Spare a thought for Owen

[Dhav]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/4801049.stm

Really beginning to feel sorry for the lad. The acrimonious way he left us still rankles, but he's paid for that in bucketloads. These are the key years of his career and he is spnding them injured, at Newcastle. Plus there have to be serious concerns about his career that would surely jeopardise a move to a bigger club or back to Anfield.

A big waste of talent.

Must sit at home and think the worst decision he's ever made was leaving Anfield.

[Bob]

He gets paid 110k+ a week. Get over it.

[Dhav]

I bet that's not much of a consolation for him.

Dont get me wrong, I still think he is a back-stabbing little git, but you cant help but have a little sympathy for the way he flushed his career down the toilet.

[paulcooper4]

I promise you I have no sympathy for him:handshake:

[Dhav]

Dont blame you and I didnt either, but things just seem to get worse for him.

He is obviously a very ambitious lad, so this must really be a downer for him.

[univofchicago]

Must sit at home and think the worst decision he's ever made was leaving Anfield.

Yes, I am sure Owen regrets it. But in terms of injuries, I don't think it would have made any difference.

I remember last year when talk of Owen coming back was all over the KT forums. Some posters even got ridiculed almost for suggesting that Owen would be a huge risk given his past injury problems - you wonder how stupid those bashers look now.....

[Dhav]

Yes, I am sure Owen regrets it. But in terms of injuries, I don't think it would have made any difference.

I remember last year when talk of Owen coming back was all over the KT forums. Some posters even got ridiculed almost for suggesting that Owen would be a huge risk given his past injury problems - you wonder how stupid those bashers look now.....

Very true.

I remember Anfieldforever putting up a vehement defence of Owen's injury record and saying Owen wasn't injury prone.

Oh well, c'est la vie or whatever the fuck they say and whatever the fuck it means.

BTW mate - were you on KT Insider?

[PTP]

I feel for him - ok he is minted and he fucked us about etc etc but his career looks in a real bad way now, I doubt we will ever see him ripping defences apart again. He will struggle to get 100% fit and won't be a guarantee for England.

[univofchicago]

BTW mate - were you on KT Insider?

Fortunately NO! ;)

I was only 'univofchicago' on the free forums.:D

[spud_gun]

I bet that's not much of a consolation for him.

Dont get me wrong, I still think he is a back-stabbing little git, but you cant help but have a little sympathy for the way he flushed his career down the toilet.

Helll mend him. He choose to leave Liverpool in order to win trophies.

Zero sympathy for the fella at all.

[Dhav]

Helll mend him. He choose to leave Liverpool in order to win trophies.

Zero sympathy for the fella at all.

More than a fair assessment.

I just bet when he was leaving, even the worst case scenario in his mind wouldn't have turned out like this.

[spud_gun]

More than a fair assessment.

I just bet when he was leaving, even the worst case scenario in his mind wouldn't have turned out like this.

I imagined he thought he'd be helping Madrid lift number 10 and a couple of la liga titles when he left us.

To be honest i'd have a slight pang of sympathy for Owen had he been honest with the club and us about wanting a move instead of forcing the club into accepting a below market valuation for him.

I'm in no doubt that had we a lesser manager than Rafa in charge of the club at the time then our entire season would have been written off several weeks before it even started.

[TheStig]

I promise you I have no sympathy for him:handshake:
:handshake:

[Deano]

Aye - £8m quid is now looking pretty good

[dww]

I have to say I always have sympathy for footballers who actually want to play when they get long term injuries.

Owen did a lot for us while he was here. I have no hard feelings. I think the club have done their best to look like it was all Owens fault with the contract/transfer situation but if you look at the Gerrard situation the next year it becomes clear that our board have not always conducted themselves in a way which makes players happy in negotiations.

[Lasty]

Aye - £8m quid is now looking pretty good


Well yeah

[PTP]

I have to say I always have sympathy for footballers who actually want to play when they get long term injuries.

Owen did a lot for us while he was here. I have no hard feelings. I think the club have done their best to look like it was all Owens fault with the contract/transfer situation but if you look at the Gerrard situation the next year it becomes clear that our board have not always conducted themselves in a way which makes players happy in negotiations.

:handshake: agree

the others are just cold, heartless bastards:crackoff: :haha: :D

[enema of the state]

he made his bed

let him lie in it

[Mumsafan]

he made his bed

let him lie in it

If he can get up the stairs

[enema of the state]

If he can get up the stairs

:D :D

[andyinswinton]

Its a relief that we aren't paying his wages while he is out injured.

