing right now. Extreme weather has become commonplace , Hurricane Katrina, European Heat wave, Asian Tsunami, Europe wide floods. Tell the farmers in Africa who’s cows are dying, a staple of not only economic life but social life too, the millions and millions of people living in Bangladesh who’s homes are at serious risk of being underwater any day soon. Global Warming is very real, Its today, its effecting the poorest of the poor today, tonight and it is in serious danger of wiping us all out within a generation.
People who don’t believe in Global warming are either ill informed in the extreme or just plain old thick.
Didn't an earthquake trigger the Tsunami? How is an Earthquake related to Weather patterns? (Not that I disagree with the general thrust of your post)
Living in southern USA has been spring like most of the winter. A very few cold days, none extremely cold. Trees are budding, flowers are blooming. Only an idiot would not realize something is wrong with the weather.
I feel sorry for all those poor people who were effected by Katrina, their homes wiped away, their savings going, Men in their 60's having to go back to work to find money to pay the bills.
Global Warming will either destroy us or save us in my humble opinion, it effects us all, Mother Nature does not give two shits how much money you have, which school you went to, the color of your skin, were you live ) except if you are Chelsea supporter which is why there are fucking Tornado's in London these days, God is a Red and has instructed mother nature to hit the Chavs first) we will all have to come together if we are to solve this problem.
2007 is going to be truly terrible for Earthquakes, Volcanic erruptions, floods, storms systems. Wait and see there is going to be something truly horrible hit Japan this year .. I can feel it in my bones ... All the indications are not good, 2006 was relatively quite but the planet is rummbling literally right now. There are pockets of anomalous magnetic areas of the coast of South Africa were due north is point due south, the Sun has just entered into a weather new cycle which will last ten years and all computer models have it activity going off the charts, the Suns Magnetic poles flip every 11 years this time around they have shifted only half way, very anomalously.
If the Sun lightly belches its lights out all over the planet, everything electrical stops working instantly which is everything, chaos. The Suns weather system is due to get very very active over the next 4 years, more so than has ever been recorded before.
The planets seabeds are warming up inexplicably as they fall out of the range for global warming, there are vast huge areas of the sea now which are completely and utterly dead, nothing lives there not even microbes. Our planet is very very sick. Wither it is our fault or not is open to debate but we sure as hell could have done, should have done, should be doing a lot more to save it and look after it for our kids. I am no tree hugger by any stretch, but when you start seeing the climate change not only in your life time but in a matter of 5 to 10 years its time to sit up and take notice. Climate change use to be something they thought you about in Geography class and it happened over 100s of 1000s of years, not anymore and it effects you and all the people you care about. Its about time everybody started to take it deadly seriously. :handshake:
Still the hot weather is nice :cool:
Didn't an earthquake trigger the Tsunami? How is an Earthquake related to Weather patterns? (Not that I disagree with the general thrust of your post)
Mate the whole system is very finely interlinked, you slightly tweak something in India and you see the effects in Colorado, who incidentally just had a freak Tornado as well. I am no climatologist or geologist for that matter but I believe one of the general jests relating to increased earthquake activity is Ice sheets weigh an enormous amount and put huge ammounts of pressure on the earths crust as global warming kicks in and ever increasing numbers of these truly massive ice sheets are melting hugh ammounts of pressure is being released off the earths crust which is effect tectonic plates all over the planet.
Have a look at what is happening in Alaska right now and indeed around the world.. http://earthquake.usgs.gov/
each box represents an Earthquake, this week, the bigger the box the bigger the earth quake. Something is not right with our planet and you are been kept in the dark at the severity of the situation right now.
tomasjj
10-01-07, 06:27 PM
We have barely had snow yet here in Norway, and it is the 10th of January.
That is not normal at all.
We are doomed I tell you, dooooooooomed.
FatTony
10-01-07, 06:48 PM
That is absolute bolleaux - you might have a point if politicians were doing anything about it, but they're not. You could perhaps say it's scaremongering by Scientists, but they're not generally ones to go in for that type of thing - it's just the typical yank 'head in the sand attitude' which so endears their leaders to everyone else in the world.
No, its b*llox, its something to generate an excuse to raise taxes.
There is still NO proof that we're affecting the climate, none at all. Climate change has always been, the ice age didn't happen because Mr Woolly Mammoth and his mates were getting cheap flights to Amsterdam.
The climate through central enland back when the romans invaded was apparently very, very warm throughout the entire year.
Red_hot
10-01-07, 07:22 PM
On the plus side though Nicey, I've not had to scrape the ice of my windscreen much this year :)
:haha:
Nicey seems to know what he is talking about and he's a bit scary so I for one am not arguing with him! :D
animal magic
10-01-07, 07:49 PM
The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.
Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet above sea level.
The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.
At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.
If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.
Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.
Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.
Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense.
Droughts and wildfires will occur more often.
The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.
More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.
spud_gun
10-01-07, 07:59 PM
No, its b*llox, its something to generate an excuse to raise taxes.
There is still NO proof that we're affecting the climate, none at all. Climate change has always been, the ice age didn't happen because Mr Woolly Mammoth and his mates were getting cheap flights to Amsterdam.
The climate through central enland back when the romans invaded was apparently very, very warm throughout the entire year.
:handshake:
FatTony
10-01-07, 08:03 PM
The number of Category 4 and 5 hurricanes has almost doubled in the last 30 years.
Malaria has spread to higher altitudes in places like the Colombian Andes, 7,000 feet above sea level.
The flow of ice from glaciers in Greenland has more than doubled over the past decade.
At least 279 species of plants and animals are already responding to global warming, moving closer to the poles.
If the warming continues, we can expect catastrophic consequences.
Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year.
Global sea levels could rise by more than 20 feet with the loss of shelf ice in Greenland and Antarctica, devastating coastal areas worldwide.
Heat waves will be more frequent and more intense.
Droughts and wildfires will occur more often.
The Arctic Ocean could be ice free in summer by 2050.
More than a million species worldwide could be driven to extinction by 2050.
Climate change exists, always has, fact, I just don't think we have a lot to do with it (assuming that was your proof).
Red_Polo
10-01-07, 08:05 PM
Climate change exists, always has, fact, I just don't think we have a lot to do with it (assuming that was your proof).
Most climatologists not funded by energy companies, do.
animal magic
10-01-07, 08:06 PM
Climate change exists, always has, fact, I just don't think we have a lot to do with it (assuming that was your proof).
it has but has not changed so quickly before and not on this scale
Red_Polo
10-01-07, 08:16 PM
it has but has not changed so quickly before and not on this scale
It has many times. Ice ages etc
There are natural cyclical climate changes, but there is no evidence that the global warming we are experiencing is due to those. There is however a strong correlation between CO2 levels and average air temperature, and we know that different gases reflect different proportions of radiated heat from the Earth.
Even if global warming wasn't due to CO2 emissions, moving away from our dependence on non-renewables and increasing energy efficiency would still be positives.
Hollowman
10-01-07, 08:23 PM
Well, good to know it's not global warming and it's only an impending ice age. I was worried there for a sec.
Red_hot
10-01-07, 08:26 PM
Well, good to know it's not global warming and it's only an impending ice age. I was worried there for a sec.
Maybe the Woolly Mammoth might return though. :woot:
Jaco_Pastorious
10-01-07, 08:31 PM
:haha:
Nicey seems to know what he is talking about and he's a bit scary so I for one am not arguing with him! :D
He's not scary, but the fact what he is saying is pretty much on the mark is scary.
Red_hot
10-01-07, 08:35 PM
Yeah but he shouts. :(
Red Chilli
10-01-07, 08:35 PM
Maybe the Woolly Mammoth might return though. :woot:
:haha:
Red_Al_77
10-01-07, 08:36 PM
and he cheats at Chess
Red_hot
10-01-07, 08:38 PM
and he cheats at Chess
How do you know?
Red_Al_77
10-01-07, 08:39 PM
He admitted to it in relation to the game we started on KT.
Red_hot
10-01-07, 08:41 PM
:shake: Shoddy.
He admitted to it in relation to the game we started on KT.
GEEK alert
For all you who don't believe in Global Warming I have found somebody to explain it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDrq0LNrh-A
spud_gun
11-01-07, 09:29 AM
For all you who don't believe in Global Warming I have found somebody to explain it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDrq0LNrh-A
:haha:
God fearing , tax rasing liberals and their facts :haha:
Quality.
I think you all seem to have forgot about global dimming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
Global warming isn't the only problem. If the global warming goes down then global dimming will go up so it's not an easy problem so solve.
Thank Fuck for Global Diming without it we would be in a far worse position and in fact we probally dont know just how fucked we are. The Weather cold snap in an extremely short time space and we would all be fucked
spud_gun
11-01-07, 11:57 AM
I think you all seem to have forgot about global dimming.
Sounds like somthing from The Day Today.
der_Fuchs
11-01-07, 10:07 PM
Chrysler's chief economist Van Jolissaint has launched a fierce attack on "quasi-hysterical Europeans" and their "Chicken Little" attitudes to global warming.
Mr Jolissaint was speaking at a private breakfast where the chief economists of the "Big Three" US car firms presented their forecasts for auto industry sales this year.
Most of the audience - which was mainly made up of parts suppliers - seemed to nod in agreement with Mr Jolissaint.
