tonights team

[ronan]

from the offal.

LIVERPOOL: Scott Carson, Jan Kromkamp, Jamie Carragher, Sami Hyypia, Djimi Traore, Bolo Zenden, Steven Gerrard, Xabi Alonso, Jermaine Pennant, Peter Crouch, Craig Bellamy.

SUBS: Jerzy Dudek, Lee Peltier, Jack Hobbs, Gabriel Paletta, John Arne Riise, Paul Anderson, Salif Diao, Momo Sissoko, Luis Garcia.

gearing up towards a first xi
bit suprised to see the new viera still involved though

[andyinswinton]

I supposed the new Vieira has to do something to justify his salary, even if it is getting changed in and out of his kit. He is fast becoming the new Bogarde for sitting on his arse doing nothing.

I would expect that with a few obvious changes that this will be the team for the Haifa game next week. Hopefully they will put on a good performance.

[Le Chacal]

What are you on?...We all know he's not good enough for us but blaming him for his salary is simply ludicrous. He was loaned a couple of times which means he's not only here to sit on the bench and get his wages. Just to remind you, the club offered him this contract.

[andyinswinton]

I'm not blaming him for his salary at all. It was a tounge in cheek comment that he is getting well paid to put on his kit and then take it off again because he won't be getting on the pitch.

[Finnish_Red]

Anyone able to give some updates from the game?

[LFCman]

0-0 19 mins gone.

Not done much so far, Carson just made save to his left.

[Shaggy]

0-0 19 mins gone.

Not done much so far, Carson just made save to his left.

Are you watching on e-season ticket or something?

[Guest]

Are you watching on e-season ticket or something?

Listening to it on e season right now. Doesn't seem that we're playing very well.

[stevenage_kop]

is e-season worth the money been thinking about getting it?

[LFCman]

Ha, I wish, I'm on dial up. But I am registered and they have a min by min and audio comm. Plus I am logged into Kop Chat.

[LFCman]

is e-season worth the money been thinking about getting it?

I've got dial up and I love it so yes. It's not that expensive and at least we know the money is going to the club. :handshake:

[Guest]

Ha, I wish, I'm on dial up. But I am registered and they have a min by min and audio comm. Plus I am logged into Kop Chat.

Time you go for broadband mate...it's been a while since you've been on dial up ... that's dark ages to me .. ;)

[LFCman]

Ohhh how I have tried mate. I am too far away from the exchange to get it. :(

Sucks because I am 15 mins away from the city yet I have relatives who live out in the country and they can bloody get it!

[Guest]

Ohhh how I have tried mate. I am too far away from the exchange to get it. :(

Sucks because I am 15 mins away from the city yet I have relatives who live out in the country and they can bloody get it!

Don't you have wireless there ? We have wimax here in mauritius.

[Red_Al_77]

I'm watching it. Carson seems to have swallowed some hyperactive pills. We are passing well and look very solid if unspectacular.

[LFCman]

Don't you have wireless there ? We have wimax here in mauritius.

We have satellite but that is too expensive and I have applied for wireless with a local company but I have to wait till they expand as their service is full up. Other wireless services are shite though in terms of bandwidth etc.

All our telephone lines etc are owned by Telstra here and everyone hates them. Our whole system is a joke and there has been petitions etc from my area about broadband but still nothing has been done. It's a farce.

[LFCman]

30 mins in, Gerrard beats two and drags his shot wide

[Le Chacal]

is e-season worth the money been thinking about getting it?
join the Gold Club instead:p

[kurtangle01]

I'm watching it. Carson seems to have swallowed some hyperactive pills. We are passing well and look very solid if unspectacular.

any decent chances yet mate?

[LFCman]

any decent chances yet mate?

For Mainz yes, for us only a couple Gerrard shots.

[ronan]

I'm watching it. Carson seems to have swallowed some hyperactive pills. We are passing well and look very solid if unspectacular.


tease :D

[kurtangle01]

For Mainz yes, for us only a couple Gerrard shots.

we should be getting close to our best for the CL qualifier so hopefully we'll step it up a notch in the 2nd half.

[LFCman]

HT 0-0

Friendles = yawn.

[kurtangle01]

HT 0-0

Friendles = yawn.

as i said hopefully the team will step it up in the 2nd half.

