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smphotog
14-10-08, 12:40 AM
Maybe......:source:






Dubai May Need Help From Abu Dhabi to Fund Borrowing.

By Matthew Brown



Oct. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Dubai may need help from Abu Dhabi and the United Arab Emirates government to finance a surge in borrowing that paid for the world's tallest tower, palm tree- shaped man-made islands and stakes in banks worldwide.

Dubai's ``potential reliance'' will be ``most significant'' in coming years, Moody's Investors Service said in a report today. Government-controlled companies owe at least $47 billion, more than Dubai's gross domestic product, and they will continue to accumulate debt at a faster pace than the economy grows, the New York-based rating firm said.

``These companies that are based in Dubai have become larger than Dubai itself,'' said Giyas Gokkent, chief economist at National Bank of Abu Dhabi, the U.A.E.'s second-largest commercial bank by assets. ``If anything were to go wrong with any of these companies, Dubai does not have the wherewithal to deal with it.''

State-owned Dubai World paid about $5.1 billion for almost 10 percent of Kirk Kerkorian's MGM Mirage last year; the price has tumbled since to $16.80 from $84. DP World, the government- run company that bought Peninsula and Oriental Steam Navigation Co. for $6.8 billion in 2006, has slumped 55 percent this year on the Dubai International Financial Exchange.

Ruler Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum has borrowed to replace Dubai's dwindling revenue from oil, investing to boost earnings from tourism and finance. State-owned carrier Emirates has increased its fleet to the largest in the Middle East, in a bid to double tourists per year to 15 million by 2015. Dubai Holding LLC, which groups assets belonging to Sheikh Mohammed, owns hotel chain Jumeirah Group.

Abu Dhabi Oil

Abu Dhabi, by contrast, owns more than 90 percent of the U.A.E.'s oil reserves, almost 8 percent of the world's total. The Abu Dhabi Investment Authority, its sovereign wealth fund, is the world's largest with assets of between $250 billion and $875 billion, according to the International Monetary Fund.

ADIA's Head of Media Relations Erik Portanger declined to comment on Moody's report.

Dubai's approach is backfiring as investors avoid the most indebted companies on concern the global credit crunch will increase defaults, while real-estate and company assets slump.

Deutsche Bank has fallen nearly 70 percent since Dubai government-owned DIFC Investments bought a 2.2 percent stake for about $1.8 billion in May 2007. Standard Chartered has declined 15 percent since state-owned Istithmar PJSC acquired a 2.7 percent stake for about $1 billion in October 2006.

The cost of insuring Dubai Holding's bonds has increased nearly four-fold since May, according to traders of credit default swaps. Credit-default swaps on Dubai Holding Commercial Operations traded at 679.3 basis points on Oct. 10, up from 172.99 at the beginning of May, CMA Datavision prices show.

The company's $500 million of 10-year notes due 2017 fell 2.2 percent today, raising the yield to a record 13.1 percent, Bloomberg data shows.

Dubai Model

While Dubai's economic model ``has proved successful to date, cumulative liabilities are currently rising faster than investments are able to generate returns,'' Moody's senior vice president in Dubai, Philipp Lotter, said in the report. This ``necessitates a clear understanding of wider implicit federal support when rating key government-backed corporation.''

Moody's expects a ``high level'' of support from Abu Dhabi for the ``most important'' publicly-owned companies in the U.A.E., Tristan Cooper, Moody's Middle East sovereign analyst, said in the report.

A spokesman for the Abu Dhabi government declined to comment on whether the emirate would assist its neighbor in meeting its debt obligations.

Abu Dhabi and Dubai are the two-largest emirates in the seven-member U.A.E. Dubai controls its economy through state- owned companies that dominate each major industry.

Mohammed Al Gergawi, chairman of Dubai Holding, and Sultan bin Sulayem, chairman of Dubai World, didn't answer their mobile phones when called for comment today.

`Unprecedented'

Abu Dhabi taking stakes in Dubai companies to help prop them up would be an ``unprecedented'' step ``that would have to be tested,'' Gokkent at the state-controlled National Bank of Abu Dhabi said in an interview. ``The Moody's debt numbers are conservative'' for Dubai, he said.

Dubai's benchmark stock index is down 44 percent as concerns over real-estate valuations and banks' access to capital weighed on investors.

``In most countries there are identifiable delineations between the public and private sectors,'' Cooper said in the report. ``In Dubai, however, the state corporatist model plus the fact that the ruler and his closest relatives form the core of the government make it difficult to draw such distinctions.''



Last Updated: October 13, 2008 10:21 EDT.