In response to a question from the floor, he said that global warming was a far-off risk whose magnitude was uncertain.
He said that from an economic point of view, it would be more rational to spend lots of money on today's other big problems, and only make small and limited changes in policies relating to global warming, such as a slight increase in gasoline or carbon taxes.
What a CNUT :whatever: :rash: :rant:
I can't see why you are getting so excited. He was speaking from an economic view, so he was bound to say anything he could think of so as to justify the most profitable standpoint for himself. That, in essence, is what talking from an economic view is all about (although not to be confused with the similar trait of 'being economical with the truth'). Given his role, it would be unprofessional for him to do anything else in front of all those people.
In any case, it is most likely that his audience would be more concerned with the inexorable shrinkage of the US motor industry than it would with global climate change. Many of them won't be able to afford to fly to such conferences any more if sales continue to drop.
Abdul Alhazred
11-01-07, 10:51 PM
I can't see why you are getting so excited. He was speaking from an economic view, so he was bound to say anything he could think of so as to justify the most profitable standpoint for himself. That, in essence, is what talking from an economic view is all about (although not to be confused with the similar trait of 'being economical with the truth'). Given his role, it would be unprofessional for him to do anything else in front of all those people.
In any case, it is most likely that his audience would be more concerned with the inexorable shrinkage of the US motor industry than it would with global climate change. Many of them won't be able to afford to fly to such conferences any more if sales continue to drop.
Amen. It's not called the dismal science for nothing.
Abdul Alhazred
11-01-07, 11:04 PM
wibble
captainfog
12-01-07, 12:19 AM
I can't see why you are getting so excited. He was speaking from an economic view, so he was bound to say anything he could think of so as to justify the most profitable standpoint for himself. That, in essence, is what talking from an economic view is all about (although not to be confused with the similar trait of 'being economical with the truth'). Given his role, it would be unprofessional for him to do anything else in front of all those people.
In any case, it is most likely that his audience would be more concerned with the inexorable shrinkage of the US motor industry than it would with global climate change. Many of them won't be able to afford to fly to such conferences any more if sales continue to drop.
The fact that he is in such a position makes it worse that he has taken this standpoint.
The whole point is that people in his position, especially yanks in his position, are still spouting this shit. These are the people that have influence in business and can help be a catalyst in changing peoples perceptions.
It is irresponsible and wrong. You cannot justify it by saying that if he didn't he wouldn't sell as many cars. :rolleyes: That is even worse. The fact that people are justifying his standpoint shows that we still have a long way to go in changing people attitudes and points to the conclusion that if we are not already fucked then we certainly will be in the near future :sigh: :(
Hollowman
12-01-07, 12:35 AM
I don't think the Motherfucher was justifying his standpoint as much as just being realistic about what someone in that position is most likely to say, n'est pas?
I can't see why you are getting so excited. He was speaking from an economic view, so he was bound to say anything he could think of so as to justify the most profitable standpoint for himself. That, in essence, is what talking from an economic view is all about (although not to be confused with the similar trait of 'being economical with the truth'). Given his role, it would be unprofessional for him to do anything else in front of all those people.
In any case, it is most likely that his audience would be more concerned with the inexorable shrinkage of the US motor industry than it would with global climate change. Many of them won't be able to afford to fly to such conferences any more if sales continue to drop.
With all due respect to you matey thats bollox. Its big business concerns who are financing, producing and lobbying this its not us its cyclical crap. And you cant ask for a better candidate for the Shut up taking about fucking global warming award than the Car Industry.
From an economical stand point if we don't start doing something considerable today that is Friday we will leave this planet not only poisoned for future generations but completely fucked economically daz boot. Watch what happens to the world economy when West Coast of America gets completely Hammered this year, watch what happens to the World economy when Japan suffers the worse earthquake in 100s of years, I read just last night that in America now they are having Hurriances on the West coast ... apparently thats not suppose to happen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnfe7Cnwfm4 PLEASE WATCH THIS
We are a shower of useless feckers, lazy, self centered, consumer driven sheep who dont give a flying fuck about people starving or dying in this generation let alone our children's. Its about time we all woke up and smelt the CO2 :rock:
FatTony
12-01-07, 02:21 PM
Right on brother!
Hang on, I still think its rubbish.
der_Fuchs
12-01-07, 05:09 PM
I don't think the Motherfucher was justifying his standpoint as much as just being realistic about what someone in that position is most likely to say, n'est pas?
C'est ca exactement, Hollowfellow: this is not simply a question of 'context'. I personally do not happen to agree with the economist's reasoning, although incidentally I do defend his right to say what he pleases. If only Captainfog could see this as clearly as you and Abdul: perhaps he should have taken a Birdseye view. And evidently the ironic comment about flying went straight over Nicey's head.
