View Full Version : Martin Jol (again)
Spurs concede another 3 goals! This time to pishy Newcastle :jaw:
Thats just shameful.
Everytime Jol is discussed we always seem to see an endless line of people saying how good a manager he is and how he has been doing a good job?
Seriously? His defence is a total disgrace. The whole missing Ledley King argument just doesnt stand up for me. Every team misses key players from time to time but are still able to form some sort of defensive sytem.
Tottenham, however have consistantly over the past few years (under Jol) conceded 2/3 goals per match. Its appaling that a manager at such a high profile club cannot sort out a defence.
Martin Jol= Kevin Keegan.
The similarities are so obvious.
Im sure he's a lovely guy but its glaringly obvious he isnt capable. A top class manager has the tactical knowledge and intelligence to put together a solid defensive system first and foremost.........
He's half way out the door. And he only has himself to blame
He took a club who are notoriously unstable to 5th in the league twice, while playing attractive football. He is a very good coach with obvious flaws who has had to deal with not being bought the players he wants. He has also had to deal with being blatantly undermined by his board throughout this season.
To be honest the board should have sacked him already having made him a dead man walking. The current situation is helping no one, even if it saves them paying severance pay.
Darth Marty
23-10-07, 09:32 AM
He took a club who are notoriously unstable to 5th in the league twice, while playing attractive football. He is a very good coach with obvious flaws who has had to deal with not being bought the players he wants. He has also had to deal with being blatantly undermined by his board throughout this season.
To be honest the board should have sacked him already having made him a dead man walking. The current situation is helping no one, even if it saves them paying severance pay.
Completely agree.:handshake:
His position is untenable so just get shot of the guy. But...Ill bet thats it for your 5th place finishes you fuckers...Jol has done a very good job for you.
It's looking pretty serious of ole Jol-ly boy.
He's spent big and has a laughing stock of a defence - where he's spent a lot of money on too (Bale, Kaboul, Chimbonda to name 3!)
His time is up, and it's just a question of when, in my opinion.
I can actually see them trying and maybe landing Carlo Ancelotti, with Mourinho the new manager at AC Milan...
He's spent big and has a laughing stock of a defence - where he's spent a lot of money on too (Bale, Kaboul, Chimbonda to name 3!)
The thing is he gets a lot of stick for this but he doesn't buy the players and two of those are obviously attacking rather than defensive fullbacks and he has been refused a holding midfield player.
Obviously he is not a great defensive coach but he shouldn't take all the blame when someone else is buying the players.
Darth Marty
23-10-07, 09:41 AM
if it makes spurs sell a few id want Rafa to be in for Bale (left back nailed down for 10 years), Lennon (gone off the boil but potentially very exciting) and why not Berbatov? (like someone else said exchange numerous squad players & cash for him, pennant, crouch, kewell, riise....theres loads).
You never know..........
if it makes spurs sell a few id want Rafa to be in for Bale (left back nailed down for 10 years), Lennon (gone off the boil but potentially very exciting) and why not Berbatov? (like someone else said exchange numerous squad players & cash for him, pennant, crouch, kewell, riise....theres loads).
You never know..........
I can't see it doing so . Surely to a degree thats the point of having a director of football/coach system - that the change would involve minimal disruption at player level?
Darth Marty
23-10-07, 09:53 AM
Agreed, however a new manager/coach will always bring his approach, ideas and will have a ready made opinion on players. New coach = players for sale 100% of the time. Just hope its players we could use.
Surely Jol has some input into the decision making process?
Why would he or anybody put themselves into a position where they are made to look stupid because people "behind the scenes" are making decisions that for people looking into the club, rest on the head coach's shoulders!
Surely Jol has some input into the decision making process?
Why would he or anybody put themselves into a position where they are made to look stupid because people "behind the scenes" are making decisions that for people looking into the club, rest on the head coach's shoulders!
Thats the way it works in many continental setups. He apparently goes to a panel including the director of football and says what he wants. Apparently he asked for a holding player and got Zakora - which is patently not what he needed.
I have to say, the more I see Dawson, the more I realise what a BAD BAD player he is. Chimbonda is also a terrible defender. How they miss King. Lee and Kaboul are hardly the best defensively either. Then he has no top quality central defensive midfielder. Zokora is average.
He needs to buy big time. The problem lies in his players but he should realise this.
End of the day he has capable players in his squad. Very athletic and physically strong players. Those are Premiership standard. A capable manager would be able to build a half decent defence. Whether or not the signings were his choice or not is irrelevant
The Erectile Banana
23-10-07, 02:10 PM
I've always thought Jol could turn Spurs around but at this stage I think it may be beyond him.
As others have already said their squad is too big: high on quantity low on quality. They have a good set of strikers but the rest of their team is nothing to get excited about.
He took a club who are notoriously unstable to 5th in the league twice, while playing attractive football. He is a very good coach with obvious flaws who has had to deal with not being bought the players he wants. He has also had to deal with being blatantly undermined by his board throughout this season.
To be honest the board should have sacked him already having made him a dead man walking. The current situation is helping no one, even if it saves them paying severance pay.
I agree with the last part of your post, but I do think Jol messed up himself by not buying defensive reinforcements. Instead of buying Bent, who wasnt needed, he knew King was injury prone and should have bought in someone else apart from Kabol, who is average at best.
Neil Young
23-10-07, 02:58 PM
I agree with the last part of your post, but I do think Jol messed up himself by not buying defensive reinforcements. Instead of buying Bent, who wasnt needed, he knew King was injury prone and should have bought in someone else apart from Kabol, who is average at best.
