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Sheffield United are to sue West Ham for the cost of their relegation from the Premier League.
The Blades were relegated after the Premier League opted not to dock West Ham points for fielding an ineligible player in Carlos Tevez.
Sheffield United have estimated the cost of their relegation at between £30m-£50m.
The Blades claim West Ham gained an unfair advantage by signing an illicit player in Tevez.
Let It Go You Bitter Fucking Tossers! If You Weren't So Utterly Utterly Shite You May Have Stayed Up!
El Diego
16-08-07, 10:25 AM
I am fucking sick and tired of Sheffield United. They were shit they went down deal with it!
Gordy Boy
16-08-07, 10:32 AM
Maybe Sheff Utd supporters could sue the owners of the club for fleecing them out of £25 a week to watch the shite they were serving up last year.
They could go one further and sue Neil Warnock for mis-managing the team and getting them relegated whilst earning a fucking fortune in the process and doing a bunk as soon as they went down.
Let It Go You Bitter Fucking Tossers! If You Weren't So Utterly Utterly Shite You May Have Stayed Up!
Whilst I agree that they should just let it go as they went down because they were not good enough, it really is a disgrace that West Ham got away with playing a player whom they never owned, which is against the rules. I'd love to see West Ham go down.
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 10:48 AM
If the Premier League weren't so utterly spineless and corrupt, Sheff Utd wouldn't have gone down.
There won't be many clubs/companies who'll let 30-50 million quid go.
I hope the Blades do take Ice Ham for 50 million.:rock:
Gordy Boy
16-08-07, 10:49 AM
I'd really like to see Sheff Utd lose the playoff final this year.
Mainly to see who they blame it on.
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 10:50 AM
If we found out that Milan fielded a player they didn't own for the Champions league final, would you let that go?
To be honest I think that they have to try the best for their club. he PL fucked up with the reasoning it gave for it's actions and has left itself and West Ham open for a good financial kicking if their is any justice in the world.
I actually think that the right punishment was probably arrived at and like in previous instances the new owners should have been allowed to start with a clean slate in terms of points etc. It is the bullshit 'it wasn't the fans fault' reasoning and the web of bullshit spun by both the PL and West Ham afterwards which got me. I remain baffled why west ham couldn't have signed a new agreement identical in form to the one we had for Mascherano that covered Tevez 'til the end of the season. The crap about tearing up the original agreement was clearly a load of bollocks as the unsueing Tevez to Man U debacle proved.
I agree. The Premier League made a right royal fuck up of it and allowed West Ham to effectively get away with breaking the rules.
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 10:52 AM
I'd really like to see Sheff Utd lose the playoff final this year.
Mainly to see who they blame it on.
Don't you think they have a point with the Tevez case?:confused:
He was the main reason Ice Ham stayed up to be fair.
I can understand the school of thought that Sheff U didn't win enough games and blew it big time against Wigan, AT HOME, on the final day, but there can surely be no argument that West Ham CHEATED and have been allowed to get away with it by a corrupt-as-fuck Premier League. No wonder t'Blaaaaades feel totally cheated.
Brown envelopes still rule, seemingly.
If we found out that Milan fielded a player they didn't own for the Champions league final, would you let that go?
Yeah, and the player in question virtually destroyed us on his own and scored a hat-trick in a 3-0 win....
EVERYONE would be up in arms. People are allowing a hatred for Warnock/Sheff United to get in the way of the real, sporting issue. End of.
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 10:58 AM
Yeah, and the player in question virtually destroyed us on his own and scored a hat-trick in a 3-0 win....
EVERYONE would be up in arms. People are allowing a hatred for Warnock/Sheff United to get in the way of the real, sporting issue. End of.
What would cause even more of an uproar is if Parry et al did decide to "let it go".There'd be a lynching.
I really don't see what else Sheff Utd can do to get justice. The club administrators wouldn't get away with letting it go, the fans would tear them apart. If they've explored every avenue and still failed then at least they can look their supporters in the eye and say they did their best.
