kuyt

[ronan]

our friend on kt seems to think a deal is imminent and he's been backed up by lecter

[anfieldanfield]

Well, Rafa sounded confident of landing his man earlier on in the week.

I'm a bit wary of Kuyt, I've seen him play 10/12 times, and he's been distinctly average, on every occasion.

[Ryan]

Who's "our friend", Dunk?

[brendan]

Well, Rafa sounded confident of landing his man earlier on in the week.

I'm a bit wary of Kuyt, I've seen him play 10/12 times, and he's been distinctly average, on every occasion.

Still, he's better than Rodders

[Mumsafan]

What friend?

[Ryan]

Well, Rafa sounded confident of landing his man earlier on in the week.

I'm a bit wary of Kuyt, I've seen him play 10/12 times, and he's been distinctly average, on every occasion.

His goalscoring record is phenomenal. 90 in 140 games or something.

Plus, he created 20 something assists last year alone.

Believe me, he's a very good player.

[ronan]

from privateeye2
The confidence that has been apparent in Rafa and co, stems from the fact that they have been secretly negociating with Feyenord officials to agree a fee for Kuyt. I reported way back (not bragging) that we had offered Krompkamp and/or Dudek as part of a deal. We know this was rejected, mainly because Feyenord didnt see the need to sell. Kuyt was always keen on a move but didnt want to be seen to be trying to engineer a move and upset the fans that have treated him so well. However, Feyenord's tough stance has forced Kuyt's camp to make a move and declare his desire to leave but only to Liverpool. This is important as it shows the Feyenord faithful that he simply wanted to move to a bigger club albeit one with ambition. It would not have looked good had he simply declared he wanted to go and would consider all offers.

This has forced Feyenord to negotiate. My understanding is that both parties are fairly close on the valuation but it will take a week or two to sort the structure of the fee etc. Reports of other interested parties are probably designed to disrupt the talks and/or force LFC to pay a bigger fee etc but it is too late at this stage.

I expect this to be a straight forward process and Kuyt to be a Liverpool player by the end of the month.

from lecter

Was at a corporate event yesterday got speaking with somebody loosely connected to LFC, last year at the same event he told me Baros was going to Villa a good 3 weeks before it happened (predicted the fee and wages correctly)

Anyway was talking to him and he claimed that a deal for Kuyt was imminent (he seemed to have pretty good reasons for saying this but unfortunately it would give away who he is and I wont do that)

Anyway have texted my source but doubt will get a reply till tonight / tomorrow

from el dunko

Feyenoord are meeting Rob Jansen over the weekend to discuss Dirk Kuyt's future. Liverpool should know by Tuesday what the current state of play is.

Rick Parry is "rumoured" to have met Jansen earlir this week. I have no idea where and I don't know if that's true

[ronan]

His goalscoring record is phenomenal. 90 in 140 games or something.

Plus, he created 20 something assists last year alone.

Believe me, he's a very good player.


have you seen him play then?

[anfieldanfield]

His goalscoring record is phenomenal. 90 in 140 games or something.

Plus, he created 20 something assists last year alone.

Believe me, he's a very good player.

Wasn't Kezman's record in Holland similar though ?

[Delinquent]

If we signed Kuyt, my relative disappointment over our other signings would be alleviated. I think he'd be a fantastic addition.

[brendan]

Wasn't Kezman's record in Holland similar though ?

Dear God, it's like I've fallen through a fucking worm-hole.

[anfieldanfield]

Dear God, it's like I've fallen through a fucking worm-hole.

I dont get it.

[bazza76]

he's been backed up by lecter
Has to be true then :eyebrow:
Although i do really think we will sign him.

[Delinquent]

Wasn't Kezman's record in Holland similar though ?

Yes. But Kuyt isn't a jumped up, lightweight prima donna. They're completely different types of player and are therefore incomparable. Van Nistelrooy also had a very good goal scoring record in Holland.

[brendan]

I dont get it.

Just that I've seen that Kuyt/ Kezman comment about a zillion times

[Ryan]

have you seen him play then?

About 20 times.

Not in *person*.

[Ryan]

Wasn't Kezman's record in Holland similar though ?

Yeah, similar to Van Nistelrooy's.

[anfieldanfield]

Has to be true then :eyebrow:
Although i do really think we will sign him.

Hopefully we dont pay over the odds again though.

9/10m would be a fair price.

[red g]

Kezmans was miles better than anyones!!

I have seen kuyt 20+ times.....young alan shearer i would say

[Mumsafan]

I've heard folk compare him to Shearer before. Hope he's more interesting

[Tom]

I've seen Kuyt play 4 times on visits to the netherlands. He's a very effective team player. Reminds me a bit of Kevin Keegan or Mark Hughes. Very hard, working, bustling - will run all day and knows where the goal is. He'll score the odd spectacular.

[bazza76]

I've heard folk compare him to Shearer before. Hope he's more interesting
Shearer is actually the one who has persuaded Newcastle to end their interest in Kuyt, Shearer wasnt impressed at all with Kuyt during the world cup.
Come to think of it, I kinda remember Shearer being quiet enough at the world cup.

[Leonard Crowley]

Dear God, it's like I've fallen through a fucking worm-hole.

http://www.lwg3d.org/v3/items/lwgv3_artwormhole568646.jpg

[Le Chacal]

£8M + Dudek would be a good deal...Kuyt has an eye for goal and works very hard for the team. We need 4 strikers in a season...

[brendan]

http://www.lwg3d.org/v3/items/lwgv3_artwormhole568646.jpg


Hello Skully

[Ryan]

Yup, 100% Skullflower.

[Leonard Crowley]

Leave me alone turdsuckers....and I'll leave you alone.

Well...not really.

[Ryan]

"turdsuckers"

You're better without words Skully.

[Leonard Crowley]

I have seen your future

http://www.ethlife.ethz.ch/images/Herta-l.jpg

[red g]

Shearer is actually the one who has persuaded Newcastle to end their interest in Kuyt, Shearer wasnt impressed at all with Kuyt during the world cup.
Come to think of it, I kinda remember Shearer being quiet enough at the world cup.

did he also tell them not to bother with that buck toothed brazillian as he was crap to??

[Ryan]

... And posting infrequently.

'You're better without words, and when you post infrequently' is what I should have said.

The alternative, edgy, oh-my-god stuff kinda loses it's 'Shock!' value when you see it every 5 seconds.

