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Would you swop this...
FINNAN-CARRA-SAMI-RIISE
For any of these...
1) FERREIRA-TERRY-CARVALHO-COLE
2) NEVILLE-FERDINAND-VIDIC-HEINZE
3) EBOUE-TOURE-SENDEROS-CLICHY
... Well, would you?
paulcooper4
07-08-06, 10:44 AM
not a cat in hells chance, wouldnt swap the midfield, goalie or manager either.
No, but we would benefit from the addition of Cole, Heinze or Terry to our back four.
I think in a few years everyone might be envious of that Arsenal back four aswell. I wish we had been bringing through players of that calibre in the last few years.
No, but we would benefit from the addition of Cole, Heinze or Terry to our back four.
I think in a few years everyone might be envious of that Arsenal back four aswell. I wish we had been bringing through players of that calibre in the last few years.
I dunno.
Too many athletes, not enough footballers in it for my liking.
What they make up for in terms of non-stop energy and pace, they lose out on with their lack of on-ball compsure and inability to take the ball out of defence. Especially Toure - Great defender, wooden footballer.
I'd probably take Heinze for the left back spot, but other than that, I'd keep our defence. And that includes having Hyypia there rather than Terry.
Howard_lfc
07-08-06, 10:55 AM
I'd probably take Heinze for the left back spot, but other than that, I'd keep our defence. And that includes having Hyypia there rather than Terry.
ah - life through rose tinted specs - you can't beat it!!:D
I'd probably take Heinze for the left back spot, but other than that, I'd keep our defence. And that includes having Hyypia there rather than Terry.
I think it's foolhardy to make comparisons between Hyypia and Terry. They're both two of the best centre backs on Earth.
I'd also take Cole ahead of Heinze.
I dunno.
Too many athletes, not enough footballers in it for my liking.
What they make up for in terms of non-stop energy and pace, they lose out on with their lack of on-ball compsure and inability to take the ball out of defence. Especially Toure - Great defender, wooden footballer.
I almost completely disagree about Toure, always seems to use the ball well to me. I will give you that to improve his defending he seems to have given up any willingness to carry the ball out.
Eboue also looks a real danger in attack. Good cross. Not seen enough of him to say much about his overall game but he looked a great prospect at the African nations and seemed to adapt very quickly to the premier league once in the first team.
Whatever 'potential' they may have mate, there's no way that a defence of Eboue-Senderos-Toure-Clichy is strong enough for Arsenal to win the league in my opinion.
I'm not saying that Terry isn't a better player than Hyypia!
I believe that the partnership between Hyypia and Carragher is fantastic (and the best in the league) hence the reason why I wouldn't break it up.
The only reason why I would change one component of the defence is because I believe Heinze is altogether a much better player than Riise. It is also easier to chop and change the fullback positions, rather than changing the Centreback positions.
I almost completely disagree about Toure, always seems to use the ball well to me. I will give you that to improve his defending he seems to have given up any willingness to carry the ball out.
You beat me to it. Toure is seen by Wenger as being so comfortable in possession that he can play in centre midfield, or even right wing. Granted, he's pretty much set in stone at centre-back now and has cut out a lot of the fancy stuff, but when he first arrived on the scene he played in any number of positions. He can play.
Snigger
07-08-06, 11:07 AM
So why not Aurelio at LB? I'd pick him over JAR
So why not Aurelio at LB? I'd pick him over JAR
Long term I would too, but I assume he went for the back four likely to start the season - and for me Aurelio should have to earn the left-back berth rather than just walk straight into the side at Riise's expense.
You beat me to it. Toure is seen by Wenger as being so comfortable in possession that he can play in centre midfield, or even right wing. Granted, he's pretty much set in stone at centre-back now and has cut out a lot of the fancy stuff, but when he first arrived on the scene he played in any number of positions. He can play.
Toure was there player of the season last year......he came on leaps and bounds last year.crackin player
Whatever 'potential' they may have mate, there's no way that a defence of Eboue-Senderos-Toure-Clichy is strong enough for Arsenal to win the league in my opinion.
Totally agree. However given a couple of seasons I genuinely think they have a chance of forging a new legend as a back unit for Arsenal. Our defence is head an shoulders above it this year but I think to improve we need to replace Riise and age will catch up with Hyypia at some point.
Would you swop this...
FINNAN-CARRA-SAMI-RIISE
For any of these...
1) FERREIRA-TERRY-CARVALHO-COLE
2) NEVILLE-FERDINAND-VIDIC-HEINZE
3) EBOUE-TOURE-SENDEROS-CLICHY
... Well, would you?
We may not have the best players, but we have the best back four as a unit .....the best back four would probably be
NEVILLE - HYPPIA - TERRY - HEINZE.
