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Craig_H
23-04-09, 02:01 AM
Very much looks like he'll be leaving the mancs - he's said so himself.
If the price was right, would you take him?
For the record, i dont think he's worth £30m but will that even be the price? That is what his owner dude would've originally been wanting, but i cant see him getting it. Who would pay £30m for him? City, obviously but that's not going to happen. I doubt anyone will fork out quite as much as that.
I know Shaggy doesnt rate him, but i think he'd be lethal with Torres. He hasnt been amazing in terms of tangible output this season, but i think if he played regularly, he'd score more than enough goals.
Even with his little cameos for the mancs, he's popped up on occasion making the difference between 1 point and 3. I think he'd be a very good option, personally - at the right price.
squaddie
23-04-09, 02:13 AM
Very much looks like he'll be leaving the mancs - he's said so himself.
If the price was right, would you take him?
For the record, i dont think he's worth £30m but will that even be the price? That is what his owner dude would've originally been wanting, but i cant see him getting it. Who would pay £30m for him? City, obviously but that's not going to happen. I doubt anyone will fork out quite as much as that.
I know Shaggy doesnt rate him, but i think he'd be lethal with Torres. He hasnt been amazing in terms of tangible output this season, but i think if he played regularly, he'd score more than enough goals.
Even with his little cameos for the mancs, he's popped up on occasion making the difference between 1 point and 3. I think he'd be a very good option, personally - at the right price.
I thought that initially but i dont think we'd know until it happened, and i dont fancy gambling 30 mil to find out. Plus he seems to look like an upgrade version of Kuyt and since he's been earning his place each week i dont think it's vital.
Fuck paying £25m for him. Wouldnt mind getting him on a 2 year loan deal
Very much looks like he'll be leaving the mancs - he's said so himself.
If the price was right, would you take him?
For the record, i dont think he's worth £30m but will that even be the price? That is what his owner dude would've originally been wanting, but i cant see him getting it. Who would pay £30m for him? City, obviously but that's not going to happen. I doubt anyone will fork out quite as much as that.
I know Shaggy doesnt rate him, but i think he'd be lethal with Torres. He hasnt been amazing in terms of tangible output this season, but i think if he played regularly, he'd score more than enough goals.
Even with his little cameos for the mancs, he's popped up on occasion making the difference between 1 point and 3. I think he'd be a very good option, personally - at the right price.
I'd take Tevez in a flash. I think he would thrive in our team. You just have to look at how many goals he scored for a poor West Ham team to realize his potential. As for his record with the Mancs, well when you consider that the top Premier League goal scorer only has about 17 I think its fair to say that there aren't the huge goal hauls from individuals that we used to see. Get him plaing centrally off Torres, as opposed to the left or right, and I think he'll get more chances. He's still quite young and could become a class act.
Of course that leaves the question of fitting him Stevie and Torres in the same team. We've found our best formation and I'm not sure we should be pissing about with wholesale experimental changes, certainly not ones that cost £30m. From that point Owen makes more sense.
I can't make my mind up on this one. I used to rate him so highly, and in fact I think I remember wanting him over Torres (which whilst in hindsight maybe a little embarrassing, it's not quite up to Darren Bent levels of embarrassment :D ). Now though I can't decide if he is not as good as I first thought, or if he has just stagnated with the Mancs due to being a bit part player.
And then as Rowan says we would have a problem of where we play him? If we play him left or right of our attack are we going to see the best of him? His best position would undoubtedly be behind Torres, but then do we want to break up the Sexy Tits/Gerrard partnership and have a Keane situation all over again.
Hmmmmmmm strokes chin
I'm kinda the same..used to rate him highly but not now. To be honest he'll always be a Manc to me and I wouldn't really feel comfortable seeing him in our shirt. I'd rather use Ngog or Nemeth and buy a winger or two
I don't see the point at the minute. He would do well for us but he would be in the same role as he is at United - i.e. not necessarily first team but means that the squad is of a similar standard. Tactically he is no more useful than Kuyt and I would rather we invested in a different option to what we have and I think we could do so substantially cheaper than Tevez would be.
If he was available at a very cheap price or for a reasonable loan fee then he is well worth considering but I would explore a lot of avenues before him.
What he said (dww) :handshake:
I don't see the point at the minute. He would do well for us but he would be in the same role as he is at United - i.e. not necessarily first team but means that the squad is of a similar standard. Tactically he is no more useful than Kuyt and I would rather we invested in a different option to what we have and I think we could do so substantially cheaper than Tevez would be.
If he was available at a very cheap price or for a reasonable loan fee then he is well worth considering but I would explore a lot of avenues before him.
:handshake:
the rev leeroy brown
23-04-09, 09:51 AM
i'd take him in a flash. for what we have now in reserve, tevez is a million miles better. say ( touch wood ) torres gets injured next year and has to sit out 3-4 months of the season. who would rather lead the line? ngog, babel, voronin or tevez? it's a no brainer. we could pretty much keep torres much fitter and without injury by plaing tevez as the cup striker and against the likes of hull, wolves, stoke etc... or when we are 2-3 goals to the good against teams such as everton, citeh or spurs take torres off after 60 mins and bring on tevez who would still be a problem for the oppo.
I'd have him and his work rate means i'm sure rafa would have him too, it'd be also good to see how the Mancs would react to one of their players being signed by us too.
my :source: at the manchester evening news says tevez has been told that basically his face doesnt fit/they are looking for new faces
my :source: at the manchester evening news says tevez has been told that basically his face doesnt fit/they are looking for new faces
Your avatar should be Pinnochio la.... :crackoff: :crackoff: :crackoff:
my :source: at the manchester evening news says tevez has been told that basically his face doesnt fit/they are looking for new faces
given the state of his face I'm not surprised it dosen't fit.
He's up there with freddie Kruger for child scaring abilities
Your avatar should be Pinnochio la.... :crackoff: :crackoff: :crackoff:
given the state of his face I'm not surprised it dosen't fit.
He's up there with freddie Kruger for child scaring abilities
im thinkin your two failed to see the funnmy side
ne,er mind onwards
kopster
23-04-09, 11:16 AM
Tevez = Benayoun on Steroids!
But I still wouldnt pay 30m for him.
im thinkin your two failed to see the funny side
ne,er mind onwards
That might be pushing it a little mate :crackoff: :D
DeeTheDog
23-04-09, 11:26 AM
Personally, I still rate him very highly and I disagree with the comparison to Kuyt. Yes both have excellent energy and aren't aesthetically pleasing but Tevez is a direct forward who likes to dribble, whilst Dirk is about movement off the ball.
We still sorely lack players that can dribble and can attack deep lying defenders. Tevez has struggled to hold down a regular starting place for United as he is similar to Rooney and United believe Berbatov makes a better spearhead to their attack. His biggest asset I believe is his ability to score important goals, shown both at West Ham and United.
All transfers are a gamble; Torres had stagnated at Atletico and was not a prolific goal scorer, yet look at the bargain we got when taking the risk.