[Leonard Crowley]

Buzz off tinkerbell.

[ronan]

Has to be true then :eyebrow:
Although i do really think we will sign him.

have no idea what kind of "insider knowledge" lecter has or claims to have,
simply included that as a point that somebody fairly well known had backed up dunk/pe2

[nigecardiff]

is lector respected as someone with insider contacts. I seem to remember him as a regular run of the mill, posting 24/7/365, member and suddenly it was as if he had some kind of super powers over at KT and everyone started looking up to the sky, waiting and bowing to his superior knowledge of the insider workings of Liverpool Football Club.

So my question is. Is Lector a reliable insider or not? I never considered him as "in the know" but somehow everyone else did.

[ronan]

he certainly claims to be in the know.

[Le Chacal]

Lecter is Chris Bascombe :rolleyes:

[leftpeg]

I've seen Kuyt play 4 times on visits to the netherlands. He's a very effective team player. Reminds me a bit of Kevin Keegan or Mark Hughes. Very hard, working, bustling - will run all day and knows where the goal is. He'll score the odd spectacular.

Sounds like Rafa's kind of player. The fact that he had a pretty quiet World Cup is probably to our advantage.

[bazza76]

is lector respected as someone with insider contacts. I seem to remember him as a regular run of the mill, posting 24/7/365, member and suddenly it was as if he had some kind of super powers over at KT and everyone started looking up to the sky, waiting and bowing to his superior knowledge of the insider workings of Liverpool Football Club.

So my question is. Is Lector a reliable insider or not? I never considered him as "in the know" but somehow everyone else did.
Thats exactly the way i have seen it mate.
I have never read any of his exclusives either.
today private eye posted that Kuyt deal was close, according to his source etc.
then Lecter said the same thing after private eye posted that.
IMO its easy to post a follow up message in the aftermath, but id like to see him coming out with a fresh link that nobody has linked us to before.
Im not saying he is deffo a bullshitter though, we may be wrong. I just like to see more evidence from someone before i believe everything they say.
Its like people saying we are going to sign such and such, when it is plastered all over the papers.

[Shaggy]

Dunno about Lecter myself. A lot of people I like reckon his info his good, and certainly Lecter likes to allow people to assume his source is Carra.

Personally I always felt he revelled in his supposed 'insider' status far too much, took the high ground all the time and spoke as though he was some kind of official LFC spokesman.

[Delinquent]

Sounds like Rafa's kind of player. The fact that he had a pretty quiet World Cup is probably to our advantage.

That's precisely what I thought. If Kuyt had dazzled in the WC, they'd have held out for closer to the £14m figure that was being touted around previously. I think that would have priced us out of the market.

[Howard_lfc]

Whether it's Lecter, PE2, Dunk or anybody else for that matter, I think we're all long enough in the tooth to realise that only a very small percentage of what gets posted on internet forums becomes a reality. So take the information for what it is - somebody's opinion. These aren't guarantees.
Our friend Maestro pointed us towards Kuyt a short while ago - and whilst it hasn't happened (yet) - it was posted in good faith and should be received in the same manner. Let's not start a witch hunt when somebody passes on information - it invariably leads to them stopping posting.

Regarding Kuyt - I'm more confident of him signing now that Rafa has spoken publicly about the need for another striker.

H

[Shaggy]

Whether it's Lecter, PE2, Dunk or anybody else for that matter, I think we're all long enough in the tooth to realise that only a very small percentage of what gets posted on internet forums becomes a reality. So take the information for what it is - somebody's opinion. These aren't guarantees.
Our friend Maestro pointed us towards Kuyt a short while ago - and whilst it hasn't happened (yet) - it was posted in good faith and should be received in the same manner. Let's not start a witch hunt when somebody passes on information - it invariably leads to them stopping posting.

Regarding Kuyt - I'm more confident of him signing now that Rafa has spoken publicly about the need for another striker.

H

:handshake:

[El Jefecito]

is lector respected as someone with insider contacts. I seem to remember him as a regular run of the mill, posting 24/7/365, member and suddenly it was as if he had some kind of super powers over at KT and everyone started looking up to the sky, waiting and bowing to his superior knowledge of the insider workings of Liverpool Football Club.

So my question is. Is Lector a reliable insider or not? I never considered him as "in the know" but somehow everyone else did.
As an ex-GC member I can reliably confirm that his track-record is crap!

[LFCman]

Lecter is sound. He has connections to a couple of our players I believe but it doesn't mean the info he gets is always 100% correct.

He is usually on the ball in his assessment of things.

[Le Chacal]

I always doubt when a poster claims to be an Insider. Thats one of the reason i never paid for KT. All this Dunk saga proved me right.

My opinion is Insiders dont post on forums. simple.

[LFCman]

I don't believe there actually are any "insiders" personally. The only real people that would know are Rafa, Parry and a select few who are involved in the transfer themselves. Also Rafa might discuss with someone like Gerrard and ask for his thoughts, but will he go up to Stevie and say I am we have offered so and so for Kuyt and give him up to the minute details etc? I doubt it.

However there are people that would hear whispers down the grapevine and when they eventually get posted on the net we have to take them with a pinch of salt. Even if true at the time, we all know that things can change in a second in Football. Even Rafa himself could tell us his targets etc and he'd be wrong as to who exactly we get until its done or close to done.

[G_Man]

Lecter: His source gets some things right and some things wrong. Lecter posts them in good faith though. Lecter as a poster on forums seems very knowledgable about football in general and has had a season ticket on the Kop for many years. He knows about LFC and it's players and if I want an informed opion on LFC, he is a good source.

:handshake:

As for Kowt, he has a lot to live up to if he does arrive here, I fear it might be a bit too much for the lad, he's being built up as a goal scoring genius.

[kurtangle01]

the geordies think they have all but signed kuyt according to a member of www.ynwa.tv

[G_Man]

SURELY they haven't got the brass.

[kurtangle01]

SURELY they haven't got the brass.

to be fair they probably do but the story is probably rubbish. there was a link to a barcodes fan site and it was "an insider" who had posted that a bid would be made and accepted on monday.

as i said probaly rubbish but it wouldn't surprise me if they paid £20,000,000 for him. lol.

[G_Man]

Thing is though, the barcodes took a loan out to pay for Owen, I know this as -FACT ;)

They spent a bit on Duf, 5 million, but I don't reckon they've got more than 10 million bones left for this season's budget. They still owe 17 million bones for Owen.