Sack Jol. :handshake:
Founder member: The Jabba Can Do No Right Brigade.
I agree with the last part of your post, but I do think Jol messed up himself by not buying defensive reinforcements. Instead of buying Bent, who wasnt needed, he knew King was injury prone and should have bought in someone else apart from Kabol, who is average at best.
Like I said he isn't in charge of purchases so I find it hard to blame him. I'm sure he has some input but my guess would be he would have had a different distribution of money on the purchases (and would have bought a holding midfielder and a left winger with the money).
Like I said he isn't in charge of purchases so I find it hard to blame him. I'm sure he has some input but my guess would be he would have had a different distribution of money on the purchases (and would have bought a holding midfielder and a left winger with the money).
Maybe he isn't good enough to take care of the business even if he got the chance. He said that Agger would fail big time in the PL because he is a left back and not a central defender.
Rafa Shankly
23-10-07, 04:24 PM
not that i give a shit about jol or spurs but they have been pretty unlucky with their fixture list so far this season.
kind of like us last season theyve faced a lot of top teams early on and all away from home too.
their still shit though and id love to see them go down,just to piss my my mate off.:haha:
This is an interesting article about howSpurs are run and what Jol is up against:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2156440,00.html
Jol bruised by boardroom blunders
Spurs' botched handling of the Michael Carrick sale typifies the turmoil at White Hart Lane, reports Kevin Mitchell
Sunday August 26, 2007
The Observer
When Martin Jol looks out on the Old Trafford pitch this afternoon, his gaze might linger on one opposition player in particular. If Jol had not been forced, against his better judgment, to sell Michael Carrick to Manchester United last year, Tottenham would in all likelihood not be in such turmoil and the manager's authority would be intact instead of in tatters.
The Carrick saga, more than any of the many others that have blighted Jol's time at Spurs, defines what is wrong with the club. Lining up for Tottenham in his place will probably be Didier Zokora, a player Jol had forced on him and who has hardly been an unqualified success at White Hart Lane. This is not the team the Dutchman could and should have had at his disposal.
It is now emerging that there have been several other transfer blunders. But it is not just past follies that haunt Jol and Tottenham. As well as speculation about the manager's future there are rumours - denied, of course - that star striker Dimitar Berbatov is still being courted by United. Clandestine meetings with likely candidates for Jol's job have also lent an air of intrigue to the sorry affair.
So Tottenham go into today's match burdened by much more than the prospect of trying to beat a Manchester United team yet to be roused to full pitch. The players and Jol have to put behind them one of the worst weeks in the long and sometimes glorious history of the club, a week in which the unpalatable truth of in-fighting from board level to the pitch has finally been exposed, a farce that has undermined the manager, unsettled the players and angered the supporters.
Insiders have told The Observer that the root cause of the chaos at White Hart Lane is meddling in selection and the buying and selling of players by the chairman Daniel Levy and his influential sidekick Paul Kemsley, who does not rate Jol. They have as allies Damien Commoli, the sporting director, and, curiously, Donna Cullen, the communications director. Plenty of directors, not much direction.
Harried by this powerful quartet, and obviously concerned about leaked stories of either Fabio Capello or Juande Ramos replacing him, Jol has remained dignified and diplomatic. 'We've never seen a week like it,' a club source said. 'But he's bearing up amazingly well.'
Jol and his captain, Robbie Keane, had to brave a blizzard of awkward questions during the scheduled media day at the club's training ground in Chigwell on Friday, and Cullen will be trawling the interpretation of their quotes with a critical eye this morning.
Cullen has her supporters at board level but I was told, 'She overlooks every word written or said about Spurs. She oversees the manager's programme notes and puts her red pen through much of what he says. When it comes to football and publicity, she just doesn't get it.'
There will not be much cause for angst in Keane's utterances. He squirmed nervously as he batted back repeated inquiries about dressing-room morale with standard cliches. The sanguine Jol looked and sounded like a man on borrowed time.
Joe Lewis, the sixteenth richest man in Britain according to the lists, oversees his investment in Tottenham from the comfort of his mansion in Lyford Cay in the Bahamas, and he will have been disturbed that the simmering tension at Spurs has been handled so ham-fistedly. It is understood that Lewis and Levy (who is effectively auditioning for a bigger role in Lewis's Enic empire while he is in charge of Tottenham) want to sell the club. To attract the top price they need a bigger stadium, with at least a 50,000 capacity, and Champions League football.
'Their aim is simple,' another White Hart Lane source said. 'It's to raise the club's value in order to make a massive killing by selling the club. They think they can put at least another £50million on Spurs' value before selling. Jol doesn't know who to trust, so he doesn't trust any of them.'
Kemsley, the vice-chairman, has been tasked with acquiring a state-of-the-art training complex, but a refurbished ground - and, probably, a new manager - is the more immediate project.
On the face of it, the future should be bright. There is a waiting list of 10,000 for season tickets and a local fan-base of at least 100,000, so the potential is significant. But space is tight at White Hart Lane and Tottenham would have to buy up property around the ground and turn the pitch 90 degrees. They expect to make an announcement before December.
Kemsley is an interesting character. He is a self-made property millionaire, a genuine Spurs fan and close friend of Harry Redknapp, with whom he once owned a racehorse. It is believed that moves to replace Jol were inspired by Kemsley, who has made his misgivings about the manager known to Levy many times. The two of them can make board decisions for the football club, independently of the plc, from which Kemsley resigned last year to give him a free rein on the football side.
