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singlerider
07-08-06, 01:02 PM
. . . Bellamy will score more all competitions than Djibs did?
Now, don't get me wrong - I always loved Djibs - his enthusiasm, his extravagance, his love for the club, and most importantly - his goals.
But, I think it was fairly obvious to all where his shortcomings lay - an unwillingness at times to work for the team (which did improve to be fair, but as a whole. . .), his decision making, his inconsistency and so on.
Having said that, despite all of the things against him, including the ones out of his control such as lack of opportunities and being played out of position, he still managed to score 19 goals.
Will Bellamy do better?
I reckon he will.
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 01:05 PM
If he avoids injury (and attacking the coaching staff) I think he could do it.
By jove, he could do it.
If he avoids injury (and attacking the coaching staff) I think he could do it.
By jove, he could do it.
I don't think he will.
My bet would be no, but he will do better in the league.
He will outscore Cisse in the premiership......and think he may get more than twenty, so Yep he has my vote;
He will outscore Cisse in the premiership......and think he may get more than twenty, so Yep he has my vote;
Based on what exactly do you think he'll score 20 goals ?
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 01:15 PM
Wow, that's a tough question.
*thinks*
singlerider
07-08-06, 01:15 PM
I don't think he will.
Why's that?
He's almost as quick (quicker with the ball), he has better control, he'll chase down the lost causes, he can dribble past his man as opposed to relying on knocking it past him and chasing - which leads into my next point - Cisse needed the killer ball to set him away otherwise he frequently would either not get past his man or be sheparded towards the corner flag.
IMO Bellamy is more of a creator - in that he can 'make' a goal by himself. Can't remember seeing Djibs do that too often.
Shanks65
07-08-06, 01:16 PM
Cisse got 19 in all comps, didn't he?
I can see Bellamy getting that too.
BUT crucially, I see Bellamy giving us the extra dimension of pace upfront, without the drawbacks which Cisse gave us - ie standing offside with hands on hips and making so so many wring decisions when in attacking positions.
Even if Bellamy doesn't score quite as many as Cisse, I think we will be a much better attacking side with Bellamy in the team instead of the Frenchman.
andyinswinton
07-08-06, 01:16 PM
I think Bellamy will do better but probably by not too much.
I don't know what Bellamy's record is like against the larger teams though. I still think we need a player who will score in the big games.
brendan
07-08-06, 01:16 PM
Based on what exactly do you think he'll score 20 goals ?
*puts hand up as high as possible*
Me!me!me!me!me! I know this one! Me!me!me!me!
Is it.......blind optimism?
*bites lip, waits for approval*
RedSwede
07-08-06, 01:17 PM
Im not sure about his total tally, but Im fairly sure he´ll score more in the premiership. I also think we as a team will score more than last season, given that we have proper wingers. If he stays fit and we get a good run in the cups I think he can reach atlest 20 goals. A lot of if´s and but´s though...
What is wrong with a bit of optimism? We haven't started the season yet, so it is the time for optimism!!! :)
I think Bellamy will provide much more to the team than Cisse did, but I don't think he'll get 19 goals. Anything over 15 will do for me.
*puts hand up as high as possible*
Me!me!me!me!me! I know this one! Me!me!me!me!
Is it.......blind optimism?
*bites lip, waits for approval*
Haha .....
*pats Brendan on the head*
. . . Bellamy will score more all competitions than Djibs did?
Now, don't get me wrong - I always loved Djibs - his enthusiasm, his extravagance, his love for the club, and most importantly - his goals.
But, I think it was fairly obvious to all where his shortcomings lay - an unwillingness at times to work for the team (which did improve to be fair, but as a whole. . .), his decision making, his inconsistency and so on.
Having said that, despite all of the things against him, including the ones out of his control such as lack of opportunities and being played out of position, he still managed to score 19 goals.
Will Bellamy do better?
I reckon he will.
Twenty goals in all competitons is a very realistic target for Bellamy.
brendan
07-08-06, 01:27 PM
What is wrong with a bit of optimism? We haven't started the season yet, so it is the time for optimism!!! :)
I think Bellamy will provide much more to the team than Cisse did, but I don't think he'll get 19 goals. Anything over 15 will do for me.
Piss-taking to one side, I do think he'll be brilliant and score lots.
I just have this feeling.
I really, really hope so anyway.
paulcooper4
07-08-06, 01:29 PM
I would be pleased if he got more than cisse but im not sure he will. his goals record has never really impressed me. BUT I think (hope) he will be a far better contributor to the team than cisse was
singlerider
07-08-06, 01:35 PM
Okay - to all those in the NO camp, what does Djibs have over Bellamy, and why do you reckon he won't exceed 19?
Lack of games against 'pub' teams?
Not as good a player?
Suspensions?
Why?
Djibs had a very lucky season and games against as you point out some pretty weak opposition. I also can't see Bellamy lasting all season without injury or suspension.
Yeah but he has never played for a team as good as us.
He will get a mountain of oppertunities to score.
Djibs had a very lucky season and games against as you point out some pretty weak opposition. I also can't see Bellamy lasting all season without injury or suspension.
