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MindGuerrillas
15-04-08, 03:29 PM
If this were written with the intention of being humorous it would be hilarious. Unfortunately though I think he's serious.

Why Arsene Wenger should be proud rather than cowed
Matthew Syed

It is a tragedy of apocalyptic dimensions, a human catastrophe comparable to the melting of the ice-caps and the devastation of the rainforests rolled into one. Arsenal have been knocked out of the Champions League and have all but run out of steam in the race for the Barclays Premier League title. Anyone not inclined to lament, mourn and bewail this fact is not in possession of a soul.

You may say that I am exaggerating, but this is about more than mere football. It is about music and poetry, aesthetics and artistry, hope and audacity. Arsène Wenger could have instructed his team to play with the dispiriting pragmatism so beloved of his rival managers, but the mercurial Frenchman was not prepared to betray his nobler ideals, even when it might have improved his club’s chances of success.

Arsenal’s relentless and unadulterated pursuit of beauty has itself been a thing of beauty: a daring, epic and ultimately doomed journey that has taken the English game, against all expectation, into the territory of the artistic. Wenger has done more for neutral supporters in one season — talking spiritually now, talking of our moral fabric — than an eternity of watching the spirit-sapping utilitarianism of men such as José Mourinho and Rafael Benítez.

Wenger’s posse of swashbuckling and tragic youngsters embraced the vision of their leader with the naive enthusiasm of foot soldiers and now they look around themselves at the ruins. But they should not despair. Liverpool, their conquerors on Tuesday night, may go on to lift the European Cup next month, yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy? What Arsenal have achieved this season will endure far longer, if only in the hearts of those of us who have watched them.

Who has been inspired by Benítez’s Liverpool or Avram Grant’s Chelsea beyond the core constituencies of Merseyside and West London, who cheer out of filial loyalty and never from aesthetic appreciation? Who in their right mind could watch a Liverpool or Chelsea performance and find a wide and happy smile arriving on their surprised lips?

This is not an argument that is pro-Arsenal any more than it is anti-Liverpool: Arsenal under George Graham were as dull and draining as Liverpool under Bob Paisley were thrilling. No, it is about celebrating something in Wenger’s team that goes far beyond success and failure; it is about saluting a philosophy that owes as much to Sartre as it does to Rinus Michels. Wenger understands that, in this curious journey called life, there are things that matter beyond the merely functional.

The Frenchman and his players will be feeling something close to desolation. They woke yesterday with their hopes and dreams, which were within grasping distance a few weeks ago, in tatters. But rather than despair, they should celebrate that they have imbued football with an aesthetic meaning that it has not enjoyed since the retirement of Pelé, Carlos Alberto and Co. They are glorious, even though they have been vanquished. They are glorious, perhaps, because they have been vanquished.

There was a time when it looked as if the English game was doomed to be strangled by route-one football. It is visionaries such as Wenger and the evergreen Sir Alex Ferguson who have resisted this calamity. Manchester United’s attacking luminosity and Arsenal’s intricate creativity have offered an alternative vision of the sport that, it must be hoped, will be embraced by a new generation of managers and coaches.

Football is becoming the beautiful game again. And, for that, we must thank, above all, the incomparable Wenger.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article3717226.ece

Mono
16-04-08, 12:05 AM
ah fer fuck sake... if Arsenal fans are dumb enough to believe all that drivel they'll all be wánking themselves while watching their team but winning fuck all in the meantime

kev776
16-04-08, 09:04 AM
Although a drama queen he has a valid point, but for the want of another Henry or Torres and a Carra at the back, they would walk the league and do play some awesome football.

Reece
16-04-08, 09:12 AM
"Liverpool, their conquerors on Tuesday night, may go on to lift the European Cup next month, yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy?"

FLMAO. What a deluded fool.

Shaggy
16-04-08, 09:25 AM
"Liverpool, their conquerors on Tuesday night, may go on to lift the European Cup next month, yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy?"

FLMAO. What a deluded fool.

Exactly.

Let's hope we get another usless bauble to stick in the cabinet to rust, come May!

What about all those rusty wastes of space Brazil, Italy and the other top World Cup nations have in their cabinets!! Meaningless!

Reece
16-04-08, 09:32 AM
Exactly.

Let's hope we get another usless bauble to stick in the cabinet to rust, come May!

What about all those rusty wastes of space Brazil, Italy and the other top World Cup nations have in their cabinets!! Meaningless!

How many fans did we gain around the world by winning the CL in 2005? More than Arsenal do because of their amazingly beautiful and orgasmic style of football I bet.

The_weatherman
16-04-08, 09:38 AM
Who has been inspired by Benítez’s Liverpool or Avram Grant’s Chelsea beyond the core constituencies of Merseyside and West London, who cheer out of filial loyalty and never from aesthetic appreciation? Who in their right mind could watch a Liverpool or Chelsea performance and find a wide and happy smile arriving on their surprised lips?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/arsenal/article3717226.ece

I would say that Liverpool's ability to never give up (in cups at least) and the ability to produce something unexpected and unimaginable was pretty inspiring. Olympiakos, Alaves, Istanbul, West Ham and Arsenal to naem few recent examples.

Kenneth
16-04-08, 09:52 AM
the mercurial Frenchman was not prepared to betray his nobler ideals, even when it might have improved his club’s chances of successSo he should be sacked then. If I took that approach at work, I would be.

tommyg
16-04-08, 12:58 PM
"yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy?"

I guess they'll never know. :crackoff:

Craig_H
16-04-08, 03:16 PM
"Liverpool, their conquerors on Tuesday night, may go on to lift the European Cup next month, yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy?"


Best.

Quote.

Ever.

Matt
16-04-08, 03:23 PM
What a load of shite. Arsenal in 2008 are what we were in the mid-to-late 90's, playing some lovely stuff but ultimately passing the ball to death and ending up as consistent also-rans.

anfieldanfield
16-04-08, 04:13 PM
Dont think it's a badly written article myself.

dww
16-04-08, 04:34 PM
What a load of shite. Arsenal in 2008 are what we were in the mid-to-late 90's, playing some lovely stuff but ultimately passing the ball to death and ending up as consistent also-rans.

To be fair to Wenger he has been producing a team on a budget for a few years and it has clearly been developing together. If they progress as much next season as they did from last to this they will win the league.

Dont think it's a badly written article myself.

Depends what you mean it makes some interesting points about English football style although Keegan and Evans as managers shouldn't be discounted in terms of style even if they didn't win. Particularly the Keegan team showed that with ambition (at that time) the right type of football could improve team performance even without the biggest budget in the division.

On the flip side it makes some ludicrous comments about the values of actually sporting success and seems to devalue or underestimate the excitement of fans at winning things. Football isn't art and if we wanted it to be there would be endless threads here asking for games to be judged on artistic merit and a breakaway team called Balletic Football Club Liverpool started up.

Vermilion
16-04-08, 05:35 PM
"Liverpool, their conquerors on Tuesday night, may go on to lift the European Cup next month, yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy?"

FLMAO. What a deluded fool.

Exactly.

Let's hope we get another usless bauble to stick in the cabinet to rust, come May!

What about all those rusty wastes of space Brazil, Italy and the other top World Cup nations have in their cabinets!! Meaningless!

Now this i couldn't believe, (well actually the whole article was quite unbelievable), what the hell is he on about, this is at the heart of what playing good football is about, play good football.....win trophies by doing so.

To describe the trophies won, at the end of some epic battles played out on the field, as 'Meaningless Baubles', after players have given all to win them, managers have worked tactically to attain victory, the guy must be a loon.

Dhav
16-04-08, 08:29 PM
It's got to be tongue in cheek. He could have made some good, salient points if he didn't go so overboard

TheElephantMan
17-04-08, 04:41 PM
I don't think it's been written by an Arsenal supporter. I think someone's having a laugh at their expense.

Dhav
17-04-08, 09:32 PM
I don't think it's been written by an Arsenal supporter. I think someone's having a laugh at their expense.

:handshake: I am in full agreement. It's a parody surely

Parm
17-04-08, 11:04 PM
"Liverpool, their conquerors on Tuesday night, may go on to lift the European Cup next month, yet what are trophies except meaningless baubles that moth and rust destroy?"

FLMAO. What a deluded fool.

yup the article was shit and pointless, but that quote was just bizarre but encapsulates Arsenal, all style and no substance. yes they play some good stuff against poor opposition, but in the big games they cant do the same and do not have a plan b to adapt and change. They are too easy to pick off, as shown by Chelski, us and the Mancs over the past month.

MindGuerrillas
18-04-08, 08:38 AM
I don't think it's been written by an Arsenal supporter. I think someone's having a laugh at their expense.

It's written by Matthew Syed. He's a former international Table Tennis player, Times columnist and Arsenal fan.