Underpinning their football decisions is Commoli. He was a scout for Arsenal in France, but not as influential in uncovering players for Arsenal as Spurs made out when he joined. He was briefly director of football at St Etienne before joining Spurs when Frank Arnesen left for Chelsea, but he never had the authority or knowledge of the Dane. Jol does not rate Commoli or his signings - among them Benoit Assou-Ekotto, Ricardo Rocha and, most controversially, Zokora.
It was Commoli who told Levy that the club could dispense with Carrick because he believed Zokora was a better player. Carrick was happy at Spurs in April 2006, when he went to talk to Levy about a new contract, with two years left on his existing one and his World Cup inclusion imminent. He had been Tottenham's best player and was central to Jol's plans.
How negotiations unfolded, then collapsed, provides a fascinating insight into the running of the club. Carrick was on £25,000 a week and started talks by asking for £40,000, expecting to negotiate. He was laughed out of the room and told to re-sign on Spurs' terms, or be sold.
Carrick, who wanted to stay, felt unwanted. He then discovered Sir Alex Ferguson was interested in him. At that season's Premier League annual meeting, David Gill of Manchester United put in a £10million bid and Levy dismissed it. The club denied at the time there had been an approach and have always insisted that Carrick was sold because he wanted to leave. He did, in the end - but only because he was so disenchanted at the way he had been treated. Before he went, Levy made a lame and late increased offer of £50,000 a week. It was a prize piece of botched dealing.
Meanwhile, Levy had negotiated a new contract with Jol, who was unaware of the Carrick situation. The manager was livid when he found out he had committed himself to the club and simultaneously lost his main midfielder to such a formidable rival. When he was lumbered with Commoli's choice of replacement, Zokora, he was even less impressed.
Aggravation worsened as the season progressed. Kemsley was not happy with Jol's tactics; Jol was growing weary of the interference. There was great discomfort at board level when Chelsea won at White Hart Lane in an FA Cup quarter-final replay. Only a second successive fifth place in the league temporarily soothed Jol's detractors.
But it all bubbled up in the summer, when Jol and Levy had a major row over signings. Jol, who has been desperate for a left-winger for two years, had earlier been thwarted when Levy intervened in the almost-completed purchase of Stewart Downing, and insisted Spurs pay in instalments. The deal fell through. Jol was further frustrated when he sought to buy the player he considered an important piece in his jigsaw: Berbatov's compatriot and friend, Martin Petrov, from Atletico Madrid. Levy and Kemsley apparently have a phobia about older players and considered the 28-year-old Petrov past it.
There have been several other points of disagreement between Jol and Levy, who fancies himself as something of a hot-shot at the negotiating table.
Jol wants a left back but has been continually thwarted in his efforts and has often had to play the right-footed Paul Stalteri out of position. There are other gaps he is keen to address but has not been able to. Aaron Lennon, for instance, while dazzling in bursts, does not fit the Jol profile of a hard-working professional; nor does Jermain Defoe, whose scoring record away from home (three last season) is not impressive. As a replacement for Carrick, Tottenham might have signed the Cameroon international Geremi, from Chelsea, but instead he went to Newcastle and is already their captain.
Several agents told The Observer that Levy was difficult to do business with. 'He doesn't really understand the rules of engagement or football itself,' one said. 'He has an over-inflated view of himself as a negotiator because he once sold three players to Portsmouth for £7m and thought he was a genius in the transfer market.'
If there is any doubt that Jol is the innocent party in this ongoing mess it is not shared by influential and respected voices in football - including his rivals Arsene Wenger and Alex Ferguson. Wenger, who has enjoyed virtually unfettered control for more than a decade at Arsenal, accused Tottenham of impatience last week. Ferguson expanded on that theme to The Observer
'The difference between Martin Jol and me is that I've been here 20 years,' he said. 'When I first came to this club I faced all that expectation too, because we hadn't won the league in umpteen years. Martin is new at the club and Spurs haven't won the league for 45 years, so that's quite a lot of expectation, and you are not surprised at the criticism. You are only surprised at the way it all started.
'I was pleased to see Daniel Levy come out in support of him because [Jol] is a decent guy. His work in Holland was outstanding, and he did a good job for Tottenham last year. Knee-jerk reactions don't necessarily come from the board, the press play a part too, but still you wonder where these things start.
'In modern football you get in some of these directors' rooms and boardrooms and you see four or five directors and about 35 hangers-on. And they've all got a voice. That's often where the seed is sown. When I first came to United they had something they called the second board. They used to meet every Monday afternoon in the Grill Room at Old Trafford, assess results, get the axe out for Alex Ferguson, that type of thing. That's the kind of rubbish you had even 20 years ago. I think a lot of clubs have a similar problem - it sort of comes with the corporate hospitality packages nowadays - and perhaps Tottenham suffer from it more than most.'
Jol is the most popular manager at White Hart Lane since Keith Burkenshaw, more popular even than Glenn Hoddle and Osvaldo Ardiles, neither of whom could translate their status as great Spurs players to management. Yet Jol has had to endure an attritional and unsubtle campaign against his authority at the very time when he might be able to make a breakthrough in restoring the fortunes of what was once a great club.
'It's unbelievable that he's under pressure,' said Carrick, a Jol supporter, ahead of today's game. 'Absolutely unbelievable.'
Maybe he isn't good enough to take care of the business even if he got the chance. He said that Agger would fail big time in the PL because he is a left back and not a central defender.
That might be true but you can't tell because he hasn't had the opportunity. It is fair to say he has failed to create a cohesive defensive unit from a decent set of players but it is unfair to criticise him for buying Bent instead of defenders when he isn't in control of that.