[kurtangle01]

Thing is though, the barcodes took a loan out to pay for Owen, I know this as -FACT ;)

They spent a bit on Duf, 5 million, but I don't reckon they've got more than 10 million bones left for this season's budget. They still owe 17 million bones for Owen.

it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they took a loan out to sign owen. it wouldn't surprise me if fat freddy happened to do the same for "kowt".

if they have another poor season then they must surely be facing financial meltdown similar to leeds.

[G_Man]

They did take out a loan for Owen for the full amount, the money Real owed them was used to pay for other players.
Fat Freddie is a very rich man but he can only stretch it so far. I think with Roedder, they are in big trouble.

[Rich]

Thing I can't get my head around is why, Martin O'Neil has gone to Villa and not to a club like Newcastle....

[G_Man]

Geography allegedly.

He wants to stay in the Midlands with his sick wife and Geordieland was considered too far away. Same for Boro.

[Rich]

Fair enough - you'd have thought that in a three club race between Villa, Newcastle, and Boro, Villa would come third.

It'll be interesting how he gets back to grips with the EPL - he's had six years away after all. That is a long time in Football time. We had Rigobert Song playing for us after all..... ;)

[univofchicago]

Whether it's Lecter, PE2, Dunk or anybody else for that matter, I think we're all long enough in the tooth to realise that only a very small percentage of what gets posted on internet forums becomes a reality. So take the information for what it is - somebody's opinion. These aren't guarantees.
Our friend Maestro pointed us towards Kuyt a short while ago - and whilst it hasn't happened (yet) - it was posted in good faith and should be received in the same manner. Let's not start a witch hunt when somebody passes on information - it invariably leads to them stopping posting.

Regarding Kuyt - I'm more confident of him signing now that Rafa has spoken publicly about the need for another striker.

H

The only so called "insider" that has convinced me is Elisha_Scott of ynwa.

I've never heard of Lecter before, but the way Dunk's aliases...opps...'insiders' just keep cropping up everywhere and turning in stories that are so blatantly made up is an absolute farce.

[Rich]

Lecter always seemed to me, to be a guy that knew his stuff regarding football, and always gave a salient opinion, but didn't have any insider knowledge - then all of a sudden, he seemed to get some contact which enabled him to post 'insider' knowledge.

It's obvious to me that all the leaks that might have occured during Houllier's reign have long since been plugged.

[univofchicago]

It's obvious to me that all the leaks that might have occured during Houllier's reign have long since been plugged.

I was told that there were a number of genuine insiders (none of them associated with Duncan Oldham) with strong contacts at KT during the Houllier era, but that pretty much dissipated when Benitez came in.

[Rich]

So you aren't plumping for Inter Milan for the title....

[univofchicago]

So you aren't plumping for Inter Milan for the title....

I quite fancy AS Roma really...I was impressed with them last season until Totti broke his foot. I think it is more a case of I "want" them to win then I "think" they will win. It would be a nice change if a team outside of the so called 'top three' (AC Milan, Inter, Juventus) won the title.

[ronan]

in recent times i would be more likely to believe the following
tom estd 1892
jh off kt
elisha ynwa
usher tlw (has bits and pieces ,more so to do with the academy)
and thats pretty much it
there have been others in the past who have been fairly reliable but these 4 are whats left imo.

as ever though anything posted on a forum is not to taken 100 per cent ,even if people do post in good faith we all know things can go tits up at any time.

[red g]

anyof the so called insiders always get weeded out pretty quickly....thinkits obvious the ones full of crap there the ones that pretend to be the big i am.

Lecter has always done his best and to be fair was a very good poster with regards to LFC matters.

Evrey transfer can go belly up right until they sign on the dotted line and thats when i believe!!

[red g]

PTP?? says that parry is at Manchester airport and Kuyt is done deal......see the friendlies thread.......

[ronan]

who is ptp?

[red g]

who is ptp?


Never heard of him......est 1892 mvp apparently!!

[Tom]

I was told that there were a number of genuine insiders (none of them associated with Duncan Oldham) with strong contacts at KT during the Houllier era, but that pretty much dissipated when Benitez came in.

There is a lot of truth in this, and also the reason i can't post much information anymore.

One of the things rafa did when he came in is clear out the fitness and medical staff - eventually anyhow. That plugged a very useful leak for me.

Anyhow, as far as kuyt is concerned...

Rafa is in holland this weekend watching him so I doubt that it's tied up. Roeder is there too.

[Tom]

As for Lec, I find him pretty convincing, it does appear that he has some kind of corporate link with the club and definately knows his football. Much more knowledgeable than Jabba the hut anyhow. ;)

[kurtangle01]

There is a lot of truth in this, and also the reason i can't post much information anymore.

One of the things rafa did when he came in is clear out the fitness and medical staff - eventually anyhow. That plugged a very useful leak for me.

Anyhow, as far as kuyt is concerned...

Rafa is in holland this weekend watching him so I doubt that it's tied up. Roeder is there too.

if rafa has gone to watch "kowt" then it must be a good sign that a bid is being prepared.

[The Glove]

Lec is believable as is Archie. Thats only because theyve told me who their sources are.

[MrMichael]

Never heard of him......est 1892 mvp apparently!!

He's a mod here who has the misfortune to go on holiday every time something kicks off big time on KT and our membership doubles. I wasn't aware he had meetings at airports with Parry when doing this though :haha:

[Tom]

Archie is "the duke" on here.

[red g]

He's a mod here who has the misfortune to go on holiday every time something kicks off big time on KT and our membership doubles. I wasn't aware he had meetings at airports with Parry when doing this though :haha:

thatmust be happening quite a lot recently!!

[desertscouser]

Lecter is sound. He has connections to a couple of our players I believe but it doesn't mean the info he gets is always 100% correct.

He is usually on the ball in his assessment of things.

Lecter is one of the few people I trust when it comes to providing snippets of what's going on in the club. Apart from that, his football knowledge is of a very high standard and is an asset to any forum.

[Guest]

Dunno about Lecter myself. A lot of people I like reckon his info his good, and certainly Lecter likes to allow people to assume his source is Carra.

Personally I always felt he revelled in his supposed 'insider' status far too much, took the high ground all the time and spoke as though he was some kind of official LFC spokesman.