I can understand the school of thought that Sheff U didn't win enough games and blew it big time against Wigan, AT HOME, on the final day, but there can surely be no argument that West Ham CHEATED and have been allowed to get away with it by a corrupt-as-fuck Premier League. No wonder t'Blaaaaades feel totally cheated.
Brown envelopes still rule, seemingly.
What gets me is that they didn't even make them sort it out conclusively between being found guilty and the end of the season. The whole thing stunk and then led to the frankly embarrassing farrago this summer.
Especially when a ready made solution was in front of everyone which would have made at least most people happy in a deal along the lines we had with Mascher. Even if it wasn't corruption it was certainly gross incompetence and I hope some one looses their job over it.
Sheffield United are to sue West Ham for the cost of their relegation from the Premier League.
The Blades were relegated after the Premier League opted not to dock West Ham points for fielding an ineligible player in Carlos Tevez.
Sheffield United have estimated the cost of their relegation at between £30m-£50m.
The Blades claim West Ham gained an unfair advantage by signing an illicit player in Tevez.
:rant:
The more this story unfolds, the more I hate those Sheffield küntz! Will they ever accept the fact that they sucked ass in the Premiership and were relegated because they can't play football? Or will they blame everyone else for it? They sound almost like Everton ffs :shake:
People are allowing a hatred for Warnock/Sheff United to get in the way of the real, sporting issue. End of.
And, your point is? :D
Was there actually a precedent set by the premier league that points should be docked? I don't think there was any thing that said this HAD to be the punishment.
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 11:02 AM
And, your point is? :D
Was there actually a precedent set by the premier league that points should be docked? I don't think there was any thing that said this HAD to be the punishment.
The problem would be that no team has ever got away with fielding an inelligible player for the whole season. :haha: So that's why there is no precedent.
Points have been docked before, Boro and Swindon come to mind. Swindon being the most harsh case IMO.
Gordy Boy
16-08-07, 11:05 AM
Don't you think they have a point with the Tevez case?:confused:
He was the main reason Ice Ham stayed up to be fair.
Sheff Utd blamed West Ham fielding Tevez, us fielding a weakened team, 'Warnock's old mate' Fergie not doing them a favour on the last day,the Premier League for not finding in their favour, and I'm sure I've forgotten a whole host of other people and reasons.
Any sympathy I had for their situation went right out of the window when they seemed determined to prove, at all costs, that it wasn't shit football that got them relegated. It had to be somebody else's fault.
Neil Warnock personified the whole club last year, a self opinionated twat acting up on the 'we're only a little club from the North so nobody gives a shite about us' attitude that he did as much as anyone to create.
The Premier League did fuck it up, but it doesn't mean I need to show any sympathy to a club that were/are so keen to shirk responsibility.
What gets me is that they didn't even make them sort it out conclusively between being found guilty and the end of the season. The whole thing stunk and then led to the frankly embarrassing farrago this summer.
Especially when a ready made solution was in front of everyone which would have made at least most people happy in a deal along the lines we had with Mascher. Even if it wasn't corruption it was certainly gross incompetence and I hope some one looses their job over it.
:handshake: It was obvious to everybody that the whole thing stunk from day one. Remember when West Ham signed Mascher and Tevez? As soon as it was announced the involvement of MSI was touted around and everybody was saying the deal was dodgy, that they were going to Chelsea or Manure this season and West Ham was being used as a feeder club etc. It was suspicious from the start, but the Premier League chose not to act then, and didn't act properly later either.
The whole thing stinks.
Sheff Utd blamed West Ham fielding Tevez, us fielding a weakened team, 'Warnock's old mate' Fergie not doing them a favour on the last day,the Premier League for not finding in their favour, and I'm sure I've forgotten a whole host of other people and reasons.
Any sympathy I had for their situation went right out of the window when they seemed determined to prove, at all costs, that it wasn't shit football that got them relegated. It had to be somebody else's fault.
Neil Warnock personified the whole club last year, a self opinionated twat acting up on the 'we're only a little club from the North so nobody gives a shite about us' attitude that he did as much as anyone to create.
The Premier League did fuck it up, but it doesn't mean I need to show any sympathy to a club that were/are so keen to shirk responsibility.