Like I said he isn't in charge of purchases so I find it hard to blame him. I'm sure he has some input but my guess would be he would have had a different distribution of money on the purchases (and would have bought a holding midfielder and a left winger with the money).
where did you get that from he wasnt in charge of buying players?
sorry Dave, just read the article posted above.
Craig_H
24-10-07, 03:07 PM
Spurs concede another 3 goals! This time to pishy Newcastle :jaw:
Thats just shameful.
Everytime Jol is discussed we always seem to see an endless line of people saying how good a manager he is and how he has been doing a good job?
Seriously? His defence is a total disgrace. The whole missing Ledley King argument just doesnt stand up for me. Every team misses key players from time to time but are still able to form some sort of defensive sytem.
Tottenham, however have consistantly over the past few years (under Jol) conceded 2/3 goals per match. Its appaling that a manager at such a high profile club cannot sort out a defence.
Martin Jol= Kevin Keegan.
The similarities are so obvious.
Im sure he's a lovely guy but its glaringly obvious he isnt capable. A top class manager has the tactical knowledge and intelligence to put together a solid defensive system first and foremost.........
He's half way out the door. And he only has himself to blame
I think he's a manager who did very well taking them to some stability in terms of establishing themselves as the 5th best side in the country.
However, he strikes me as not being able to cut it when there's pressure and expectation.
That season where they had 4th place until the end of the last game was a good example. When there's isnt much expected, he delivers. But when the spotlight's on them and the pressure's there, they bottle it.
This season has been the same, they've been expected to step it up and they've flopped.
IMO, he's taken them as far as he can and looks to have lost the dressing room.
Dead man walking.
Craig_H
24-10-07, 03:08 PM
Apparently he asked for a holding player and got Zakora
:haha:
What fucking bugs me about Spurs is that they held us at Anfield. I’m sure we all thought “typical, they’ve turned the corner against us”, but then they go to fucking Newcastle of all places and get tanked.
Just makes us look fucking rubbish…which we are. :(
What fucking bugs me about Spurs is that they held us at Anfield. I’m sure we all thought “typical, they’ve turned the corner against us”, but then they go to fucking Newcastle of all places and get tanked.
Just makes us look fucking rubbish…which we are. :(
we did make 2 fucking huge errors against them. Gave 2 soft goals away, from what I saw, we had all the running and should have been 2/3 goals clear by the time they scored.
lfc4ever
25-10-07, 08:43 PM
Jol has agreed a severance package with spurs and will walk away after tonights match is over.
Ramos will be next manager.
As reported by Radio 5 who got it from tomorrow Times & other reports.
Jol has agreed a severance package with spurs and will walk away after tonights match is over.
Ramos will be next manager.
As reported by Radio 5 who got it from tomorrow Times & other reports.
:jaw:
Blimey. Interesting to see how this develops...
lfc4ever
25-10-07, 09:00 PM
Clive Allen reported to be standing in for the rest of the season.
Clive Allen! :haha: :haha:
kewellnthegang
25-10-07, 09:06 PM
think he seems dead sound and a good manager
and he,s spanish :crackoff:
eeeenglish not so good no
dont mind the spuds tbf - lets hope they peg back manure for that 4th cl spot this season
All this news is coming out when Jol is sitting on the touchline. Wow Spurs really know how to honor their most successful manager in the last 7-10 years.
kewellnthegang
25-10-07, 09:13 PM
what are you on about?
:confused:
Who are the spuds? Spurs?
RedJedi
25-10-07, 09:15 PM
Just said on 5 live, Jol to leave tonight
Kenneth
25-10-07, 09:16 PM
From the BBC: "NEWS ALERT: There are some sources suggesting that Spurs boss Martin Jol is set to step down after the game against Getafe. "
kewellnthegang
25-10-07, 09:23 PM
imo at the end of the game it would be an idea for all the player to slap jols baldy bonce then have scantily clad birds run round the lane after him
with the obligitory benny hill music
just a nice send off i think
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:30 PM
Its a bit weird and the are now 2:1 down great goal by Getafe
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:31 PM
Its on SSN now as well
Its on SSN now as well
Reporting it as fact or rumour?
Spurs 2-1 down too. :haha:
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:32 PM
Did anyone see Levy and the outgoing chairman having little word to each other and Levy with a little grin, nest thing the out going chairman straight on the phone :source:
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:33 PM
Reporting it as fact or rumour?
Spurs 2-1 down too. :haha:
"Reports: Tottenham sack manager Martin Jol"
Strange that this has been done while they are playing :confused:
Kenneth
25-10-07, 09:37 PM
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2199575,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=5
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=489771&in_page_id=1779&ct=5
http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/07/10/25/manual_211048.html&TEAMHD=soccer
2132: A number of major news sources are running with the line that Martin Jol is set to leave after the match against Getafe. If his tenure ends with defeat then it will be a very sad finale for the Dutchman.
kewellnthegang
25-10-07, 09:38 PM
class less twats breakin the news as they play
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:39 PM
2132: A number of major news sources are running with the line that Martin Jol is set to leave after the match against Getafe. If his tenure ends with defeat then it will be a very sad finale for the Dutchman.
Very sad for him, i like him and he's done the best he could or indeed any manager could with Spurs Top 5 the last couple of season's what more do they want.
The players have let him down
kewellnthegang
25-10-07, 09:40 PM
Very sad for him, i like him and he's done the best he could or indeed any manager could with Spurs Top 5 the last couple of season's what more do they want.
The players have let him down
berbatov what a prick
and some on here sayin get him !! :jaw:
i hate these seflish twats
berbatov what a prick
and some on here sayin get him !! :jaw:
i hate these seflish twats
Something like that won't stop Rafa if he want him. He signed Bellamy and he had done worse things than Berbatov.