Remember Djibs clocked up most of his tally in the first half of the season.
If he can do that, then surely Craig canin a WHOLE season.
Why's that?
He's almost as quick (quicker with the ball), he has better control, he'll chase down the lost causes, he can dribble past his man as opposed to relying on knocking it past him and chasing - which leads into my next point - Cisse needed the killer ball to set him away otherwise he frequently would either not get past his man or be sheparded towards the corner flag.
IMO Bellamy is more of a creator - in that he can 'make' a goal by himself. Can't remember seeing Djibs do that too often.
I don't have any problems with what you're saying about Bellamy, he's a better all round player than Djibs from what I've seen of him.
But realistically unless we play a lot of really poor teams in the League Cup and Bellamy plays in those games I can't see him hitting 20.
Here's his stats for seasons where he's played in the Premiership :
00/01 - 8 Goals in all competitions
01/02 - 15 Goals in all competitions (three against Brentford in the League Cup)
02/03 - 10 Goals in all competitions
03/04 - 9 Goals in all competitions
05/06 - 17 Goals in all competitions ( 2 against Huddersfield, 2 against QPR)
It's always a worthwhile exercise to look at a players goalscoring history when attempting to make a judgement on how his goalscoring is likely to be in the future. Based on these it looks like 20 goals is out of Bellamy's reach unless he plays games in the cups against weak opposition.
In his best year he scored 17 goals, was that his "career year" that he won't reach the heights of again ? Was it a sign of things to come ? He is after all at an age now where players are said to come into their prime, although that is a horrible generalisation. He's also at better club than previously which in theory should mean that he'll get more chances to score. He'll also face more competition to get into the team too, and he can be a quite injury prone.
I think that's covered everything now....:D
Weighing up all the things for and against , along with his Premiership history if I had to put money on Bellamy to score 20 or not to score 20, I'd back him not to score 20.
For the record I don't think he'll be far off 20.
Infadel
07-08-06, 01:40 PM
Okay - to all those in the NO camp, what does Djibs have over Bellamy,
He was better at getting offside!!!:)
I don't have any problems with what you're saying about Bellamy, he's a better all round player than Djibs from what I've seen of him.
But realistically unless we play a lot of really poor teams in the League Cup and Bellamy plays in those games I can't see him hitting 20.
Here's his stats for seasons where he's played in the Premiership :
00/01 - 8 Goals in all competitions
01/02 - 15 Goals in all competitions (three against Brentford in the League Cup)
02/03 - 10 Goals in all competitions
03/04 - 9 Goals in all competitions
05/06 - 17 Goals in all competitions ( 2 against Huddersfield, 2 against QPR)
It's always a worthwhile exercise to look at a players goalscoring history when attempting to make a judgement on how his goalscoring is likely to be in the future. Based on these it looks like 20 goals is out of Bellamy's reach unless he plays games in the cups against weak opposition.
In his best year he scored 17 goals, was that his "career year" that he won't reach the heights of again ? Was it a sign of things to come ? He is after all at an age now where players are said to come into their prime, although that is a horrible generalisation. He's also at better club than previously which in theory should mean that he'll get more chances to score. He'll also face more competition to get into the team too, and he can be a quite injury prone.
I think that's covered everything now....:D
Weighing up all the things for and against , along with his Premiership history if I had to put money on Bellamy to score 20 or not to score 20, I'd back him not to score 20.
For the record I don't think he'll be far off 20.
For someone so desperate to avoid the stigma, you're doing a very good impression of someone aspiring to be Ritchi3.
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 01:41 PM
The words out of my mouth.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, Bellamy was actually caught offside more times than Cisse in the Premiership last season.
I really hope he does well this season, especially as I have a little bet on him. (I was drunk).
singlerider
07-08-06, 01:47 PM
Fair doos
:handshake:
I just reckon with providers as good as Stevie & Xabi, he'll be smashing them in - again it comes down to the fact that I think he's a better all-round goal scorer than Djibs. If and when he gets an understanding with those two, and Robbie/Crouch/Kuyt/Whoever I think he has a better awareness of other players and makes more intelligent runs.
I'm hoping for/expecting 15 in the league plus whatever in cups etc.
For someone so desperate to avoid the stigma, you're doing a very good impression of someone aspiring to be Ritchi3.
Very funny ......
brendan
07-08-06, 01:50 PM
For someone so desperate to avoid the stigma, you're doing a very good impression of someone aspiring to be Ritchi3.
I pointed this out recently.
He did NOT take it very well.
Which make it all the more amusing, natch.
I pointed this out recently.
He did NOT take it very well.
Which make it all the more amusing, natch.
Yeah, he should change his name to 'Gimpi3'.
singlerider
07-08-06, 01:56 PM
Whatever happened to Ritchi?
BobTheCharmer
07-08-06, 01:58 PM
I hope he'll get 20 but I have my doubts. If he is were to lay off the old sauce this season, I suspect his injuries would be cut dramatically. Never a good mix I'm told.
Whatever happened to Ritchi?
Like I give a fcuk.