Best post so far :handshake:
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 11:08 AM
Sheff Utd blamed West Ham fielding Tevez, us fielding a weakened team, 'Warnock's old mate' Fergie not doing them a favour on the last day,the Premier League for not finding in their favour, and I'm sure I've forgotten a whole host of other people and reasons.
Any sympathy I had for their situation went right out of the window when they seemed determined to prove, at all costs, that it wasn't shit football that got them relegated. It had to be somebody else's fault.
Neil Warnock personified the whole club last year, a self opinionated twat acting up on the 'we're only a little club from the North so nobody gives a shite about us' attitude that he did as much as anyone to create.
The Premier League did fuck it up, but it doesn't mean I need to show any sympathy to a club that were/are so keen to shirk responsibility.
You see, I think you're getting mixed up with Sheff Utd FC and Neil Warnock.
It's natural for managers to shirk responsibility for failure, they ALL do it. All of them blame ref's, linesmen, the strip, opposition players cheating. All managers shirk the blame.
Sheff Utd FC has only blamed the premier league and Ice Ham. I think they have a point.
Neil Young
16-08-07, 11:09 AM
Sheff Utd blamed West Ham fielding Tevez, us fielding a weakened team, 'Warnock's old mate' Fergie not doing them a favour on the last day,the Premier League for not finding in their favour, and I'm sure I've forgotten a whole host of other people and reasons.
Any sympathy I had for their situation went right out of the window when they seemed determined to prove, at all costs, that it wasn't shit football that got them relegated. It had to be somebody else's fault.
Neil Warnock personified the whole club last year, a self opinionated twat acting up on the 'we're only a little club from the North so nobody gives a shite about us' attitude that he did as much as anyone to create.
The Premier League did fuck it up, but it doesn't mean I need to show any sympathy to a club that were/are so keen to shirk responsibility.
It wasn't their shit football that got them relegated. It was the Premier League's (or was it the FA's?) failure to sanction West Ham for fielding an ineligible player. If they had done it properly (according to precedent) then Sheffield United would have ended up with more points than West Ham.
It's not an emotional issue.
The problem would be that no team has ever got away with fielding an inelligible player for the whole season. :haha: So that's why there is no precedent.
Points have been docked before, Boro and Swindon come to mind. Swindon being the most harsh case IMO.
Didn't somebody get chucked out of the FA Cup last season for fielding an inelligible player? Bury was it?
Neil Young
16-08-07, 11:11 AM
Didn't somebody get chucked out of the FA Cup last season for fielding an inelligible player? Bury was it?
There was a team I think but certainly there are lots of precedents where teams have lost points or been thrown out of competitions for fielding ineligible players.
It wasn't their shit football that got them relegated. It was the Premier League's (or was it the FA's?) failure to sanction West Ham for fielding an ineligible player. If they had done it properly (according to precedent) then Sheffield United would have ended up with more points than West Ham.
It's not an emotional issue.
You're right. But I just hate those ****s so very much, I wish they'd be in Conference north right now :handshake:
If we found out that Milan fielded a player they didn't own for the Champions league final, would you let that go?
Didn't Milan basically cheat their way into the CL? Fixed matches, got docked points and only through legal recourse severely mitigating their punishment where they allowed back in to the competition?
Don't hear us moaning about that.
It wasn't their shit football that got them relegated. It was the Premier League's (or was it the FA's?) failure to sanction West Ham for fielding an ineligible player. If they had done it properly (according to precedent) then Sheffield United would have ended up with more points than West Ham.
It's not an emotional issue.
They had a lawyer on 5Live at the time who said that the problem was that none of the precedents available were applicable for a variety of reasons. Meaning that PL got to make an entirely random judgment using an independent panel who seemingly had no idea what criteria they were supposed to use in the judgment.
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 11:15 AM
Didn't Milan basically cheat their way into the CL? Fixed matches, got docked points and only through legal recourse severely mitigating their punishment where they allowed back in to the competition?
Don't hear us moaning about that.
The reason you don't hear us moaning about that is because they didn't cheat against us. They played it fair and square. They got through group stages, knock out stages etc before facing us over 90 minutes and deservedly won the game.