I don't believe he would come but I think he just the type of player we need and certainly offer us something different to what we already have.
Pablo1981
23-04-09, 11:43 AM
He's a better player than he looks for that shower of shite.
I think being at Liverpool could reignite his career, particularly being back with Mascherano.
He would LOVE everything about our club, it would inspire him. I Would take him for the right place definitely.
kris90210
23-04-09, 11:54 AM
Id be very excited if we signed him. 30 million seems very steep - 20 million though and I think he'd be a great signing.
Maxiedge
23-04-09, 11:58 AM
What he said (pablo1981) :handshake:
Personally, I still rate him very highly and I disagree with the comparison to Kuyt. Yes both have excellent energy and aren't aesthetically pleasing but Tevez is a direct forward who likes to dribble, whilst Dirk is about movement off the ball.
He does like to dribble etc but he has a tendency to drop too deep like Dirk when played up front and he doesn't have the searing pace to make his dribbling effective from those positions (at least in the PL). So tactically I maintain there is very little difference in practice.
We still sorely lack players that can dribble and can attack deep lying defenders. Tevez has struggled to hold down a regular starting place for United as he is similar to Rooney and United believe Berbatov makes a better spearhead to their attack.
But less good in every way.
His biggest asset I believe is his ability to score important goals, shown both at West Ham and United
All transfers are a gamble; Torres had stagnated at Atletico and was not a prolific goal scorer, yet look at the bargain we got when taking the risk.
I don't believe he would come but I think he just the type of player we need and certainly offer us something different to what we already have.
There are some valid points here but I think the problem is deeper than stagnation - I feel his limitations have been found out and I have seen little sign of him being intelligent enough to adapt to that. He hasn't really scored let alone getting key goals this season.
The last part as stated above I don't really agree with. He does have some different skills but he in the same way as Babel I don't think he has the footballing intelligence or instincts to use them in the best way.
He's a better option than Silva.
Can play in a multitude of possies, and offers a fantastic work ethic + skill + killer instinct. Would fuck the Mancs off too.
Get him in Rafa
Kenneth
23-04-09, 12:21 PM
He's a better player than he looks for that shower of shite.
I think being at Liverpool could reignite his career, particularly being back with Mascherano.
He would LOVE everything about our club, it would inspire him. I Would take him for the right place definitely.
:handshake: I think Rafa would love him to come to LFC.
He wouldn’t get a game though. It’d be Keane all over again, and for Tevez it’d be this season at United all over again. Yes we need back-up for Torres but not £20-30m back-up.
I rate Tevez but for 20m quid I want a player for the 1st team not a backup to Torres. we can't afford to spunk money like that. Put the money toward a winger. The only other thing is switching our formation to accomodate him:
----------Masch--------Xabi----------
-----------------SG------------------
Kuyt-----------Torres----------Tevez
No natural width but in Kuyt and Tevez you have 2 versatile players with a huge workrate. Fullbacks can provide the width i.e Insua and maybe Glen Johnson
Parr_Zee
23-04-09, 12:39 PM
Definitely take him - his skill levels, work ethic and ability to take a good set-peice would make him a crowd favourite here.
Kenneth
23-04-09, 12:44 PM
He wouldn’t get a game though. It’d be Keane all over again, and for Tevez it’d be this season at United all over again. Yes we need back-up for Torres but not £20-30m back-up.
I think we're going to have the same conversation with ever striker that is linked. Do we need to buy a quality striker or not?
I don't understand people saying that they don't want to see a lot of money spent on a backup to Torres. The fact we haven't had a replacement for him while he's been injured is probably the reason we're not top of the league now so I think that another forward is the essential signing this summer with alternatives for Kuyt and Arbeloa as the secondary targets.
I think reinforcement is more essential up front, especially considering Torres' injury record and I think that's where the majority of our outlay should go.
As for Tevez, I believe he'd be a great signing. He's a versatile, hard working quality attacking player and there'd be plenty of opportunites for him to play on the right, left and secondary striker, not just up front when Nando is injured/ tired.
PC Plod
23-04-09, 12:47 PM
Would well annoy the Scummers- he might not be their favouruate, but they rate him a lot higher than Berbatoss.
Used to be well keen on him before the Scum thing- even more so than Torres the fool I was. £20m would do us as a very good option I think. CAnt se it tho.
Maxiedge
23-04-09, 12:47 PM
He wouldn’t get a game though. It’d be Keane all over again, and for Tevez it’d be this season at United all over again. Yes we need back-up for Torres but not £20-30m back-up.
Keane had plenty of chances...and missed them all :)
I think we're going to have the same conversation with ever striker that is linked. Do we need to buy a quality striker or not?
Personally, no, I don't think so. I think we need to find a good striker who is happy to play second fiddle (I don't think Ngog is quite ready). Sadly that's easier said than done. We 100% have greater priorities in the 1st team.
Kenneth
23-04-09, 12:54 PM
Personally, no, I don't think so. I think we need to find a good striker who is happy to play second fiddle (I don't think Ngog is quite ready). Sadly that's easier said than done. We 100% have greater priorities in the 1st team.
So when Voronin comes back we'll be sorted.
I said a good striker. :D
RedReet
23-04-09, 01:35 PM
He wouldn’t get a game though. It’d be Keane all over again, and for Tevez it’d be this season at United all over again. Yes we need back-up for Torres but not £20-30m back-up.
Completely agree. And at this stage in his career there is no way Tevez is gonna sign for someone unless they can virtually guarantee him a starting place in his favoured position most weeks, which we can’t do.
Wouldn’t mind being proven wrong, but realistically I think there is about as much chance of Messi signing.
Montana
23-04-09, 03:19 PM
£30m is a bit steep but at £20m I would definitely sign him.
Tevez can play in 4 different positions so he would definitely get plenty of games for us as he's a better option than a lot of our back-up players such as Babel, & Dossena and could easily displace Riera and possibly Kuyt as first-choice. He rarely gets injured and gives 100% for every minute of every game. Also, PL experienced now. People don't realise how skilful he is and has a lot of potential to improve further.
His strike rate at United 1 in 3 which is not bad at all given the number sub appearances and different positions he's played in.
Don't forget too he was South American Footballer of the Year 2003, 2004, 2005.
PC Plod
23-04-09, 03:34 PM
£30m is a bit steep but at £20m I would definitely sign him.
Tevez can play in 4 different positions so he would definitely get plenty of games for us as he's a better option than a lot of our back-up players such as Babel, & Dossena and could easily displace Riera and possibly Kuyt as first-choice. He rarely gets injured and gives 100% for every minute of every game. Also, PL experienced now. People don't realise how skilful he is and has a lot of potential to improve further.
His strike rate at United 1 in 3 which is not bad at all given the number sub appearances and different positions he's played in.
Don't forget too he was South American Footballer of the Year 2003, 2004, 2005.
Ta. couldnt be arsed saying this, but you've done it for me.
Don't forget too he was South American Footballer of the Year 2003, 2004, 2005.