Lecter is da man mate. He's the one i'm looking to for insider posts the most on KT. He's been spot on since the 3 years i've been there.

[Guest]

Lecter is one of the few people I trust when it comes to providing snippets of what's going on in the club. Apart from that, his football knowledge is of a very high standard and is an asset to any forum.

agreed. :handshake:

[Guest]

And should i add ... if he lurks there, please join in Chris.

[Redhearts Mum]

There are two people who have any sort of inside information. Elisha Scott and Lecter.

The rest are just bad liars.

Best wishes,
SCarter.

[Guest]

There are two people who have any sort of inside information. Elisha Scott and Lecter.

The rest are just bad liars.

Best wishes,
SCarter.

Are you SCarter ... redheart ? :p

[Shaggy]

Lecter is da man mate. He's the one i'm looking to for insider posts the most on KT. He's been spot on since the 3 years i've been there.

Fair enough. My post appears harsher than I intended.

[Guest]

Fair enough. My post appears harsher than I intended.

No fear syd. :)

[Le Chacal]

Id like to know if Lecter paid to be an Insider/Gold Club member...If he did he's clearly not an "Insider"...

[Guest]

Id like to know if Lecter paid to be an Insider/Gold Club member...If he did he's clearly not an "Insider"...

Care to elaborate ?

[Red_Al_77]

Lecter seems to me to be ok. He seems genuine and is obsessed with football. As to whether he gets more right than wrong it's hard to quantify. He is always a good read though.

[Le Chacal]

Thats really clear mate...How someone who have sources in the club could pay for that internet fool(who's robbing the club)?

It took me a few days to see Dunk's methods, and it was 4 years ago, thats why I never paid for any of his "services"...

If I were an "Insider", the last thing i would do is pay for that pathetic money-graber Duncan.

[Howard_lfc]

Archie is "the duke" on here.

Yeah kinda guessed that - what with all the effing and blinding in his posts.

[Guest]

Don't think Lecter pays ... Dunk quickly made him an HM, like tom.

Lecter and tom were the two posters i looked for info ... also think The Informer is a pure fabrication.

[red g]

Don't think Lecter pays ... Dunk quickly made him an HM, like tom.

Lecter and tom were the two posters i looked for info ... also think The Informer is a pure fabrication.

The Informer was definitely fabricated in my eyes, always thought SCarter was full of it as well !! seemed to rehash the papers whenever he had ahem- info

[Le Chacal]

Don't think Lecter pays ... Dunk quickly made him an HM, like tom.

Lecter and tom were the two posters i looked for info ... also think The Informer is a pure fabrication.

Thats my point, if he pays he's not an "Insider"...
Actually, I dont think there is any "Insider" on KT or any forums...

[rushscored4]

Don't think Lecter pays ... Dunk quickly made him an HM, like tom. Lecter and tom were the two posters i looked for info ... also think The Informer is a pure fabrication.

I didn't realise there was a football forum here as well... :o

I'm a so-called 'Honorary Member' but my £26.00 renewal was still taken by Paypal last week. :miffed:

Anyway, since Kenny007, Tom20148, Cricket69 and Tom left KT I think there is only one member IMHO who has any genuine sources connected to the club for transfer info and that's Johnny H. Lecter seems a genuine guy, though, and I read whatever he posts with interest. He's one of only a few 'old school' members left on KT with any credibility (present company excepted of course).

Away from transfer gossip I have a good mate who works for the architects that have designed the new stadium (he worked on the early plans himself) so I sometimes get interesting snippets of info about what's happening which I will post on here in future. I saw him briefly last night and would have asked him for an update but he was completely shit-faced by 8pm (and I wasn't far behind him!) :D

[Le Chacal]

I didn't realise there was a football forum here as well... :o

I'm a so-called 'Honorary Member' but my £26.00 renewal was still taken by Paypal last week. :miffed:

Anyway, since Kenny007, Tom20148, Cricket69 and Tom left KT I think there is only one member IMHO who has any genuine sources connected to the club for transfer info and that's Johnny H. Lecter seems a genuine guy, though, and I read whatever he posts with interest. He's one of only a few 'old school' members left on KT with any credibility (present company excepted of course).

Away from transfer gossip I have a good mate who works for the architects that have designed the new stadium (he worked on the early plans himself) so I sometimes get interesting snippets of info about what's happening which I will post on here in future. I saw him briefly last night and would have asked him for an update but he was completely shit-faced by 8pm (and I wasn't far behind him!) :D

How old are you?:rolleyes: :shake:

[Shaggy]

How old are you?:rolleyes: :shake:

Probably older than you. :rolleyes:

[Guest]

I saw him briefly last night and would have asked him for an update but he was completely shit-faced by 8pm (and I wasn't far behind him!) [/n]:D

Wouldn't have thought that from you. Thought you were a serious executive. :D

[Le Chacal]

Probably older than you. :rolleyes:

I'd have concerns then...

Honorary member, User of this site (He must know the blog) and still you get robbed by Dunk...

Very very childish.:rolleyes:

[Kaip]

I'd have concerns then...

Honorary member, User of this site (He must know the blog) and still you get robbed by Dunk...

Very very childish.:rolleyes:



:whatever: :whatever:

[Le Chacal]

Nah these days are way behind me...

He is the teenager:D

PS: Rush: honestly, dont you think you're a bit naive on the issue?

[Redhearts Mum]

Id like to know if Lecter paid to be an Insider/Gold Club member...If he did he's clearly not an "Insider"...

Lecter is a mate. I'm fortunate enough to know who his contact is. If you did, you'd zip it.

[jubal]

Yeah, if you knew about the peanut fetishes in the Liverpool dressing room you wouldn't say shit about Lecter.

[Redhearts Mum]

Yeah, if you knew about the peanut fetishes in the Liverpool dressing room you wouldn't say shit about Lecter.

http://www.platinumclub.net/img/logo/logo_small_black150x110.jpg

[red g]

Lecter is a mate. I'm fortunate enough to know who his contact is. If you did, you'd zip it.

he actuallysaid who it was on KT , he quickly pulled it though....but it was up for a little while ( looks for the insider smiley.....oh wrong forum) :)

[Redhearts Mum]

he actuallysaid who it was on KT , he quickly pulled it though....but it was up for a little while ( looks for the insider smiley.....oh wrong forum) :)


Nah mate, it was never Carlton Palmer. That was a wind up.

[Le Chacal]

Lecter is a mate. I'm fortunate enough to know who his contact is. If you did, you'd zip it.

You see its posts like this that make me doubt about "Insiders". You really sound like Dunk actually:rolleyes:

Jubal: I didnt say any "shit" about Lecter. He's a respected member on KT, good for him. I just always have my doubts about self-proclaimed "Insiders".
And a real "Insider" would never pay for KT.

[nigecardiff]

that's cool, I wasn't completely sure on how lector is percieved by other people but thanks peeps for clarifying that he is genuine. and he does know his stuff on footie and our club too from his posts.

[Guest]

Nah mate, it was never Carlton Palmer. That was a wind up.

I'm confused ? Are you the phlid ?

I mean, the Doctor who winds up people on koptalk ? :)

[Redhearts Mum]

You see its posts like this that make me doubt about "Insiders". You really sound like Dunk actually:rolleyes:

Jubal: I didnt say any "shit" about Lecter. He's a respected member on KT, good for him. I just always have my doubts about self-proclaimed "Insiders".
And a real "Insider" would never pay for KT.


I do, do I? Ohhhkkkaaaayyy then. You'll have paid so much attention to the thread then, you'll have completely missed the previous page where I said that there were 2 people who know stuff and the rest are liars.

Oh and Lec isn't self proclaiming.

[Redhearts Mum]

I'm confused ? Are you the phlid ?

I mean, the Doctor who winds up people on koptalk ? :)


Dr Fox?

The Haber of Dash.

[Guest]

Dr Fox?

The Haber of Dash.

Dr. Redheart. :D

[Redhearts Mum]

Dr. Redheart. :D


Ah I see. If you see Henchoz, he owes me a refund or my trainers back.

[Rocket]

what university does redheart supposedly lecture at?

i want to find a picture of the twat

[Redhearts Mum]

University of Backbirth

[Guest]

what university does redheart supposedly lecture at?

i want to find a picture of the twat

:)

His tone is a little different in here though. :D

[Rocket]

thanks

:crackoff:

[Redhearts Mum]

thanks

:crackoff:


:handshake:

[kurtangle01]

in today's echo bascombe says that kuyt only wants to play for us and that we just have to find the money.

[Le Chacal]

I do, do I? Ohhhkkkaaaayyy then. You'll have paid so much attention to the thread then, you'll have completely missed the previous page where I said that there were 2 people who know stuff and the rest are liars.

Oh and Lec isn't self proclaiming.

I read your posts and I wasnt talking about Lecter in particular when i said "self-proclaimed"...Well actually when someone says he has inside sources, its quite "self-proclaiming" in a certain way...

Im maybe too cautious, but I take everything what is said on internet forums with a pinch of salt, whether you are Dunk, Wallet, Lecter, DJ Syd, Brendan or anyone else...
And I was proved right more often than not.

[rushscored4]

I'd have concerns then...

Honorary member, User of this site (He must know the blog) and still you get robbed by Dunk...

Very very childish.:rolleyes:

Nice to see you're so concerned about my finances, Jackal, but if you'd bothered reading a previous thread in the Koptalk section you'd have seen that I'd paid by Paypal a year ago but forgot it was an annual automatic renewal. Shit happens, eh... :o

As I still frequent KT using the same name I'm not that arsed but just for your information - as this is obviously a bigger issue for you than me - I have now cancelled the Paypal subscription. :rolleyes:

[Le Chacal]

Ah I see. If you see Henchoz, he owes me a refund or my trainers back.

I saw Henchoz last night actually.

[GerrardsSocks17]

I read your posts and I wasnt talking about Lecter in particular when i said "self-proclaimed"...Well actually when someone says he has inside sources, its quite "self-proclaiming" in a certain way...

Im maybe too cautious, but I take everything what is said on internet forums with a pinch of salt, whether you are Dunk, Wallet, Lecter, DJ Syd, Brendan or anyone else...
And I was proved right more often than not.

On this occasion, Redhearts Mum is right. Most people know Lec is sound, a fortunate few know who his contact is.

I'm not sure how many times you want to keep banging on about it, suffice to say, Lec is as close as it comes to the real deal, so drop I suggest dropping it.

[Guest]

On this occasion, Redhearts Mum is right. Most people know Lec is sound, a fortunate few know who his contact is.

I'm not sure how many times you want to keep banging on about it, suffice to say, Lec is as close as it comes to the real deal, so drop I suggest dropping it.

Welcome. :handshake:

[GerrardsSocks17]

I saw Henchoz last night actually.


Excellent news. How was his titfer?

[GerrardsSocks17]

Welcome. :handshake:

Hey Fredo.

[Guest]

Hey Fredo.

How'r you doing ?

[desertscouser]

On this occasion, Redhearts Mum is right. Most people know Lec is sound, a fortunate few know who his contact is.

I'm not sure how many times you want to keep banging on about it, suffice to say, Lec is as close as it comes to the real deal, so drop I suggest dropping it.

Alright Simon :handshake:

[GerrardsSocks17]

I am, as ever, in good spirits.

[GerrardsSocks17]

Alright Simon :handshake:

Hey Sami........how are you mate?

[Guest]

I am, as ever, in good spirits.

Good ... what about bringing up that old nice avatar then? :)

[Le Chacal]

Nice to see you're so concerned about my finances, Jackal, but if you'd bothered reading a previous thread in the Koptalk section you'd have seen that I'd paid by Paypal a year ago but forgot it was an annual automatic renewal. Shit happens, eh... :o

As I still frequent KT using the same name I'm not that arsed but just for your information - as this is obviously a bigger issue for you than me - I have now cancelled the Paypal subscription. :rolleyes:

Not an issue for me at all... You should have know it was an automatical renewal (Its quite frequent actually)...Its just a shame your £26 went into Dunk's pocket...
Its naive people like you that makes KT survive...

[jubal]

Jubal: I didnt say any "shit" about Lecter. He's a respected member on KT, good for him.


It was said in mirth, jackalboy. Who could ever write a serious sentence about a peanut fetish? Jesus. I can laugh and I haven't got any legs. Lighten up.

[Shaggy]

Its naive people like you that makes KT survive...

Good grief.

[Red_Al_77]

Good afternoon Simon.

[desertscouser]

Hey Sami........how are you mate?

Pretty over worked at the moment but apart from that I'm chilling, waiting for the new season to get underway.

