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Snigger
06-10-06, 02:33 PM
Are we united? the Welsh want their own assembly (only the welsh would name their governenment after a school meeting), the Socts want their own parliament, most Englishman would let them have both and the Northerm Irish, English and Rep Irish have been knocking shed loads of shit out of each other for decades.
Great Britain's not a good name either as it suggests a larger extension of Britany in France. So, if the English have to share their country with their celtic cousins what would be a good name?
England And The Lesser Isles?
The way the country is spiralling down I'd go for Chavland.
brikkis
06-10-06, 02:35 PM
Irescoengales
England And The Lesser Isles?
Not that many lesbians here Shaggy mate :handshake:
Are we united? the Welsh want their own assembly (only the welsh would name their governenment after a school meeting), the Socts want their own parliament, most Englishman would let them have both and the Northerm Irish, English and Rep Irish have been knocking shed loads of shit out of each other for decades.
Great Britain's not a good name either as it suggests a larger extension of Britany in France. So, if the English have to share their country with their celtic cousins what would be a good name?
Ireland :handshake:
Maestro
06-10-06, 02:38 PM
How about The Disenchanted Queendom?
warrenpeace
06-10-06, 02:41 PM
Are we united? the Welsh want their own assembly (only the welsh would name their governenment after a school meeting), the Socts want their own parliament, most Englishman would let them have both and the Northerm Irish, English and Rep Irish have been knocking shed loads of shit out of each other for decades.
Great Britain's not a good name either as it suggests a larger extension of Britany in France. So, if the English have to share their country with their celtic cousins what would be a good name?
England.
On a related note, anyone know what the correct terms are for the various parts of the UK? ie is Enland a country? If so what is Great Britain or the United Kingdom? Obviously you can't have a country within a country. :confused:
On a related note, anyone know what the correct terms are for the various parts of the UK? ie is Enland a country? If so what is Great Britain or the United Kingdom? Obviously you can't have a country within a country. :confused:
GB= Eng Scot Wales
UK= Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL
British Isles =Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL and Ireland
As far as I know.
brikkis
06-10-06, 02:45 PM
GB= Eng Scot Wales
UK= Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL
British Isles =Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL and Ireland
As far as I know.
Don't think Ireland is included in that mate. We're on our own :handshake:
Snigger
06-10-06, 02:47 PM
Don't think Ireland is included in that mate. We're on our own :handshake:
nope - you are in the British Isles I'm afraid, they are not a country but a group of Islands that consist of Great Britain and Ireland.
warrenpeace
06-10-06, 02:49 PM
GB= Eng Scot Wales
UK= Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL
British Isles =Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL and Ireland
As far as I know.
Yep, you are right but is the UK a country? Or are England, Scotland and that little colony bit to the West etc countries?
brikkis
06-10-06, 02:49 PM
nope - you are in the British Isles I'm afraid, they are not a country but a group of Islands that consist of Great Britain and Ireland.
Balls to that - I'm going to Thailand :handshake:
Maestro
06-10-06, 02:51 PM
The British Isles is a geographical term, not a political one. This is why Ireland is technically part of the group. Despite a suggestion of it, the term is not meant to be interpreted as meaning that the Republic of Ireland is British.
At least, that's my understanding of it.
Snigger
06-10-06, 02:52 PM
Yep, you are right but is the UK a country? Or are England, Scotland and that little colony bit to the West etc countries?
They are what is called a constituent country and between them they make up the UK which is the sovereign state.
The British Isles is a geographical term, not a political one. This is why Ireland is technically part of the group. Despite a suggestion of it, the term is not meant to be interpreted as meaning that the Republic of Ireland is British.
At least, that's my understanding of it.
:handshake:
I'd be lost without you Groucho mate.
You can put into words the thoughts I manage to have in between all the filth! :D
brikkis
06-10-06, 02:54 PM
The British Isles is a geographical term, not a political one. This is why Ireland is technically part of the group. Despite a suggestion of it, the term is not meant to be interpreted as meaning that the Republic of Ireland is British.
At least, that's my understanding of it.
Seems like a good understanding you have :handshake:
brikkis
06-10-06, 02:56 PM
Ps I'm still going to go to Thailand for 5 or 6 weeks next year :handshake:
warrenpeace
06-10-06, 02:56 PM
They are what is called a constituent country and between them they make up the UK which is the sovereign state.
OK so Great Britain is presumably a geographical term for mainland UK ie not Norn Iron?
What is the difference between a sovereign state and a country?
brikkis
06-10-06, 02:57 PM
OK so Great Britain is presumably a geographical term for mainland UK ie not Norn Iron?
What is the difference between a sovereign state and a country?
Are you from Warren Point mate?
Maestro
06-10-06, 02:58 PM
:handshake:
I'd be lost without you Groucho mate.
You can put into words the thoughts I manage to have in between all the filth! :D
If I could put into words, the filthy thoughts you have they'd no doubt kick me out of good old Catholic Austria!!
Anfield Mole
06-10-06, 02:59 PM
Every nation has areas with strong regional identity. Spain has Catalonia, France Brittany, we're no different.
I could put into words, the filthy thoughts you have they'd no doubt kick me out of good old Catholic Austria!!
I'll continue to do it on your behalf here in good old Catholic Ireland :handshake:
Every nation has areas with strong regional identity. Spain has Catatonia, France Brittany, we're no different.
They're Welsh and she's American mate :rolleyes:
:crackoff:
Snigger
06-10-06, 03:01 PM
OK so Great Britain is presumably a geographical term for mainland UK ie not Norn Iron?
What is the difference between a sovereign state and a country?
Sovereignty is where the political power is based ie government and therefore the state that issues passports etc... which is why we are all British. A soverign state can then be divided.
They're Welsh and she's American mate :rolleyes:
:crackoff:
I sympathise with your latest attempt at a joke. That was crap! :)
warrenpeace
06-10-06, 03:04 PM
Are you from Warren Point mate?
no, never heard of it.
I sympathise with your latest attempt at a joke. That was crap! :)
One miss out of all the hundreds of hits aint bad mate :D
One miss out of all the hundreds of hits aint bad mate :D
:shake: I just hadn't the heart to point out the others.... :crackoff:
redlancer
06-10-06, 03:05 PM
thought GB was when a scotish person won something
England was when there is football violence or wars.
UK - is when Wales try for the olympics
British isles is when a rock with a penguin on it wants a grant
Mumsafan
06-10-06, 03:06 PM
thought GB was when a scotish person won something
England was when there is football violence or wars.
UK - is when Wales try for the olympics
British isles is when a rock with a penguin on it wants a grant
:haha:
:shake: I just hadn't the heart to point out the others.... :crackoff:
I think you've proved you have no heart!! :cry:
:crackoff:
Maestro
06-10-06, 03:08 PM
Sovereignty is where the political power is based ie government and therefore the state that issues passports etc... which is why we are all British. A soverign state can then be divided.
We are not all British.
Thank you.
:handshake:
Mumsafan
06-10-06, 03:13 PM
This accountant I do some work for announced his missus ,who I;ve never met but he said she was Irish, had been left a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere in Ireland and he was moving abroad. I still have to do some work for him so he had to send me the new address. and phone number. All along he'd said he was moving to Ireland, the Republic! "You'll have to send stuff air mail".
The address arrived by email and I couldn't believe it. Thick twat is living in Omagh! I argued with him about it and he got me so confused that I had to text Bob to confirm that this is defo in Norn Iron and I was right!
Some people!
Don't know how many people might know this, but not many people i've ever asked seem to know were the union jack came from. But seeing as i like my useless trivia:
It's a combination of:
the flag of st george : England
the flag of st andrew : Scotland
the flag of st patrick : Ireland
Wales had no recognition in the flag, because it had been annexed when the flag was made.
Maestro
06-10-06, 03:18 PM
I knew that! :rock:
I'm going to take a guess that more scots, welsh and irish will know this than people from england
Anfield Mole
06-10-06, 03:24 PM
Don't know how many people might know this, but not many people i've ever asked seem to know were the union jack came from. But seeing as i like my useless trivia:
It's a combination of:
the flag of st george : England
the flag of st andrew : Scotland
the flag of st patrick : Ireland
Wales had no recognition in the flag, because it had been annexed when the flag was made.
Close but no cigar.
The country is called the United Kingdom as it unites the kingdoms of England, Ireland and Scotland. Wales is a mere principality.
I was talking about the flag, and I fail to see the point you're trying to make
The point he is making is because Wales isn't a Kingdom, it didn't warrant a place in the flag design... I don't know if that is correct though
Caco scuttles over to Wiki....
If that is the case then:
The reason it didn't warrant a place in the flag was because it was annexed by Edward I, and was legally part of the Kingdom of England when the original flag was created. Didn't realise I had to go into such detail over a piece of trivia.
The reason it didn't warrant a place in the flag was because it was annexed by Edward I, and was legally part of the Kingdom of England when the original flag was created. Didn't realise I had to go into such detail over a piece of trivia.
:haha: you didn't! :)
Wiki (if correct ;)) confirms that it was because of Wales being annexed....
Hollowman
06-10-06, 03:42 PM
This accountant I do some work for announced his missus ,who I;ve never met but he said she was Irish, had been left a farmhouse in the middle of nowhere in Ireland and he was moving abroad. I still have to do some work for him so he had to send me the new address. and phone number. All along he'd said he was moving to Ireland, the Republic! "You'll have to send stuff air mail".
The address arrived by email and I couldn't believe it. Thick twat is living in Omagh! I argued with him about it and he got me so confused that I had to text Bob to confirm that this is defo in Norn Iron and I was right!
Some people!
Omagh is about 70% Catholic, so perhaps some people just consider themsleves to be in the Republic. I'd wager a lot of that 70% are citizens of the Republic.
Snigger
06-10-06, 03:42 PM
Wales wasn't included because it is insignificant - end of.
Red_hot
06-10-06, 03:45 PM
I was talking about the flag, and I fail to see the point you're trying to make
This happens a lot, don't worry about it! :D
Los Rojos
06-10-06, 03:50 PM
Are we united? the Welsh want their own assembly (only the welsh would name their governenment after a school meeting)
Just under 50% of voters in Wales did not want the Assembly when it was introduced. :handshake:
Granted that probably included some English people who now live in Wales but a lot of Welsh people didn't want the bloody thing.
brikkis
06-10-06, 03:52 PM
no, never heard of it.
I was guessing by the way you said Norn Iron and your username with Warren in it :D
Snigger
06-10-06, 03:53 PM
that means just over 50% did though - thats a lot.
warrenpeace
06-10-06, 03:55 PM
I was guessing by the way you said Norn Iron and your username with Warren in it :D
A ha.
No
Anfield Mole
06-10-06, 03:57 PM
On the subject of the Union Jack I think it looks fine as it is.
I don't think the national flag would look right if we incorportated the Welsh flag in to it.
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brikkis
06-10-06, 03:58 PM
:haha:
Los Rojos
06-10-06, 04:00 PM
that means just over 50% did though - thats a lot.
Can't disagree with that.
Los Rojos
06-10-06, 04:01 PM
On the subject of the Union Jack I think it looks fine as it is.
I don't think the national flag would look right if we incorportated the Welsh flag in to it.
:D
Omagh is about 70% Catholic, so perhaps some people just consider themsleves to be in the Republic. I'd wager a lot of that 70% are citizens of the Republic.
I'll take a bite of that i.e. that less than 70% are citizens of the Republic.
The Omagh bombing left such an imprint on that town/city it still resonates today - there was a campaign to shift a large portion of the blame on the RUC, but it fell on quite a few deaf ears (no pun intended).
I'm not suggesting there has been a unionist swing since, just they're not quite as staunchly republican as they used to be. Only ever met protestants from Omagh (people oddly tend to introduce themselves as I my names Ryan - i'm a catholic - what's that about. The more subtle will ask you what club you support i.e. Rangers / Celtic :rolleyes: ) though you can't argue with the census demographic. It really is a one horse town, pretty much only famous for the folk museum and the IRA bomb.
Now Derry - they'll consider themselves more of a Republic City than even Dublin. And a few dubs on here may testify to that?? Every person i've met from Derry is staunchly nationalist, and all own an Irish passport. Some play down this fact saying, that to be captured in a foreign country with a passport can be a bad thing (given British politics). [I]Fair enough, but not for when you've only been as far as fucking Spain you fud! Hey each to their own just don't bullshit.
I was guessing by the way you said Norn Iron and your username with Warren in it :D
:haha:
Mums calls it that as well.
And despite her surname and the amount of Jamiesons she drinks daily, she's no more Irish than George Bush! :handshake:
Red_hot
06-10-06, 04:11 PM
I have Welsh in me.
MattBiscan
06-10-06, 04:12 PM
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
Los Rojos
06-10-06, 04:12 PM
I have Welsh in me.
So that's where Kaip is. I thought he was quiet today.
:D
Helios Creed
06-10-06, 04:12 PM
I have Welsh in me.
At the moment? :oh:
Curre... forget it. :o
EDIT - sweet God. Predictable Clique :o
Red_hot
06-10-06, 04:13 PM
:( Always lowering the tone.
Anfield Mole
06-10-06, 04:14 PM
I have Welsh in me.
Yes but your ancestors clearly had the good sense to leave. :handshake:
I have Welsh in me.
PLEASE GOD NO
brikkis
06-10-06, 04:14 PM
:( Always lowering the tone.
You must have known tho that someone would say something about that comment you made. I certainly thought it :D
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
Who the fuck are you. Feel a classic coming on. Pub beckons though.
brikkis
06-10-06, 04:15 PM
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
The only way that will happen is if/when we get invaded.
Red_hot
06-10-06, 04:15 PM
PLEASE GOD NO
Oh yes! We could be distantly related.
brikkis
06-10-06, 04:15 PM
:haha:
Mums calls it that as well.
And despite her surname and the amount of Jamiesons she drinks daily, she's no more Irish that George Bush! :handshake:
:D
:( Always lowering the tone.
Yes, yes you are. Don't say you don't do it on purpose. ;)
swisshenchoz
06-10-06, 04:16 PM
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
Let me know how you get on with that.
Red_hot
06-10-06, 04:16 PM
Yes, yes you are. Don't say you don't do it on purpose. ;)
Not me! :shake:
Los Rojos
06-10-06, 04:16 PM
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
David Icke has entered the building......
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
Don't let anyone call you a idealist! Defend it to the death!
MattBiscan
06-10-06, 04:19 PM
Don't let anyone call you a idealist! Defend it to the death!
I know, I know. It's not a solution and will never happen. But I don't get how people can be proud of their countries. I'd've rather my taxes go to a world pot than to Britain.
swisshenchoz
06-10-06, 04:20 PM
I know, I know. It's not a solution and will never happen. But I don't get how people can be proud of their countries. I'd've rather my taxes go to a world pot than to Britain.
They do. :shake:
warrenpeace
06-10-06, 04:21 PM
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
Est1892 ghost of John Lennon?
MattBiscan
06-10-06, 04:21 PM
They do. :shake:
The majority doesn't
Snigger
06-10-06, 04:24 PM
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
you've clearly not thought that statement through.......as usual.
Mumsafan
06-10-06, 04:48 PM
Omagh is about 70% Catholic, so perhaps some people just consider themsleves to be in the Republic. I'd wager a lot of that 70% are citizens of the Republic.
I don't need to send stuff as if it's going to a foreign country though do I
MattBiscan
06-10-06, 05:02 PM
you've clearly not thought that statement through.......as usual.
I meant geographical regions not political countries. So I don't see you're point. I doubt you do either. Unless you wish to explain yourself?
I don't need to send stuff as if it's going to a foreign country though do I
No, you certainly do not! It wasn't a question though to be fair.
Mumsafan
06-10-06, 05:05 PM
No, you certainly do not! It wasn't a question though to be fair.
FFS! The accountant was making out I had to cos Omagh was in the Republic!
Snigger
06-10-06, 05:20 PM
I meant geographical regions not political countries. So I don't see you're point. I doubt you do either. Unless you wish to explain yourself?
These are your very words:
"Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries."
When you say "regions not countries" that would imply you are indeed talking about the borders of countries, no? Breaking down borders in the middle east for example would be a little fucking stupid right now, as would the border between North and South Korea, or India and Pakistan or Iraq and Iran, I could go on but you probably get my drift. Secondly people are also patriotic about geographical regions, the recent Ryder Cup at the K club in Ireland is a good example of European patriotism.
FFS! The accountant was making out I had to cos Omagh was in the Republic!
I know - i was agreeing with you. Just had a hard day doing fuck all, but be nice to MSPs (actually quite hard - politicians are fuckers that know fuck all, but like to think they do).
Hollowman
06-10-06, 05:21 PM
FFS! The accountant was making out I had to cos Omagh was in the Republic!
Oh, right. No, I wasn't suggesting anything regarding the logistics of posting shit. I just meant from an identity point of view.
Hollowman
06-10-06, 05:29 PM
I'll take a bite of that i.e. that less than 70% are citizens of the Republic.
The Omagh bombing left such an imprint on that town/city it still resonates today - there was a campaign to shift a large portion of the blame on the RUC, but it fell on quite a few deaf ears (no pun intended).
I'm not suggesting there has been a unionist swing since, just they're not quite as staunchly republican as they used to be. Only ever met protestants from Omagh (people oddly tend to introduce themselves as I my names Ryan - i'm a catholic - what's that about. The more subtle will ask you what club you support i.e. Rangers / Celtic :rolleyes: ) though you can't argue with the census demographic. It really is a one horse town, pretty much only famous for the folk museum and the IRA bomb.
Now Derry - they'll consider themselves more of a Republic City than even Dublin. And a few dubs on here may testify to that?? Every person i've met from Derry is staunchly nationalist, and all own an Irish passport. Some play down this fact saying, that to be captured in a foreign country with a passport can be a bad thing (given British politics). [I]Fair enough, but not for when you've only been as far as fucking Spain you fud! Hey each to their own just don't bullshit.
I was guessing, but a lot of nationalists in the north choose to take up Republican citizenship, and probably would have before the bombing. I don't think they'd hand their passports in in defiance of the IRA. You can be nationalist and not support the 'Ra.
But like I said, I'm only going on a personal hunch. 70% might vote nationalist and hold British passports for all I know.
I was guessing, but a lot of nationalists in the north choose to take up Republican citizenship, and probably would have before the bombing. I don't think they'd hand their passports in in defiance of the IRA. You can be nationalist and not support the 'Ra.
But like I said, I'm only going on a personal hunch. 70% might vote nationalist and hold British passports for all I know.
Yeah but the uptake (and to a lesser extent renewals) may not have been as much since the bombing; since the bombing was such a long time ago it will have had an effect IMO.
Futile argument though. No one in Omagh has a bloody passport anyway. They're mostly afraid if they leave there'll be an uprising and they'll miss it. And on that note...
Hollowman
06-10-06, 05:59 PM
I could see that their support of Sinn Fein might have dropped off (witness the independent candidate winning a seat in West Tyrone), but the passport isn't anything to do with the IRA. Again, I could be wrong, but I'd find it strange if people started forsaking their citizenship because of a sectarian terrorist group.
Like you said though, futile.*
* We'll continue it for another week at least, right?
Hasn't stopped me before.
Just need to have a break and collect some more spurious thoughts.
Maestro
06-10-06, 06:36 PM
I meant geographical regions not political countries. So I don't see you're point. I doubt you do either. Unless you wish to explain yourself?
....[I]Here comes the Goosestepper
He's the lyrical gangster...[/ini kamoze]
mick the click
06-10-06, 11:53 PM
So what do you put on documents that ask for your nationality?
The only option these days is to tick the box and submit to being 'British.'
But the fact is I'm English first and British second - no big deal, but why can't I say I'm English?
Hollowman
06-10-06, 11:54 PM
Because England isn't the sovereign state.
paulcooper4
06-10-06, 11:58 PM
I meant geographical regions not political countries. So I don't see you're point. I doubt you do either. Unless you wish to explain yourself?
hows the hacking going mate?:handshake:
Red_hot
06-10-06, 11:58 PM
hows the hacking going mate?:handshake:
FLMAO
paulcooper4
06-10-06, 11:59 PM
FLMAO
it is though isnt it:haha: :haha:
Red_hot
07-10-06, 12:00 AM
it is though isnt it:haha: :haha:
I don't reckon. :handshake: Fucking nose is dropping off though! :D
paulcooper4
07-10-06, 12:02 AM
I don't reckon. :handshake: Fucking nose is dropping off though! :D
:haha: :handshake:
I could see that their support of Sinn Fein might have dropped off (witness the independent candidate winning a seat in West Tyrone), but the passport isn't anything to do with the IRA. Again, I could be wrong, but I'd find it strange if people started forsaking their citizenship because of a sectarian terrorist group.
Like you said though, futile.*
* We'll continue it for another week at least, right?
Voting in Omagh is heavily influenced by their fight to keep their local hospital and acute services alive and on which one of the surgeons of the hospital ran for election. The Omagh people have suffered massively due to the bomb but its not just Omagh - Donegal lost a few kids in that bomb aswell and indeed there was a spanish student killed in it aswell. The scum that are to blame for it are nothing to Republicans or Nationalists - the people that did it have an interest in having fear in the province as they can continue to line their own pockets through their racketeering and diesel laundering etc. It has come to pass that there was a fuck up by the police and confusion about the warnings given - some reports even state that the bombers parked in the wrong place - its all irrelevant Hoey will get his gettings one way or another.
As for passports - most do carry Irish passports but its no big deal - as a nationalist you see the whole island as Ireland - currently 6 counties of it is occupied by a foreign government - but thats a long story - we'll get it back
Great Britain's not a good name either as it suggests a larger extension of Britany in France. So, if the English have to share their country with their celtic cousins what would be a good name?
Share "their" country - says it all really. I couldn't give a flying fuck about the english - I'm scouse, certainly NOT english.
Neil Young
07-10-06, 09:24 AM
Close but no cigar.
The country is called the United Kingdom as it unites the kingdoms of England, Ireland and Scotland. Wales is a mere principality.
For information, the United Kingdom is composed of the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, the Principality of Wales and the Province of Northern Ireland.
I object to living in a kingdom - why we have a monarch in the twenty-first century is preposterous.
Hollowman
07-10-06, 11:51 AM
Because democratically elected leaders on both sides of the Atlantic are serving us so well.
Neil Young
07-10-06, 12:42 PM
You know that's not really an argument but I must admit I'm shocked - I didn't have you down as a royalist.
Are you really Hollowman 2?
Hollowman
07-10-06, 12:52 PM
I wasn't advocating a return to a sovereign monarchy. But I have no problem with the existence of the institution. The argument over public money being wasted on them doen't really convince me. It's not like hospitals aren't being built because the Royal family live in big houses. And between them they generate a phenomenal amount of charitable funding and perform a worthwhile diplomatic role. I don't get idealistic about it. Like someone smarter than me said, an idealist is someone who, upon realising a rose smells better than a cabbage, automatically comcludes it will also make a better soup.
Neil Young
07-10-06, 12:58 PM
Pragmatism without principle means the acceptance of the status quo. It's Blairism frankly.
The Glove
07-10-06, 01:01 PM
I accept the Status Quo.
And I like it, I like it, I like it, I la la la like it, la la la like it.
Red_hot
07-10-06, 01:03 PM
Hehehe
Neil Young
07-10-06, 01:04 PM
I accept the Status Quo.
And I like it, I like it, I like it, I la la la like it, la la la like it.
Here we go. :rolleyes:
:D
Red_hot
07-10-06, 01:04 PM
an idealist is someone who, upon realising a rose smells better than a cabbage, automatically comcludes it will also make a better soup.
I like that!! :handshake:
Red_Polo
07-10-06, 01:09 PM
I wasn't advocating a return to a sovereign monarchy. But I have no problem with the existence of the institution. The argument over public money being wasted on them doen't really convince me. It's not like hospitals aren't being built because the Royal family live in big houses. And between them they generate a phenomenal amount of charitable funding and perform a worthwhile diplomatic role. I don't get idealistic about it. Like someone smarter than me said, an idealist is someone who, upon realising a rose smells better than a cabbage, automatically comcludes it will also make a better soup.
I agree, but we shouldn't underestimate the symbolic power of a monarch. Get rid I say :)
Don't knock the Monarchy....
...
...they are fantastic for tourism :)
R
Hollowman
07-10-06, 01:11 PM
Pragmatism without principle means the acceptance of the status quo. It's Blairism frankly.
No, it really doesn't. Actually, that doesn't make any sense. If the status quo isn't working, then refusing to change it isn't pragmatic at all.
In fact, Blair has gone to exceptional lengths to change stuff that is working.
Upon closer examination, you couldn't have been more wrong. Aphorisms might not be your strong point.
Neil Young
07-10-06, 01:13 PM
Hmmm. Thanks for that.
Hollowman
07-10-06, 01:15 PM
Happy to help.
bazza76
07-10-06, 01:17 PM
Irescoengales
:haha:
bazza76
07-10-06, 01:20 PM
GB= Eng Scot Wales
UK= Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL
British Isles =Eng,Scot,Wales,NIRL and Ireland
As far as I know.
I thought the UK = England Scotland wales.
GB = Norn Iron, Scotland, England and Wales.
Was unsure about the Brittish Isles.
Red_Polo
07-10-06, 01:45 PM
I thought the UK = England Scotland wales.
GB = Norn Iron, Scotland, England and Wales.
Was unsure about the Brittish Isles.
Nah, if you look an a British passport it says 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Of course that's under where it says European Union :eyebrow:
bazza76
07-10-06, 01:50 PM
Nah, if you look an a British passport it says 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Of course that's under where it says European Union :eyebrow:
:haha: I starting to think everyone is confused, and nobody really gives a shit what way they put it lol. Unless ofcourse you are Irish and are really opposed to being called British or Ukish lol.
Maestro
07-10-06, 01:52 PM
So, like, you guys, like, live in different States and stuff? That is like soooo neat. What part of the United Kingdom is Paris in?
Mumsafan
09-10-06, 10:16 AM
So, like, you guys, like, live in different States and stuff? That is like soooo neat. What part of the United Kingdom is Paris in?
Or which part of the UK is in her?
Abro100
09-10-06, 11:47 AM
Why not just have England Ireland Scotland Wales, you dont see Spain and France having a united name?
Mumsafan
09-10-06, 11:53 AM
Why not just have England Ireland Scotland Wales, you dont see Spain and France having a united name?
That's cos they are 2 different countries, but Spain has certain identifiable regions that would prefer to be on their own. Like Catalunya and the Basque country
Abro100
09-10-06, 11:54 AM
Arnt England and Scotland to diffrent countries?
Mumsafan
09-10-06, 11:55 AM
Yes but they are united. Like the Czech Republic and Slovakia used to be and the like (well not exactly but that sort of thing).
Abro100
09-10-06, 11:57 AM
So if we Sperated would Scotland have there own Priminister?
A complete separation would probably mean that Scotland would need a Prime Minister or President....
Mumsafan
09-10-06, 12:14 PM
A complete separation would probably mean that Scotland would need a Prime Minister or President....
And a lot more money from somewhere
True, but seeing as they would still be in the EU, they'd probably get a nice increase in funding from them...
Mumsafan
09-10-06, 12:19 PM
They would have to apply to be in the EU as a new country though, they wouldn't automatically go in. We could vote against them :D
Maestro
09-10-06, 12:31 PM
Or which part of the UK is in her?
Probably Cockup in Cumbria.
:handshake:
The royal family: Piano wire's too good for em'
der_Fuchs
10-10-06, 08:41 PM
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Spare Zara, hang her tailor instead!
Patriotsim is a joke. Break down the borders and let's just have Earth. Regions, not countries.
What you have to look at is the difference between a patriot and a nationalist.
A patriot loves his/her country, whereas a nationalist hates everyone elses. I love Scotland but I love the UK just as much, we'd all be in a much worse place if we were seperated.
Besides the rivalry and banter wouldn't be as much fun.
What you have to look at is the difference between a patriot and a nationalist.
A patriot loves his/her country, whereas a nationalist hates everyone elses. I love Scotland but I love the UK just as much, we'd all be in a much worse place if we were seperated.
Besides the rivalry and banter wouldn't be as much fun.
Then why is patriotism the last refuge of a Scoundrel?
Then why is patriotism the last refuge of a Scoundrel?
Perhaps Samuel Johnson didn't know the difference between the two, if he was a member of est1892 he would be better informed.
Red_Polo
11-10-06, 04:34 PM
Perhaps Samuel Johnson didn't know the difference between the two, if he was a member of est1892 he would be better informed.
Haha :D
I agree...
Loving a country must mean you love it relative to other countries, which doesn't necessitate nationalism by any means, but it is where nationalism has it's roots.
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