[stevenage_kop]

at least we arent losing tho

[Shaggy]

Friendlies really are fucking boring though. Can't remember the last time I saw a good 'un.

[stevenage_kop]

hopefully wednesday will have a bit of excitement

[Riddler]

We are playing pretty poorly , it picked up a bit before the end of the half ,but not very fluid moves , Pennant looks good.

[LFCman]

FFS, and we are down again. Our defence is as bad as blunderland.

[El Jefecito]

Any subs?

[kurtangle01]

FFS, and we are down again. Our defence is as bad as blunderland.

1-0 down?:rant:

[LFCman]

Paletta on, Hyypia off.
Anderson on, Pennant off.

Kromkamp stuffed it for their goal.

49 mins in. 0-1.

[El Jefecito]

Not been impressed w/Kromkamp. Alves please :)

[Guest]

We're doing an Everton this year.

[kurtangle01]

Not been impressed w/Kromkamp. Alves please :)

not going to happen. well not this summer anyway.

[kurtangle01]

We're doing an Everton this year.

i suppose that it's better to get mistakes out of our system in games like this than in a proper competetive game.

we had better sort it out before wednesday though!

[LFCman]

Zenden had a chance which was saved.

0-1, 58 mins in.

For those that don't know, the Mancs beat Porto 3-1 earlier BUT Rooney got sent off for an elbow and Scholes also got sent off. :D

Inter are 1-0 up over Ajax atm too and as I type this there is a punch up in that game. :D

[Guest]

i suppose that it's better to get mistakes out of our system in games like this than in a proper competetive game.

we had better sort it out before wednesday though!

Hope that it's the training schedule because we sound cack at the moment ...

Fuck ... Diao is coming on. :o

[Tom]

Diao is coming on - it gets worse....

[LFCman]

Peltier on, Kromkamp off.
Riise on, Zenden off.
Diao on, Bellamy off.
Sissoko on, Alonso off.

[LFCman]

Diao with an overhead kick which goes wide. :p

[Guest]

Diao is coming on - it gets worse....

He even dares an overhead kick. Could kill some pigeons with that.

[Red_Al_77]

2-0 now that was awful defending.

[LFCman]

2 down. Have Milan changed their name to Mainz ffs?

[Tom]

b0llocks. 2-0 shit defending......again....

[stevenage_kop]

wot the f@#k is goin on. last year our defence was amazing.

now its just sh@t. Hope rafa sorts it out for wednesday plus we gota beat the chavski in community shield as well

[kurtangle01]

b0llocks. 2-0 shit defending......again....

we need to cut these mistakes out.

who's fault this time?

[Jan-Erik]

Will be interesting to see how we'll do on wednesday. Havent done too well in these friendlys.

[Shaggy]

for fucks sake

[LFCman]

Diao LMAO, what a tool. A couple wild challenges.

[Red_Al_77]

we need to cut these mistakes out.

who's fault this time?

Peltier

[Mumsafan]

Will be interesting to see how we'll do on wednesday. Havent done too well in these friendlys.


Hello mate!



At least we still have 11 on the pitch :D

[Mumsafan]

Peltier



Rafa's fault! Sack him!

[Jan-Erik]

Peltier

I've been a bit impressed by him. Looks like a good prospect.

[LFCman]

Garcia on, Gerrard off.

Anderson chance well saved.

[kurtangle01]

Rafa's fault! Sack him!


:haha:

indeed!

[Jan-Erik]

Hello mate!



At least we still have 11 on the pitch :D

:D
Hello, Sara...

[kurtangle01]

ah well it's only pre-season.

as i said it's better to make mistakes in these games than the important ones.

only the 2nd game back for crouchie, carra, stevie and luis and only the first for xabi.

it WILL get better!

[Bob]

I'm watching it. Carson seems to have swallowed some hyperactive pills. We are passing well and look very solid if unspectacular.

The Live thread is a spectacular train wreck Al. Like babbies walking into walls the lot of em.

titters

[Jan-Erik]

ah well it's only pre-season.

as i said it's better to make mistakes in these games than the important ones.

only the 2nd game back for crouchie, carra, stevie and luis and only the first for xabi.

it WILL get better!

Lets just hope they stop making these mistakes after this game.