If there was a sniff of suspicion that they fixed that game or cheated then I think we'd have a tiny bit of a moan. Imagine if Inzaghi was ineligible.
Neil Young
16-08-07, 11:15 AM
They had a lawyer on 5Live at the time who said that the problem was that none of the precedents available were applicable for a variety of reasons. Meaning that PL got to make an entirely random judgment using an independent panel who seemingly had no idea what criteria they were supposed to use in the judgment.
Oh OK. Mind you, lawyers will say anything. :D
:handshake:
Red Chilli
16-08-07, 11:16 AM
Oh OK. Mind you, lawyers will say anything. :D
:handshake:
as will 5 live :D
Gordy Boy
16-08-07, 11:28 AM
If they had done it properly (according to precedent) then Sheffield United would have ended up with more points than West Ham.
I didn't think a precedent had been set. I thought this was the first case of it's kind that the Premier League had adjudicated on, and therefore they set the benchmark regarding punishment by fining and not docking points.
As I said, the Premier League did fuck it up, but the constant bleating from Sheff Utd (the 'it's Warnock not Sheff Utd' argument doesn't wash either - he was the public face of the club) means a lot of sympathy to their cause will have been lost.
The reason you don't hear us moaning about that is because they didn't cheat against us. They played it fair and square. They got through group stages, knock out stages etc before facing us over 90 minutes and deservedly won the game.
If there was a sniff of suspicion that they fixed that game or cheated then I think we'd have a tiny bit of a moan. Imagine if Inzaghi was ineligible.
I take your point on board, but I'm not too sure.
If it's just a "sniff of suspicion" as you say, then it just seems that you're bitter and not very gracious in defeat. I mean it is somehting I could definitely see the likes of Chelsea and Everton doing, but I would have hoped we'd have too much dignity, integrity and magnanimity to start throwing around accusations to mask our own inadequacies.
Red_Polo
16-08-07, 02:12 PM
Let's not forget we still hear stories of the 2nd leg of the '65 European cup semi being fixed. If you feel you've been cheated then you're not going to just ignore it. I fucking hate Sheff Utd, but they were cheated.
say ronaldo was ineligable for united last season would you say it was chelsea fault they didnt win the league or that the scum cheated
this in not a warnock issue!
royzared
16-08-07, 02:37 PM
West Ham at no point during last season played an ineligible player,both players were eligible to play in all competitions,this was agreed with the FA.and the EPL.
It was third party involvement in the contracts that was the problem,it meant they could be sold without West Ham's say so this broke EPL rules,but did'nt change the eligibility of the player.
Therefore there was no precedent.That's not to say the punishment was correct just that you can't use Swindon etc.because their case was completely different.
They fucked it up big time and based it on something that silly as that they feel sorry for the West Ham fans if the would be relegated because their board had messed up.
What about the Sheffield U fans then, is they worth less than the West Ham fans? They are according to the verdict.
West Ham only stayed up because the PL didn't want the whole dirty affair to be investigated from top to bottom. Then many dirty things would pop up, like why Tevez and Mascherano was allowed to sign in the first place?
I don't believe for a second that the PL didn't knew about who owned Tevez and Mascherano. They were allowed to join West Ham because whey are two world class players IMO so the PL didn't give a shit who owns them and hoped that it would never be investigated.
Just look what happened this summer when Tevez signed for United. The PL said that most of the money from the deal must go to West Ham. £2m out of something like £25m will do that. I can't call that most of the money.
They were afraid what would happened if the case would go to court so they allowed it anyway.
El Diego
17-08-07, 11:16 AM
Didn't Milan basically cheat their way into the CL? Fixed matches, got docked points and only through legal recourse severely mitigating their punishment where they allowed back in to the competition?
Don't hear us moaning about that.
I was raging for about a week after that. I still feel they shouldn't have been in it and I hate AC Milan.
Neil Young
17-08-07, 11:35 AM
Sheffield United are to sue West Ham for the cost of their relegation from the Premier League.
The Blades were relegated after the Premier League opted not to dock West Ham points for fielding an ineligible player in Carlos Tevez.
Sheffield United have estimated the cost of their relegation at between £30m-£50m.
The Blades claim West Ham gained an unfair advantage by signing an illicit player in Tevez.
It's Ice Ham. :shake:
Kenneth
17-08-07, 01:38 PM
I think you'd have to be a moron to slate Sheffield Utd for trying to do what's best for their club having seen the PL squirm over the last few months. Yes, they were shit, yes their manager was a twat, but that is completely irrelevant. I want a clean game without the whiff of favouritism, or even corruption. That whiff remains and if it takes a court case to get to the bottom of it, so be it.
Gordy Boy
17-08-07, 01:47 PM
I want a clean game without the whiff of favouritism, or even corruption.
You're probably better off following golf then because while there's millions to be made in football it will never be 'clean'.
royzared
17-08-07, 01:53 PM
It's Ice Ham. :shake:
Please don't give it credibility.:sigh:
Red_Polo
17-08-07, 03:18 PM
It's Ice Ham. :shake:
:grr: :sigh:
is iced ham the opposite of boiled ham?
Red Chilli
18-08-07, 12:13 AM
is iced ham the opposite of boiled ham?
that sounds quite nice actually :handshake:
Joorabchian would back Tevez inquiry
Kia Joorabchian would be happy to fund a new inquiry into the Carlos Tevez transfer saga as he searches for "honesty and transparency".
Tevez's representative claims the initial Premier League investigation into the terms of the player's transfer to West Ham in August last year, which ended with the Hammers being found guilty of breaching rules on third-party ownership and being fined �million, was conducted with only "50% of the facts", and wants a new inquiry.
"I don't like the way (Premier League chief executive) Richard Scudamore has, in a roundabout way, made suggestions and dragged me, my players, West Ham and the Premier League through the mud during this period of time," Joorabchian said.
"That's why I want a proper independent inquiry and if the Premier League clubs agree, I'm willing to finance it, whatever it costs. Let's have total transparency Mr Scudamore, we have nothing to hide.
"Why was a full, transparent and thorough investigation not done when your member clubs have a right to know what's happened? Why are they clouding this issue?
"Why were the full facts not heard? Why were people not questioned? They never once asked us about any paperwork, never held discussions with us, never wrote us a letter. How did they decide on a �million fine with only 50% of the facts."
As well as escaping with a fine instead of a points deduction the Hammers were also controversially cleared to continuing playing Tevez for the remainder of the season after writing to Joorabchian notifying him that the club was cancelling the third party ownership agreement.
Joorabchian did not agree to the cancellation but that did not stop Tevez from playing on and scoring the goals that kept the Hammers up and condemned Sheffield United to relegation.
Tevez has now moved on loan to Manchester United after Joorabchian reached an out-of-court settlement with West Ham to release the player from his contract with the London club.
http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7133044
Kenneth
19-08-07, 11:59 AM
The Sheffield Telegraph is saying sheffield Utd claim to have evidence of West Ham attempting to buy Tevez from Joorabchian after the PL made is judgement, i.e. West Ham knew they still didn't own the player. The civil case could be pretty interesting if true.
Red Chilli
19-08-07, 12:02 PM
I think Ice Ham are going to struggle to wriggle out of this. Had it all been left to the idiots at the Premier League/FA then Ice Ham would have been OK. Now it seems to be gong further, Ice Ham are going to end up with a costly bill.
Personally I think Ice Ham would be better settling out of court.
Kenneth
19-08-07, 12:02 PM
You're probably better off following golf then because while there's millions to be made in football it will never be 'clean'.
:rash:
I think Ice Ham are going to struggle to wriggle out of this. Had it all been left to the idiots at the Premier League/FA then Ice Ham would have been OK. Now it seems to be gong further, Ice Ham are going to end up with a costly bill.If the Hammers did attempt to buy him, as is claimed, then they lied when they made assurances to the PL that they have ripped up the agreements with Kia and owned the player. That could be punnishable in itself.
i officially rename ice ham to boiled ham.
why?
no idea
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