And Lucas was in 2007! :D
PC Plod
23-04-09, 03:41 PM
And Lucas was in 2007! :D
Who was in 6,8 &9?
Who was in 6,8 &9?
Veron was last year :haha:
And Lucas was in 2007! :D
no lucas was never south american player of the year.,....think he was the golden ball winner ( not presented by jasper carrott )
prestigious trophy handed out by their league....
Exiled_red
23-04-09, 05:08 PM
no lucas was never south american player of the year.,....think he was the golden ball winner ( not presented by jasper carrott )
prestigious trophy handed out by their league....
According to wikipedia he won the Bola de Ouro (Brazilian Footballer of the year) in 2006
According to wikipedia he won the Bola de Ouro (Brazilian Footballer of the year) in 2006
but that is different from the south american player of the year....which was my point :)
According to wikipedia he won the Bola de Ouro (Brazilian Footballer of the year) in 2006
whats Bola de Ouro translated into english ? :p
Exiled_red
23-04-09, 05:15 PM
but that is different from the south american player of the year....which was my point :)
Yeah I was agreeing with you :crackoff:
Montana
23-04-09, 05:19 PM
Lucas won Brazilian Player of the Year, never South American.
I think you'll find Lucas won World Player of the Year. :handshake:
Joe King
23-04-09, 05:27 PM
Lucas won the Ballon D'or :handshake:
Neil Young
23-04-09, 05:28 PM
And Strictly.
Joe King
23-04-09, 05:32 PM
and got the Countdown Conundrum - it was 'Detergent'
I think you'll find Lucas will win World Player of the Year. :handshake:
:respect:
:jaw:
Yeah I was agreeing with you :crackoff:
oh :haha: :handshake:
DannyMan2006
23-04-09, 06:11 PM
and got the Countdown Conundrum - it was 'Detergent'
:haha:
Rigadon
23-04-09, 06:24 PM
Tevez is a very good player but he’s not worth £30m. I’d sign him for £20m.
I think Utd would rather sign Benzema.
Cormack74
23-04-09, 10:05 PM
From Wiki, not quite bang up to date but anyway here's a comparison of sorts:
Tevez totals 192 senior appearances, 81 goals.
24 goals in 84 matches since he came to the UK compared to Kuyt 24 in 98.
Look at his quotes: (from the BEEB)
"There are many players and they all need to play but I have not played important matches," said Tevez.
As a player I can't permit myself to play one game, but not another.
"And also, the World Cup is coming up. I see it very difficult to stay with Manchester United. That's the reality.
"You can score three or four goals and not play in the next game.
"It gets to your head. I need to play," said Tevez.
How is that going to be different with Liverpool with Rafa? For that matter how is it going to be different for any of the top teams in Europe?
I doubt we'll get him if he wants a guarantee of playing time...
They wouldn't sell him to us.
If he's to leave United he'll be bound for Spain or Italy.
United don't actually own him though, so they don't really have a say where he goes, no?
kingfunk
23-04-09, 10:59 PM
They wouldn't sell him to us.
If he's to leave United he'll be bound for Spain or Italy.
They dont own him marky, so he can go wherever he wants, unlike gabby heinze.
Aw aye that's right, fucked up transfer that was.
Still, i'd say he'll move to Inter Milan or someone.
kingfunk
23-04-09, 11:09 PM
Aw aye that's right, fucked up transfer that was.
Still, i'd say he'll move to Inter Milan or someone.
If i was to put a few quid on it id say real madrid myself. Should be an interesting summer.
Ataturk
23-04-09, 11:12 PM
From The Times
April 24, 2009
Rafael Benitez launches bold bid to bring Carlos Tevez to Anfield
Oliver Kay, Football Correspondent
Rafael Benítez is preparing to antagonise Sir Alex Ferguson once more with an audacious bid to sign Carlos Tévez.
The Argentina forward is increasingly resigned to leaving Manchester United at the end of the season, with Real Madrid his most likely destination. Benítez has signalled Liverpool’s willingness to join Chelsea, Manchester City and Inter Milan in the mêlée for his signature.
Ferguson has not yet given up hope of retaining Tévez’s services after his complicated two-year lease arrangement expires at the end of the season, but the forward’s growing discontent means that he will consider a move away from Old Trafford — even if United manage to reach an agreement with the companies that hold his economic rights.
Tévez would be likely to cost any other club more than the £22 million that United have to pay at the end of the season to turn the player’s loan into a permanent deal. Benítez, though, is determined to test the water.
The Spaniard knows that United have no control over Tévez if and when he leaves Old Trafford and that the Barclays Premier League leaders would not receive any money, with the transfer fee instead going to the companies, headed by Kia Joorabchian, that own the player’s economic rights.
Tévez, 25, is frustrated at his loss of favour since Dimitar Berbatov’s arrival at Old Trafford, having not started any of United’s four matches in the Champions League knockout phase.
Madrid are favourites to sign Tévez should he end his two-year stint at United, with Florentino Pérez, who is expected to be elected Real’s new president next month, confident of delivering the forward as part of a wide-reaching rebuilding operation that is expected to include a world-record bid for Cristiano Ronaldo, the United forward. But Liverpool have registered their interest in signing Tévez if he wishes to stay in England — and if the price is right.
Tévez declared in an interview with an Argentine radio station this week that “in my situation, an exit [from United] will be the best solution”, citing interest from Real and Inter as well as other clubs, of which there are now three in England monitoring the situation.
Ferguson, the United manager, would bristle at the idea of the forward joining just about any of the interested clubs. He blocked Gabriel Heinze’s proposed move to Liverpool in August 2007 and said of Real this season that he “wouldn’t sell that mob a virus”.
As revealed in The Times a week ago, Tévez concluded that his future lay away from United after being dropped for the 1-0 victory away to Porto in the Champions League quarter-final, second leg.
His sense of injustice is shared by some of his team-mates and certainly by the club’s supporters, who cheered his name loudly when the substitutes were announced before the 2-0 Premier League victory over Portsmouth on Wednesday — in contrast to Berbatov, whose name was booed by an audible minority.
These are issues that Ferguson could do without, having shown several signs of tetchiness in recent weeks even as his team continue their defence of the Premier League and Champions League titles.
He has been at odds with Benítez since January and the Liverpool manager continued the verbal jousting yesterday. Benítez insisted that he had been right to stand up to his United counterpart and that Liverpool are the better team on form, even though they trail by three points in the title race, having played a game more.
“I’m not having a battle of words with Alex Ferguson,” Benítez said in an interview with a Spanish newspaper. “But I believe that he can see that we are the better side and that
we’re very close to United. He has been playing these kind of mind games for many years. Nobody has ever said anything against him or stood up to him. It seems like he has a licence to do these sort of things.
“I try not to talk too much, but all I can do when I speak is to defend my own team. I did not say that he seems frightened, but I said that he looks nervous as he can see that we are very close to his team.”
Joe King
23-04-09, 11:18 PM
I wouldn't take much from that article. Based on pure speculation Ollie Kay has picked up from RAWK
DannyMan2006
23-04-09, 11:23 PM
I'd take him if we were to revert to 442. Fantastic player who will get better when given games. He was awesome last year for United. His and Rooneys work enabled Ronaldo to run riot. With Kuyt on one side and Tevez on the other in a 4231 I imagine they'd create all sorts of problems, though personally I'd prefer a player who offers dribbling, width and pace.
I wouldn't grumble at his signing, but if we are to stick with 4231 then surely there are players more suited to our formation?
DannyMan2006
23-04-09, 11:25 PM
I wouldn't take much from that article. Based on pure speculation Ollie Kay has picked up from RAWK
All it says is we'd be interested at the right price, I reckon we would be. But I have to say there is too much of "what if" and "Could" in there to make it worth thinking about.
Can't see it happening.
Darth Marty
24-04-09, 12:16 AM
id have him for 20mill ish
Slinky Skills
24-04-09, 06:58 AM
I'd have him, not forgetting he's also best mates with the Monster which can only be good for the team.
I'd have him, not forgetting he's also best mates with the Monster which can only be good for the team.
lets hope he doesnt speak to monsters mrs as its alledged she wants out isnt it ?
PC Plod
24-04-09, 08:50 AM
Not heard that about Monster's missus.
At the very least this will annoy Ferguscum. Didnt he try upset/sign Masher before he was permanent?
Not heard that about Monster's missus.
At the very least this will annoy Ferguscum. Didnt he try upset/sign Masher before he was permanent?
is right
rumours been doin the rounds here that maschers mrs want out of england
fuck knows why he,d listen to her mind
PC Plod
24-04-09, 09:22 AM
She can go - not arsed. As long as we keep him.
She can go - not arsed. As long as we keep him.
:handshake: love not blind in plods casa i see
is right
rumours been doin the rounds here that maschers mrs want out of england
fuck knows why he,d listen to her mind
Where are these rumours doing the rounds mate?
PC Plod
24-04-09, 10:34 AM
Where are these rumours doing the rounds mate?
His mate Stevie told him. :handshake:
Where are these rumours doing the rounds mate?
dont get ya pal ?
the takeover ones the monster ones or what ?
pulled this from another site
i hadnt heard tbh
a rumour has been building over the past few weeks on merseyside and has now become unavoidable
but basically his missus has had enough of our shite country and shite weather and wants him to up sticks and move
she was allegedly keeping quiet about it as she felt that Rafa would feck off and thus Masher too would leave our club in the turmoil that followed however since Rafa has commited to the club she has realised that her easy way out of Blighty has just gone up in tatters and she has told MAsher she aint happy over here
PC Plod
24-04-09, 11:00 AM
Sounds like toss.
dont get ya pal ?
the takeover ones the monster ones or what ?
The Masher ones mate, just hadn't heard nothing
pulled this from another site
i hadnt heard tbh
a rumour has been building over the past few weeks on merseyside and has now become unavoidable
but basically his missus has had enough of our shite country and shite weather and wants him to up sticks and move
she was allegedly keeping quiet about it as she felt that Rafa would feck off and thus Masher too would leave our club in the turmoil that followed however since Rafa has commited to the club she has realised that her easy way out of Blighty has just gone up in tatters and she has told MAsher she aint happy over here
:handshake:
Hope its not true
kingfunk
24-04-09, 11:23 AM
pulled this from another site
i hadnt heard tbh
a rumour has been building over the past few weeks on merseyside and has now become unavoidable
but basically his missus has had enough of our shite country and shite weather and wants him to up sticks and move
she was allegedly keeping quiet about it as she felt that Rafa would feck off and thus Masher too would leave our club in the turmoil that followed however since Rafa has commited to the club she has realised that her easy way out of Blighty has just gone up in tatters and she has told MAsher she aint happy over here
Linky?
Linky?
just pulled off another liverpool forum fella
dont shoot the messenger
lickedlollipop
24-04-09, 11:29 AM
Tevez? always! for right price :handshake: he's match-winner.
Exiled_red
24-04-09, 11:40 AM
Do we really want him or is it just Rafa's way of winding up the scum?
kingfunk
24-04-09, 11:45 AM
just pulled off another liverpool forum fella
dont shoot the messenger
No worries Kid, just wanted to see what other Shite was on it.:handshake:
Kenneth
24-04-09, 11:52 AM
Do we really want him or is it just Rafa's way of winding up the scum?
I can see rafa being a fan, certainly.
Redspin
24-04-09, 11:57 AM
Very much looks like he'll be leaving the mancs - he's said so himself.
If the price was right, would you take him?
For the record, i dont think he's worth £30m but will that even be the price? That is what his owner dude would've originally been wanting, but i cant see him getting it. Who would pay £30m for him? City, obviously but that's not going to happen. I doubt anyone will fork out quite as much as that.
I know Shaggy doesnt rate him, but i think he'd be lethal with Torres. He hasnt been amazing in terms of tangible output this season, but i think if he played regularly, he'd score more than enough goals.
Even with his little cameos for the mancs, he's popped up on occasion making the difference between 1 point and 3. I think he'd be a very good option, personally - at the right price.
He's shit, just a headless chicken. Only 3 league goals says it all
Redspin
24-04-09, 12:00 PM
I thought that initially but i dont think we'd know until it happened, and i dont fancy gambling 30 mil to find out. Plus he seems to look like an upgrade version of Kuyt and since he's been earning his place each week i dont think it's vital.
Hardly and upgrade on Kuyt when he's had much less of an impact than Kuyt this season and scored fewer goals. Vastly over-rated and the mancs will be mugs if they pay £30m for him - as they are for paying even more for the useless Berbatov, Ferguson's "new Cantona". Ho Ho
Kenneth
24-04-09, 12:02 PM
He's shit, just a headless chicken. Only 3 league goals says it all
You are very wrong. He is not shit.
kingfunk
24-04-09, 12:05 PM
A manc said to me yesterday, he would rather see Ronaldo go than Tevez, Said he would be gutted if he left.
You are very wrong. He is not shit.
:handshake: He's hardly "shit".
Slinky Skills
24-04-09, 12:15 PM
Hardly and upgrade on Kuyt when he's had much less of an impact than Kuyt this season and scored fewer goals. Vastly over-rated and the mancs will be mugs if they pay £30m for him - as they are for paying even more for the useless Berbatov, Ferguson's "new Cantona". Ho Ho
Ummmm, he's played nowhere near as many games as Kuyt has for starters. Tevez is a fantastic player who does not deserve to be left out of that Utd team especially when you have a lazy tu*d like Berbatov playing ahead of you who also hasn't scored many goals either.
He's obviously not flavour of the month at Utd but you can't bash him for his all round game, he is a good player. He was excellent for them last season.
just pulled off another liverpool forum fella
dont shoot the messenger
Which?
PC Plod
24-04-09, 12:22 PM
Ummmm, he's played nowhere near as many games as Kuyt has for starters. Tevez is a fantastic player who does not deserve to be left out of that Utd team especially when you have a lazy tu*d like Berbatov playing ahead of you who also hasn't scored many goals either.
He's obviously not flavour of the month at Utd but you can't bash him for his all round game, he is a good player. He was excellent for them last season.
Most of the lads here really rate him & think he should be gettign far more game time.
just pulled off another liverpool forum fella
dont shoot the messenger
At the very least, I hope he gave you a bit of a cuddle afterwards.
Neil Young
24-04-09, 01:50 PM
:haha::haha:
Hoist by his own petard.
:haha::haha:
Hoist by his own petard.
Too much time spent behind the arras, I'll warrant.
:haha: :haha: Brilliant :D
Vermilion
24-04-09, 02:00 PM
Does Tevez EVER run with the ball, i have this image of him always swivelling, shielding and passing but never hardly carrying the ball, maybe it's just me, but that's how i see him, of course that's not to say he wouldn't fit nicely into the right side with the right tactics, but for us, i'm not convinced.
Has some nice little touches/skills etc, but in a fast moving fast breaking team i just don't know, maybe that's why he doesn't get so many games for the Scum and also why they are apparently prepared to let him go rather than buy him outright.
Could be doing him a disservice though, as i've not seen nearly enough of him on a steady week to week basis to truly judge him yet, however i do remember wishing we'd sign him when we got Mascher, so maybe it's just the fact he's not played so much that's made me doubt him.
Neil Young
24-04-09, 02:05 PM
Too much time spent behind the arras, I'll warrant.
What's darts got to do with it?
What's darts got to do with it?
Disappointingly, Jim Bowen's career as a Tina Turner tribute act was doomed to failure from the start.
At the very least, I hope he gave you a bit of a cuddle afterwards.
fair play
:haha::respect:
Neil Young
24-04-09, 02:37 PM
Disappointingly, Jim Bowen's career as a Tina Turner tribute act was doomed to failure from the start.
Despite both of them spending a lot of time with bullies.
Despite both of them spending a lot of time with bullies.
:haha: :haha:
Kenneth
24-04-09, 03:58 PM
Despite both of them spending a lot of time with bullies.
:haha: Very good.
Leyton388
24-04-09, 10:57 PM
pulled this from another site
i hadnt heard tbh
a rumour has been building over the past few weeks on merseyside and has now become unavoidable
but basically his missus has had enough of our shite country and shite weather and wants him to up sticks and move
she was allegedly keeping quiet about it as she felt that Rafa would feck off and thus Masher too would leave our club in the turmoil that followed however since Rafa has commited to the club she has realised that her easy way out of Blighty has just gone up in tatters and she has told MAsher she aint happy over here
LOL I think Masher needs to remind his little tart that he earns the bread and if she doesn't like she can fuck off back to argentina. The guy loves it at liverpool.
kingfunk
24-04-09, 11:31 PM
LOL I think Masher needs to remind his little tart that he earns the bread and if she doesn't like she can fuck off back to argentina. The guy loves it at liverpool.
I think if you said that to Mashers face he would fuck you off to the middle of next week with a kicking.:haha:
Leyton388
24-04-09, 11:38 PM
I think if you said that to Mashers face he would fuck you off to the middle of next week with a kicking.:haha:
Just as well i am not then. :haha:
Fuck paying £25m for him. Wouldnt mind getting him on a 2 year loan deal
:handshake:
yup mancs got a good deal out of that
:handshake:
yup mancs got a good deal out of that
Was it not 6 million a year? Not the best of deals if you ask me, but the purchase of Berb really has ruined Tevez this season.
Was it not 6 million a year? Not the best of deals if you ask me, but the purchase of Berb really has ruined Tevez this season.
buying berbatov was pure greed! no club in the county can keep 4 top strikers happy and with rooney and ronaldo playing most games, proper fuck up by slur alex me thinks
Craig_H
25-04-09, 11:02 PM
You are very wrong. He is not shit.
Redspin only doesnt want him because i posted this thread.
Joe King
25-04-09, 11:04 PM
He is a good player - Fergie prefers Berbaslut instead. Ask West Ham fans about him.
Ask yourself, if there was 10 mins to go and needed a goal, who would you want? Tevez or Berbatov?
Darth Marty
25-04-09, 11:09 PM
He is a good player - Fergie prefers Berbaslut instead. Ask West Ham fans about him.
Ask yourself, if there was 10 mins to go and needed a goal, who would you want? Tevez or Berbatov?
umm, berbatov to be fair...neither are torres like goal machines are they?
Joe King
25-04-09, 11:12 PM
umm, berbatov to be fair...neither are torres like goal machines are they?
Whose talking about replacing Torres?
Craig_H
25-04-09, 11:13 PM
Well at least you know Tevez would still be chasing and working his arse off in the last 10 minutes, when you're chasing a goal. Berbatov would probably be by the touchline, applying suntan lotion.
Darth Marty
25-04-09, 11:17 PM
Whose talking about replacing Torres?
what? :sigh:
Im just pointing out that if my team needed a goal in the last ten mins as per your scenario id not be overly happy relying on either of tevez or berbatov. But id pick berbatov out of the 2 of them as he makes things happen.
That said craig is right about tevez working hard and berbatov being a lazy cunt, tough call in effect.
DannyMan2006
26-04-09, 02:20 PM
He is a good player - Fergie prefers Berbaslut instead. Ask West Ham fans about him.
Ask yourself, if there was 10 mins to go and needed a goal, who would you want? Tevez or Berbatov?
Tevez every day of the week.
I wouldn't want Berbatov any where near our club. My Manc mates think the same and want him out the door.
lickedlollipop
26-04-09, 02:22 PM
just imagine: kuyt,tevez and arshavin in our club. xDDD
Kenneth
27-04-09, 04:01 PM
umm, berbatov to be fair...neither are torres like goal machines are they?
Whose talking about replacing Torres?
:haha: :rash:
Well at least you know Tevez would still be chasing and working his arse off in the last 10 minutes, when you're chasing a goal. Berbatov would probably be by the touchline, applying suntan lotion.
Tevez would be in the wrong areas, berba has scored a few in last 10mins......lazy goal hanging bastard, but he knows where to goal hang
Craig_H
27-04-09, 04:39 PM
Tevez would be in the wrong areas, berba has scored a few in last 10mins......lazy goal hanging bastard, but he knows where to goal hang
And Tevez doesnt? Ask Stoke.
To be fair last season Tevez was the one scoring the late goals and certainly game deciding goals and he did the same at West Ham. I'm not sure how much is going stale at United, how much teams finding out and how much is trying to change his game to get more games at United but it seems slightly unfair to criticise him based purely on lack of late goals in only one season.
I sort of agree in that I think Tevez movement is not as difficult to pick up or varied as Berbatov's (although obviously it is more dynamic). In an odd sort of way I think that Tevez shares a problem with Crouch in that he runs a lot but not on the angles that are most dangerous. In the past I think a lot of teams were guilty of not expecting his work rate but now they do his lack of intelligence is slightly exposed.