[kurtangle01]

Lets just hope they stop making these mistakes after this game.


hopefully we will mate.

[LFCman]

"Salif Diao in a fight here..."

What the heck is doing?!

Hobbs on, Carra off.

[stevenage_kop]

wot!?

[Guest]

diao's was given a 6 year contract by GH according to Hunter ... fuck

[kopite]

Daio the fukkin loon tackling like that ,the stupid tw@t,2 footed scissor tackle
its only a friendly,save it for chelski

[stevenage_kop]

lets just pay diao off and release him

[Shaggy]

"Salif Diao in a fight here..."

What the heck is doing?!


:haha: :haha:

[kurtangle01]

Daio the fukkin loon tackling like that ,the stupid tw@t,2 footed scissor tackle
its only a friendly,save it for chelski

hopefully he goes quite soon.

[LFCman]

Garcia goes past a few players to have his shot saved at the keeper's feet.

7-8 mins remain.

[kurtangle01]

lets just pay diao off and release him

that would be nice.

[kopite]

3-0

[kurtangle01]

3-0


it gets worse.:( :o

[LFCman]

3-0.

FFS, shite back pass from Riise.

Rafa out, Souness in.

[Bob]

3-0

Sounds like our defending is terrible.

Riise :rant:

[Red_Al_77]

Riise fecks up 3-0


God we are just lazy

[kopite]

I know its only a friendly, but this is diabolical,

[Guest]

Sounds like our defending is terrible.

Riise :rant:

Mourihno was right. :D

[kopite]

4-0

[Bob]

4-0 fuck me

[stevenage_kop]

not only r we conceeding we not even scoring

im starting to worry

[kurtangle01]

sounds like the team needs a good bollocking. friendly or not. three defeats on the spin against poor oppostion isn't good enough.

[Red_Al_77]

Fucking embarassing 4-0. Should be ashamed.

[LFCman]

4-0. Fuck off.

[stevenage_kop]

jeez wot happened

[kurtangle01]

especially now that it's 4-0.

[Tom]

friggin shambles.

[stevenage_kop]

dock em a weeks pay each

[kurtangle01]

Fucking embarassing 4-0. Should be ashamed.

they'd better be al.

[Red_Al_77]

However I do remember us losing 5-0 to Ajax once in a preseason friendly.

[kopite]

The german commentators are taking the piss on DSF tv,Im watching it live
They are saying maccabi Haifa will run rings around our terrible defenders

[Shaggy]

This is fuckin unreal. Yeah it's only a friendly but that scoreline is fucking embarrassing. :rant:

[kopite]

5-0

[Shaggy]

5-0

Are you having a laugh?

[Red_Al_77]

5-0 well there you go. Complete bollocks

[kurtangle01]

The german commentators are taking the piss on DSF tv,Im watching it live
They are saying maccabi Haifa will run rings around our terrible defenders


they have evry right to take the piss.

a few harsh words need to be said me thinks.

[LFCman]

Shoot me please.

[stevenage_kop]

im gona get pissed off if we paly like this on wed

[Tom]

je-------sus

[Guest]

Fuck Me ... Please Fuck Me ...

[Bob]

hangs head

I canna even spell this club.

At least its full time.

[kopite]

I wish I was in the pub

[Jan-Erik]

5-0?

[kurtangle01]

5-0 well there you go. Complete bollocks


shocking.

how on earth will rafa and the team dress this one up.

this should've been a dress rehearsal for wednesday.

[stevenage_kop]

embarrassing. they should feel humiliated

we cant even score either

[LFCman]

5-0?

FT. 5-0 to the mighty Mainz. :o

[Bob]

Fuck Me ... Please Fuck Me ...

If ever there was ever a way to get Richt over here - you've just went and fucked it for everyone else. :grr:

[Red_Al_77]

Tis true. We have some serious problems at the back. The scoring for me isn't an issue as we were always chasing the game because of defensive mistakes. Worrying but a definite wake up call.

[TheStig]

Fucking embarassing 4-0. Should be ashamed.

What's going on?

:rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

[kurtangle01]

they'd better recover in time for wednesday. at this rate...

[Bob]

I wish I was in the pub

Pub beer - excellent fucking idea.