[PTP]

If he can get up the stairs
:haha:

[Morse]

Its a relief that we aren't paying his wages while he is out injured.



Who is paying Cisse's?

[rezaeos]

As ex-red and a fellow human being, I feel really sorry for the lad. But it looks like loads of bad luck followed his stupid glory hunting mistake.

[G_Man]

It's as if someone has a voodoo doll with his face on it or something :confused:

:haha: ;)

[G_Man]

Here's my thought:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/fullmulletalchemist/nelson_ha_ha.jpg

[rezaeos]

I wonder if he thinks what bbbbaaaadddd mistake he made, in leaving LFC, or is happy sitting on his behind earning his wages.

[Dhav]

Ela mate, you read my mind.

I started a very similar thread here: http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2299

As for Mickey, knowing what an ambitious little shitbag he was and thinking he was too big for Liverpool, I bet he is sitting at home wishing he never jumped ship.

It is quite sad the way a promising career has been flushed down the toilet, and ignoring the man and what he did, such a waste of potential is always a shame for that reason alone I do feel somewhat sorry for him

[red-or-dead]

I felt let down by Owen when he left, and it is clear that he made a bad decision (or two) but I still cannot get over the fact that he had what he viewed at the time to be an opportunity. He may have even viewed it as a career progression (mistake No.3). Given the same choices what would I have done, simple I would have stayed at Liverpool, but as has been said before "he made his bed..." I personnally hope he is comfy but I and Liverpool have moved on and all looks good for us, I would not resent Owen getting over his injury and playing again, in fact I wish him a rapid recovery. It is only by playing and beating the best that LFC can be the best whether that be an individual or a team and Owen was class.

Better out than in

[rezaeos]

Hey buddy. I hope he gets better soon. But he sure did flush his career down the toilet. What really bothers me about Owen was the way he pretended he wanted to come back to LFC but ended up at in Geordie land. He put his personal greed, going to Real, England ambition, going to NUFC, ahead of LFC. I'm amazed at how much support he had at the old site.

[rezaeos]

Yassou mate. G Man's reply is exactly how I some times feel about Owen. I feel very sorry for him as a human being.

[Rich]

I feel sorry for Owen to a certain extent.

However, Owen didn't have the belief or confidence that Rafa was going to turn our beloved club around. That was his biggest mistake, he should have signed a one year contract extension, seen the progress and then fully commited. Instead he decided to move to a club in turmoil, and has paid an incredibly high price ever since.

[Rich]

Merged two similar threads..... :)

[Dhav]

Hey buddy. I hope he gets better soon. But he sure did flush his career down the toilet. What really bothers me about Owen was the way he pretended he wanted to come back to LFC but ended up at in Geordie land. He put his personal greed, going to Real, England ambition, going to NUFC, ahead of LFC. I'm amazed at how much support he had at the old site.

Absolutely my friend.

I have no doubt that had Kuyt not declared his intention and desire to sign for us, Newcastle would have come in and outbid us.

If Owen held his nerve and did what Kuyt did, he might have rejoined us. Instead he lost his nerve and jumped into bed with the first slosher that came along for the sake of his England career and playing in the World Cup, which proved his downfall. In this respect he made his bed and deserved what he got.

The second snub to Liverpool means that despite what he ever says or does in the future he should never be brought back because his dedication to us is in question.

Compare to Stevie, who when push came to shove just couldnt leave, or Carra who said he wanted to stay for life.

On the other hand, if you ignore all that emotive stuff and just look impartially at the situation, it is a shame that such a promising career has gone to hell

[Dhav]

I feel sorry for Owen to a certain extent.

However, Owen didn't have the belief or confidence that Rafa was going to turn our beloved club around. That was his biggest mistake, he should have signed a one year contract extension, seen the progress and then fully commited. Instead he decided to move to a club in turmoil, and has paid an incredibly high price ever since.

This for me too is a key point. We brought in a manager who he himself wanted and then he didnt give the guy a chance. I'll be honest, at the time of the contract wrangling I thought he would sign a short term deal to see how things would develop. He didnt. His made a huge misjudgment.

Also shows how little he thought of the club.

[Rich]

He put himself ahead of anybody else - however he was also badly advised.