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:46 PM
Its been confirmed that he's gone!!!!
He handed in his notice before the match
MindGuerrillas
25-10-07, 09:46 PM
ITV just confirmed that Jol tended his resignation before the game tonight.
MindGuerrillas
25-10-07, 09:47 PM
Its been confirmed that he's gone!!!!
He handed in his notice before the match
beat me to it :handshake:
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:47 PM
Ajax here he comes
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:48 PM
beat me to it :handshake:
:)
kurtangle01
25-10-07, 09:48 PM
:jaw:
Joe King
25-10-07, 09:48 PM
Jol Is Sacked!!!
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:49 PM
Link??
No surprise
Joe King
25-10-07, 09:50 PM
Ajax here he comes
:handshake:
They love him in Holland and especially Ajax
Rafa should get him as a number two. Thats his natural role
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:50 PM
Great job to get always gets money the board is a bunch of muppets mind.....
Joe King
25-10-07, 09:50 PM
SSN and ITV
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 09:52 PM
Anyone else hear one day on Soccer Saturday, they were talking about Spurs and John Gregory was saying that Levy doesnt run the club at all his wife picks the players :haha:
kurtangle01
25-10-07, 09:58 PM
Ramos is a major coup for them, eh?
Martin Jol’s reign as Tottenham Hotspur manager looked to have ended last night after he accepted a £4 million compensation package to leave the club. An announcement is expected this morning. Juande Ramos, the Seville coach, has accepted the job but may not be in place until the start of next season.
Tottenham are putting heavy pressure on the Spaniard to move to White Hart Lane sooner, but Clive Allen and Gustavo Poyet, the former Spurs player who is No 2 to Dennis Wise at Leeds United, will be in charge when Blackburn Rovers visit on Sunday.
Jol selected his final team for last night’s Uefa Cup tie against Getafe. The Dutchman appeared buoyant as he left the tunnel for the dugout before kick-off and gave no hint of the drama that was unfolding.
Even by the turbulent standards of Tottenham – four permanent managers in little more than six years – the latest episode has been chaotic. Jol’s position has been untenable since senior Tottenham officials made an embarrassingly public approach for Ramos in August.
Ramos said that he will remain at the Spanish club until the end of his contract in the summer, but Tottenham have been pursuing him since. They are likely to have offered him considerably more than the £2 million a season that Jol has been earning.
Allen, the reserve-team coach, is expected to take temporary charge until Ramos arrives. Ramos will be charged with turning around Tottenham’s fortunes, which presently have them in the relegation zone. Expectations of challenging for a place in the Champions League have been crushed by a series of poor results and performances. Jol’s decision to leave Dimitar Berbatov out of the starting XI for the 3-1 defeat by Newcastle United on Monday did not help.
Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman, made it plain to Jol that only qualification for the Champions League would be good enough to prolong his tenure, given that more than £35 million has been invested in players this summer. Jol has led Tottenham to fifth place for the past two seasons, but a fractious relationship with some players and the board has left him isolated at the club.
He became embroiled in a battle with Levy and Damien Comolli, the sporting director, in the summer – and lost. Paul Kemsley, the Tottenham vice-chairman at the time, had wanted to remove Jol in the summer to replace him with Harry Redknapp, the Portsmouth manager, but the idea was overruled.
Ramos has an uncomfortable relationship with Ramón RodrÍguez, the Seville sporting director, but he has assurances, it is thought, from Tottenham about the role of Comolli.
Jol, who has a little less than three years to run on his contract, agreed the compensation package in August, as revealed first by The Times. Jol has said that he would like to manage a top club in the Netherlands, but so far, none have made contact. Jol took over at Tottenham when Jacques Santini was dismissed almost two years ago.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/tottenham/article2741595.ece
Joe King
25-10-07, 10:16 PM
Jol for Leicester? :source:
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 10:17 PM
Ramos is a major coup for them, eh?
Massive, if Rafa ever went which i hope he wont for a very long time i would want Ramos great manager has done wonders for Sevilla and Sevilla wasnt just a one year wonder he's improved year after year
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 10:19 PM
Jol for Leicester? :source:
Cant see it, Jol likes the big time and wont head for the Championship after his time in the Prem
Feel sad for him :(
Ramos is a major coup for them, eh?
Could well be, though the difference in budgets between Spurs and Sevilla i'm guessing is huge so no surprise, he's probably getting his pay trebled or better. Seems to have taken them as far as he can aswell, they're never going to win La Liga after fucking up last season so time for a new challenge it seems.
Cant see it, Jol likes the big time and wont head for the Championship after his time in the Prem
Feel sad for him :(
My money would be on Ajax.
He has certainly been treated shoddily.
Just watched it unfold (or not) on ITV....anbeeleebable.
ITV's reporter said he asked Clive Allen what he knew about Jol's supposed 'resignation' and he looked stunned and seemingly knew nothing about it!
Total mystery. Jol didn't appear for an interview and instead headed straight for the boardroom.
What a shambles. I don't rate Jol but he's been shat on from a great height by Tottenham. They've handled this appallingly. An appalling episode with a suitably appalling end. :shake:
I think it's says it all when the Chairman smiles after a defeat.
spud_gun
25-10-07, 10:25 PM
£4 million pay off :jaw:
Still you can't help but laugh at Spurs. Mid table club who got ideas way above their station. Top four indeed. Silly fuckers.
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 10:25 PM
My money would be on Ajax.
He has certainly been treated shoddily.