It would be interesting to see if Rafa could make him operate more rigidly and get more out of his pace and ability of the turn. I do however think it would be too expensive a gamble for us and have a suspicion that he is simply not as good as we all used to think.
Exiled_red
27-04-09, 05:15 PM
I've just been discussing this in another thread, but what is the contract situation with Tevez and the company that owns him? Is it a contract for a fixed period (like he would sign with a club) after which he should be available on a Bosman? Or do they own him for all his career?
squaddie
27-04-09, 05:18 PM
To be fair last season Tevez was the one scoring the late goals and certainly game deciding goals and he did the same at West Ham. I'm not sure how much is going stale at United, how much teams finding out and how much is trying to change his game to get more games at United but it seems slightly unfair to criticise him based purely on lack of late goals in only one season.
I sort of agree in that I think Tevez movement is not as difficult to pick up or varied as Berbatov's (although obviously it is more dynamic). In an odd sort of way I think that Tevez shares a problem with Crouch in that he runs a lot but not on the angles that are most dangerous. In the past I think a lot of teams were guilty of not expecting his work rate but now they do his lack of intelligence is slightly exposed.
It would be interesting to see if Rafa could make him operate more rigidly and get more out of his pace and ability of the turn. I do however think it would be too expensive a gamble for us and have a suspicion that he is simply not as good as we all used to think.
:handshake:
Craig_H
27-04-09, 10:17 PM
To be fair last season Tevez was the one scoring the late goals and certainly game deciding goals and he did the same at West Ham. I'm not sure how much is going stale at United, how much teams finding out and how much is trying to change his game to get more games at United but it seems slightly unfair to criticise him based purely on lack of late goals in only one season.
I sort of agree in that I think Tevez movement is not as difficult to pick up or varied as Berbatov's (although obviously it is more dynamic). In an odd sort of way I think that Tevez shares a problem with Crouch in that he runs a lot but not on the angles that are most dangerous. In the past I think a lot of teams were guilty of not expecting his work rate but now they do his lack of intelligence is slightly exposed.
It would be interesting to see if Rafa could make him operate more rigidly and get more out of his pace and ability of the turn. I do however think it would be too expensive a gamble for us and have a suspicion that he is simply not as good as we all used to think.
Whether you mean to or not, your judgement is obviously influenced by his stint at the mancs, where he has not had a fair run of games. I dont think it's fair to judge him on that, put him in a team where he gets a proper run of regular starts and he'll be very good.
Tevez would be in the wrong areas, berba has scored a few in last 10mins......lazy goal hanging bastard, but he knows where to goal hang
And Tevez doesnt? Ask Stoke.
:D Good idea for a thread.........'who's the biggest goal-hanger in football?' :D
Don't seem to be as many goal-hangers as once there was. Trezeguet? :D
Craig_H
27-04-09, 10:25 PM
I think the removal of the 'interfering with play' angle of the offside rule and the introduction of the 'seeking to gain an advantage' issue has severely damaged the fortunes of the goal-hanger.
I think the removal of the 'interfering with play' angle of the offside rule and the introduction of the 'seeking to gain an advantage' issue has severely damaged the fortunes of the goal-hanger.
Indeed.
We had the most comical goal-hanger at primary school. In the mass 15 v 15 games at lunchtime...he used to stand just in front of the keeper with his hands in his pockets, tapping in every rebound or diverting teammates shots. Then he'd take one hand out of his pocket, raise his arm in salute, and then carry on standing still. Never once touched the ball at any point in any game other than to tap it in. He thought he was shit-hot too :haha:
His name was Steven Matthews.
Robster007
27-04-09, 10:40 PM
Indeed.
We had the most comical goal-hanger at primary school. In the mass 15 v 15 games at lunchtime...he used to stand just in front of the keeper with his hands in his pockets, tapping in every rebound or diverting teammates shots. Then he'd take one hand out of his pocket, raise his arm in salute, and then carry on standing still. Never once touched the ball at any point in any game other than to tap it in. He thought he was shit-hot too :haha:
His name was Steven Matthews.
Fucking good snooker player he turned out to be though. If a bit gay.
Darth Marty
27-04-09, 10:57 PM
Fucking good snooker player he turned out to be though. If a bit gay.
Err, ill bite and say - What the fuck are you on about you daft twat, its Matthew Stevens! :haha:
Rigadon
27-04-09, 11:04 PM
Fucking good snooker player he turned out to be though. If a bit gay.
What does DNA stand for?
National Association of Dyslexics
Whether you mean to or not, your judgement is obviously influenced by his stint at the mancs, where he has not had a fair run of games. I dont think it's fair to judge him on that, put him in a team where he gets a proper run of regular starts and he'll be very good.
Is it that unreasonable to judge him by his performances in the last two years? He seems to have regressed at international level as well. I don't even think he is any thing other than a good player, just that he is one who is likely to be over priced. People rated him as a real superstar when he came over but he looks a notably inferior player to Rooney to me.
1 True Red
28-04-09, 01:46 AM
Is it that unreasonable to judge him by his performances in the last two years? He seems to have regressed at international level as well. I don't even think he is any thing other than a good player, just that he is one who is likely to be over priced. People rated him as a real superstar when he came over but he looks a notably inferior player to Rooney to me.
:handshake:
Craig_H
28-04-09, 01:58 AM
Is it that unreasonable to judge him by his performances in the last two years? He seems to have regressed at international level as well. I don't even think he is any thing other than a good player, just that he is one who is likely to be over priced. People rated him as a real superstar when he came over but he looks a notably inferior player to Rooney to me.
I dont think it gives you a fair picture personally. Strikers especially need a consistent run of games, otherwise they'll simply not perform to their best.
I wouldnt go as far as to say he's a superstar or world class, but i'd certainly not dismiss the notion, simply because i dont think he's had enough of a chance to prove it one way or the other.
I did say in the very first post that i certainly wouldnt pay the £30m that's been discussed. £20m would be different though.
Leyton388
10-05-09, 12:28 AM
TEVEZ SAYS GOODBYE TO UNITED
I don't deserve to be treated this way
AS his Manchester United team-mates danced with joy across the Emirates turf, Carlos Tevez celebrated alongside them.
But behind the smiles was anguish. Because joy for a return to the Champions League final was tempered by a sadness that this was one of the last moments of real pleasure he would share with his United brothers.
It had been coming for months. Frustrated and disappointed at the way he has been treated, Tevez now knows he has to quit.
And in a remarkable Sport of the World interview, the Argentinian pulls no punches, laying bare the facts about his two-year United tenure. His revelations will stun Old Trafford on the morning of today's Manchester derby and with United still chasing an unprecedented quadruple.
Sir Alex Ferguson last week claimed he thinks of his players as part of his own family. But Tevez feels like an outsider. Twice South American Player of the Year, a national hero in Argentina, reduced to a bit-part, an afterthought.
"Me? I have not been treated as a member of the family," he said. "I do not feel wanted. I feel bad over my situation, I do, but it's very, very difficult to stay any longer. I guess what I'm saying is goodbye.