[Riddler]

Needless to say it got worse in the second half ,we were poor and the game was boring ( I started a mexican wave at home with the kids) , I know its hard to jugde friendly games but this ended as a joke.

[kurtangle01]

Tis true. We have some serious problems at the back. The scoring for me isn't an issue as we were always chasing the game because of defensive mistakes. Worrying but a definite wake up call.

by the sound of things half the team are going through the motions. they need a wake up call by the sound of things al.

[kurtangle01]

Needless to say it got worse in the second half ,we were poor and the game was boring ( I started a mexican wave at home with the kids) , I know its hard to jugde friendly games but this ended as a joke.


how the fuck do i dress this one up to my manc work mates!?

[Jan-Erik]

I know it's just a friendly, but what the fuck is going on. 5-0 against Mainz?

[Tom]

last three games (friendlies i'll give you) we've conceded 11 and scored 2.

I'll say that again: we've conceded 11 and scored 2. :wall:

[Red_Al_77]

by the sound of things half the team are going through the motions. they need a wake up call by the sound of things al.

Very much so. Its as if our defenders were expecting Mainz to give them space. Doddering on the ball, silly passes. Their team had pace up front and exploited total confusion at the back. Carson had an absolute mare. Sorry but that defensive display ranks up with Charlton away last season.

[Bob]

how the fuck do i dress this one up to my manc work mates!?

Perhaps you should wear a dress in some subversion ploy!

[Shaggy]

Oh well, at least the 5-0 has no direct effect on our future. Get a load of this!

ROONEY AND SCHOLES BOTH OFF IN FRIENDLY WIN

Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes were both sent off during Manchester United's 3-1 friendly win over FC Porto on Friday.

The duo had both scored before Rooney was shown a red card in the 42nd minute for allegedly elbowing Pepe.

Scholes was dismissed for a second booking on 68 minutes but United added a third through Ole Gunnar Solksjaer before Porto scored a late consolation.

United had suffered a blow before the game in Amsterdam when Rio Ferdinand had to pull out with an ankle injury.

And United manager Sir Alex Ferguson now faces an anxious wait to see whether Rooney and Scholes will be banned for his side's first Premiership game of the season against Fulham on 20 August.

If Dutch referee Ruud Bossen notes the incidents in his report to the Dutch FA, and they pass it on to their English counterparts, the pair will almost certainly be suspended.

Rooney was also sent off in his last competitive match, for England in their World Cup quarter-final defeat by Portugal on 1 July.

He was being watched against Porto by new England coach Steve McClaren who is preparing to announce his squad for his first game in charge, against Greece on 16 August.

Ferdinand was on the United team sheet but landed heavily on his right ankle during the warm-up and was left out by Ferguson.

The incidents completely overshadowed new signing Michael Carrick's first game for United but he made an impressive debut.

Carrick's corner was rifled home by Scholes on the edge of the area for United's first goal before Rooney's audacious chip made it 2-0.

Solskjaer slammed home a third when United were down to nine men before Pepe's late reply for Porto.

The game was United's first in a four-team tournament that also features Ajax and Inter Milan.

[TheStig]

:D :D That's made me happier, but I already knew about that before we played:( .

[red g]

laughable.....utterly gobsmacked. no excuses. A wakeup call if one was needed!!

[kurtangle01]

Perhaps you should wear a dress in some subversion ploy!

it's worth a try!

[kurtangle01]

needless to say the offal hasn't udated the site yet. waithing for some spin from rafa no doubt!

[Shaggy]

needless to say the offal hasn't udated the site yet. waithing for some spin from rafa no doubt!

They've really gone to town on the match report...

Liverpool completed their pre-season preparations in the worst possible fashion by crashing to an emphatic 5-0 defeat against FSV Mainz in Germany on Friday night.

With next week's Champions League qualifier in mind Rafa Benitez started with a strong looking side but following a series of substitutions a sensational five goal second half blast from the hosts consigned the Reds to a humiliating loss.

Goals from Feulner, Damm, Jovanovic, Amri and Pupalovic did the damage on a night Liverpool will want to quickly forget.