Yup me too.
He's been treated like shit with the board meeting Ramos that was a big mistake, and one Jol never recovered from
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 10:26 PM
I think it's says it all when the Chairman smiles after a defeat.
He looks a clueless twat
Sugar must still have a massive influence in that club...??
And if Berbatov thinks Ferguson, Benitez or anyone will be impressed by his attitude he's clearly an idiot.
spud_gun
25-10-07, 10:29 PM
He looks a clueless twat
Sugar must still have a massive influence in that club...??
Thought he sold his entire share holdings some point last season?
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 10:34 PM
Thought he sold his entire share holdings some point last season?
Did he? He could of but im sure he's in the background. :source:
The ITV commenatator mentioned that the guy behind Levy was Sugars right hand man on the Apprentice so must work for one of his companies
SSN's been fun for the last half hour.
One senior player has told SSN's Andy Burton that the players didn't know, until Jol went around the dressing room after the game shaking everybody's hand, telling them him and Hughton were leaving and Clive Allen would be taking training tomorrow.
Also reporting that his contract was terminated, and Jol didn't resign.
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 10:52 PM
Chris Houghton is goin as well :jaw:
Christ he's been there for many years probably had enough of the place and i heard once that he's the most qualified coach in the world
Houghton is a quality coach IMO and should be considered for a job by Rafa
He's really unlucky with getting the sack
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 10:54 PM
Houghton is a quality coach IMO and should be considered for a job by Rafa
He's really unlucky with getting the sack
He wasnt sacked he left didnt he...??
Houghton is a quality coach IMO and should be considered for a job by Rafa
He's really unlucky with getting the sack
What you basing the quality coach comment on?
I doubt there are many here that know or have followed him as a spurs coach.
and its Hughton
:)
thesilverfoxlfc
25-10-07, 11:04 PM
Lets raid them for Lennon, Berb and Bale!!!
I can see Berbatov leave with Kanoute replacing him.
He wasnt sacked he left didnt he...??
Spurs are saying the Jol and Houghton left but everyone else is saying they were sacked.
What you basing the quality coach comment on?
I doubt there are many here that know or have followed him as a spurs coach.
and its Hughton
:)
I've followed him simply because he was Irish coach for a spell aswell. He's been at spurs nearly 15 years as a coach, built his way up and lived through all the manager sackings that have gone on, around 8 or 9. You dont stay that long unless there's something special about you
tomasjj
26-10-07, 08:46 AM
Spurs are saying the Jol and Houghton left but everyone else is saying they were sacked.
I've followed him simply because he was Irish coach for a spell aswell. He's been at spurs nearly 15 years as a coach, built his way up and lived through all the manager sackings that have gone on, around 8 or 9. You dont stay that long unless there's something special about you
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kewellnthegang
26-10-07, 09:32 AM
yeah, decent blow jobs have saved many a marriage
:haha::handshake:
and even better blow jobs have wrecked a few marriages
badpiggy
26-10-07, 09:35 AM
did anyone else think that juande ramos coming out (a while ago) and saying that spurs had made a huge offer to him was c/untish in the extreme? totally ruined another manager and gained him nothing - if spurs wanted him why not keep his mouth shut?
kewellnthegang
26-10-07, 09:37 AM
did anyone else think that juande ramos coming out (a while ago) and saying that spurs had made a huge offer to him was c/untish in the extreme? totally ruined another manager and gained him nothing - if spurs wanted him why not keep his mouth shut?
mucas dinero amigo
did anyone else think that juande ramos coming out (a while ago) and saying that spurs had made a huge offer to him was c/untish in the extreme? totally ruined another manager and gained him nothing - if spurs wanted him why not keep his mouth shut?
:handshake:
He obviously thought that people don't pick up press comments in other countries... :o
I went to bed at 9 o'clock last night - looks like I missed out on all the entertainment :D
Spurs really are classless twats, much like their fans in fact
I went to bed at 9 o'clock last night - looks like I missed out on all the entertainment :D
Spurs really are classless twats, much like their fans in fact
I really don't like them either, never have, never will :handshake:
What already was announced last night has been confirmed in all the extremes. Eldesmarque, can advance that Juande Branches already has communicated the rectors of the Seville its intention to abandon the club of Nervión and to sign for the Tottenham English.
The ultimatum given by the Spurs has been accepted for that of Pedro Muñoz. Right now the technician only values the best form to leave the from Seville club, although seems improbable that be a graceful exit, keeping in mind the forms and the moment in which has determined to leave Al Seville without coach.
In the company of Nervión, only remains them to expect events, since Juande has decided and only a radical change of the facts, that right now neither is contemplated, would do that Juande to remain in Seville. It fits to emphasize that to this so much hour the president of the company, José María of the Nest, as the sports director, Monchi, they are found in the sports complex in the wardrobe of the team.
To the memory chapters come like the squeeze of hands of Juande with Of The Nest and Monchi in the wardrobe from the sports complex at the beginning of season under the promise that would continue. This morning, the technician coaches in the sports complex, although seems that with the mind put in London.
http://www.eldesmarque.es/content/view/9643/40/
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I really don't like them either, never have, never will :handshake:
I know a couple of sound Spurs fans, I consider them good mates, but on the whole the ones that go to the games really are proper scum of the earth :handshake:
What already was announced last night has been confirmed in all the extremes. Eldesmarque, can advance that Juande Branches already has communicated the rectors of the Seville its intention to abandon the club of Nervión and to sign for the Tottenham English.
