Defoe to sign this week

[DeeGame]

according to ynwa & RAOTL Defoe is to sign this week.

Very surprised by this as we already have bellamy but dave hodgson has confirmed the rumour to be true.

What do you guys think about this?

[Guest]

Who's Dave Hodgson ?

[Guest]

If that's true, then Kuyt is off to Newcastle and we're settling for our second choice, Defoe. :rolleyes:

[H]

Who's Dave Hodgson ?

Ex red.

[Rosco]

according to ynwa & RAOTL Defoe is to sign this week.

Very surprised by this as we already have bellamy but dave hodgson has confirmed the rumour to be true.

What do you guys think about this?

Deja vu is the new deja vu.

[Rowan]

News in the North East is that he's nailed on for the toon. Mind you the guy that told me is the same one that told me Baggio, Ronaldo, Rooney,Le Tiss etc were coming over the years.

[Redmonkey]

News in the North East is that he's nailed on for the toon. Mind you the guy that told me is the same one that told me Baggio, Ronaldo, Rooney,Le Tiss etc were coming over the years.

Do you mean Defoe or Kuyt?

Can't see us really being in for Defoe.

[Harv]

i cant say i would be unhappy if we got Defoe....he is a good player.

I really wanted Kuyt though!:cry:

[wildman]

He's the guy who's full of crap ain't he

[mark1975]

according to ynwa & RAOTL Defoe is to sign this week.

Very surprised by this as we already have bellamy but dave hodgson has confirmed the rumour to be true.

What do you guys think about this?

Apparantly talks with Defoe were very similar to talks with Pennant, we agreed a contract in principle months ago, with certain bonuses thrown in, dependant on the player waiting for us to pursue other avenues first.

Sounds like we've lost the race for Kuyt then?

[Laz]

Noooooo.

I'm off to start a 'Selling Defoe' thread.

[red g]

if we get defoe, i thinkit means Fowler will be playing a lot more this season. I think Defoe could be a very good buy. Premiership ready as well

[Shaggy]

Shit.

[mark1975]

Don't know why everyone's so 'up in arms' personally. He's not a bad player, but there's a marked difference in style between him and Kuyt, that's what I can't get my head around..

[Shaggy]

Don't know why everyone's so 'up in arms' personally. He's not a bad player, but there's a marked difference in style between him and Kuyt, that's what I can't get my head around..

Yeah, for a start I can't get my head around that and secondly, I'm not exactly a fan of Defoe. Head down, no awareness....just another Cisse if you ask me.

[Cisseshairdresser]

Don't know why everyone's so 'up in arms' personally. He's not a bad player, but there's a marked difference in style between him and Kuyt, that's what I can't get my head around..

I think youve answered your own question there mate. People are "up in arms" (me included) because we realise there is a marked difference in the styles of play of Defoe and Kuyt. I personally feel the style offered by Kuyt is what we need at the moment, and cant see how Defoe is going to provide us with the "possibilities" we need. I am not saying Defoe is a bad player, just that Kuyt would be more appropriate for our team and probable style of play, and therefore a more positive purchase. But when its all said and done I'd be happy with the addition of a new forward and if we cant afford Kuyt then Defoe is not a bad plan B IMHO:handshake:

[desertscouser]

I reckon this latest rumour is a load of bull.

[red g]

according to ynwa & RAOTL Defoe is to sign this week.

Very surprised by this as we already have bellamy but dave hodgson has confirmed the rumour to be true.

What do you guys think about this?

until informer or private eye confirms i wont believe :)

[red g]

Yeah, for a start I can't get my head around that and secondly, I'm not exactly a fan of Defoe. Head down, no awareness....just another Cisse if you ask me.

his lack of awareness is worrying. but i think he is a very good player, one thing we are not going to be short of this year is paceif this is true

[Cisseshairdresser]

until informer or private eye confirms i wont believe :)

Personally i'm holding out for Wallet!;)

[Rosco]

Yeah, for a start I can't get my head around that and secondly, I'm not exactly a fan of Defoe. Head down, no awareness....just another Cisse if you ask me.


Not even close.

He's a talented striker, Spurs haven't managed to get the best out of him for a while. For the right price I'd be happy with him.

[Shaggy]

Not even close.



Very close, actually.

Try telling that to my season ticket holding Spurs mate. Drives him insane, can't wait to see him sold.

You think Cisse was bad for running offside? Wait til you see this headless chicken.

[red g]

Very close, actually.

Try telling that to my season ticket holding Spurs mate. Drives him insane, can't wait to see him sold.

You think Cisse was bad for running offside? Wait til you see this headless chicken.

lets hope he learns better than cisse then!

[univofchicago]

Don't know why everyone's so 'up in arms' personally. He's not a bad player, but there's a marked difference in style between him and Kuyt, that's what I can't get my head around..

are you the real mark1975 from Koptalk?

[Delinquent]

I think youve answered your own question there mate. People are "up in arms" (me included) because we realise there is a marked difference in the styles of play of Defoe and Kuyt. I personally feel the style offered by Kuyt is what we need at the moment, and cant see how Defoe is going to provide us with the "possibilities" we need. I am not saying Defoe is a bad player, just that Kuyt would be more appropriate for our team and probable style of play, and therefore a more positive purchase. But when its all said and done I'd be happy with the addition of a new forward and if we cant afford Kuyt then Defoe is not a bad plan B IMHO:handshake:

It would also mean that Crouch is no longer a starter (you would've thought). Another season of Crouch leading the line will not get us any closer to being champions.

[mark1975]

are you the real mark1975 from Koptalk?

Yup.

[univofchicago]

Yup.

You still a mod there or have you left them as well?

[mark1975]

No, still there mate, just haven't been online much lately, thought I'd come over here and check it out and buzz off Ryan and Bren being WUM's ;)

[univofchicago]

No, still there mate, just haven't been online much lately, thought I'd come over here and check it out and buzz off Ryan and Bren being WUM's ;)

I see. Welcome to est1892! You were definately one of the better posters out there...

[kopdan]

Personally i'm holding out for Wallet!;)

will have to wait until next weeks News Of The World comes out for that one mate

[Tom]

Welcome mate.

[red g]

will have to wait until next weeks News Of The World comes out for that one mate

Scarters on here? perhaps he can confirm ? :)

[mark1975]

I see. Welcome to est1892! You were definately one of the better posters out there...

Cheers mate :handshake:

[Tom]

Yeah Scarter's about .... somewhere...

[Infadel]

Defoe is a good, Premiership-proven player with pace in abundance and would be a good signing for us.

The way I see it is when Rafa plays with two strikers it will be Bellamy or Defoe with Fowler or Crouch. Bellamy is, at some stage in the season, going to miss games through injury or suspension (!) and he couldn't be replaced by Fowler or Crouch, both of whom are not exactly blessed with blistering pace!

I haven't seen a great deal of Kuyt (I suspect the same applies to most on here) but I understand that he is not exceptionally quick and doesn't have a great first touch, so I can't see Crouch or Fowler playing as effectively with him as they would with Bellamy or Defoe.

That's my very humble opinion! :)

[Tom]

Defoe is a good, Premiership-proven player with pace in abundance and would be a good signing for us.

The way I see it is when Rafa plays with two strikers it will be Bellamy or Defoe with Fowler or Crouch. Bellamy is, at some stage in the season, going to miss games through injury or suspension (!) and he couldn't be replaced by Fowler or Crouch, both of whom are not exactly blessed with blistering pace!

I haven't seen a great deal of Kuyt (I suspect the same applies to most on here) but I understand that he is not exceptionally quick and doesn't have a great first touch, so I can't see Crouch or Fowler playing as effectively with him as they would with Bellamy or Defoe.

That's my very humble opinion! :)

I still think we'll sign Kuyt. I can feel it in my waters ;)

[kurtangle01]

I still think we'll sign Kuyt. I can feel it in my waters ;)

i hope so mate. if we don't i'd be happy with defoe.

[DeeGame]

Personally i'm holding out for Wallet!;)
Dont you mean Dunk ;)

[DeeGame]

I still think we'll sign Kuyt. I can feel it in my waters ;)


Are you pregnant? or is that your 1st bit of insider info on here? :)

[red g]

Dont you mean Dunk ;)

you mean D*nk ? :)

[univofchicago]

The way I see it is when Rafa plays with two strikers it will be Bellamy or Defoe with Fowler or Crouch.

so I can't see Crouch or Fowler playing as effectively with him as they would with Bellamy or Defoe.



Two excellent points, and I am inclinced to agree with you.

Your second point is very true, although Brendan and his brigade will point out that Rafa had Crouch/Morientes as his preferred partnership last year. But my guess is that was more to do with the fact that Rafa did not rate Cisse than Rafa being a proponent of a slow front two.

[kurtangle01]

who has posted this on ynwa? i can't find it anywhere.

[DeeGame]

who has posted this on ynwa? i can't find it anywhere.
Dave hodgeson confirmed someone else's rumour in the transfer rumours thread

[kurtangle01]

Dave hodgeson confirmed someone else's rumour in the transfer rumours thread


thanks mate.:) :handshake:

[univofchicago]

who has posted this on ynwa? i can't find it anywhere.

http://www.ynwa.tv/forum/index.php?showtopic=107282&st=840

[DeeGame]

if we signed him it could signal the departure of flo po

[univofchicago]

if we signed him it could signal the departure of flo po

I doubt anyone would want him on a permanent deal...

[kurtangle01]

I doubt anyone would want him on a permanent deal...

i'm sure a few clubs would be interested. wigan, bolton, city etc... or some clubs in france. he'd be easier to shift than some of our other squad players IMHO.

[DeeGame]

Think it could be a possibility if defoe does join the rafaloution

[mark1975]

i'm sure a few clubs would be interested. wigan, bolton, city etc... or some clubs in france. he'd be easier to shift than some of our other squad players IMHO.

He wouldnt fetch much in the way of a transfer fee though, so sometimes it's better to just keep him on the books, or loan him out (again).

[univofchicago]

He wouldnt fetch much in the way of a transfer fee though, so sometimes it's better to just keep him on the books, or loan him out (again).

Yes, clubs would be interested I'm sure. But I doubt any club would come up with the 2-3 million that Liverpool are be asking for. Unless Liverpool can lower their asking price, I can't see a permanent deal happening.

[brendan]

Very close, actually.

Try telling that to my season ticket holding Spurs mate. Drives him insane, can't wait to see him sold.

You think Cisse was bad for running offside? Wait til you see this headless chicken.

Oh Jesus.

How on Earth do you think it adds any credence WHATSOEVER if you claim that your opinion of Defoe is shared by your "season-ticket holding Spurs fan" mate?

1) He supports Spurs
2) He's your mate

Neither of the above would suggest a cogent individual.

[Harv]

Oh Jesus.

How on Earth do you think it adds any credence WHATSOEVER if you claim that your opinion of Defoe is shared by your "season-ticket holding Spurs fan" mate?

1) He supports Spurs
2) He's your mate

Neither of the above would suggest a cogent individual.

give it a rest brendan.:whatever:

[Le Chacal]

I'd be happy if we signed Defoe...I cant see Spurs selling him to their rivals though.

[Shanks65]

I reckon this latest rumour is a load of bull.

Agreed.

As so many have said on here, I can't see why we'd be in for that style of striker, considering what we've already got upfront.

And Didn't Dave Hodgson say last Jan that SWP was nailed on to be a red??:eyebrow:

[mark1975]

Defoe is a quality player, certainly a better finisher than Keane (though I am a big fan), I just think it's a case of him not fitting into Jol's thinking, for one reason or another (ala Cisse with us, though better).

He'd add more pace anyway, which is what we need upfront, given Bellamy's the only pacy option we have and he's proved himself to be injury prone.

Kuyt would be great as an improvement on Crouch, though there's no guarantee he would be a success. Defoe would be a good alternative, but would offer different qualities, which would put huge question marks over Rafa's reasoning for bringing him in, given it would mean a different approach to the options we'd have with Kuyt.

[brendan]

I'd be happy if we signed Defoe...I cant see Spurs selling him to their rivals though.

They sold Carrick To Manchester United.

[mark1975]

They sold Carrick To Manchester United.

To be fair, the word 'rivals' was a bit flattering on Spurs, it's not like the're selling to newcastle or villa is it?

[Le Chacal]

They sold Carrick To Manchester United.

True, but for £18M and they have a lot of midfielders already...Oh and maybe they dont consider Manure as their rivals:D

[DeeGame]

Defoe is a quality player, certainly a better finisher than Keane (though I am a big fan), I just think it's a case of him not fitting into Jol's thinking, for one reason or another (ala Cisse with us, though better).

He'd add more pace anyway, which is what we need upfront, given Bellamy's the only pacy option we have and he's proved himself to be injury prone.

Kuyt would be great as an improvement on Crouch, though there's no guarantee he would be a success. Defoe would be a good alternative, but would offer different qualities, which would put huge question marks over Rafa's reasoning for bringing him in, given it would mean a different approach to the options we'd have with Kuyt.

Top post :handshake:

[univofchicago]

And Didn't Dave Hodgson say last Jan that SWP was nailed on to be a red??:eyebrow:

I have never heard of Dave Hodgson. Besides that 'howler', whats his overall 'insider' track record like?

[Shanks65]

I have never heard of Dave Hodgson. Besides that 'howler', whats his overall 'insider' track record like?

To be honest, I don't know mate. I just happened to log on to ynwa in Jan and he was on there saying how SWP was ours. PLenty of other ynwa posters seemes to believe him though.

[univofchicago]

Defoe is a quality player, certainly a better finisher than Keane (though I am a big fan), I just think it's a case of him not fitting into Jol's thinking, for one reason or another (ala Cisse with us, though better).

He'd add more pace anyway, which is what we need upfront, given Bellamy's the only pacy option we have and he's proved himself to be injury prone.

Kuyt would be great as an improvement on Crouch, though there's no guarantee he would be a success. Defoe would be a good alternative, but would offer different qualities, which would put huge question marks over Rafa's reasoning for bringing him in, given it would mean a different approach to the options we'd have with Kuyt.

You should make your move here permanent.

[DeeGame]

I have never heard of Dave Hodgson. Besides that 'howler', whats his overall 'insider' track record like?

Thought he was reliable :sigh:

[mark1975]

I like it here, it's basic, like the old KT..

[univofchicago]

I like it here, it's basic, like the old KT..

You will be an asset to any forum...

[Le Chacal]

I like it here, it's basic, like the old KT..
KT has always been the same mate...

[DeeGame]

I like it here, it's basic, like the old KT..

you got pm

[mark1975]

KT has always been the same mate...

Dunno, everyone seems to reminisce about how it was before it moved over..

[univofchicago]

Thought he was reliable :sigh:

I wonder what Elisha_Scott has to say about all this...

[Rosco]

I like it here, it's basic, like the old KT..

Is it hard to sit down with univofchicago's tongue up your hole Mark ?

[mark1975]

haha, I'm quite enjoying the flattering comments actually, like I said, "I like it here" ;)

[Le Chacal]

Ha !

KT was exactely the same when I joined 4 years ago...Banned posters, DJ, Dunk aliases, self-proclaimed "insiders...

[Infadel]

Dunno, everyone seems to reminisce about how it was before it moved over..

I used to like reminiscing but it just brought back memories!!:)

[Rosco]

Anyway this Defoe lad ......

There's only one reason I;d be unhappy if he signed for us. It'll mean somebody can claim their "Defoe is nailed on" statement was somehow true.

[mark1975]

Me? :)

[univofchicago]

haha, I'm quite enjoying the flattering comments actually, like I said, "I like it here" ;)

I've always enjoyed your posts at Koptalk. A stark contrast to the usual bullshit that predominates in the free forum. That was what I found very strange. I remember there were about four prominent posters, Brendan and Ryan being the worst of a kind while your posts were quality. Complete Yin and Yang if you ask me...

[Rosco]

Me? :)

No the other Mod.

[Le Chacal]

No the other Mod.
Rosco?:rolleyes:

[Rosco]

I've always enjoyed your posts at Koptalk. A stark contrast to the usual bullshit that predominates in the free forum. That was what I found very strange. I remember there were about four prominent posters, Brendan and Ryan being the worst of a kind while your posts were quality. Complete Yin and Yang if you ask me...

Oh go on, just ask him out .....

Beware though, he's the most virile man in Europe.:p

[mark1975]

I used to take Bren and Ryan's posts personally (still do sometimes) but maybe because I was just as passionate as they are, though in a different way. The're still quality posters though and top lads, kt has gone worryingly boring since ryan's departure and bren's decreased posting.

[DeeGame]

Oh go on, just ask him out .....

Beware though, he's the most virile man in Europe.:p

Is rosco upset nobody is giving him any attention :whatever:

[mark1975]

Oh go on, just ask him out .....

Beware though, he's the most virile man in Europe.:p

There's some truth in that, though I'd rather cut it off with a rusty spoon than hear the word 'pregnant' again..

[univofchicago]

Rosco?:rolleyes:

I think they are talking about DJ.

[Guest]

uniofchicago ... are you MattBiscan ?

[Le Chacal]

I think they are talking about DJ.

really?:rolleyes:

[DeeGame]

uniofchicago ... are you MattBiscan ?

:haha:

[univofchicago]

uniofchicago ... are you MattBiscan ?

Err.....NO!

[mark1975]

if there's one thing I wish this site didnt have, it's that irritating smilie.

[univofchicago]

really?:rolleyes:

Yeah. I think it is. Maybe the KT mods here can clarify...

[red g]

if there's one thing I wish this site didnt have, it's that irritating smilie.

:haha:

[Guest]

if there's one thing I wish this site didnt have, it's that irritating smilie.

I love these smilies ... It wouldn't be long before they're back though.

:smirk:

[mark1975]

I meant the 'rolleyes' one. God it gets on my t*ts.

[Le Chacal]

Yeah. I think it is. Maybe the KT mods here can clarify...

Thank you Univ but i knew they were talking about DJ:rolleyes:

Mark: that smiley?:rolleyes:

[The Glove]

I think youve answered your own question there mate. People are "up in arms" (me included) because we realise there is a marked difference in the styles of play of Defoe and Kuyt. I personally feel the style offered by Kuyt is what we need at the moment, and cant see how Defoe is going to provide us with the "possibilities" we need. I am not saying Defoe is a bad player, just that Kuyt would be more appropriate for our team and probable style of play, and therefore a more positive purchase. But when its all said and done I'd be happy with the addition of a new forward and if we cant afford Kuyt then Defoe is not a bad plan B IMHO:handshake:



Defoe must offer us something otherwise Rafa wouldnt be looking to buy the goblin. If he was just looking to buy a striker then we'd've bought any old fuckwit by now.

[The Glove]

Oh Jesus.

How on Earth do you think it adds any credence WHATSOEVER if you claim that your opinion of Defoe is shared by your "season-ticket holding Spurs fan" mate?

1) He supports Spurs
2) He's your mate

Neither of the above would suggest a cogent individual.



Lets be fair, there is no answer to that is there?

[Guest]

The Glove ... mmm ...:search:

[Shanks65]

Defoe must offer us something otherwise Rafa wouldnt be looking to buy the goblin.

To be honest, I really don't think Rafa *is* looking to buy him.

[red g]

smokescreen anyone?

[Guest]

smokescreen anyone?

I can sell you that.

[The Glove]

To be honest, I really don't think Rafa *is* looking to buy him.


I not really arsed who we buy. Although since all the shit players are going/have gone, we need some poor **** to abuse so maybe Rafa is looking to find that person for us.

[Shanks65]

I not really arsed who we buy. Although since all the shit players are going/have gone, we need some poor **** to abuse so maybe Rafa is looking to find that person for us.

I'm just gonna go back to booing Riise if we don't bring another abuse-target in soon.

[The Glove]

Good call. Him or Kewell I think, unless one of the new boys turns out to be astonishingly bad. Hmmmmmmm Gonzalez hasnt looked to good so far has he?

[red g]

Good call. Him or Kewell I think, unless one of the new boys turns out to be astonishingly bad. Hmmmmmmm Gonzalez hasnt looked to good so far has he?

has troare gone now?

[Le Chacal]

Gonzalez is the one...Only fools would abuse Riise...

[The Glove]

I heard it was 2mil to Charlton. Dont know if they paid us or we paid them though.

[red g]

Gonzalez is the one...Only fools would abuse Riise...

yeh great idea,he has heard how good the liverpool fans are :shake:

[Le Chacal]

Tut tut, tongue in cheek...

[red g]

I heard it was 2mil to Charlton. Dont know if they paid us or we paid them though.

heard the rumour, presumed it was one of those like marilyn manson was in wonder years rumours.....cant believe we SOLD ie actually got money for the 'champions league' winner Traore ...

[The Glove]

'Champions League Winner, Djimi Traore'

The fact that that statement is true means we should aready have a statue of Rafa at Anfield same as the Shanks one. Whereas Shanks has 'He made the people happy' it should read 'Rafa Benitez, He made Traore a Champions League Winner'.

[red g]

'Champions League Winner, Djimi Traore'

The fact that that statement is true means we should aready have a statue of Rafa at Anfield same as the Shanks one. Whereas Shanks has 'He made the people happy' it should read 'Rafa Benitez, He made Traore a Champions League Winner'.

it gives hope to footballers everywhere......

[Cisseshairdresser]

will have to wait until next weeks News Of The World comes out for that one mate

:haha: :handshake:

[ronan]

who posted on raotl?

[Guest]

who posted on raotl?

who cares ? it ain't true anyway.

[Le Chacal]

who cares ? it ain't true anyway.

How do you know? Are you an "Insider"?:rolleyes:

[red g]

who cares ? it ain't true anyway.

would be mightily amazed if we were in for him

[Guest]

How do you know? Are you an "Insider"?:rolleyes:

yeah ... i'm wallet ... sorry wally and i like big butts. :p

[desertscouser]

who posted on raotl?

Clearly some complete clown.

[FowlerLeftFoot]

wow.......good to see u here mark. top bloke :rock:

I meant the 'rolleyes' one. God it gets on my t*ts.

[El Diego]

I would be happier with DeFoe than with Kuyt

[Le Chacal]

yeah ... i'm wallet ... sorry wally and i like big butts. :p

You're Dunk then...Defo not an "Insider":p

[murder_inc]

Good to see you on here Mark. At last, we'll have a "sane" ex mod from Kacktalk unlike Dj Ozcabs :crackoff: :whatever: and Rosco :crackoff: who talk absolute utter shite.

Welcome Mark lad.:handshake: :rock:

[Le Chacal]

Good to see you on here Mark. At last, we'll have a "sane" ex mod from Kacktalk unlike Dj Ozcabs :crackoff: :whatever: and Rosco :crackoff: who talk absolute utter shite.

Welcome Mark lad.:handshake: :rock:

You're good in that domain sometimes too...:rolleyes:

[Rosco]

Good to see you on here Mark. At last, we'll have a "sane" ex mod from Kacktalk unlike Dj Ozcabs :crackoff: :whatever: and Rosco :crackoff: who talk absolute utter shite.

Welcome Mark lad.:handshake: :rock:
Cheers mate.

I love you too. XXX

:blowskiss:

[murder_inc]

excuse me le chacal but did i insult you? And if you think i talk shite then dont reply. Its quite simple really, your'e just looking for a kick off which ussualy i would happily oblige but i dont wanna be seen as a kick off merchant who causes shit.
And i was actually talking about two dick-weeds from KT, not here. I wasnt insulting any members from est so get off your high fucking horse.

[murder_inc]

oh. appologies then Rosco, i didnt realise you were a member here.:handshake:

[Kaip]

How do you know? Are you an "Insider"?:rolleyes:



:D

[Le Chacal]

excuse me le chacal but did i insult you? And if you think i talk shite then dont reply. Its quite simple really, your'e just looking for a kick off which ussualy i would happily oblige but i dont wanna be seen as a kick off merchant who causes shit.
And i was actually talking about two dick-weeds from KT, not here. I wasnt insulting any members from est so get off your high fucking horse.

How old are you Murder?...Read your pevious post : that was utter shite and yes insulting a member of this site.

And you dont have the balls to sustain it. "Oh Rosco, i apologize blah blah". pathetic.

[nigecardiff]

I'n not sure what to make of this Defoe link. It started again earlier in the summer, until we signed Bellamy. Thought that was it, too simila, won't go for both surely?

But thinking some more about it and seeing what others have said I think Defoe's signing has its merits. We need 4 strikers Bellamy (pace), Crouch (target man), Fowler (no pace but linking up) and A N Other.

Now Kuyt would probably be more in the Crouch/Fowler mould, whereas with Bellamy having his injuries/suspensions we will be short of pace up front. Definitely can see this one coming off now. Defoe just needs a good manager to get the best out of him. And hey traore is a champions league winner so theres hope yet for anyone coming in.

[mark1975]

Good to see you on here Mark. At last, we'll have a "sane" ex mod from Kacktalk unlike Dj Ozcabs :crackoff: :whatever: and Rosco :crackoff: who talk absolute utter shite.

Welcome Mark lad.:handshake: :rock:

Cheers mate, I know what you mean about that Rosco lad, he's rubbish.

[red g]

How old are you Murder?...Read your pevious post : that was utter shite and yes insulting a member of this site.

And you dont have the balls to sustain it. "Oh Rosco, i apologize blah blah". pathetic.

does every thread have to resort to bickering?? Ps not directed at anyone personally :) :handshake:

[Le Chacal]

That Murder is insulting EVERY Koptalk Member for the sake of it as if they all had any kind of allegiance to Dunk....Grow up son.

[MrMichael]

does every thread have to resort to bickering?? Ps not directed at anyone personally :) :handshake:

:handshake:

I know, its really depressing, I left school more than a decade ago ffs. :shake:

[brendan]

I used to take Bren and Ryan's posts personally (still do sometimes) but maybe because I was just as passionate as they are, though in a different way. The're still quality posters though and top lads, kt has gone worryingly boring since ryan's departure and bren's decreased posting.

I'd post if there was anything going on, but it's a bit quiet.....

[murder_inc]

MM, i dont take this back. If your gonna ban me,sin bin me, or card me, fine.
Im sick to the back teeth of morons who take great pleasure in saying my posts are shite and then get away with it.
I genuinly didnt realise Rosco was a member on here and i appoligised to him. I dont feel i insult EVERY koptalk mamber, i even welcomed Mark but that idiot decided too over look that one.
The fucking Houllier brigade do my head in with their smart arse replys and general hostility towards me.

This forum is becoming more and more like KT and im getting away from here for a while.
cya around.

[brendan]

Hahahahah..

Fuck me bandy, but that is *stupendously* inept, in every way.

Glorious.

[Le Chacal]

That could deserve a ban. Xenophobic and insulting.
Now jog on you little man.

[Le Chacal]

MM, i dont take this back. If your gonna ban me,sin bin me, or card me, fine.
Im sick to the back teeth of morons who take great pleasure in saying my posts are shite and then get away with it.
I genuinly didnt realise Rosco was a member on here and i appoligised to him. I dont feel i insult EVERY koptalk mamber, i even welcomed Mark but that idiot decided too over look that one.
The fucking Houllier brigade do my head in with their smart arse replys and general hostility towards me.

This forum is becoming more and more like KT and im getting away from here for a while.
cya around.

ha ha poor little boy:cry:

[brendan]

That could deserve a ban. Xenophobic and insulting.
Now jog on you little man.

He is hilarious, though.

I don't think I've ever seen such consistently embarassing, ill-concealed pent-up rage, explode into illiterate ravings quite so often.

[Le Chacal]

He is hilarious, though.

I don't think I've ever seen such consistently embarassing, ill-concealed pent-up rage, explode into illiterate ravings quite so often.
Yeah and expect a pathetic apology very soon...

[MrMichael]

Oh for christs sake girls. As if we're not busy enough with other things today you lot have to kick off AGAIN.

AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH. :rant:

[brendan]

Oh for christs sake girls. As if we're not busy enough with other things today you lot have to kick off AGAIN.

AAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH. :rant:

Please point out where anyone - other than the cosmically hapless murder inc -has "kicked off".

[Laz]

I take it from the OTT attack of racial stereotyping that you are Swiss, Le Chacal? You remained quite calm considering. :haha:

[brendan]

I take it from the OTT attack of racial stereotyping that you are Swiss, Le Chacal? You remained quite calm considering. :haha:

For God's sake don't mention "Nazi Gold" or "Neutrality"

He'll have yer fucking head off.

[Le Chacal]

Yes im Swiss and that kind of silly crying boy wont make me lose my calm...

[mark1975]

I thought the 'clockmaker' comment was particularly funny.. 'Angry young man' is an understatement.

[Le Chacal]

For God's sake don't mention "Nazi Gold" or "Neutrality"

He'll have yer fucking head off.
Ha! true...:D

[brendan]

I thought the 'clockmaker' comment was particularly funny.. 'Angry young man' is an understatement.

They do make exceedingly nice clocks. Well, watches anyway.

[Laz]

Ha! true...:D

I bet you were quite disappointed that holey cheese (not holy) cuckoo and, of course, the famed Army Knife didn't get a mention.

[Le Chacal]

I bet you were quite disappointed that holey cheese (not holy) cuckoo and, of course, the famed Army Knife didn't get a mention.

He's not that clever you know...

[brendan]

Back to the topic, I am a big fan of Defoe (yes, yes he's quick and black so that fulfils all my great player criteria), but I don't really see how we need him, given that we've already bought no-neck.

Would be a bit strange, I reckon, so I'm filing under "bollocks"

[Peter]

has anyone mentioned the magic word yet? No?, Here goes then....

Smokescreen;)

[mark1975]

It does sound wierd, I thought we bought Bellamy because he was similar to Defoe but half the price, so it seems strange to then go and buy Bellamy mark II, except for the fact that if Bellamy gets injured we've got a chronic lack of pace AGAIN.

[Le Chacal]

I assume no-neck is Bellamy, why couldnt we play with two pacey strikers?
Im a fan of Defoe too and he would be a great add to our team.
Defoe-Bellamy-Robbie-Crouch would be perfect.

[Laz]

By the way, I'm Welsh so may I suggest; sheep, miners, the new Pot Noodle adverts, leeks and a smattering of "isn't it?" if anybody feels the need to direct a similar rant towards me.

:D

[mark1975]

The worry with Kuyt I guess is that he'd be difficult to play alongside Crouch or Fowler, he's not slow but he's not exactly a speed demon either.. hmmm..

[mark1975]

By the way, I'm Welsh so may I suggest; sheep, miners, the new Pot Noodle adverts, leeks and a smattering of "isn't it?" if anybody feels the need to direct a similar rant towards me.

:D

You forgot to mention being inbred ;)

[brendan]

has anyone mentioned the magic word yet? No?, Here goes then....

Smokescreen;)

This "Smokecreen" stuff is just a load of bollocks, I reckon. It's just used by some fans to persuade themselves that players they don't want to come aren't really targets.

[red g]

has anyone mentioned the magic word yet? No?, Here goes then....

Smokescreen;)

dont you read all the thread?? think i did before! :) Unfortunately still think bartwats will up there bif for kujit. Still hopeful that he chooses not to be a mercenary though

[brendan]

I assume no-neck is Bellamy, why couldnt we play with two pacey strikers?
Im a fan of Defoe too and he would be a great add to our team.
Defoe-Bellamy-Robbie-Crouch would be perfect.

Two short-arsed, diminutive, speedsters playing as a partnership?

Don't see it.

[Le Chacal]

Owen-Fowler

[brendan]

Owen-Fowler

Yeah, that was a long-standing partnership all right.

And Fowler by that point was hardly quick, was he?

[Le Chacal]

I know they didnt play long together...And Fowler was quick before he got these injuries...Why dont you think a partnership of 2 pacey strikers wont work?

[brendan]

I know they didnt play long together...And Fowler was quick before he got these injuries...Why dont you think a partnership of 2 pacey strikers wont work?

No no no no no. Having pace is *always* a bonus, but Defoe and Bellamy offer virtually the same thing, and that's useless as a partnership.

I reckon.

[Laz]

I really don't know on this one. It has a feeling of 'settling' for Defoe if we do sign him as I thought Kuyt was Rafa's first choice.

I have not seen enough of Kuyt to be able to judge his ability but his strike rate is very good. As mentioned before, it seems odd that we would go for a quite different type of striker if our 'first choice' is unattainable but I guess we need a fourth striker and time is running out.

[Le Chacal]

And he could play with Crouch and Fowler or come as sub for Bellamy...lots of options with him. I'd prefer him than Kuyt.

[Peter]

This "Smokecreen" stuff is just a load of bollocks, I reckon. It's just used by some fans to persuade themselves that players they don't want to come aren't really targets.

twas sarcasm. I have no opinion on the Defoe rumour - until it becomes plausible that is.

[MrMichael]

Please point out where anyone - other than the cosmically hapless murder inc -has "kicked off".

Which is why I've only removed his post. Turn of phrase, but you have been sniping at him (and he at you) since you both arrived here and all this shit is doing my head in to be honest.

[brendan]

Which is why I've only removed his post. Turn of phrase, but you have been sniping at him (and he at you) since you both arrived here and all this shit is doing my head in to be honest.

He's actually exploded in an infantile rage at me less often than I expected, but he's got a lot of baggage that lad. And it doesn't contain brains.

Anyway, that Defoe rumoour eh?

[MrMichael]

Yeah, Defoe :D

I hope not myself, although I can see it happening. He's not a bad player like, although I do feel he was significantly over-hyped the season before last, and I'm not sure comparissons with Cisse are that far off the mark. I'm not sure he would contribute much more to the overall tactical "possibilities" of the team except perhaps to score a bit more (but his strike record isn't stunning). Between Bellamy and Fowler we seem to have his attributes quite well covered to me.

I'd much rather we went for Kuyt, I know he isn't the quickest but the overall potential he has to add something to what we already have is much greater in my eyes, even if it would also be a bit more of a risk.

[red g]

Two short-arsed, diminutive, speedsters playing as a partnership?

Don't see it.

cant think of any other instances it worked either??

[brendan]

Yeah, Defoe :D

I hope not myself, although I can see it happening. He's not a bad player like, although I do feel he was significantly over-hyped the season before last, and I'm not sure comparissons with Cisse are that far off the mark. I'm not sure he would contribute much more to the overall tactical "possibilities" of the team except perhaps to score a bit more (but his strike record isn't stunning). Between Bellamy and Fowler we seem to have his attributes quite well covered to me.

I'd much rather we went for Kuyt, I know he isn't the quickest but the overall potential he has to add something to what we already have is much greater in my eyes, even if it would also be a bit more of a risk.

Someone on KT - might be that Swiss divvy Le Chacal (xx) - was positing that Bellers used to play more as a provider, roaming about behind the striker. ie suggesting that a Defoe/ Bellers partnership isn't as menkle as it sounds.

Not convinced.

I think Rodders is fcuking abysmal (really Brendan?) so I would also prefer us to buy a big, strong target-man to ensure that he plays less.

Is that Dirk? Well, maybe.

[MrMichael]

Now this really isn't an invitation... but I think you will be pleasantly suprised this season by how well Crouch and Bellamy might play together. In any case, Rafa obviously considers Crouch as one of his senior strikers, and if we assume that he will play 2 upfront for most of the season, Crouch + one of Bellamy/Fowler/Defoe would seem the most likely partnership combinations if we bought him. Bellamy + Defoe...? Maybe, but Defoe likes to wander a bit too, I wouldn't like the idea of that too much at all. Don't think its particularly likely either given Rafa's tactical history. Crouch/Kuyt + Bellamy/Fowler would seem to provide better balance to the choice of partnerships, whatever you think of the respective merits of the players involved :D

[Howard_lfc]

The signing of Pennant disappointed me - coz I really liked the idea of Alves finally sorting out the right hand side. Pennant is a good player - but that's it; nothing special for me.
Now once again we appear to be looking at our fallback option (Defoe) when our primary target is sitting over there in Rotterdam waving a bleeding flag saying 'come and get me reds!' and we haven't got the balls to go and get him. IMO Kuyt would be perfect for us and to lose out on him is gonna seriously piss me off. Big time.

Board: Well Rafa - we'd like you to win the premier league this year
Rafa: ok - we'll strengthen the squad and give it a good go
Board: ah yes - money - we've been meaning to talk to you about that.
Rafa: no more lampshades please!
Board: well not exactly - we'll back you all the way for your backup targets. We'll still act like a big club - being linked in the press with top class signings- its just that we wont give you the money to buy them. Don't worry about the fans - they're too thick to see the bigger picture; the fact we can't compete with Newcastle (and soon to be Villa) in the transfer market.
Rafa: right - so you're not gonna back me in the transfer market but you still wanna win the league?
Board: That's right Rafa. Close the door after you please.

You know what REALLY pisses me off? The fact that the board saw fit to back Houllier to the fecking hilt when he went cap in hand looking for new signings and look what happened. We made some progress - and stopped. Now we have arguably the best manager in the world (honestly) and the board can't see what's right in front of their fecking noses. It's not as if Rafa is asking for the earth either; Alves and Kuyt should both be well within our budget but we've now got this small club mentality/insecurity and it's slowly eating away at us. Gnawing away at our very fibre - and it's doing my fecking head in. Seriously.

We are Liverpool Football Club; it's about time we started acting like it.

H

[brendan]

The signing of Pennant disappointed me - coz I really liked the idea of Alves finally sorting out the right hand side. Pennant is a good player - but that's it; nothing special for me.
Now once again we appear to be looking at our fallback option (Defoe) when our primary target is sitting over there in Rotterdam waving a bleeding flag saying 'come and get me reds!' and we haven't got the balls to go and get him. IMO Kuyt would be perfect for us and to lose out on him is gonna seriously piss me off. Big time.

Board: Well Rafa - we'd like you to win the premier league this year
Rafa: ok - we'll strengthen the squad and give it a good go
Board: ah yes - money - we've been meaning to talk to you about that.
Rafa: no more lampshades please!
Board: well not exactly - we'll back you all the way for your backup targets. We'll still act like a big club - being linked in the press with top class signings- its just that we wont give you the money to buy them. Don't worry about the fans - they're too thick to see the bigger picture; the fact we can't compete with Newcastle (and soon to be Villa) in the transfer market.
Rafa: right - so you're not gonna back me in the transfer market but you still wanna win the league?
Board: That's right Rafa. Close the door after you please.

You know what REALLY pisses me off? The fact that the board saw fit to back Houllier to the fecking hilt when he went cap in hand looking for new signings and look what happened. We made some progress - and stopped. Now we have arguably the best manager in the world (honestly) and the board can't see what's right in front of their fecking noses. It's not as if Rafa is asking for the earth either; Alves and Kuyt should both be well within our budget but we've now got this small club mentality/insecurity and it's slowly eating away at us. Gnawing away at our very fibre - and it's doing my fecking head in. Seriously.

We are Liverpool Football Club; it's about time we started acting like it.

H


I find your "Rafa = Great, Board = Bad" attitude simplistic, boring and inaccurate.

Try adding some "complex shades of grey" to your binary, black & white world.

[Rosco]

The signing of Pennant disappointed me - coz I really liked the idea of Alves finally sorting out the right hand side. Pennant is a good player - but that's it; nothing special for me.
Now once again we appear to be looking at our fallback option (Defoe) when our primary target is sitting over there in Rotterdam waving a bleeding flag saying 'come and get me reds!' and we haven't got the balls to go and get him. IMO Kuyt would be perfect for us and to lose out on him is gonna seriously piss me off. Big time.

Board: Well Rafa - we'd like you to win the premier league this year
Rafa: ok - we'll strengthen the squad and give it a good go
Board: ah yes - money - we've been meaning to talk to you about that.
Rafa: no more lampshades please!
Board: well not exactly - we'll back you all the way for your backup targets. We'll still act like a big club - being linked in the press with top class signings- its just that we wont give you the money to buy them. Don't worry about the fans - they're too thick to see the bigger picture; the fact we can't compete with Newcastle (and soon to be Villa) in the transfer market.
Rafa: right - so you're not gonna back me in the transfer market but you still wanna win the league?
Board: That's right Rafa. Close the door after you please.

You know what REALLY pisses me off? The fact that the board saw fit to back Houllier to the fecking hilt when he went cap in hand looking for new signings and look what happened. We made some progress - and stopped. Now we have arguably the best manager in the world (honestly) and the board can't see what's right in front of their fecking noses. It's not as if Rafa is asking for the earth either; Alves and Kuyt should both be well within our budget but we've now got this small club mentality/insecurity and it's slowly eating away at us. Gnawing away at our very fibre - and it's doing my fecking head in. Seriously.

We are Liverpool Football Club; it's about time we started acting like it.

H

Nice rant.

It's a pity that it's a bit flawed. Rafa has spent £76m since he arrived here a little more than two years ago. That's more than everyone except Chelsea.

Houllier spent £125m over 5 years. Rafa is way ahead in terms of spending if you look at the average spend per year.

[brendan]

Nice rant.

It's a pity that it's a bit flawed. Rafa has spent £76m since he arrived here a little more than two years ago. That's more than everyone except Chelsea.

Houllier spent £125m over 5 years. Rafa is way ahead in terms of spending if you look at the average spend per year.

You're the new Ritchie3!!!!!!!!

(Soz)

[Rosco]

You're the new Ritchie3!!!!!!!!

(Soz)

Cheers.....:whatever:

[brendan]

Cheers.....:whatever:

Hahaha.

Soooo touchy

[Rosco]

Hahaha.

Soooo touchy

I put up with a lot of stick Brendan, I can take it when people say I talk shite (particularly when they back down immediately when I reply to them :haha: ), I can take it when people call me a fat, an Irish cnut, a "barrack room lawyer" and lots of other things.

I won't tolerate being called the new Ritchi3 though, we all have our limits Brendan.

[brendan]

I put up with a lot of stick Brendan, I can take it when people say I talk shite (particularly when they back down immediately when I reply to them :haha: ), I can take it when people call me a fat, an Irish cnut, a "barrack room lawyer" and lots of other things.

I won't tolerate being called the new Ritchi3 though, we all have our limits Brendan.

I'm not sure how I can make this up to you.

*looks for photos*

[Rosco]

I'm not sure how I can make this up to you.

*looks for photos*


Haha ....

You'll need them soon btw.

Anyway I'm outta here for tonight , talk to you later.

[Howard_lfc]

I find your "Rafa = Great, Board = Bad" attitude simplistic, boring and inaccurate.

Try adding some "complex shades of grey" to your binary, black & white world.

I find your Brendan = right, everyone else= wrong attitude quite crap actually.;)

Simplistic and boring? Thanx for pointing me in the right direction mate. If only all of my posts were as good as yours eh Brendan....... In future I'll ask you to QA all of my posts then.....:crackoff:

Regarding your complex shades of grey - why complicate the issue?
We're either good/big/wealthy enough - or we're not. I don't want excuses. If you;re happy that we appear to have missed out on our 2 major signings then great - console yourself with the excuses/reasons why we didn't get them. In the meantime - I'll stick to the bare facts or as you put it 'black and white world' if you don't mind.

H

[G_Man]

I think Defoe has the potential to develop into a very good player for LFC. His ball skills are good and his pace is good. Anything over 9 million would not be good business though as I feel he needs to work on his finishing and his positional play as well as his awareness. The 2 people I trust most to bring these qualities out of him are Rafa Benitez and Robbie Fowler.

Lets get him in, he'll thrive at our club :handshake:

[Jan-Erik]

No no no no no. Having pace is *always* a bonus, but Defoe and Bellamy offer virtually the same thing, and that's useless as a partnership.

I reckon.

If you could have two Henry's in your side, dont you think that would be a deadly partnership?

[Howard_lfc]

I think Defoe has the potential to develop into a very good player for LFC. His ball skills are good and his pace is good. Anything over 9 million would not be good business though as I feel he needs to work on his finishing and his positional play as well as his awareness. The 2 people I trust most to bring these qualities out of him are Rafa Benitez and Robbie Fowler.

Lets get him in, he'll thrive at our club :handshake:


Sounds like we haven't got £9m though at the moment so I don't think it'll be a problem G !!:shake:

[kurtangle01]

I find your "Rafa = Great, Board = Bad" attitude simplistic, boring and inaccurate.

Try adding some "complex shades of grey" to your binary, black & white world.

sorry to wade in here brendan, but why do you see it necessary to jump down people throats at every attempt? if you don't agree with their opinion state your reasons for it. don't just start having a go for the sake of it.:handshake:

[Rosco]

I find your Brendan = right, everyone else= wrong attitude quite crap actually.;)

Simplistic and boring? Thanx for pointing me in the right direction mate. If only all of my posts were as good as yours eh Brendan....... In future I'll ask you to QA all of my posts then.....:crackoff:

Regarding your complex shades of grey - why complicate the issue?
We're either good/big/wealthy enough - or we're not. I don't want excuses. If you;re happy that we appear to have missed out on our 2 major signings then great - console yourself with the excuses/reasons why we didn't get them. In the meantime - I'll stick to the bare facts or as you put it 'black and white world' if you don't mind.

H

It's not really a simple issue though is it ?

When you look at the money that has been available to Benitez it's more than enough to have bought any target he wanted.

Instead he chose to sign a centre back for £6m who he didn't trust enough to put in the first team squad ahead of Djimi Traore (on the few occasions he was fit). He also chose to allocate funds to signing to left sided players when it wasn't really an area of concern. We already had Kewell, Warnock, Traore, Zenden and Garcia capable of filling positions on the left but Benitez signed Gonzalez and Aurelio before he actually filled a position he really needed filled.

Last season he spent £6m on a midfielder when we didn't really need one (although I'm delighted we got him). And £7m on two goalkeepers when we already had two.

So I think it's a very simplistic and quite frankly myopic to solely blame the board on the predicament we're in. Rafa has the choice to allocate funds as he chooses. If he chooses to sign players for positions that we already have adequate cover in, while neglecting our primary needs is it really the board's fault ? Or should some responsibility lie with Rafa ?

[Howard_lfc]

It's not really a simple issue though is it ?

When you look at the money that has been available to Benitez it's more than enough to have bought any target he wanted.

Instead he chose to sign a centre back for £6m who he didn't trust enough to put in the first team squad ahead of Djimi Traore (on the few occasions he was fit). He also chose to allocate funds to signing to left sided players when it wasn't really an area of concern. We already had Kewell, Warnock, Traore, Zenden and Garcia capable of filling positions on the left but Benitez signed Gonzalez and Aurelio before he actually filled a position he really needed filled.

Last season he spent £6m on a midfielder when we didn't really need one (although I'm delighted we got him). And £7m on two goalkeepers when we already had two.

So I think it's a very simplistic and quite frankly myopic to solely blame the board on the predicament we're in. Rafa has the choice to allocate funds as he chooses. If he chooses to sign players for positions that we already have adequate cover in, while neglecting our primary needs is it really the board's fault ? Or should some responsibility lie with Rafa ?

Goalkeepers. We needed 2 keepers - coz Dudek isn't good enough and we had no backup.

Left side. Kewell, Warnock and Traore have no long term future at the club IMO.

Momo - Rafa bought him and put him straight into the first XI so who are you to say we didn't need him?

It is a squad building excercise over the last couple of years - and now it needs the finishing touches. However, the players Rafa has identified are out of reach - even though we're not talking exorbitant amounts of money - relatively speaking. If we can't go and spend £10m on a player then there's something wrong somewhere. It wouldn't be so bad if we were building a new stadium - but even after all this time - that's still a pipedream....In the meantime we're getting by on buying players with cheap buy-out clauses, free transfers and backup-options. So who's fault is that? Rafa's or the boards?

[Tom]

Ha! true...:D

People who say "jog on" should be banned ;)

[mark1975]

Momo - Rafa bought him and put him straight into the first XI so who are you to say we didn't need him?



Exactly, and this is the cusp of the arguement, people seem to think that the area's that they see as needing to be filled are the ones that should be. Rafa identified that we needed more pace and tenacity in the middle of the park, and we got that with Momo, we also desperately needed to replace the increasingly confidence shattered Dudek. These are two positions which helped us make up ground in the league, so who are we to argue? If we'd bought these two and not improved in anyway, then yeah, point the finger and suggest that the money would have been better spent elsewhere.

We had Gerrard for the right wing last season, I'd suggest that having him there and Momo, Alonso and Didi to cover the centre, was far more productive than having bought Simao/Pennant/whoever and NOT bought Momo. You only had to look at the spell where Momo was out with an eye injury to recognise how important he was to us.

Noone's suggesting Rafa doesnt make mistakes and we haven't suffered somewhat by eventually going for second best, but league wise, given Alonso is the only £10m+ player we've brought, I think we've boosted the squad with a fair amount of quality, and got rid of the majority of the deadwood over the two seasons/three summers. 'Rome wasn't built in a day' and all that.. We've now filled every position that needed filling, bar that fourth striker slot, which is looking like being sorted soon anyway.

If we'd have bought a right winger last season, we'd still be in the same position now, looking for a keeper and a central midfielder.

[Ryan]

Two short-arsed, diminutive, speedsters playing as a partnership?

Don't see it.

In contrast to last season's two lard-arsed, lanky, sloths playing as a partnership?

It's be HEAVEN Bren.

[brendan]

In contrast to last season's two lard-arsed, lanky, sloths playing as a partnership?

It's be HEAVEN Bren.

I'd take the fucking Chuckle Brothers up front ahead of Spanish Erik and Rodders.

[Ryan]

I'd take the fucking Chuckle Brothers up front ahead of Spanish Erik and Rodders.

I'm glad Moro's gone, obviously, and Crouch looks more and more like being relegated to a substitute's role this season, so things are on the up, but the mere mention of those two as a strikeforce once again just conjures up horrible mental images of that night at Anfield against Benfica.

It broke my heart watching that.

[MrMichael]

I'd take the fucking Chuckle Brothers up front ahead of Spanish Erik and Rodders.

Yawn. With all due respect..... any chance of a record change guys?

[Ryan]

Yawn. With all due respect..... any chance of a record change guys?

Sure, no sweat.

CROUCHIE'S ACES!

I wouldn't sell him for £20M

Viva la Rafalution!

Better?

[Hamstrung]

I'd say even if we buy Kuyt or Defoe, the two "chuckle brothers" on this forum might be disappointed. I think Crouch will still start more games than he doesn't.

[Ryan]

I'd say even if we buy Kuyt or Defoe, the two "chuckle brothers" on this forum might be disappointed. I think Crouch will still start more games than he doesn't.

Is this not "goading"?

[red g]

I'd say even if we buy Kuyt or Defoe, the two "chuckle brothers" on this forum might be disappointed. I think Crouch will still start more games than he doesn't.

yeh crouch is an integral :) part of our team and long may it continue

[dww]

I actually think that Defoe and Keane at the end of the season showed that in the right situation two short, pacy forwards can make a good partnership. I know it took a long time for them to gel but I think that they were hampered by Jol's determination to play a big man little man front two.

So long as we have a different option (Crouch) and/or other players who are better in the air (I would class both Fowler and Garcia in this category) then I think that Defoe would be a good addition to the squad. I would however prefer a more physically imposing forward, such as Kuyt.

[MrMichael]

Sure, no sweat.

CROUCHIE'S ACES!

I wouldn't sell him for £20M

Viva la Rafalution!

Better?

:haha: :handshake: Maybe we could do that, reverse posting... whatever you post the opposite is meant.


Or you could just try.....

"I don't rate Crouch at all

I think ultimately he's too dodgy infront of goal / too slow to ever be top quality etc

As we're stuck with him I think we need another option like xxxxxx, and this is why....

Defoe would/would not provide this because...."

[Ryan]

"I don't rate Crouch at all

I think ultimately he's too dodgy infront of goal / too slow to ever be top quality etc

As we're stuck with him I think we need another option like xxxxxx, and this is why....

Defoe would/would not provide this because...."

That's pretty much what I've done, only better obviously, in that other thread.

[MrMichael]

:handshake: Good, then my original point about "changing the record" in this one was correct. Glad we cleared that up

:D






Would it amuse you Ryan if I changed my "moderator" title to "Ryan's chaperone"? We must stop meeting in threads like this otherwise :haha:

[paulcooper4]

told you all rosco was a rafa hater. on kt all he ever done was slate rafa. Believe it or not theres many more there like him, one of the reasons i left, rather than waiting for my sub to run out

[Ryan]

:handshake: Good, then my original point about "changing the record" in this one was correct. Glad we cleared that up

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Would it amuse you Ryan if I changed my "moderator" title to "Ryan's chaperone"? We must stop meeting in threads like this otherwise :haha:

Ha!

I'd advise against it. You'd have to put up with any amount of people referring to you as "that wanker's chaperone"...

[Ryan]

told you all rosco was a rafa hater. on kt all he ever done was slate rafa. Believe it or not theres many more there like him, one of the reasons i left, rather than waiting for my sub to run out

You're wrong Paul.

He's out forward some excellent points in this thread mate.

Counter them, not your pre-conceived thoughts.

[paulcooper4]

You're wrong Paul.

He's out forward some excellent points in this thread mate.

Counter them, not your pre-conceived thoughts.

They are my thoughts mate. The fella makes it clear on a regular basis that he doesnt rate rafa.

[Ryan]

:handshake: Good, then my original point about "changing the record" in this one was correct. Glad we cleared that up

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Would it amuse you Ryan if I changed my "moderator" title to "Ryan's chaperone"? We must stop meeting in threads like this otherwise :haha:

Oh, and while you're here Michael. I posted one or two other things on the 'Selling Crouch' thread this morning that are "awaiting Moderator approval"... Approve them will ya?

Cheers.

[Howard_lfc]

Exactly, and this is the cusp of the arguement, people seem to think that the area's that they see as needing to be filled are the ones that should be. Rafa identified that we needed more pace and tenacity in the middle of the park, and we got that with Momo, we also desperately needed to replace the increasingly confidence shattered Dudek. These are two positions which helped us make up ground in the league, so who are we to argue? If we'd bought these two and not improved in anyway, then yeah, point the finger and suggest that the money would have been better spent elsewhere.

We had Gerrard for the right wing last season, I'd suggest that having him there and Momo, Alonso and Didi to cover the centre, was far more productive than having bought Simao/Pennant/whoever and NOT bought Momo. You only had to look at the spell where Momo was out with an eye injury to recognise how important he was to us.

Noone's suggesting Rafa doesnt make mistakes and we haven't suffered somewhat by eventually going for second best, but league wise, given Alonso is the only £10m+ player we've brought, I think we've boosted the squad with a fair amount of quality, and got rid of the majority of the deadwood over the two seasons/three summers. 'Rome wasn't built in a day' and all that.. We've now filled every position that needed filling, bar that fourth striker slot, which is looking like being sorted soon anyway.

If we'd have bought a right winger last season, we'd still be in the same position now, looking for a keeper and a central midfielder.

Top post - good sound reasoning.

H

[Ryan]

They are my thoughts mate. The fella makes it clear on a regular basis that he doesnt rate rafa.

Paul, he does rate Rafa.

I know this for a fact.

He, like some others too, doesn't believe he's infallible though. That doesn't mean to say he's a "Rafa hater" mate.

[MrMichael]

Done, sorry they were missed, good posts too..... :o

[Hamstrung]

Applies in reverse also. Just because someone doesn't support a negative argument they aren't necessarily a member of some spurious cult with a daft name (Is it trust in Rafa Brigade or something?)

[brendan]

Applies in reverse also. Just because someone doesn't support a negative argument they aren't necessarily a member of some spurious cult with a daft name (Is it trust in Rafa Brigade or something?)

Rafa Can Do No Wrong Brigade.

I think there are a few sites out there that suffer far worse than this one for those types. You can guess who they might be.

[Rosco]

told you all rosco was a rafa hater. on kt all he ever done was slate rafa. Believe it or not theres many more there like him, one of the reasons i left, rather than waiting for my sub to run out

Paul come on mate you're not really that simple are you ?

One of my pet hates on LFC sites is the "Sack Parry, sack the Board" "Moores Out" threads because they are so lacking in anything resembling balance. A lot of that is because of the shite that some people put out as fact.

All I'm doing is countering the assertion that many make about Rafa not being backed by the board. The conventional wisdom is that he hasn't, why ? Because of a reported demand Rafa made to the board. The facts of the matter show he's been backed more than any other manager in the Premiership since he arrived (bar Mourinho).

When people spout the conventional wisdom with complete disregard for the facts of the situation I feel compelled to counter the argument. The questioning of Rafa's spending is a legitimate exercise designed to make you think about your own opinions before actually expressing them. Take both sides of a story and form your opinion while considering both, it annoys me to see fans trot out what is essentially the Koptalk editors attacks on the Board as some sort of truth.

Just in case it's not been inferred, I really like what Rafa has done on the whole since he arrived. I love the "strangle the life out of the opposition" approach to football. We might not be the most fluid attacking team and not the best to watch but the sheer machine-like relentlessness of Rafa's team is a joy to witness.

Despite being a fan of Rafa and the club in general, I will continue to question things that i don't fully agree with. I'm confident enough in my own footballing knowledge to put forward an alternative instead of toeing an "In Rafa we trust" flock like mentality.

Objectivity is king.

[Hamstrung]

So you're in the Rafa Can do No right Brigade?

or The Rafa can do no Wrong except when he buys ugly tall players but I don't mind that too much because then I can make up fun nicknames brigade?

If someone is positive about what's happening at the club why you automatically have to be dismissive? It looks like you just do the opposite to me, which isn't of any more value....

[brendan]

Paul come on mate you're not really that simple are you ?

One of my pet hates on LFC sites is the "Sack Parry, sack the Board" "Moores Out" threads because they are so lacking in anything resembling balance. A lot of that is because of the shite that some people put out as fact.

All I'm doing is countering the assertion that many make about Rafa not being backed by the board. The conventional wisdom is that he hasn't, why ? Because of a reported demand Rafa made to the board. The facts of the matter show he's been backed more than any other manager in the Premiership since he arrived (bar Mourinho).

When people spout the conventional wisdom with complete disregard for the facts of the situation I feel compelled to counter the argument. The questioning of Rafa's spending is a legitimate exercise designed to make you think about your own opinions before actually expressing them. Take both sides of a story and form your opinion while considering both, it annoys me to see fans trot out what is essentially the Koptalk editors attacks on the Board as some sort of truth.

Just in case it's not been inferred, I really like what Rafa has done on the whole since he arrived. I love the "strangle the life out of the opposition" approach to football. We might not be the most fluid attacking team and not the best to watch but the sheer machine-like relentlessness of Rafa's team is a joy to witness.

Despite being a fan of Rafa and the club in general, I will continue to question things that i don't fully agree with. I'm confident enough in my own footballing knowledge to put forward an alternative instead of toeing an "In Rafa we trust" flock like mentality.

Objectivity is king.

Paul, in case you were wondering, those funny marks on your head are Rosco's boot-prints, from where he's just walked all over you.

[Hamstrung]

:sigh:

[red g]

Paul come on mate you're not really that simple are you ?

One of my pet hates on LFC sites is the "Sack Parry, sack the Board" "Moores Out" threads because they are so lacking in anything resembling balance. A lot of that is because of the shite that some people put out as fact.

All I'm doing is countering the assertion that many make about Rafa not being backed by the board. The conventional wisdom is that he hasn't, why ? Because of a reported demand Rafa made to the board. The facts of the matter show he's been backed more than any other manager in the Premiership since he arrived (bar Mourinho).

When people spout the conventional wisdom with complete disregard for the facts of the situation I feel compelled to counter the argument. The questioning of Rafa's spending is a legitimate exercise designed to make you think about your own opinions before actually expressing them. Take both sides of a story and form your opinion while considering both, it annoys me to see fans trot out what is essentially the Koptalk editors attacks on the Board as some sort of truth.

Just in case it's not been inferred, I really like what Rafa has done on the whole since he arrived. I love the "strangle the life out of the opposition" approach to football. We might not be the most fluid attacking team and not the best to watch but the sheer machine-like relentlessness of Rafa's team is a joy to witness.

Despite being a fan of Rafa and the club in general, I will continue to question things that i don't fully agree with. I'm confident enough in my own footballing knowledge to put forward an alternative instead of toeing an "In Rafa we trust" flock like mentality.

Objectivity is king.

nah Kenny is the king :handshake:

[MrMichael]

Objectivity is also virtually impossible to attain, especially in the contect of football. Passion is inherently subjective, and for any heartfelt fan to be objective about their own club, or others, is an immensely difficult, if not impossible task. Very good post though :D

[paulcooper4]

I`ll quite happily be in the rafa can do no wrong brigade. whats all that about boot prints on me kite anyway?

[Cisseshairdresser]

Is this not "goading"?

Yes but you's (Ryan and Brendan) deseve it! For a refreshing change why not try SUPPORTING ALL our players. You's are meant to be liverpool fans afterall! Seroiusly your bringing the tone of this place down to a KT level with the childish slagging of our players. Thank god for the Crouch censor thing is all I can say! If you are determined to act in this childish and anti-LFC manner go back to KT, oh no, arent one or both of you's banned? I wonder why that is? You carry on in this way and it won't be long until your banned here too! Havent you's already been sin binned?!

Ive read many of your posts and some of them are very apt, well thought out, and offer a positive contribution to the threads/forum. If you could just cut out the ripping of our players at every available opportunity, and the little snipes at other posters occassionaly, you's would be two of the better posters on this forum. Right rant over! Please proceed.......:) :handshake:

[Le Chacal]

Paul come on mate you're not really that simple are you ?

One of my pet hates on LFC sites is the "Sack Parry, sack the Board" "Moores Out" threads because they are so lacking in anything resembling balance. A lot of that is because of the shite that some people put out as fact.

All I'm doing is countering the assertion that many make about Rafa not being backed by the board. The conventional wisdom is that he hasn't, why ? Because of a reported demand Rafa made to the board. The facts of the matter show he's been backed more than any other manager in the Premiership since he arrived (bar Mourinho).

When people spout the conventional wisdom with complete disregard for the facts of the situation I feel compelled to counter the argument. The questioning of Rafa's spending is a legitimate exercise designed to make you think about your own opinions before actually expressing them. Take both sides of a story and form your opinion while considering both, it annoys me to see fans trot out what is essentially the Koptalk editors attacks on the Board as some sort of truth.

Just in case it's not been inferred, I really like what Rafa has done on the whole since he arrived. I love the "strangle the life out of the opposition" approach to football. We might not be the most fluid attacking team and not the best to watch but the sheer machine-like relentlessness of Rafa's team is a joy to witness.

Despite being a fan of Rafa and the club in general, I will continue to question things that i don't fully agree with. I'm confident enough in my own footballing knowledge to put forward an alternative instead of toeing an "In Rafa we trust" flock like mentality.

Objectivity is king.

Spot on Ross.

[Rosco]

nah Kenny is the king :handshake:

Haha .... :o

[Le Chacal]

People who say "jog on" should be banned ;)

Like Gold Club ex-members ;)

[Rosco]

Objectivity is also virtually impossible to attain, especially in the contect of football. Passion is inherently subjective, and for any heartfelt fan to be objective about their own club, or others, is an immensely difficult, if not impossible task. Very good post though :D

I'm not holding myself up as any kind of beacon of objectivity all I'm asking is that people question the conventional wisdom and see the wood from the trees so to speak.

[Rosco]

Yes but you's (Ryan and Brendan) deseve it! For a refreshing change why not try SUPPORTING ALL our players. You's are meant to be liverpool fans afterall! Seroiusly your bringing the tone of this place down to a KT level with the childish slagging of our players. Thank god for the Crouch censor thing is all I can say! If you are determined to act in this childish and anti-LFC manner go back to KT, oh no, arent one or both of you's banned? I wonder why that is? You carry on in this way and it won't be long until your banned here too! Havent you's already been sin binned?!

Ive read many of your posts and some of them are very apt, well thought out, and offer a positive contribution to the threads/forum. If you could just cut out the ripping of our players at every available opportunity, and the little snipes at other posters occassionaly, you's would be two of the better posters on this forum. Right rant over! Please proceed.......:) :handshake:

Brendan isn't banned.

[Le Chacal]

I want to know his secret :p

[Cisseshairdresser]

Brendan isn't banned.

There's still time..............