Hate to put Neville in front of finnan but do think he is better in attack than neville(ouch)
Red_Polo
07-08-06, 11:13 AM
You beat me to it. Toure is seen by Wenger as being so comfortable in possession that he can play in centre midfield, or even right wing. Granted, he's pretty much set in stone at centre-back now and has cut out a lot of the fancy stuff, but when he first arrived on the scene he played in any number of positions. He can play.
Definitely. I vaguely remember him putting in a MOM-winning performance playing at LM for Arse a couple of years ago before he was converterd to a CB.
Definitely. I vaguely remember him putting in a MOM-winning performance playing at LM for Arse a couple of years ago before he was converterd to a CB.
He did. I remember being very impressed with him on the wing against, I think, Leeds. I also remember being mightily shocked when I heard centre-back was the long term position for him. I thought he was a tricky winger! :o
paulcooper4
07-08-06, 11:16 AM
We may not have the best players, but we have the best back four as a unit .....the best back four would probably be
NEVILLE - HYPPIA - TERRY - HEINZE.
Hate to put Neville in front of finnan but do think he is better in attack than neville(ouch)
neville better than finnan??!!! stiffler better than carra???!!! tinnabeans better than ginge???!!! NNNNOOOOOOOOO...........
We may not have the best players, but we have the best back four as a unit .....the best back four would probably be
NEVILLE - HYPPIA - TERRY - HEINZE.
Hate to put Neville in front of finnan but do think he is better in attack than neville(ouch)
I would have Carra ahead of Hyypia in that. The right back is the toughest call. I think all of the players in that position are very good but not world beaters - Neville has I guess been the most consistant over a number of seasons.
I guess it depends what sort of team you want but I prefer Cole at LB to Heinze.
RedSwede
07-08-06, 11:22 AM
Of course Terry would make a great addition, aspecially as Sami has seen his best days. Not saying hes poor, hes still a great defender but Terry has his best days ahead. Heinze would definately be an improvement on Riise.
I don't agree that Hyypia has seen his best days - he was almost faultless last year, even when playing without a safety net for much of the season.
I can see Hyypia still being at LFC for another 3 years maybe more. The guy is a Legend.
paulcooper4
07-08-06, 11:28 AM
I don't agree that Hyypia has seen his best days - he was almost faultless last year, even when playing without a safety net for much of the season.
I can see Hyypia still being at LFC for another 3 years maybe more. The guy is a Legend.
yep, i`ll go with that. Hes never had any pace to lose so i can see him playing at the top level til his late 30`s
I think his comments about needing more recovery time last season hint that if he is to continue he will not be able to play every match. I guess that in order to get a new and stable back four we will have to not play him for an extended stretch either at the end of this season or the start of next.
brendan
07-08-06, 11:30 AM
Terry has his best days ahead
Hmmm, perhaps I'm letting my almost pathological loathing Of Abramovich FC, and intense dislike of Terry, colour my thinking here, but I'm not so sure his best days are ahead of him.
He hasn't got any pace to lose, but he seems quite heavy-set and lacking in elasticity, so I think the years may weigh quite heavily. Sami never had any pace either, but his lithe (almost gaunt) frame weathers the years far better.
I think his comments about needing more recovery time last season hint that if he is to continue he will not be able to play every match. I guess that in order to get a new and stable back four we will have to not play him for an extended stretch either at the end of this season or the start of next.
I think Paletta/Agger may be given a few games against the 'easy' teams at anfield,maybe taken off as well when we are two goals ahead in games
neville better than finnan??!!! stiffler better than carra???!!! tinnabeans better than ginge???!!! NNNNOOOOOOOOO...........
you dont know how much it hurt writing it :)
Le Chacal
07-08-06, 11:33 AM
Dont forget Gallas...Chelski is still better
I think Paletta/Agger may be given a few games against the 'easy' teams at anfield,maybe taken off as well when we are two goals ahead in games
Like Agger against Birmingham at Anfield last season huh?! :D
I take your point though, entirely. We just need to get "two goals ahead" in the first place.
RedSwede
07-08-06, 11:34 AM
I agree that he had one of his best seasons last year, but fact is that he´s not getting younger. If Agger and Paletta is what they seem to be, he souldnt be able to hold down a regular place for much longer, he´ll probably keep them out this season too though. Terry on the other hand is seven years younger and has a huge part of his carreer ahead of him.
RedSwede
07-08-06, 11:38 AM
Oh and just to avoid any confusion. I hate Terry and Chelski as much as anyone. And Sami is one of my all time Anfield favourites. The day he leaves will be a sad sad day.