Teams

Liverpool: Carson, Traore, Hyypia (captain), Carragher, Kromkamp, Zenden, Gerrard, Alonso, Pennant, Crouch, Bellamy. Subs - Dudek, Peltier, Hobbs, Paletta, Riise, Anderson, Diao, Sissoko, Garcia

FSV Mainz 05: Wache, Gerber, Demirtas, Feulner, Noveski, Diakite, Friedrich, Pekovic, Azaouash, Rose, Damm. Subs - Amri, Banouas, Babatz, Jovanovic, Amri, Wiegelt, Gunesch, Vrancic, Vrancic, Pupalovic, Ischdonat

Referee: Jochen Drees

Conditions: Warm

Attendance: Unknown

Liverpoolfc.tv Man-of-the-Match: Jamie Carragher

[Tom]

I've got it. We're getting our normal mid-season slump out of the way in pre-season.

[Shaggy]

How bizarre...just noticed Sami was captain??? What's that all about?

[Shaggy]

I've got it. We're getting our normal mid-season slump out of the way in pre-season.


:rock:

[6sheep]

Anyone know if we can play Jan Molby or any of the Liverpool Masters in the Champions League game?...

[kurtangle01]

as i said earlier. tonight should have been a dress rehearsal for wednesday. the team that were to start on wednesday should have had 1 hour playing time tonight as a minimum.

[Tom]

as i said earlier. tonight should have been a dress rehearsal for wednesday. the team that were to start on wednesday should have had 1 hour playing time tonight as a minimum.

don't think so mate, we made about 11 substitutions.....

[kurtangle01]

don't think so mate, we made about 11 substitutions.....


i know but we should, in my opinion which counts for fuck all, have started the match with the 11 that are to start on wednesday and given them 1 hours playing time and then made changes.

just my opinion though.

[Shaggy]

To be fair, over the last decade often we've been fucking brilliant in pre-season only to make a dreadful start in the league.

Hopefully it'll prove the other way round this time.

[Tom]

Most of our better players have only really just started their fitness training due to the world cup, wouldn't be a good idea to give them long run-outs.

[Mumsafan]

:haha:


we must be losing on purpose :haha:

Imagine all the KTers going nuts right now :haha:

[Leonard Crowley]

at least today isn't next Wednesday. Seems like Rafa did a bit of a Sven with all these experiments and chops and changes in pre-season.

I still think that if most of last year's first 11 (especially back 5) play next week with the usual instructions, we'll be ok.

It's a wake-up call though to people who think that our defense will definitely be better than last season.

[Tom]

I blaim the blog, it's affecting the players.

[kurtangle01]

Most of our better players have only really just started their fitness training due to the world cup, wouldn't be a good idea to give them long run-outs.
whilst i agree with what you're saying perhaps those players should have played sooner. against kaiserslautern?

[6sheep]

Haven`t seen the game, so for those who did..
Did any of our defenders perform tonight?
Was it a collective shocker, or can we take some solace out of Carra, or any of the others?

[kurtangle01]

Did any of our defenders perform tonight?


the 5-0 scoreline should answer that question.

[Shaggy]

And where is Ket? I miss him. He's cuddly!

Polite way of saying "he's fat"?

[6sheep]

Seems like Rafa did a bit of a Sven

Sven isn`t in the same league as Rafa :)

[Mumsafan]

Polite way of saying "he's fat"?



He is not fat! He's lovely!!!!!!!!!!!!

[6sheep]

the 5-0 scoreline should answer that question.

Sorry Kurt .. just trying to grasp at any thread of self delusion

[kurtangle01]

Sorry Kurt .. just trying to grasp at any thread of self delusion


no need to be sorry mate. it's me trying to be funny. which as you can see needs some work!:D

[Shaggy]

He is not fat! He's lovely!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just asking a question! :D

[Tom]

whilst i agree with what you're saying perhaps those players should have played sooner. against kaiserslautern?

They'd only just got back though.

[kurtangle01]

He is not fat! He's lovely!!!!!!!!!!!!

are we talking mikekett or kett?