For the record then, nobody takes global warming more seriously than I do. That is why, despite the expense, I travel everywhere in an enormous 4wd vehicle, big and powerful enough to cope with even the worst flooding predicted for the locality. If that fails I might have to consider swapping my low-lying holiday home in Venice for a nice motor-yacht.
Neil Young
12-01-07, 05:11 PM
Maybe you should consider building up the flood defences around Normandy a little better than last time.
captainfog
12-01-07, 05:30 PM
C'est ca exactement, Hollowfellow: this is not simply a question of 'context'. I personally do not happen to agree with the economist's reasoning, although incidentally I do defend his right to say what he pleases. If only Captainfog could see this as clearly as you and Abdul: perhaps he should have taken a Birdseye view. And evidently the ironic comment about flying went straight over Nicey's head.
For the record then, nobody takes global warming more seriously than I do. That is why, despite the expense, I travel everywhere in an enormous 4wd vehicle, big and powerful enough to cope with even the worst flooding predicted for the locality. If that fails I might have to consider swapping my low-lying holiday home in Venice for a nice motor-yacht.
I can't see clearly, I'm in a fog
I also totally understand why he said what he said, and I understand why he might think it is a good idea to say what he said, I also understand why he might have said what he said for the benefit of his audience.
What i also understand, as I am sure you do :handshake: is that his viewpoint is totally irresponsible (from the world's health point of view and not from a car sales point of view). We need the buy in of the big business if we are to make any sort of inroads into the current problem
Hollowman
12-01-07, 05:39 PM
So we're all in total agreement? That's a mite unnerving. And not a little upsetting. And, dare I say, girly.
settles back...
der_Fuchs
12-01-07, 05:48 PM
Maybe you should consider building up the flood defences around Normandy a little better than last time.
As I recall, it was you lot that knocked them down.:handshake:
der_Fuchs
12-01-07, 05:57 PM
I :handshake:
:handshake:
Mattshark
12-01-07, 06:00 PM
Hang on, I still think its rubbish.
Yes I'm sure the universitys of the world just want to ruin it for you and their climatoligists are making it up.
There is tons of evidence for global warming, there is no way to conclusivly prove that it is man made, but the level of CO2 in the atmospheare is so much higher than it has been for such a long time, especially when the climate should actually be getting colder. But hey, I'm sure you and people selling cars are better qualified to explaion why it was 16 degrees in Switzerland in January.
Neil Young
12-01-07, 07:02 PM
As I recall, it was you lot that knocked them down.:handshake:
I blame Chelsea. :handshake:
Jimthered
12-01-07, 08:27 PM
If all those bloody hippies hadnt given nuclear power such a bad rap, we wouldnt be in this mess . Nothing work with a few radioactive mutants running around if it keeps the earth at its right temperature.
Neil Young
12-01-07, 09:04 PM
If all those bloody hippies hadnt given nuclear power such a bad rap, we wouldnt be in this mess . Nothing work with a few radioactive mutants running around if it keeps the earth at its right temperature.
That's so American. :crackoff:
I blame Chelsea.
animal magic
12-01-07, 09:06 PM
That's so American. :crackoff:
I blame Chelsea.
you really love chelsea i see :p
Neil Young
12-01-07, 09:13 PM
I'm blaming Chelsea for everything today. dww pointed out that they are always to blame and I found it a convincing argument.
It also makes life a lot easier since no-one here (or anywhere else much) disagrees meaning I don't have to spend time defending or even thinking through my point of view.
It's a bit like being 12 again.
animal magic
12-01-07, 09:15 PM
I'm blaming Chelsea for everything today. dww pointed out that they are always to blame and I found it a convincing argument.
It also makes life a lot easier since no-one here (or anywhere else much) disagrees meaning I don't have to spend time defending or even thinking through my point of view.
It's a bit like being 12 again.
:haha: :haha:
its either chelsea or george bush
Jimthered
12-01-07, 09:15 PM
That's so American. :crackoff:
I blame Chelsea.
Well, of course the Chavs are responsible, its all the CFC's in the hair products they use down there.
But still, Nuclear power is the way forward methinks.
Neil Young
12-01-07, 09:16 PM
:haha:
Just about covers everything. :handshake:
animal magic
12-01-07, 09:18 PM
maybe nuclear power if they can find away to store it safely unlike that lot at sellefield
Red_Polo
15-01-07, 01:09 AM
:haha: :haha:
its either chelsea or george bush
Oh come now. We all know Thatcher is at fault.
Mattshark
15-01-07, 11:00 PM
Oh come now. We all know Thatcher is at fault.
:rock: :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
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