"I don't think I will be a Manchester United player next season. I have done everything I possibly can but they have never made me an offer or given me a contract so I have to leave. I don't think I deserve to be in this position but you realise if your time is up you have to go.
Realistically, my time is over and I think I will be at another club next season. It's very, very difficult to stay any longer, so I have to finish this season the best I can and move on.
"I still have the same hunger and I will give my all to win the last two trophies we are chasing so I can move on knowing I have done everything for the team.
"The fans treat me like family, but United have not signed me so they do not respect me as a footballer.
"It makes me feel good when Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick talk well about me but they are not the manager.I train very hard, play well and then I'm dumped. When I play I feel good, then when I don't I am upset.
"Things have changed dramatically this season. I was dropped - yet I didn't perform badly. Sir Alex never gave me an explanation but I never asked him for one because it is not in my character.
"I accepted it but maybe Sir Alex didn't feel the same way about me. Maybe he didn't have confidence in me any more."
Tevez has become frustrated this season at his lack of appearances. Despite being involved in more games than Rooney or Dimitar Berbatov, he has either started or finished on the bench an astonishing 27 times. He has been an unused substitute on 10 further occasions.
He has also been substituted 12 times in all competitions and has played the full 90 minutes in just 20 games, five of them in the Carling Cup.
He added: "I scored four goals against Blackburn in the Carling Cup but then got dropped for the next game.
"I came on and scored against Porto in the Champions League quarter-final but was dropped for the away leg. I scored two against Fulham and was dropped for the next game.
"Whether I come on and play well or whether I come on the pitch and play just OK, I know I am going to get dropped.It has a negative impact - your mentality is affected and you get demoralised."
Ferguson has had to juggle Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Berbatov and Tevez into just three forward places.
Tevez feels he has been the one who has missed out most. But he refused to be drawn into a slanging match over the £31.75million summer signing of Bulgarian striker Berbatov from Spurs. "It's not about Berbatov," he said. "People keep comparing me to Berbatov but it's not Berbatov's fault. It's just the way I've been treated I'm upset about.
"I played last season and was the second top scorer. We won the Champions League and the Premier League. I helped to achieve that success and then I was dumped for no real reason."
Tevez finished top scorer for his clubs in Argentina and Brazil, for his country at the Olympics and second for United behind Ronaldo last season.
He has still scored 13 goals this term, but explained: "I've started every game in the Carling Cup and some in the FA Cup but only a few in the League
"I'm disappointed not to get more games but it's been the choice of the coach.
"If I run my a*** off, if I score or don't score, I know that after 60 minutes I'm going to be taken off. If I don't start I know I am only going to get 15 or 20 minutes.
"I enjoyed playing with Rooney, Ronaldo and Berbatov. They are all excellent players.
"But this season I can only recall playing with Rooney up top about five times. It's not been like last year, when we played that formation a lot."
Tevez has been a fans' favourite since joining United on a two-year loan deal two years ago.
He hoped Ferguson would agree a deal with Kia Joorabchian to sign him permanently. But discussions have never taken place.
Tevez insisted: "When I played regularly last season I scored. I did everything I could but there was never any attempt to sign me permanently. United did not take up the option at the end of the first year and up until now I've never had any discussions about my contract.
"If ever there was a time to sign me it was at the end of last year but there was no effort to sign me.
"The major concentration was to sign other players and by January there was still nothing. They signed other players but still there was no bid for me.
"United have never offered me any contract. So I guess I have to finish the season the best I can and move on. The fans have been great with me, I love them. And every time I put the shirt on I fight for the club. I have done everything I possibly can at United but circumstances are forcing me to leave.
"I also want to make it very clear that it's not about money. I have read stories claiming I've asked for £6m, £9m and £12m. But I have never asked Sir Alex or David Gill for money.
"When I sign for another club if anyone says 'It was impossible for Carlos to sign for Man United because he was asking for £8m' it is not true."
Tevez also set the record straight about his family. He said: "It's not true my family are unhappy in England. It's not true I want to leave England for Spain. My four-year-old daughter Florencia is learning English and my wife is very happy living in England.
"We want to stay. I want to play in England because it is the best League in the world and it suits my style.
"Any club I join, whether it be Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool or Everton, will be a rival of Manchester United. I would like to thank the United fans for their support. They will always have a special place in my heart.
"If I was a United fan I wouldn't want to see their player in any other shirt but I think they will accept I've done everything I can."
Tevez's economic rights are owned by a group of investors headed by Joorabchian, who said: "There are a lot of Premier League clubs interested in Carlos but it would be unprofessional to start talking to them before the season has ended.
"There are also foreign clubs interested in him but since Carlos' preference is to stay here then that is the first place we have to look.
"We received a formal offer in January from a foreign club for a figure in excess of £40m, although out of respect for United we have not spoken to them yet.
"Carlos' final destination will be made solely on what's best for Carlos and his family."
For Tevez, the realisation that he has to walk out on United is painful. He concluded sadly: "I've given everything for United. I can leave with my head held high.
Looks like he might be playing for us next season :)
Craig_H
10-05-09, 12:32 AM
I would love to see him at Anfield. And if those quotes are accurate, it makes it hard to see him stay there.
I dont know where we'd get the £30m though. He's a top drawer player, who hasnt been utilised well at United. Put him into Riera's position and he'd flourish, as would our team. Even more so.
Just think, the same workrate and effort on the left, as Kuyt gives on the right - but quality ability and goals, added to it.
Yes please.
There's talk and hope of David Villa and/or Eto'o, Aguero etc - but Tevez would add goals and quality, without the need to play 442 to accommodate him.
Leyton388
10-05-09, 12:35 AM
I would love to see him at Anfield. And if those quotes are accurate, it makes it hard to see him stay there.
I dont know where we'd get the £30m though. He's a top drawer player, who hasnt been utilised well at United.
I don't think he would cost £30m now as that was the price united agreed with Kia two years ago. I think a bid of £20m to £22m will do it and rafa has a really good relationship with Kia over the Mash deal and i am sure he would love to play with Mash as well.
He could well be the player we need next season. He wil want to prove whiskey nose wrong next season.
He wont go to arsenal and i dont think the cavs wil want him as they have Drogba and city are a joke.
Craig_H
10-05-09, 12:36 AM
The more i think about it, the more i think he'd be brilliant for us.
This is an opportunity that i wouldnt like to see us miss out on.
He has everything rafa likes in a player. He's PL adjusted and he'd fit in well with Mascher and the Latin contingent.
Leyton388
10-05-09, 12:39 AM
The more i think about it, the more i think he'd be brilliant for us.
This is an opportunity that i wouldnt like to see us miss out on.
He has everything rafa likes in a player. He's PL adjusted and he'd fit in well with Mascher and the Latin contingent.
He is a rafa player as well craig as he works his socks off for the team and knows where the goal is.
I am sure Rafa has already spoke to Kia about a deal and maybe this is the reason Keane went in Jan as tevez does say that the deal with united should have be done last summer and he was still waiting in jan.