Oh and just to avoid any confusion. I hate Terry and Chelski as much as anyone. And Sami is one of my all time Anfield favourites. The day he leaves will be a sad sad day.
It will indeed. I was at Hillsborough for his debut, and the very first thing he did in a Liverpool shirt was let a goal-kick bounce over his head. Little did I know after that abysmal opening ten minute spell what a trojan he'd turn out to be for us.
RESPECT.
Would you swop this...
FINNAN-CARRA-SAMI-RIISE
For any of these...
1) FERREIRA-TERRY-CARVALHO-COLE
2) NEVILLE-FERDINAND-VIDIC-HEINZE
3) EBOUE-TOURE-SENDEROS-CLICHY
... Well, would you?
Terry.
Howard_lfc
07-08-06, 12:04 PM
I reckon our unit is drilled far better than any other back four in the prem. Normally we hold a very good (straight) line and clear the box after the initial clearance better than any team I can remember. Just look at how many offside decisions we get and how few teams actually get in behind us.
However, I do get a little worried with the zonal marking from time to time but the overall results of playing that way have proved Rafa's right to use the system.
I think Arsenal also mark zonally. Not 100% sure, don't watch them enough to judge but I have heard it from people who do.
brikkis
07-08-06, 12:07 PM
Would you swop this...
FINNAN-CARRA-SAMI-RIISE
For any of these...
1) FERREIRA-TERRY-CARVALHO-COLE
2) NEVILLE-FERDINAND-VIDIC-HEINZE
3) EBOUE-TOURE-SENDEROS-CLICHY
... Well, would you?
I'd take Terry for Sami:handshake:
I reckon our unit is drilled far better than any other back four in the prem. Normally we hold a very good (straight) line and clear the box after the initial clearance better than any team I can remember. Just look at how many offside decisions we get and how few teams actually get in behind us.
I actually can't quite believe we've somehow managed to avoid widespread "Arsenal" jibes, insofar as our offside trap is concerned.
We absolutely mastered that art last season - all we were lacking was Tony Adams marching out of the line, with his barrel chest protruding and arm aloft. We were so incredibly well drilled at the back, that you get the feeling Rafa and his assistants could take any four pub players and get them working as a near impregnable, tight-as-fuck unit.
mark1975
07-08-06, 12:12 PM
The chelsea rearguard is probably as close as you will get, bar Ferreira (sp?).. I'd take Terry, Cole and at a push Carvalho.. but as far as a sound unit goes, last seasons back four (of ours) was excellent..
Shanks65
07-08-06, 12:17 PM
I'd probably take Heinze for the left back spot, but other than that, I'd keep our defence. And that includes having Hyypia there rather than Terry.
Totally agree.
Shanks65
07-08-06, 12:20 PM
I agree that he had one of his best seasons last year, but fact is that heŽs not getting younger. If Agger and Paletta is what they seem to be, he souldnt be able to hold down a regular place for much longer, heŽll probably keep them out this season too though. Terry on the other hand is seven years younger and has a huge part of his carreer ahead of him.
Paletta has made 2 errors in 2 games and Agger can't stay fit for 5 minutes.
Sami has nothing to worry about when it comes to losing his place in the side. The 2 replacements have a hell of a lot of work to do if they want to replace the legend that is Sami Hyypia.
Paletta has made 2 errors in 2 games and Agger can't stay fit for 5 minutes.
Sami has nothing to worry about when it comes to losing his place in the side. The 2 replacements have a hell of a lot of work to do if they want to replace the legend that is Sami Hyypia.
Wewont replace Sami Ever :cry: Absolute anfield legend!!
That's going a little too far mate.
Shanks65
07-08-06, 12:43 PM
That's going a little too far mate.
I reckon he's pretty much spot on, to be honest mate.
I have never seen a defender who is so dominant in the air. There simply isn't a defender anywhere who can match Sami in this department.
Sami also is hardly ever beaten in a 1 on 1 situation, despite his lack of pace.
Sami also holds and commands a great defensive line, despite 2 different managers asking him to defend in different ways.
In summary, Sami Hyypia is one of the greatest men ever to have walked the earth :handshake:
we have a great back four
but i would swap sami and riise for terry and heinze in a heartbeat
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 12:51 PM
Neville Ferdinand Carvalho Cole
Purely on footballing merit I'd prefer that back 4 to our own.
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 12:52 PM
they're all loathsome fukwits though.
Yup, imagine that back four with Lehmann in goal.
The most cnutish back 5 in Premier League history.
Neville Ferdinand Carvalho Cole
Purely on footballing merit I'd prefer that back 4 to our own.
I would worry about that back four in the air. Ferdinand is pretty decent aerially but doesn't dominate enough and Carvalho tened to crumble last season when teams targetted him in that way. Still it would be a good ball playing back four.