Your good self?

[GerrardsSocks17]

Good ... what about bringing up that old nice avatar then? :)


If I knew where I'd left her..............

[GerrardsSocks17]

Good afternoon Simon.


Good day Ironside.

[Le Chacal]

Excellent news. How was his titfer?

I just said hello, he was walking with his wife...I dont know, Im not an "Insider".

He might be looking for a club in switzerland.

[desertscouser]

Good afternoon Simon.

Afternoon Al

[GerrardsSocks17]

Pretty over worked at the moment but apart from that I'm chilling, waiting for the new season to get underway.

Your good self?


Very well thanks mate. All the better for hearing from you.

[GerrardsSocks17]

I just said hello, he was walking with his wife...I dont know, Im not an "Insider".

He might be looking for a club in switzerland.

Would you care for some sugar for that high horse?

You clearly didn't see the correct Henchoz, if Redhearts Mum is referring to footwear.

[Le Chacal]

It was said in mirth, jackalboy. Who could ever write a serious sentence about a peanut fetish? Jesus. I can laugh and I haven't got any legs. Lighten up.

:handshake: english is not my mother language.

[desertscouser]

Very well thanks mate. All the better for hearing from you.

Good to see some of the old crew back again. Long may it continue..

[Red_Al_77]

Afternoon Al


...and to you Sami. :D

[Red_Al_77]

Good day Ironside.

I have missed the banter. Things have moved on a touch though.

[jubal]

:handshake: english is not my mother language.


You're foreignese? Fair play.

[jubal]

I have missed the banter. Things have moved on a touch though.


You got promoted to door duty at Sainsbury's?

[Le Chacal]

Would you care for some sugar for that high horse?

You clearly didn't see the correct Henchoz, if Redhearts Mum is referring to footwear.

I only know one Henchoz. The one who gave us the FA Cup in 2001:D

[Guest]

You're foreignese? Fair play.

Do you still live in Lebanon mate ?

[GerrardsSocks17]

I have missed the banter. Things have moved on a touch though.

In what respect? You're not a traffic warden anymore?

[GerrardsSocks17]

Do you still live in Lebanon mate ?


Jubal IS Lebanon.

[Le Chacal]

You're foreignese? Fair play.

Oui étranger. Merci.

[desertscouser]

Do you still live in Lebanon mate ?

Fredo, let's leave Lebanon out of it :D

[Red_Al_77]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/stampal/lol.gif

[Guest]

Fredo, let's leave Lebanon out of it :D

Sorry ... :crackoff:

[jubal]

Do you still live in Lebanon mate ?


I live in a cellar.

And that's not a euphemism. I've sensed the odour of l'eau du homme on some of you posts and know how your mind works.

[jubal]

Oui étranger. Merci.


Are you German?

[rushscored4]

Not an issue for me at all... You should have know it was an automatical renewal (Its quite frequent actually)...Its just a shame your £26 went into Dunk's pocket...
Its naive people like you that makes KT survive...

Normally I'd take the time to post a long-winded, witty reposte to childish, ill-informed comments like yours but I really can't be arsed so I'll borrow this appropriate response from kaip:

:whatever:

[jubal]

Leave him alone. He's German and trying hard to speak English. You try talking to him in kraut before you have a pop at him.

[Le Chacal]

Normally I'd take the time to post a long-winded, witty reposte to childish, ill-informed comments like yours but I really can't be arsed so I'll borrow this appropriate response from kaip:

:whatever:
I confirm: very childish.:D

[desertscouser]

Sorry ... :crackoff:

:D

[GerrardsSocks17]

Is Kaip on here as well? Dirk Kaip?

[Guest]

I live in a cellar.

And that's not a euphemism. I've sensed the odour of l'eau du homme on some of you posts and know how your mind works.

Good good ... we could be friends then. :handshake:

[Le Chacal]

Leave him alone. He's German and trying hard to speak English. You try talking to him in kraut before you have a pop at him.

German haha:D

[Guest]

Is Kaip on here as well? Dirk Kaip?

Kaip ... he is ... gheyer by the day i should say ...

[Rocket]

Is Kaip on here as well? Dirk Kaip?


yes, when he's not having a :whatever:

[jubal]

Good good ... we could be friends then. :handshake:


Okay. But if you try to hold my hand I'm screaming rape and rolling away as fast as I can.

[GerrardsSocks17]

I have missed the banter. Things have moved on a touch though.


So come on Ironside, what's 'moved on a touch?'

[Guest]

Okay. But if you try to hold my hand I'm screaming rape and rolling away as fast as I can.

I thought your hands were gone too ? :o

[GerrardsSocks17]

I thought your hands were gone too ? :o

Never heard of remote control?

[jubal]

I've got them, but they're next to useless as my old chap don't work.

[Guest]

Never heard of remote control?

He can't even remotely touch that thing.

[Le Chacal]

Are you German?

You really must have been hit by an Israeli missile:rolleyes:

[Guest]

I've got them, but they're next to useless as my old chap don't work.

I see ... you're close to being a veg then. I pity you ... Would dearly love to groom you and hand you back to Kaip.

[jubal]

Come opn. Even a cripple wouldn't lay with a Taffy.

[jubal]

You really must have been hit by an Israeli missile:rolleyes:



I thought you lot were supposed to be neutral?

[Guest]

Come opn. Even a cripple wouldn't lay with a Taffy.

:handshake:

[GerrardsSocks17]

I thought you lot were supposed to be neutral?

Fuck neutral.........everyone hates the Welsh.

Oh wait.............

[Redhearts Mum]

He's right. Nowt worse than a Welshie.

[GerrardsSocks17]

See?

[Le Chacal]

I thought you lot were supposed to be neutral?
What has neutrality to do with what I said?

I like when people come and talk to me about switzerkand...Yoddle, cuckoo and neutrality...3 words.

Come on Jubal, Im sure you can do better than that...well im not that sure actually

[GerrardsSocks17]

What has neutrality to do with what I said?

I like when people come and talk to me about switzerkand...Yoddle, cuckoo and neutrality...3 words.

Come on Jubal, Im sure you can do better than that...well im not that sure actually

The FUCK is a Yoddle?

[Rocket]

He's right. Nowt worse than a Welshie.


racist :crackoff:

[GerrardsSocks17]

Rhodri, you know he's right.

[jubal]

The FUCK is a Yoddle?