He didn't go to Madrid with a huge transfer fee hanging over his head - therefore there wasn't the 'need' for the management to play him for non-footballing reasons. He went, did pretty well, managers came and went and he was pushed out of the team. That is what a player should expect at Madrid, where the Coach has probably the final say (Perez, Raul, and other senior players had more say in team selection.)

[Dhav]

Yassou mate. G Man's reply is exactly how I some times feel about Owen. I feel very sorry for him as a human being.

I know what you mean mate. G Man made his views on Owen vey clear on KT, and I agreed with him every time.

He kind of got the comeuppance he deserved but I just think his latest setback is one punishment too many.

[Dhav]

He put himself ahead of anybody else - however he was also badly advised.

He didn't go to Madrid with a huge transfer fee hanging over his head - therefore there wasn't the 'need' for the management to play him for non-footballing reasons. He went, did pretty well, managers came and went and he was pushed out of the team. That is what a player should expect at Madrid, where the Coach has probably the final say (Perez, Raul, and other senior players had more say in team selection.)

With Ronaldo and Raul ahead of him and like you say with the small fee which kind of meant he wasnt a bona fide galactico, at best he was always going to be 3rd choice. But of course, he probably believed different, or was advised different. Any one with half a mind would have realised he wouldnt have got much playing time there.

[G_Man]

I know what you mean mate. G Man made his views on Owen vey clear on KT, and I agreed with him every time.

He kind of got the comeuppance he deserved but I just think his latest setback is one punishment too many.


Who? Me? ;)

[Rich]

I can't see him ever playing for a big club again to be honest - he might struggle through another few years at Newcastle and then call it quits and move into Horse racing or something.

Ultimately he'll have under-achieved, given his talent.

[Red_Polo]

I pity him

He could've been so much more. What a fool

[rubyred]

This for me too is a key point. We brought in a manager who he himself wanted and then he didnt give the guy a chance. I'll be honest, at the time of the contract wrangling I thought he would sign a short term deal to see how things would develop. He didnt. His made a huge misjudgment.

Also shows how little he thought of the club.

This is a major sore point for me. I remember Gerrard and Owen being asked what they thought about Rafa being appointed as manager. Both said how good he was blah, blah, blah. Owen was also bing constantly asked if he was going to sign a new contract, and frequently said that he was.

It seemed just like a few days later (although I can't remember the exact time scale) that he signed for Real Madrid.

It was the biggest mistake Owen made, followed closely by the mistake he made signing for Newcastle.

I think it's a shame because he was a good player for us, but these two moves have ruined his chances of winning trophies, cups or titles. His greed and/or ambition outweighed both his loyalty to LFC and his willingness to wait and see how things worked out under Rafa.

I wonder what he thinks these days when he sees some football pundits saying that Newcastle will be lucky not to be relegated, while we are being tipped as potential Prem title winners.

[G_Man]

I pity him

He could've been so much more. What a fool

http://www.ozskier.com/blog/uploaded_images/Mr.%20T%20(Small)-780909.jpg

[spud_gun]

I wonder what he thinks these days when he sees some football pundits saying that Newcastle will be lucky not to be relegated, while we are being tipped as potential Prem title winners.

Hell f**king mend him!

[Los Rojos]

I have to say I always have sympathy for footballers who actually want to play when they get long term injuries.

Owen did a lot for us while he was here. I have no hard feelings. I think the club have done their best to look like it was all Owens fault with the contract/transfer situation but if you look at the Gerrard situation the next year it becomes clear that our board have not always conducted themselves in a way which makes players happy in negotiations.

That's a fair point about the board. With regards to Owen, he'll never be forgotten for all the good he did for the club (2001 FA Cup final etc.), but unfortunately, he'll never be really respected for the way he left and his obsession with England (even worse for a Welshman).

With regards to legends who have left the club, I'd rather have sympathy for someone like Ray Kennedy who has struggled with illness over recent years, not having made the fortune that the present day footballer make.

[Red_Polo]

http://www.ozskier.com/blog/uploaded_images/Mr.%20T%20(Small)-780909.jpg

:haha:

[El Diego]

I don't care about Owen anymore I think it's funny that his life has been going down faster than the titanic.

[The Glove]

He's got a sore leg and the best treatment money can buy and he is set up so he never has to do a days work ever again. Whats to feel sorry for?

[ferg]

spare a thought for a greedy boy? no.