BobTheCharmer
07-08-06, 01:59 PM
Like I give a fcuk.
please, there may be ladies present old chap.
brendan
07-08-06, 01:59 PM
Whatever happened to Ritchi?
I think he got the arse and went elsewhere.
I quite liked Ritchi3, myself.
I think he got the arse and went elsewhere.
I quite liked Ritchi3, myself.
He reminds me of you now I think about it.
singlerider
07-08-06, 02:03 PM
Yeah, cos Brendan's always been renowned for his staunch defending of Crouch :p
*puts hand up as high as possible*
Me!me!me!me!me! I know this one! Me!me!me!me!
Is it.......blind optimism?
*bites lip, waits for approval*
not blind optimism......a hunch :)
Peter Delvechio
07-08-06, 02:10 PM
back
Based on what exactly do you think he'll score 20 goals ?
based on the fact he got a one in two ratio last year with Blackburn. He is maturing as a player. He is bustin a gut to prove he is good enough for LFC.
He has looked sharp pre-season and if he can score 12 for a team not renownedfor scoring goals he can easily get seven more for us.
Injuries permitting he willget morethan twenty this year.
based on the fact he got a one in two ratio last year with Blackburn. He is maturing as a player. He is bustin a gut to prove he is good enough for LFC.
He has looked sharp pre-season and if he can score 12 for a team not renownedfor scoring goals he can easily get seven more for us.
Injuries permitting he willget morethan twenty this year.
"more than twenty" eh?
Care to make a wager on that?
"more than twenty" eh?
Care to make a wager on that?
I'll take you up on that.
If he doesn't get a serious injury.
Assuming i can trust you to send me my winnings?
"more than twenty" eh?
Care to make a wager on that?
Yeh i will wager you ryan!! do you go to the games??? how about a soccer am -esque loser banner for the one who is wrong? ....or do you prefer hard cash?!
mind you i did say injuries permitting !!
brendan
07-08-06, 02:31 PM
Yeh i will wager you ryan!! do you go to the games??? how about a soccer am -esque loser banner for the one who is wrong? ....or do you prefer hard cash?!
mind you i did say injuries permitting !!
Your punctuation style is fucking exhausting.
I'll take you up on that.
If he doesn't get a serious injury.
Assuming i can trust you to send me my winnings?
As much as you like Pikeser.
I'd daresay I'm a lot better off than you, so you name the price...
brikkis
07-08-06, 02:32 PM
I reckon he'll get 20 plus goals in all competitions. My reason being he got 13 for Blackburn with a mediocre midfield. He now has Gerrard and Alonso supplying him with passes.
In fact what odds is he to get 20 plus goals this season in all comps? Anyone know?
Yeh i will wager you ryan!! do you go to the games??? how about a soccer am -esque loser banner for the one who is wrong? ....or do you prefer hard cash?!
mind you i did say injuries permitting !!
Excuses already eh?
I'm saying Craig Bellamy will not score "more than twenty" this season, and am prepared to bet anything on it.
What say you?
paulcooper4
07-08-06, 02:34 PM
As much as you like Pikeser.
I'd daresay I'm a lot better off than you, so you name the price...
Ryan im starting to dislike you more and more
paulcooper4
07-08-06, 02:35 PM
although i suspect thats what youre after, for the attention
Your punctuation style is fucking exhausting.
was not talking to you!!!!!! :)
Ps sorry i offend you with mypunctuation style. i shall change :handshake:
As much as you like Pikeser.
I'd daresay I'm a lot better off than you, so you name the price...
Fifty bills (Euro) as i don't know a thing about you and there is a matter of trust.
Where do you live?
Rules:
Bet voided if Bellamy is out for six or more straight weeks.
Bellamy to score Twenty or more in ALL competitions.
Accepted?
Ryan im starting to dislike you more and more
*ryan resists*
Fifty bills (Euro) as i don't know a thing about you and there is a matter of trust.
Where do you live?
Rules:
Bet voided if Bellamy is out for six or more straight weeks.
Bellamy to score Twenty or more in ALL competitions.
Accepted?
Accepted.
Accepted.
O.k, i've saved the thread.
You should do the same.:handshake:
Accepted.
i will make it fifty english pounds. agreeing to strawberry blondes rules
i will make it fifty english pounds. agreeing to strawberry blondes rules
Your original claim was "more than twenty", which is petty I know, but it was you who said it.
If you're still happy with that, then I'll take your bet on...
i will make it fifty english pounds. agreeing to strawberry blondes rules
:haha: What are they then?;)
Your original claim was "more than twenty", which is petty I know, but it was you who said it.
If you're still happy with that, then I'll take your bet on...
that one could make all the difference......How about bet void if he hits twenty exactly. petty i know :handshake:
Le Chacal
07-08-06, 02:51 PM
Like I give a fcuk.
Come on Ryan, he was your best mate...
Come on Ryan, he was your best mate...
I'd prefer to spend an afternoon in the company of Jeffrey Dahlmer whilst sellotaped to a chair and smothered in ranch dressing.
P.s, i'm honestly not this other chap you keep referring to me as.
singlerider
07-08-06, 03:01 PM
*sniggers*
Knew it was you as soon as I saw the username.
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