The ultimatum given by the Spurs has been accepted for that of Pedro Muñoz. Right now the technician only values the best form to leave the from Seville club, although seems improbable that be a graceful exit, keeping in mind the forms and the moment in which has determined to leave Al Seville without coach.
In the company of Nervión, only remains them to expect events, since Juande has decided and only a radical change of the facts, that right now neither is contemplated, would do that Juande to remain in Seville. It fits to emphasize that to this so much hour the president of the company, José María of the Nest, as the sports director, Monchi, they are found in the sports complex in the wardrobe of the team.
To the memory chapters come like the squeeze of hands of Juande with Of The Nest and Monchi in the wardrobe from the sports complex at the beginning of season under the promise that would continue. This morning, the technician coaches in the sports complex, although seems that with the mind put in London.
http://www.eldesmarque.es/content/view/9643/40/
Juande Branches?? WTF?? :haha::haha:
Change your on-line translator AFII, and I dont just mean the one you use for Spanish articles, I mean the one that does your posts as well.
thesilverfoxlfc
26-10-07, 01:49 PM
Here's a quaestion why would he give up going for the Spainish title and managing in the Champs League for Spurs who are in the bottom 3 and will be hard pushed to get into the top 5 at this stage.
Yes more money and he's wants to manage in England but would he not wait for a bigger job??
Also on SSN Hunter was on about the Sevilla Chairman been a brutel Negotiator and he wont let him go on the cheap as we well know when we were going for Alves
All this news is coming out when Jol is sitting on the touchline. Wow Spurs really know how to honor their most successful manager in the last 7-10 years.
keystone cops boardroom there. If they didnt rate him in May, why not sack him then and get Ramos in then? Why give Jol 40mil to spend, then go through the debacle of trying to get Ramos and letting him stay in the job until now?
Here's a quaestion why would he give up going for the Spainish title and managing in the Champs League for Spurs who are in the bottom 3 and will be hard pushed to get into the top 5 at this stage.
Yes more money and he's wants to manage in England but would he not wait for a bigger job??
Also on SSN Hunter was on about the Sevilla Chairman been a brutel Negotiator and he wont let him go on the cheap as we well know when we were going for Alves
hmm, maybe he's been told that the Chav job wont be offered to him, us, the Arse and Manure arent getting rid of anyone anytime soon so the Spurs job is the next big step up for him?
But I do agree, Sevilla seem to be a better option than Spurs, but who knows, maybe the Sevilla board have been spotted wining and dining Martin Jol?
They just said on five live that Spanish media said that the Ramos deal is done.
He will get £120k/week :jaw:
He will get £120k/week :jaw:
Spurs have more money than sense.
animal magic
26-10-07, 10:10 PM
Juande Ramos, the favourite to replace Martin Jol as Tottenham manager, has resigned as coach of Sevilla.
Sevilla director of football Ramon Rodriguez was in London on Thursday and it is thought he has begun negotiations with Spurs over compensation for Ramos.
Spurs reportedly want Leeds assistant boss Gus Poyet to assist Ramos, who only speaks rudimentary English.
According to reports from Spain the 53-year-old Ramos has agreed a four-year deal with Spurs.
Sevilla's physical trainer Marcos Alvarez has also tendered his resignation.
Ramos' contract with Sevilla had been due to expire at the end of this season.
He has led Sevilla to the Uefa Cup title in each of the last two seasons and into the Champions League for the first time.
It is thought that Ramos wants to install Poyet as his assistant boss at Tottenham but the Leeds assistant manager insists he has not been approached.
The former Uruguay international, who played for Tottenham between 2001 and 2004 told BBC Sport earlier on Friday: "Everybody is calling me and sending me texts about it but I don't know anything. I haven't spoken to anyone.
"I don't know if something has gone on between the clubs. I don't have a clue."
Leeds said they had not received an approach from Spurs for Poyet - and would not welcome one.
However, the club later revealed Poyet has been asked to stay away from Elland Road for the League One game against Millwall on Saturday.
BBC Sport understands the Spurs board made the decision to sack Jol before the 2-1 defeat to Getafe on Thursday but decided not to inform the Dutchman until after the game.
Apparently, Berbatov said, "If you're going, I'm going too."
However, rumours about Jol's imminent departure spread around the ground during the match - which was watched by Rodriguez.
Jol said goodbye to Tottenham's players at the club's training ground on Friday and assistant Chris Hughton and the club's goalkeeping coach Hans Segers have also been dismissed.
Apparently, Berbatov said, "If you're going, I'm going too."
Sign him up Rafa.
Juande Ramos, the favourite to replace Martin Jol as Tottenham manager, has resigned as coach of Sevilla.
Sevilla director of football Ramon Rodriguez was in London on Thursday and it is thought he has begun negotiations with Spurs over compensation for Ramos.
Spurs reportedly want Leeds assistant boss Gus Poyet to assist Ramos, who only speaks rudimentary English.
According to reports from Spain the 53-year-old Ramos has agreed a four-year deal with Spurs.
Sevilla's physical trainer Marcos Alvarez has also tendered his resignation.
Ramos' contract with Sevilla had been due to expire at the end of this season.
He has led Sevilla to the Uefa Cup title in each of the last two seasons and into the Champions League for the first time.
It is thought that Ramos wants to install Poyet as his assistant boss at Tottenham but the Leeds assistant manager insists he has not been approached.
The former Uruguay international, who played for Tottenham between 2001 and 2004 told BBC Sport earlier on Friday: "Everybody is calling me and sending me texts about it but I don't know anything. I haven't spoken to anyone.
"I don't know if something has gone on between the clubs. I don't have a clue."
Leeds said they had not received an approach from Spurs for Poyet - and would not welcome one.
However, the club later revealed Poyet has been asked to stay away from Elland Road for the League One game against Millwall on Saturday.
BBC Sport understands the Spurs board made the decision to sack Jol before the 2-1 defeat to Getafe on Thursday but decided not to inform the Dutchman until after the game.
Apparently, Berbatov said, "If you're going, I'm going too."
However, rumours about Jol's imminent departure spread around the ground during the match - which was watched by Rodriguez.
Jol said goodbye to Tottenham's players at the club's training ground on Friday and assistant Chris Hughton and the club's goalkeeping coach Hans Segers have also been dismissed.
He is the brain behind sevilla youth system. We tried to poach him but he is very happy in Sevilla and did not want to leave.
He is the brain behind sevilla youth system. We tried to poach him but he is very happy in Sevilla and did not want to leave.
That can't be true. His name isn't Pako or Paco.
thesilverfoxlfc
27-10-07, 12:51 PM
When Jol was saying goodbye at training the next morning Berbatov came up to Jol and said "we both deserve a bigger club......"
Ohhhhhhhhhhh
thesilverfoxlfc
27-10-07, 12:53 PM
Isnt Ramos contract 25 millions Euros over 4 years.....?
Darth Marty
27-10-07, 11:26 PM
I think Spurs will regret this decision, Jol has done wonders for the whole fucking club, just look at their expectation level now and what it was before he came in.
I think Jol is without a doubt a fantastic coach, seems like his managerial qualities need a bit of tlc but how about offering Jol a coaching position? At least he knows how to fucking attack! May work well with Rafas mindset?
Stranger things have happened.....but I fully agree with whoever said poach Lennon, Bale and Berbatov...sign them, win the premiership.
Jol was Santini's assistant before he got the job, I can't see him going back in his career. Especially with Ajax needing a manager and of course I'd prefare he managed Ireland instead
badpiggy
28-10-07, 12:24 AM
I think Spurs will regret this decision, Jol has done wonders for the whole fucking club, just look at their expectation level now and what it was before he came in.
I think Jol is without a doubt a fantastic coach, seems like his managerial qualities need a bit of tlc but how about offering Jol a coaching position? At least he knows how to fucking attack! May work well with Rafas mindset?
Stranger things have happened.....but I fully agree with whoever said poach Lennon, Bale and Berbatov...sign them, win the premiership.
:eyebrow:
Dont know if its been mentioned in here before, I very infrequently post or read in here, but something has to be said about Martin Jol.
In my humble opinion he is a fucking ace manager and has turned spurs from nobodies into the team people are/were talking about realistically breaking into the top 4.
Now all of a sudden he should be sacked. I swear to god if spurs sack him this side of christmas I will personally go and smack the chairman in the mouth, its absolutely ridiculous that the guy has been booed off after 2 defeats.
Sounds like a promise to me.
Good luck with it, mind.
When Jol was saying goodbye at training the next morning Berbatov came up to Jol and said "we both deserve a bigger club......"
Ohhhhhhhhhhh
Yikes
But i thought Berbatov and Jol weren't getting on all season, one of the reasons Jol was sacked in the first place :confused:
thesilverfoxlfc
28-10-07, 01:09 AM
Yikes
But i thought Berbatov and Jol weren't getting on all season, one of the reasons Jol was sacked in the first place :confused:
Was on Gillette Soccer Saturday they were this happened :source:
I know they had their differences so thought it was strange, but pretty much sum's the Berb up this season seems to want out and feels he's to big for Spurs.....
thesilverfoxlfc
28-10-07, 02:09 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2007/10/27/martin-jol-sacked-by-txt-89520-20017275/
Its in the mirror that he was sacked by text during the UEFA game on thursday
Spurs Board are a bunch of dicks!!!
I dont think he was sacked by text exactly. More a case of one of the board members who was privvy to the decision tipping him off via text message during the game.
Whole thing has been played out shambolically by Spurs.
thesilverfoxlfc
28-10-07, 02:23 AM
I remember watching the match on thursday night and the out going chairman cant remember his name had the phone in his hand all night whenever the camera cut to them and then one time when the camera cut to him he was in levy's ear and then straight onto the phone, very mafia like :source:
When Jol was saying goodbye at training the next morning Berbatov came up to Jol and said "we both deserve a bigger club......"
Ohhhhhhhhhhh
Really, where'd you hear this??
Jol's been shat on from a great height. Most sucessful manager they've had in years, get them playing good football, couple of good cup runs, only just losing out on 4th spot a few seasons back...
I know a lot of people will say he's spent loads of money, but taking Spurs from a mid table team to a 'top 5/6' team has reflected this. No one can expect Jol to turn Spurs into a top 4 club after only 2 or 3 seasons. That's daft. Even worse if the rumours are true about the directors/chairmen etc chosing who he signs :shake::shake::shake:
thesilverfoxlfc
28-10-07, 01:42 PM
Really, where'd you hear this??
Jol's been shat on from a great height. Most sucessful manager they've had in years, get them playing good football, couple of good cup runs, only just losing out on 4th spot a few seasons back...
I know a lot of people will say he's spent loads of money, but taking Spurs from a mid table team to a 'top 5/6' team has reflected this. No one can expect Jol to turn Spurs into a top 4 club after only 2 or 3 seasons. That's daft. Even worse if the rumours are true about the directors/chairmen etc chosing who he signs :shake::shake::shake:
Jeff Sterling said it on Gillette Soccer Saturday :source:
He was shafted by the board, they have been a joke for a very long time. Levy looks a right tool, they say the wife picks the players,says it all really :haha:
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