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barnes10
10-10-08, 12:35 PM
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=579587&sec=europe&root=europe&&&cc=5739
Did we miss a trick signing this fella in the summer. We've discussed real RW options and this article basically says, that he really needs to be managed to be at his best. given Rafa's team's record of getting the most out of people, could we have had a brilliant right winger at an affordable price?
He reminds me of gerrard in the 'needs to be loved' bit - althought the mothers milk story is a bit off point isnt it... And I know rafa is a manager who tends to distance himself but it seems the team around him are the ones to get close to the players and in the end we usually get the best out of players.
anyway, i think Joaquin will be back to his best shortly and i think we missed out.
2nd in the league, playing well, Torres has started scoring..... now happy with Kuyt right & Babbel/Riera thanks :handshake:
there is something about Joaquin, makes me glad we never signed him
More tham happy with OUR Dirk ... Legend !! love him
FatTony
10-10-08, 03:29 PM
More tham happy with OUR Dirk ... Legend !! love him
Legend....thats a bit of an exaggeration isn't it.
Fair do's Dirk splits opinion, but legend, seriously?
barnes10
10-10-08, 03:34 PM
it really wasnt meant to be a pop at kuyt or anything like that. love the bloke and i genuinely appreciate what he brings to the team.
i just think that shortly - over the next couple of seasons, he - or his position - will be the one under the microscope when we need to upgrade our attacking threat and that he will either be benched or play in the keane role.
as i see it, Joaqin seemed to just go downhill more than the others when valencia were in crisis. before and after he seems to be a top drawer dedicated, pacey right winger that can score.
I always thought he was a moody inconsistent git who gave up as soon as anyone kicked him. A good player but I would suggest he would be horribly ill suited to the PL.
Joe King
10-10-08, 04:01 PM
Joaquin has started the season well. With wingers, its difficult to say whether they can sustain their form throughout the season.
Craig_H
10-10-08, 04:02 PM
I always thought he was a moody inconsistent git who gave up as soon as anyone kicked him. A good player but I would suggest he would be horribly ill suited to the PL.
Joaquin's a weird one, he's not of slight build like David Silva and you'd think he should be able to take a few kicks, but you're right, he cries like a baby whenever he's booted and i think it's down to his mentality rather than his physical stature.
I always thought he was a moody inconsistent git who gave up as soon as anyone kicked him. A good player but I would suggest he would be horribly ill suited to the PL.
yup, dont think he has ever really done it since 2002 world cup.
Joe Le Toff
10-10-08, 07:45 PM
Good player when on song but is far too inconsistent and dare i say lazy, he certainly doesnt get through enough work to be what id consider a Rafa type player anyway.
Johnny H
10-10-08, 07:55 PM
Say what you want about Dirk, he'll get at least 12 goals this season from right midfield.
Not many would offer that.
El Jefecito
10-10-08, 08:02 PM
Dirk's value is difficult to measure (even though he is our highest placed player in the actim index).
How do you value someone who prevents opponents attacks? Less attacks = less goals conceded, surely, which = more points, surely?
How do you value winning back the ball in the opponents 3rd vs. winning it back in your own half? More attempts on goal = more goals, surely?
How do you value (for example) an extra 5-10-15% of possession due to his work rate of winning back the ball? More possession = more goals, surely?
I agree with you El Jef...
However, I for one would like to see Dirk run on the wing and attack the full backs more often, whipping in inswingers like what Riera provides on the left.
Dirk's value is difficult to measure (even though he is our highest placed player in the actim index).
How do you value someone who prevents opponents attacks? Less attacks = less goals conceded, surely, which = more points, surely?
How do you value winning back the ball in the opponents 3rd vs. winning it back in your own half? More attempts on goal = more goals, surely?
How do you value (for example) an extra 5-10-15% of possession due to his work rate of winning back the ball? More possession = more goals, surely?
Not everyone will agree, but what a great post IMO
Dirk's value is difficult to measure (even though he is our highest placed player in the actim index).
How do you value someone who prevents opponents attacks? Less attacks = less goals conceded, surely, which = more points, surely?
How do you value winning back the ball in the opponents 3rd vs. winning it back in your own half? More attempts on goal = more goals, surely?
How do you value (for example) an extra 5-10-15% of possession due to his work rate of winning back the ball? More possession = more goals, surely?
:handshake:
Although to suit my own bias I suggest we use the Actim index until someone comes up with something better :D
I agree with you El Jef...
However, I for one would like to see Dirk run on the wing and attack the full backs more often, whipping in inswingers like what Riera provides on the left.