Guest
14-10-08, 02:36 AM
Rashid will slit his wrists now.

GTi
14-10-08, 07:39 AM
Skint? That'll be why he spent more money than any other trainer at the at the Tatersalls sales in Newmarket...

MAKTOUMS CONTINUE SPENDING ON OPENING DAY OF TATTERSALLS OCTOBER 2

Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum and his brother Sheikh Hamdan continued their spending spree on the opening day of Book 2 of the Tattersalls October Yearling Sale. With John Ferguson bidding on behalf of Sheikh Mohammed, and Angus Gold bidding in conjuction with Sheikh Hamdan, a total of 24 lots were knocked down to the Darley and Shadwell Stud principals for a total of 1,922,000 guineas. Trade on the day saw 160 lots sold for 6,039,700 guineas at an average of 37,748 guineas and a median of 30,000 guineas.The top price for the day was 190,000 guineas for lot 841, the OASIS DREAM colt out of the RUDIMENTARY mare ROO who was knocked down to John Ferguson. The colt, consigned from Denis Brosnan’s Croom House Stud, had received a good catalogue update via his BAHAMIAN BOUNTY half-brother GALLAGHER who has finished fine seconds in both the Group 1 Prix Morny and Group 2 Mill Reef Stakes. His sire OASIS DREAM, who stands at Prince Khalid Abdullah’s Banstead Manor Stud near Newmarket, has enjoyed a particularly good year, with five Group winners in 2008 including his first Group 1 winner when NAAQOOS won the Group 1 Prix Jean-Luc Lagardere recently. Ferguson only secured the colt after seeing off the efforts of locally based agent Grant Pritchard-Gordon, of Badgers’ Bloodstock.The next two highest priced lots of the day both fell to Sheikh Hamdan’s Shadwell Estates. Bidding through his racing manager Angus Gold, Sheikh Hamdan signed for 13 lots for a total of 1,005,000 guineas including lot 653, the FOREST CAMP colt out of the UNBRIDLED’S SONG mare LOOK FOR GOOD. Consigned from Gay O’Callaghan’s Yeomanstown Stud, the colt was knocked down to Gold for 150,000 guineas after he saw off the efforts of agent Angie Sykes.

Darkon
14-10-08, 07:42 AM
Damn, even the sheiks are being taken down by this crisis!

Perhaps there is a larger perspective to why DIC diden't buy us!

AFII
14-10-08, 09:59 AM
Sheik Mo has a personal fortune of around £13 billion, the last time I checked so he isn't exactly skint.

dom9
14-10-08, 10:05 AM
Dubai's oil stocks are dwindling and have been for years. This is why they have expended into tourism and business, investing the oil money into something more sustainable.

Things is, they will be affected by the credit crunch, as they are relying on the wealthy to spend their money in Dubai.

Red Chilli
14-10-08, 10:06 AM
Sheik Mo has a personal fortune of around £13 billion, the last time I checked so he isn't exactly skint.

He only has that if he could liquidate his assets, which he can't.

All his wealth is tied up in investments, which have been wiped to shit in the last few weeks. I doubt he's skint, but I also doubt his personal fortune is 13 billion. :handshake:

AFII
14-10-08, 10:09 AM
He only has that if he could liquidate his assets, which he can't.

All his wealth is tied up in investments, which have been wiped to shit in the last few weeks. I doubt he's skint, but I also doubt his personal fortune is 13 billion. :handshake:

I think that his personal fortune isn't tied up. He has a lot of other investment companies that takes care of his investments.

He spends his personal fortune on horses, yachts and so on.

Red Chilli
14-10-08, 10:11 AM
I think that his personal fortune isn't tied up. He has a lot of other investment companies that takes care of his investments.

He spends his personal fortune on horses, yachts and so on.

You don't keep 13 billion quid knocking around under the mattress. The only way it could have retained it's value at all is if he has it stored in gold bullions, which I very much doubt.
Virtually everything has lost value, not just banks. :handshake:

Guest
14-10-08, 10:12 AM
You don't keep 13 billion quid knocking around under the mattress. The only way it could have retained it's value at all is if he has it stored in gold bullions, which I very much doubt.
Virtually everything has lost value, not just banks. :handshake:

I love Chillis :handshake: at each and every turn of phrase.

:crackoff:

Red Chilli
14-10-08, 10:14 AM
I love Chillis :handshake: at each and every turn of phrase.

:crackoff:

Part of my english etiquette old chap :handshake:

Guest
14-10-08, 10:16 AM
Part of my english etiquette old chap :handshake:

I see. I always thought you were welsh. :eyebrow: :handshake:

Red Chilli
14-10-08, 10:18 AM
I see. I always thought you were welsh. :eyebrow: :handshake:

you made the mistake of thinking :crackoff:

Guest
14-10-08, 10:19 AM
you made the mistake of thinking :crackoff:

:handshake:

Bari
14-10-08, 01:34 PM
I wait for the day Oil runs out in one country at least. Been hearing this since I has in Primary School 20 years ago.

BG1973
14-10-08, 01:45 PM
You don't keep 13 billion quid knocking around under the mattress. The only way it could have retained it's value at all is if he has it stored in gold bullions, which I very much doubt.
Virtually everything has lost value, not just banks. :handshake:

so that money i have in my account is worth less than it was 6 months ago?

shit.

Red Chilli
14-10-08, 01:47 PM
...

Bari
14-10-08, 01:48 PM
Considering Infaltion is at 5.2% in Uk, if your a saver your money is better off not in a bank account.

powerpack
14-10-08, 03:04 PM
Rashid will slit his wrists now.

Every Cloud....... :)

PoolG
14-10-08, 05:19 PM
Every Cloud....... :)

:haha:

ukfootballfan101
20-10-08, 11:47 AM
Dubai is stuggling, the shiek may have to prop up the economy by pumping his own money into various projects, so although he can carry on spending on horses, this is small change compared with the £1bn he would need to spend on buying LFC and building the new stadium.

Shaggy
20-10-08, 11:51 AM
Barrett in today's Echo:

Meanwhile, sources in the Middle East today indicated that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum’s interest in Liverpool is unwavering.

An offer remains on the table for the Reds but the ruler of Dubai is unwilling to pay any more than he believes the club is worth.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/10/20/daniel-agger-s-anfield-relief-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-22069806/2/

The_weatherman
20-10-08, 12:03 PM
Barrett in today's Echo:

Meanwhile, sources in the Middle East today indicated that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum’s interest in Liverpool is unwavering.

An offer remains on the table for the Reds but the ruler of Dubai is unwilling to pay any more than he believes the club is worth.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/10/20/daniel-agger-s-anfield-relief-liverpool-fc-latest-100252-22069806/2/

Good news I guess, he can dip in and rescue us when we go into receivership :shake: Don't care about the stadium, logic says that we can't be well off what with all the debt, it's not the best time to run a leveraged company I would think.

Sarb24
20-10-08, 12:23 PM
So Bascombe knows shit then?

Scratch
20-10-08, 12:27 PM
Good news I guess, he can dip in and rescue us when we go into receivership :shake: Don't care about the stadium, logic says that we can't be well off what with all the debt, it's not the best time to run a leveraged company I would think.

If we believe the offer remains on the table, then the fact that G&H have not taken it up says to me that they a) are in it for the long term and b) are not worried about refinancing the current deal.

dom9
20-10-08, 12:34 PM
So Bascombe knows shit then?

Wouldn't be the first time

The_weatherman
20-10-08, 12:50 PM
If we believe the offer remains on the table, then the fact that G&H have not taken it up says to me that they a) are in it for the long term and b) are not worried about refinancing the current deal.

you forgot c) T&G are being incredibly stubborn and showing a general lack of judgement in not being worried about refinancing, and d) they don't care about the debt as they can offload one or two players to balance the books,
e) both option c and d are correct.

I'll go for e)

Resu
20-10-08, 01:53 PM
If the reports about Kraft is true they might be in it for the long run. It might be as simple as they see LFC as the best place to make money (better than what they also own), and are willing to put their money here.
In the current finacial climate the offer from Dubai most be tempting, for them to turn it down they most feel confident that keeping the club is better, long term.
I don`t think pride has anything to do with it, they will do what they feel they can make the most cash from.

dww
20-10-08, 02:11 PM
If the reports about Kraft is true they might be in it for the long run. It might be as simple as they see LFC as the best place to make money (better than what they also own), and are willing to put their money here.
In the current finacial climate the offer from Dubai most be tempting, for them to turn it down they most feel confident that keeping the club is better, long term.
I don`t think pride has anything to do with it, they will do what they feel they can make the most cash from.

That does somewhat assume that the Dubai offer still exists.

Resu
20-10-08, 02:41 PM
I guess it assumes that there is at least one offer for the club. If G&H gets the right offer they will sell. So it`s clear that they feel they can make more money keeping the club than accepting any offers they`ve recieved.
If there is no interest for the club then there is not much G&H can do. They have to make money as best as they can (and that`s probaly not a way we will be happy with).