A feather shaped dildo cast from melted down Nazi gold. They all sit on them.

[Le Chacal]

The FUCK is a Yoddle?

Watch your language Gerrard, there are a lot of naive innocent kids in the place...:rolleyes:

Yoddle is the traditional singing/dancing from the swiss alps...I, like 99% of swiss people, never practised it...

[Red_Al_77]

Little man goes red, another one goes green. :D

[Le Chacal]

A feather shaped dildo cast from melted down Nazi gold. They all sit on them.

Ha Jubal! that is better... You raised a few steps in my estime even though that statement was very derigatory of the swiss people...

[Kaip]

Good evening to one and all

[Le Chacal]

Is it the same as Spunkbin, the ancient practice of posting bollocks under the name Le Chacal?

funny kid:D

[Red_Al_77]

:handshake:

[Rocket]

Good evening to one and all

how's it going fella :handshake:

[univofchicago]

German haha:D

Let me guess...you are French? Le Chacal sounds very French to me...

English is also not my first language btw...

It's not even my second language...hahahaha...

[Rocket]

English is my second language too, its a pretty shite language isn't it

[Le Chacal]

Let me guess...you are French? Le Chacal sounds very French to me...

English is also not my first language btw...

It's not even my second language...hahahaha...
Read the previous posts, and you'll see where I come from...

[univofchicago]

English is my second language too, its a pretty shite language isn't it

Yeah, I hate it. And wouldn't it be nice if we had native English speaking people speak our languages instead of the other way round?

[univofchicago]

Read the previous posts, and you'll see where I come from...

Ah...I got it! :D

[Le Chacal]

Im swiss, from Lausanne and french is my 1st language.
Im not yoddling, havent got a cuckoo clock and I've got my own political opinions which are quite different than the ones from the swiss government.

Ok?ok.

[Hollowman]

Yeah, I hate it. And wouldn't it be nice if we had native English speaking people speak our languages instead of the other way round?


Privilages of stamping all over second rate parts of the world in the nineteenth century.

[univofchicago]

Privilages of stamping all over second rate parts of the world in the nineteenth century.

Hate to admit it but very true :(

[Le Chacal]

Id say its more about the emergence of United States as the world super power during the 20th century...

[univofchicago]

Id say its more about the emergence of United States as the world super power during the 20th century...

True.

In my case, its more to do with the fact that most countries here (Korea, Japan, China) are export-orientated. And when it comes to dealing with client relationships/projects, everything is handled in English (whether the client comes from the States or not...). It is so annoying...

I work at Debt Capital Markets (or will be soon), and our target market is Korea, and occasionally China. Yet, interviews are conducted in English...pitchbooks are in English...comparative company analysis are in English...database is in English...everything has to be in English...

[Guest]

Privilages of stamping all over second rate parts of the world in the nineteenth century.

Could Jubal and Hollowman post at the same time please ? :)

[Rocket]

this is quite the most off topic thread i've ever seen.

well done people. nobody cares much are dirk kaip anyway :handshake:

[univofchicago]

this is quite the most off topic thread i've ever seen.

well done people. nobody cares much are dirk kaip anyway :handshake:

LOL :D

[Revo]

kuyt for 10 mill will be good bizniss

[nigecardiff]

yay back on topic :handshake:

[gerrard8]

I have a mate who lives in Amsterdam and he says that Kuyt is very much in the Ian Rush mold of play...he likes to play off defenders shoulders (thats got to be cheating but hey.....who am I to complain) He scores a lot of tap in's and is said in Holland is very lucky with goals with the ball hitting him on the knee and bum etc...sound familiar to Rushie!!
Apparently he is great in the air...I think this is the key to why Rafa wants him....Rafa has mentioned nothing but this for 2 years now that we need to get the ball in the box and create more possibilities!

[GerrardsSocks17]

This is what Kuyt does well:

He scores goals; he drops deeper and then brings others into play; he holds the ball up well; he's strong; he's very good in the air; he works hard defensively. Oh and did I say he scores goals?

[nigecardiff]

and he reminds us of goonies nostalgia

[Shaggy]

Scary.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Sean13/Dirk-Kuit.jpg

[AnfieldForever]

Sorry!

http://www.me.berkeley.edu/~gard0158/sloth_files/image002.jpg

[kurtangle01]

This is what Kuyt does well:

He scores goals; he drops deeper and then brings others into play; he holds the ball up well; he's strong; he's very good in the air; he works hard defensively. Oh and did I say he scores goals?


that's what we all said about nando!

[Shaggy]

I'd agree with those 'pros' about Kuyt based on what little I've seen of him (I'd add he's a bit 'shoot on sight' and scores from all sorts of angles) but there are also cons.

He's rather slow, his first touch isn't the best and he isn't particularly mobile.

I haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to evaluate him properly, but those are my impressions. If Rafa thinks he'll do a good job for us, that's good enough for me. He usually gets it right.

[kurtangle01]

I'd agree with those 'pros' about Kuyt based on what little I've seen of him (I'd add he's a bit 'shoot on sight' and scores from all sorts of angles) but there are also cons.

He's rather slow, his first touch isn't the best and he isn't particularly mobile.

I haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to evaluate him properly, but those are my impressions. If Rafa thinks he'll do a good job for us, that's good enough for me. He usually gets it right.

i think he'd settle in well to be fair. he has a few bad points but, to be fair, the good far outwiegh the bad.

[rushscored4]

This is what Kuyt does well:

He scores goals; he drops deeper and then brings others into play; he holds the ball up well; he's strong; he's very good in the air; he works hard defensively. Oh and did I say he scores goals?

Yeah, but does he score goals? :confused:

[kurtangle01]

Yeah, but does he score goals? :confused:

:haha:

[GerrardsSocks17]

that's what we all said about nando!

I don't think any of us mistook Morientes for being 'strong'.

[GerrardsSocks17]

I'd agree with those 'pros' about Kuyt based on what little I've seen of him (I'd add he's a bit 'shoot on sight' and scores from all sorts of angles) but there are also cons.

He's rather slow, his first touch isn't the best and he isn't particularly mobile.

I haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to evaluate him properly, but those are my impressions. If Rafa thinks he'll do a good job for us, that's good enough for me. He usually gets it right.


Personally I've seen him a decent amount and he's deceptively quick and I've never had an issue with his touch. And immobility? Not buying it.

[GerrardsSocks17]

Yeah, but does he score goals? :confused:


Couldn't hit a cows ass with a banjo.

[kurtangle01]

I don't think any of us mistook Morientes for being 'strong'.

he certainly looked strong when he played for real an monaco.

[GerrardsSocks17]

he certainly looked strong when he played for real an monaco.

Not Premiership strong and not particularly strong on the ball, in leagues - La Liga and Le Championnat, where you get time on the ball. You're not shut down immediately like you are in the Premiership.

[Shaggy]

Naturally I hope I'm wrong regarding any deficiencies Kuyt may have and, as I said, I've not really seen too much of him.

The main worry I have is the pace issue. I'm nitpicking really but say we buy Kuyt - of the four strikers only Bellamy possesses the pace we need to stretch teams. If he's injured or, more likely, suspended, then we're struggling for pace up front.

I do hope he's deceptively quick.

[kurtangle01]

Not Premiership strong and not particularly strong on the ball, in leagues - La Liga and Le Championnat, where you get time on the ball. You're not shut down immediately like you are in the Premiership.

that's a fair point but he hardly looked weak against chelsea in the CL semi-final a few years ago.

[kurtangle01]

Naturally I hope I'm wrong regarding any deficiencies Kuyt may have and, as I said, I've not really seen too much of him.

The main worry I have is the pace issue. I'm nitpicking really but say we buy Kuyt - of the four strikers only Bellamy possesses the pace we need to stretch teams. If he's injured or, more likely, suspended, then we're struggling for pace up front.

I do hope he's deceptively quick.

he's not as quick as bellamy but i wouldn't say he was as slow as crouch or robbie. i could be wrong though because i've only seen him play a full game a handful of times.

[G_Man]

I've got a nagging doub about Kuyt too but I am also not an officianardo. I've seen him probably half a dozen times on Ch5 and playing for the Dutch in the world cup.
I think it's his perceived lack of pace that bothers me too. His movement seemed good but his perceived lack of pace allows defenders to close him down.
I hope Rafa gets his first choice signing and if that is Kuyt then all well and good. Lets hope he shines.

[Jan-Erik]

I rate Kuyt highly. He's the perfect Rafaplayer. He's not slow, but not very quick either. His workrate is brilliant, works his socks off. And most importantly, he's a goalscorer. I really hope we sign this guy.

[TheStig]

I haven't seen enough of Kuyt to comment really, what I will say is that I don't think we'll sign him until we're guarunteed the CL group stages.

[REDSCOUSER]

Kuyt is a very good player for a decent team. Once he's signed for LFC he'll be even better. With better players around him such as Gerrard, Alonso and Fowler he will improve.
The lad is made for the PREM. He brings POSSIBILITIES. ;)

[FowlerLeftFoot]

any idea when he will be signing? or we are going to screw up in the last minute like the last 2 seasons?

[nebbers]

At least we know who his dad is..


http://www.liverpool.is/myndasafn/profiles/profile_hyypia_180x220.gif

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b107/seven-weblog/Dirk_Kuyt_7.jpg

[TheElephantMan]

And his mum?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/images/badsurgery.jpg

[dww]

I don't think the need for pace up front is as important as it was last year as we can now play Gonzales, Pennant and Gerrard in the same midfield who all have decent pace and mean people should be able to join attacks much more quickly.

Kuyt seems reasonably pacy, nothing special but no slouch. I think his type of player would be ideal. Besides I'm all for ugly looking players of immense talent.

[Tom]

He's rather slow, his first touch isn't the best and he isn't particularly mobile.


Wrong, he's mobile strong, very strong and has a decent, if not electric, turn of pace.

[dww]

I take it you agree about his touch then?

[Davie]

On this occasion, Redhearts Mum is right. Most people know Lec is sound, a fortunate few know who his contact is.

I'm not sure how many times you want to keep banging on about it, suffice to say, Lec is as close as it comes to the real deal, so drop I suggest dropping it.

What he said

[The Duke]

What he said

what they said

[Tom]

what they said
Yeah Lec's alright. Someone tell him to start posting on here again.

[red g]

Wrong, he's mobile strong, very strong and has a decent, if not electric, turn of pace.

closest thing to a young alan shearer, the thing i like about him is the variety of goals he scores

[Shaggy]

I take it you agree about his touch then?

:D

Must do.

I'm not buying this "deceptively quick" talk. It's a euphemism for "pretty slow", but hey-ho, I hope we sign him....certainly in preference to Defoe.

[GerrardsSocks17]

:D

Must do.

I'm not buying this "deceptively quick" talk. It's a euphemism for "pretty slow", but hey-ho, I hope we sign him....certainly in preference to Defoe.

No, what it means is that he's quicker than he looks, especially over short distances.

[Shaggy]

No, what it means is that he's quicker than he looks, especially over short distances.

Sincerely hope so. Sort of the opposite to Riise...who appears to be quick but in actual fact virtually treads water when he runs.

[Shanks65]

Kuyt set one up and scored one this afternoon Vs Boro

[Shaggy]

Kuyt set one up and scored one this afternoon Vs Boro

Did he now? Interesting, what with Rafa supposedly over there watching him.

I still think he'll be ours, regardless of the Defoe rumours.

[Shanks65]

Did he now? Interesting, what with Rafa supposedly over there watching him.

I still think he'll be ours, regardless of the Defoe rumours.

I think we'll land him too. The Defoe rumours are bobbins IMO.

[Shanks65]

http://home.skysports.com/list.asp?hlid=408151&CPID=34&clid=25&lid=2&title=Boro+slump+to+another+loss

[pali]

is there any sign of this transfer happening? kuyt was seen at melwood before?

[ronan]

Kuyt set one up and scored one this afternoon Vs Boro

any chance of anyone getting highlights somewhere of todays action?

[red g]

is there any sign of this transfer happening? kuyt was seen at melwood before?

yes but that was by the bloke who d*nk pays :D

[pali]

:D just like i thought before:crackoff:

[Lecter]

Yeah Lec's alright. Someone tell him to start posting on here again.

:sigh:

Cant believe Archie has been banned talk about shooting yourself in the foot

Still nevermind

[Hamstrung]

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liverpoolfc/0100news/tm_objectid=17522520%26method=full%26siteid=50061% 26headline=traore%2dpoised%2dfor%2d%2dpound%2d2m%2 dmove-name_page.html