I'm not sure there is much point in Dirk running on the wing and attacking the fullback like a winger - it's just not his strength. I would however like him to aim to be crossing more as he is good at that - although part of the problem may be that there is rarely anyone high up in the box for us early in attack sand Riera doesn't attack the back post the way Kuyt himself has been doing this season.
Legend....thats a bit of an exaggeration isn't it.
Fair do's Dirk splits opinion, but legend, seriously?
Gives half is salary to cancer research .. a special kind of gezer those that in my books:handshake:
Darth Marty
11-10-08, 11:16 AM
Gives half is salary to cancer research .. a special kind of gezer those that in my books:handshake:
Does he really?
If so then the "Legend" status is 100% warranted. Fair fucking play. :handshake:
MrMichael
11-10-08, 02:12 PM
Does he really?
If so then the "Legend" status is 100% warranted. Fair fucking play. :handshake:
He also runs a foundation to help disadvantaged children... and unlike with some footballers and this sort of thing its not even remotely a publicity stunt.
http://www.dirkkuytfoundation.nl/
Hearing that Dirk gives half his salary to Cancer Research has made my day :D
He also runs a foundation to help disadvantaged children... and unlike with some footballers and this sort of thing its not even remotely a publicity stunt.
http://www.dirkkuytfoundation.nl/
I don't speak dutch. :handshake: :crackoff:
Joe Le Toff
11-10-08, 02:41 PM
Say what you want about Dirk, he'll get at least 12 goals this season from right midfield.
Not many would offer that.
No he wont
I would say (all competitions) that he might well do. It is a brave man who would be as sure as Johnny though given the oscillating goalscoring form the man has shown for us in general.
Good player when on song but is far too inconsistent and dare i say lazy, he certainly doesnt get through enough work to be what id consider a Rafa type player anyway.
:haha: :rash:
Joe Le Toff
11-10-08, 03:05 PM
:haha: :rash:
Joaquin isnt lazy ? :jaw:
Joaquin isnt lazy ? :jaw:
I thought you were talking about Dirky Kuytie. :haha: :o
Joe Le Toff
11-10-08, 03:19 PM
:haha: :rash:
I thought you were talking about Dirky Kuytie. :haha: :o
:haha: :handshake: Ive heard Dirk called a few things but never lazy !
Johnny H
12-10-08, 04:08 PM
No he wont
Well he's got 3 already, so I stand by this.
2nd in the league, playing well, Torres has started scoring..... now happy with Kuyt right & Babbel/Riera thanks :handshake:
there is something about Joaquin, makes me glad we never signed him
:handshake:
I think this saying couldn't be more true...
"you cant please everyone"
ric.williams
12-03-09, 11:03 AM
with the supposed financial problems at valencia would he be worth a punt?
Pennant is coming back from his loan spell at the end of the season, so I'd say we don't need him. :handshake:
Craig_H
12-03-09, 11:20 AM
Pennant is coming back from his loan spell at the end of the season, so I'd say we don't need him. :handshake:
Pennant will go on a bosman at the end of the season.
The same Pennant who's contract is up at the end of the season?
The same Pennant who's contract is up at the end of the season?
Yes, didn't you hear, as a last favor to the club, Rick Parry has secured a pre-contract agreement with Pennant, giving him a hefty signing on fee believed to be around £4mill. It's on the offal.
The same Pennant who's contract is up at the end of the season?
No I meant this one.
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos2/lionel%20richie.jpg
kingfunk
12-03-09, 12:54 PM
Yes, didn't you hear, as a last favor to the club, Rick Parry has secured a pre-contract agreement with Pennant, giving him a hefty signing on fee believed to be around £4mill. It's on the offal.
Cant believe i actually checked the offal for that!!:crackoff: Bad sign when id actually think could have been happened at our club...:haha:
Cant believe i actually checked the offal for that!!:crackoff: Bad sign when id actually think could have been happened at our club...:haha:
:haha:
with the supposed financial problems at valencia would he be worth a punt?
I'd take a punt for a reasonable fee. Joaquin is unplayable when his head is on.
Pablo Hernandez is a quality little player also...we should be sniffing around Valencia bigtime this summer.
I'd take a punt for a reasonable fee. Joaquin is unplayable when his head is on.
Pablo Hernandez is a quality little player also...we should be sniffing around Valencia bigtime this summer.
Is that Pablo Hernandex the guy who came off the bench yesterday for Valencia and scored that amazing goal? If so, he definately looks quite talented.
Is that Pablo Hernandex the guy who came off the bench yesterday for Valencia and scored that amazing goal? If so, he definately looks quite talented.
that is he. :handshake: Little fella, but built like a tank
Baracus
07-07-11, 12:00 AM
The 2007 'Mata'
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