[kurtangle01]

They'd only just got back though.

i know what you mean mate despite it not looking like i do but 20 mins in that game, like luis got, before being subbed with the injury, could've been good for them and us.

perhaps i only feel like tis in light of tonights result. a knee jerk reaction perhaps!:oh:

[6sheep]

no need to be sorry mate. it's me trying to be funny. which as you can see needs some work!:D

On a night like tonight it`s hard to laugh

I thought Rafa, being the perfectionist he is would have been relaxed for the camera after Kaiserslauten game, but privately might have given the team a roasting..God only knows what he`s had to say to them in the dressing room tonight :shake:

[kurtangle01]

On a night like tonight it`s hard to laugh

I thought Rafa, being the perfectionist he is would have been relaxed for the camera after Kaiserslauten game, but privately might have given the team a roasting..God only knows what he`s had to say to them in the dressing room tonight :shake:

it sure won't have been pretty.

the kaiserslautern game on staurday could be excused because it was 3 mistake by an extremely inexperienced player that led to their goals.

tonight is a whole different story though.

[Mumsafan]

are we talking mikekett or kett?


KET!!!!

[kurtangle01]

KET!!!!


yeah he's fat and has an ubelievably huge uni-brow!:haha:

[kurtangle01]

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N153080060804-2156.htm

read rafa's response here.

he doesn't seem worried so should we be? i am!:oh:

[6sheep]

So if I`m right (& I`d appreciate others opinions here)..then this pre-season was an experiment on Rafa`s part to give the younger players some 1st team experience (albeit friendlies) alongside the new recruits, so that the majority of the 1st 11 including the world cuppers could have more recovery time..

The hope being that there would be enough potential + ability, to roll over some lesser european clubs (no offence)..as opposed to the teams playing in the amsterdam tournament..so that we could start the season with good morale, hope for the premiership fixtures & the european campaign?

[kurtangle01]

So if I`m right (& I`d appreciate others opinions here)..then this pre-season was an experiment on Rafa`s part to give the younger players some 1st team experience (albeit friendlies) alongside the new recruits, so that the majority of the 1st 11 including the world cuppers could have more recovery time..

The hope being that there would be enough potential + ability, to roll over some lesser european clubs (no offence)..as opposed to the teams playing in the amsterdam tournament..so that we could start the season with good morale, hope for the premiership fixtures & the european campaign?

perhaps but it's a risky strategy and one that seems to have backfired.

[brendan]

Five lucky break-aways.

[Steve]

Very much so. Its as if our defenders were expecting Mainz to give them space. Doddering on the ball, silly passes. Their team had pace up front and exploited total confusion at the back. Carson had an absolute mare. Sorry but that defensive display ranks up with Charlton away last season.


If it makes you feel better didn't we win 12 out of the next 14 after the Charlton game!

[TheStig]

:haha:


we must be losing on purpose :haha:

Imagine all the KTers going nuts right now :haha:

:D Here's a good one, "julian" says: "lets end the pain, sack the manager, lets go for O'neil......."

:haha: :haha:

To be fair (as usual!) there are bits of both, some saying it's terrible etc, some saying they don't care.

[kurtangle01]

If it makes you feel better didn't we win 12 out of the next 14 after the Charlton game!

hopefully that will be the case this time as well.

[ronan]

5 fuckin nil.
pre season friendly or not, that is just wrong.

[kurtangle01]

:D Here's a good one, "julian" says: "lets end the pain, sack the manager, lets go for O'neil......."

:haha: :haha:

To be fair (as usual!) there are bits of both, some saying it's terrible etc, some saying they don't care.


he's not serious is he!?

[Leonard Crowley]

This may not be entirely relevant but I thought that Mainz was in France.

[TheStig]

he's not serious is he!?

I dunno, I think he might be.

[kurtangle01]

I dunno, I think he might be.


:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
if he is.

oneill is the villa manager and to be fair isn't even in rafa's league.

[TheStig]

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
if he is.

oneill is the villa manager and to be fair isn't even in rafa's league.

You not on Koptalk anymore then kurtangle?

[kurtangle01]

You not on Koptalk anymore then kurtangle?

no mate.

banned like many others.:haha:

[red g]

no mate.

banned like many others.:haha:

cheeky git askedme for another subscription only paid six months ago :rant:

[FowlerLeftFoot]

:haha: :haha:
might have also accidently listened to some whale singing in a podcast that disoriented them a bit..

I blaim the blog, it's affecting the players.

[nigecardiff]

:haha: :haha:
might have also accidently listened to some whale singing in a podcast that disoriented them a bit..

or maybe the news of the abandoned aggressive takeover attempt of the club has distracted the players :haha: :haha:

:whatever: