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tsb
14-03-07, 03:01 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6302209.stm

More and more badly behaved children are being diagnosed with conditions like ADHD.


Latest figures show global use of ADHD drugs has nearly tripled since 1993.

In England and Wales alone, prescriptions for the standard treatment, a drug called Ritalin, rocketed from just 4,000 in 1994 to 359,000 in 2004.

At least one in 20 schoolchildren - 360,000 in total - is thought to have some degree of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).

Some experts say this is the tip of the iceberg and there are many more children out there going undiagnosed.

But what ever happened to sheer naughtiness?

There is a temptation to use it as a get out - by doctors as well

Dr Sami Timimi
Child and adolescent psychiatrist

Critics argue bad behaviour in children is being over-medicalised, and even that the labels are being used to excuse unruly behaviour.

Indeed, the US psychiatrist who identified attention deficit disorder says up to 30% of youngsters classified as suffering from disruptive and hyperactive conditions could have been misdiagnosed.

Dr Robert Spitzer, professor of psychiatry at Columbia University in New York, says many may not really be ill and may simply be showing perfectly normal signs of being happy or sad.

"Ain't misbehaving"

Dr Sami Timimi, a consultant child and adolescent psychiatrist in Lincolnshire, says there is a real danger that the diagnosis is becoming a dumping ground for simple bad behaviour.

"There is no test for ADHD. It is diagnosed on the basis of a questionnaire, which is subjective.

"We are creating ADHD out of behaviours that would previously have been perceived as normal.

"There is a temptation to use it as a get out - by doctors as well."

He suggested undesirable behaviour might be more common because family life had changed.

"We have had the demise of the extended family, increasing separation and divorce and more working parents.

"It is harder than ever to be a normal parent these days. The expectations are higher."

Disobedient or disorder

But he said parents should not be held solely to blame - many other factors could also be involved.

Children are living more sedentary lifestyles, sitting in front of TVs and computers for much of the day, and are eating more additive-laden foods.

And education systems have become more target-driven, he said.

There is always a danger of over-labelling, but in the UK in the main it's under-recognition

Dr David Coghill
Senior lecturer in child and adolescent psychiatry

He pointed out that the pharmaceutical industry had profited from rising cases of ADHD, by selling more stimulant drugs.

Vivienne Streeter, director of family services for the British Institute for Brain Injured Children, says disorders such as ADHD can be distinguished easily from simple naughtiness.

"ADHD is a definite medical condition. It's there from birth, is lifelong and present in all situations. You can't get a child who is just ADHD at school or at home.

"Compare that with a naughty child - they can be very good in one setting but chose to be naughty or push the boundaries in another. That's when poor parenting, housing and diet come into play."

But she conceded that it could be hard for an outsider merely observing bad behaviour to separate the two.

Antisocial

Indeed, there have been cases where children diagnosed with conditions like ADHD have been hauled before the courts and given anti-social behaviour orders (ASBOs).

On the flip-side, medical diagnoses are also abused.

Ms Streeter explained: "There are certainly some people who will use it as an excuse.

"A lot of parents will say their child is hyperactive or has ADHD. I have even had medical people who have said a child is ADHD and they are not."

But Dr David Coghill, senior lecturer in child and adolescent psychiatry at Dundee University, says in the UK the main problem is under-recognition of behavioural disorders.

ADHD SYMPTOMS
Easily distracted
Restlessness
Difficulty remaining seated when required
Difficulty awaiting turn in group situations
Difficulty following instructions
Difficulty in playing quietly
Often shift from one incomplete activity to another
Often interrupts others
Often engates in physically dagerous activities without considering the consequences

Andrea Bilbow, chief executive of ADDISS, the national attention deficit disorder information and support service, agrees.

"We are only just touching the tip of the iceberg. Not even one in every hundred children with ADHD is being picked up.

"Parents do not take their child to see psychiatrists or paediatricians unless they have a problem.

"Why would you want to use a label for a child who does not have a problem?"






ERRR... Those symptoms just describe the majority of kids I've met!

Neil Young
14-03-07, 03:11 PM
Couldn't agree more. The pharmaceutical companies develop a drug then manufacture the condition for it to treat.

The doctors are bought up by the drug companies and because it's an easy way of dealing with a patient. Specialists make a career out of it. Politicians and educationalists make behaviour problems an individual health problem, someone else's to solve. Any attempt to uncover the underlying causes where there is a problem (e.g. a nutritional basis) is marginalised and ignored. Parents avoid feeling bad about themselves because they can blame a "condition" rather than take responsibility for their own child's behaviour.

Everyone's a winner. :shake:

tsb
14-03-07, 03:31 PM
Thanks for the correction! Ridalin, ritalin.

PTP
14-03-07, 03:46 PM
ADHD SYMPTOMS
Easily distracted
Restlessness
Difficulty remaining seated when required
Difficulty awaiting turn in group situations
Difficulty following instructions
Difficulty in playing quietly
Often shift from one incomplete activity to another
Often interrupts others
Often engates in physically dagerous activities without considering the consequences

ERRR... Those syptoms just describe the majority of kids I've met!




and the majority of adults

Snigger
14-03-07, 04:15 PM
In the 70's an experiment was carried out on mental illness diagnosis. I can't remember how many people were used but lets say 20 totally sane people were told to report to Mental Health institutions and clinics and were told they could only say the following:

"I keep hearing voices in my head"

If asked what the voice(s) said they were to answer one word

"Stomp" (or something similar, can't remember the exact word.

They were all sectioned or similar for being insane - some of them took months to get out only being released by claiming they had been cured. That experiement changed the way mental illness was viewed and diagnosed.

As many have said ADHD is simply a sympton of being a child - children have more energy than adults - I'm sure there is a condition but not a prevelant one, it's just another case of the world going mad.

Neil Young
14-03-07, 04:38 PM
In the 70's an experiment was carried out on mental illness diagnosis. I can't remember how many people were used but lets say 20 totally sane people were told to report to Mental Health institutions and clinics and were told they could only say the following:

"I keep hearing voices in my head"

If asked what the voice(s) said they were to answer one word

"Stomp" (or something similar, can't remember the exact word.

They were all sectioned or similar for being insane - some of them took months to get out only being released by claiming they had been cured. That experiement changed the way mental illness was viewed and diagnosed.

As many have said ADHD is simply a sympton of being a child - children have more energy than adults - I'm sure there is a condition but not a prevelant one, it's just another case of the world going mad.
If the world is going mad, don't we need to section it then?

Snigger
14-03-07, 04:41 PM
yes, everyone is barking - they were right 30 odd years ago - lock'em up, lock'em all up then I can be both King and Queen of the world.

Abro100
14-03-07, 04:53 PM
Beind honest i think all this ADHD is aload of bollocks, fair enough you may get the odd few with mental problems but half of it is down to todays society.
Kids think they are feckin 20/30 when they are 10/12 they are drinking earlier and thinking they want to get out to the real world when school has nothing to offer them.
The stuff they are eating is shite aswell ladened with chemicals and E-No's etc, not gettin the right amounts of stuff can seriously mess you up and the kids having all this hydroganised fat and which is energy laden about 39kj per g are just like bombs of energy waiting to blow up.
Where just gonna end up with a generation of fat people with no energy diabetes, alcohol problems, depression and a national health crisis where money is spent on self inflicted diseases, oh wait............

glynner
14-03-07, 05:31 PM
I'm not so sure - I've met a kid who was diagnosed with ADHD, and the difference (in this case) was fairly evident. He was one of three brothers, so they all ate pretty much the same thing.

fah-q
14-03-07, 06:03 PM
At least if we all die from fatness, or getting happy slapped to death we can't claim the pensions that won't be there!

Neil Young
14-03-07, 08:27 PM
I'm not so sure - I've met a kid who was diagnosed with ADHD, and the difference (in this case) was fairly evident. He was one of three brothers, so they all ate pretty much the same thing.
I think it's sensible to assume that not all diagnoses are false and there is a condition, or group of conditions, that need treatment of some kind. :handshake:

kendoddsdadsdogsdead
14-03-07, 08:41 PM
I once had to teach a class where 6 of the 12 kids were Ritalin takers. It was like watching a group of crack heads sharing space with heroin addicts. If they had timed their medication wrong, I would have 6 whirling dervishes to control for 40 minutes, get it right and they would be comatose for the better part of the lesson. Having been on pretty strong amphetamine analogues for childhood epilepsy, I can smypathise with these kids. Some of whom had their diagnoses rushed through by parents desperate to have them sedated. The juvenile brain is more sensitive than most give it credit for.

SouthAfricaRed
14-03-07, 09:55 PM
I once had to teach a class where 6 of the 12 kids were Ritalin takers. It was like watching a group of crack heads sharing space with heroin addicts. If they had timed their medication wrong, I would have 6 whirling dervishes to control for 40 minutes, get it right and they would be comatose for the better part of the lesson. Having been on pretty strong amphetamine analogues for childhood epilepsy, I can smypathise with these kids. Some of whom had their diagnoses rushed through by parents desperate to have them sedated. The juvenile brain is more sensitive than most give it credit for.

Children react differently to adults to medication/drugs

An Adult taking Ritalin will be stimulated whereas children are sedated. Same goes for Cocaine.

I think it will probably be cheaper to treat kids with Cocaine

I wasnt aware that Ritalin is now used in the UK too. It's one medication that I refuse to prescribe. I know that if it was available when I was a kid, I would have been forced to take it :haha:

Red_hot
14-03-07, 10:05 PM
Ritalin makes you lose weight. I'm still trying to get my kids on it so I can nick some. :D

fah-q
14-03-07, 10:08 PM
An Adult taking Ritalin will be stimulated whereas children are sedated. Same goes for Cocaine.



It doesn't stimulate me, just makes me chat self righteous bollocks to total strangers who don't listen, merely wait for their turn to speak.

SouthAfricaRed
14-03-07, 10:50 PM
It doesn't stimulate me, just makes me chat self righteous bollocks to total strangers who don't listen, merely wait for their turn to speak.

That's being stimulated :) Kids have the opposite effect

Redlife
15-03-07, 12:05 AM
Elizabeth Wurtzel used to grind up Ritalin and snort it.


It cured her cocaine addiction. :D ... It did lead to problems of its own though.




What's been said is right. It's like speed, but it has a paradoxical effect on hyperactive kids.

The_weatherman
15-03-07, 09:45 AM
ADHD is definately a condition, of course there is some proportion of those who are diagnosed who are just naughty because of bad parenting. But when you take and ADHD kid and compare him with a "normal" one the difference is striking. They need more attention and help in school and are frequently misdiagnosed as well as dyslexic.

And itīs not a new condition either, there was a follow up study done in Finnland over 30 years which showed that persons who had been diagnosed were far more likely to be unemployed or laid off. They were also far more likely to use alcohol, drugs and get bad grades or having been to special schools (about 24-26% against 2%) and only 4% of them got good grades.

They are also suffering from anxiety (although that can stem from the drugs) and depressive, socially isolated and more likely to go to jail, if you were to study the prison population my guess would be that around 70-80% of them have AHDH or maybe more.