Neville Ferdinand Carvalho Cole
Purely on footballing merit I'd prefer that back 4 to our own.
Carvalho:???? he has been awful !! would also want a jamie/Terry just to mix it upa bit as well
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 01:03 PM
I think that Carvalho is, regrettably, a great player.
I think that Carvalho is, regrettably, a great player.
I'm coming round to him, I must say.
Based on what I'd seen of him in the Premiership, I had him down as an error strewn Art Garfunkel look-a-like, who crumbles under pressure. He's also a dirty bastard.
Away from the English league though, he appears to be a top class defender. He often outshines Terry in the CL and he had a superb World Cup. :(
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 01:09 PM
Yea, the fact that he looks like a tart made it difficult to take hims seriously at first but although he's very cynical (or perhaps because of it) I'd imagine he's very hard to play against.
brendan
07-08-06, 01:12 PM
Yea, the fact that he looks like a tart made it difficult to take hims seriously
Looks like a "tart"? In what way does he look like a tart?
If anything he looks like a dark-haired version of Rocky "Mommy my head hurts" Dennis from Mask.
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 01:14 PM
Doesn't he look like a Liverpool prozzie?
Y'know, in the morning after her make-up has relocated to one's crotch?
RedSwede
07-08-06, 01:14 PM
Paletta has made 2 errors in 2 games and Agger can't stay fit for 5 minutes.
Sami has nothing to worry about when it comes to losing his place in the side. The 2 replacements have a hell of a lot of work to do if they want to replace the legend that is Sami Hyypia.
Im aware of this. Not saying either of them is ready to be reagulars yet. Both players are very young and Paletta needs to learn English. But Im pretty sure atleast Agger will get alot of games this season, if he stays fit, and challenge Sami next season
saveferris
07-08-06, 01:14 PM
If Gallas were to go to Arsenal though then I think they would have an excellent defensive unit. I think Gallas is still seriously underrated (esp at Chelsea) and Toure has come on lots. Sure the full backs leave a lot to be desired but they are athletic and have decent experience.
I'm coming round to him, I must say.
Based on what I'd seen of him in the Premiership, I had him down as an error strewn Art Garfunkel look-a-like, who crumbles under pressure. He's also a dirty bastard.
Away from the English league though, he appears to be a top class defender. He often outshines Terry in the CL and he had a superb World Cup. :(
I have to say he has been better in Europe but I think he has been badly found out in the PL. Teams like Bolton just bombarded his side of defence with high balls and had a lot of joy. If Gallas goes I think they will need a new CB for that sort of game.
Shanks65
07-08-06, 01:19 PM
Im aware of this. Not saying either of them is ready to be reagulars yet. Both players are very young and Paletta needs to learn English. But Im pretty sure atleast Agger will get alot of games this season, if he stays fit, and challenge Sami next season
Not too sure to be honest mate, but I hope you're right. Agger and Paletta have a bag full of potential, but even so, I really can't see Agger getting in ahead of Sami this season. Maybe the odd game when Sami needs a rest, but that's it IMO. Besides, Agger may well not be fit when he's called upon, judging by his injury record.
RedSwede
07-08-06, 01:22 PM
Not too sure to be honest mate, but I hope you're right. Agger and Paletta have a bag full of potential, but even so, I really can't see Agger getting in ahead of Sami this season. Maybe the odd game when Sami needs a rest, but that's it IMO. Besides, Agger may well not be fit when he's called upon, judging by his injury record.
:handshake: Pretty much what I said. HeŽll get games when Sami needs resting, and a few in the cups etc. Hopefully stay fit and challenge nest season. Hopefully the injuries will go away...
Shanks65
07-08-06, 01:25 PM
:handshake: Pretty much what I said. HeŽll get games when Sami needs resting, and a few in the cups etc. Hopefully stay fit and challenge nest season. Hopefully the injuries will go away...
:handshake: Fingers crossed.
Re the Agger injuries - he simply must get completely fit if he is to become our 1st choice centre back. There is no way we can chop and change our centre back pairing every few weeks if we are to challenge for the Premiership.
RedSwede
07-08-06, 01:27 PM
Does anyone know what type of injuries thats holding him back ? Never seem to read anything about him anyware... Is it the same injury or different ones ?
Would you swop this...
FINNAN-CARRA-SAMI-RIISE
For any of these...
1) FERREIRA-TERRY-CARVALHO-COLE
2) NEVILLE-FERDINAND-VIDIC-HEINZE
3) EBOUE-TOURE-SENDEROS-CLICHY
... Well, would you?
Swop?
Mumsafan
07-08-06, 08:17 PM
He means swap
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