So maybe Kia spoke to rafa and thats when he decided to offload keane to free up the funds.
Craig_H
10-05-09, 01:12 AM
And anyone who comes out with shite like "he's a manc, he can fuck off" or "if he isnt good enough for them, he isnt good enough for us" can do one.
I don't think he would cost £30m now as that was the price united agreed with Kia two years ago. I think a bid of £20m to £22m will do it and rafa has a really good relationship with Kia over the Mash deal and i am sure he would love to play with Mash as well.
He could well be the player we need next season. He wil want to prove whiskey nose wrong next season.
He wont go to arsenal and i dont think the cavs wil want him as they have Drogba and city are a joke.
Not sure mate.
If Kia was really offered over £40m for him, as he claims, i cant see why he'd suddenly be ok with only getting £20m for him now.
Depends on competition doesn't it. Utd have effectively already paid £10m towards the 30, so they're in the driving seat. If they don't want him then surely clubs outside the PL will be interested?
All this bullshit sounds like them forcing Utd into a decision though to be honest
Craig_H
10-05-09, 01:25 AM
Depends on competition doesn't it. Utd have effectively already paid £10m towards the 30, so they're in the driving seat. If they don't want him then surely clubs outside the PL will be interested?
All this bullshit sounds like them forcing Utd into a decision though to be honest
Yeah, but what i meant was, if someone was willing to pay over £40m for him not so long ago, why wouldnt they come back again with a similar offer next month?
It seems as though his preference is not to go abroad. In fact, i think he sounds as though he wants to stay in the northwest. I could see Rafa wanting him and if Mascher has a word, Tevez could do a Torres and insist on joining us - and us only.
Could be just words to force United's hand, but he's come out with some quite aggressive comments here - the type that burn bridges IMO.
I wouldnt be surprised if these quotes (if true) leave Tevez completely out of the first team picture for the remainder of the season.
Ferguson isnt one to take kindly to this kind of thing in the media.
Yeah, but what i meant was, if someone was willing to pay over £40m for him not so long ago, why wouldnt they come back again with a similar offer next month?
It seems as though his preference is not to go abroad. In fact, i think he sounds as though he wants to stay in the northwest. I could see Rafa wanting him and if Mascher has a word, Tevez could do a Torres and insist on joining us - and us only.
Could be just words to force United's hand, but he's come out with some quite aggressive comments here - the type that burn bridges IMO.
I wouldnt be surprised if these quotes (if true) leave Tevez completely out of the first team picture for the remainder of the season.
Ferguson isnt one to take kindly to this kind of thing in the media.
Yeah sorry that's kind of what I was implying as well :D
I think you're right this is the sort of stuff that will burn bridges for him at Utd. You would think he would know that before saying it, and he seems pretty resigned to leaving
Was Rafa not on the blower to Tevez's agent the other week? Pretty sure it was in the press somewhere. He's definitely a Rafa player as people have said
I'm still not sure about him though. He hasn't scored enough and I see him as a Utd player so seeing him playing for us would be pretty weird. Same old problem as well..is he good enough/suited to playing on his own should Torres get injured? Is he worth breaking up Torres/Gerrard for? Can he play on the left and still give us balance? He's much more suited to the middle
I'd still much rather keep Nemeth/N'gog/Kuyt as backup and buy a winger or two instead
Leyton388
10-05-09, 01:52 AM
The fact is we need a striker as when torres or gerrard are out we look toothless upfront.
Craig_H
10-05-09, 04:48 AM
We need someone who can play in a different position and still be good - but also who'll easily play up front if needed.
RvP and Tevez are both ideal IMO.
Not sure how realistic either option would be.
Attilladahun
10-05-09, 09:11 AM
Just said on Sky that he is a Liverpool fan -i never knew that:)
Leyton388
10-05-09, 09:48 AM
It is a very interesting Interview
He says Tevez also set the record straight about his family. He said: "It's not true my family are unhappy in England. It's not true I want to leave England for Spain. My four-year-old daughter Florencia is learning English and my wife is very happy living in England.
"We want to stay. I want to play in England because it is the best League in the world and it suits my style.
"Any club I join, whether it be Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool or Everton, will be a rival of Manchester United. I would like to thank the United fans for their support. They will always have a special place in my heart.
"If I was a United fan I wouldn't want to see their player in any other shirt but I think they will accept I've done everything I can.
Which to me says he is staying in England and the bit i have highlighted to me sound's like it could be liverpool he wants to play for.
As for Kia saying £40m he also says at the end of the interview
"Carlos' final destination will be made solely on what's best for Carlos and his family."
which to me could me a spanish club might of offered £40m but he wants to stay in england so. The only club prepared to pay that would be Manchester city and i cannot see him going there and chelsea's days of spending mega money is over.
To me it sounds good for liverpool to strike a deal.
He wants to stay in england
His family are happy here
Mash plays for liverpool
Liverpool are credible title challengers
Chelsea have Drogba and anelka
Fingers crossed.
Just said on Sky that he is a Liverpool fan -i never knew that:)
His armband said he was a red, Tevez Tevez
You;ll never walk alone it said, Tevez, Tevez
..................................... :haha:
I can hear it now :rock:
Just said on Sky that he is a Liverpool fan -i never knew that:)
Aren't they all? Sometimes I wonder. ;)
Darth Marty
10-05-09, 10:20 AM
Id like it if he came here but realistically if hes free to go to another english club city will outbid anyone. Lets just hope Masch stays and they team up here eh.
Must admit if we signed just 2 players and they were rvp and tevez id be made up. ha ha Craig you fecker, look what you have done!
murder_inc
10-05-09, 10:51 AM
I thought he was a united fan whilst growing up?
Never knew he was a red as well
Just imagine....
Reina
Arbeloa Carra Agger Insua
Xabi Monster
Kuyt Stevie Tevez
Torres
Nice Argentine left side there. Very tasty.
kingfunk
10-05-09, 11:37 AM
-----------------Reina
Johnson----Carra----Agger----Insua
----------Xabi------Monster
----Kuyt------Stevie------Tevez
--------------Torres.
Sex Wee!:jizz:
Meanwhile over on redcafe theres major panic, One poster "will not be able to continue" If Tevez signs for Liverpool!!
At the right price he would be a decent addition. I don't believe his value is anywhere near £30m though and only Man City would pay that. I think MSI will just have to accept that his true value is around £15m-£18m
Btw it was always obvious from the start that Man Utd never ever had any intention of paying £30m to make it a permanently deal, surely Kia must have known that even if Tevez didnt
TheElephantMan
10-05-09, 11:51 AM
At the right price he would be a decent addition. I don't believe his value is anywhere near £30m though and only Man City would pay that. I think MSI will just have to accept that his true value is around £15m-£18m
Btw it was always obvious from the start that Man Utd never ever had any intention of paying £30m to make it a permanently deal, surely Kia must have known that even if Tevez didnt
I know the ownership situation of the players is completely different, but surely if Keane was worth £20m then Tevez would be valued significantly higher?
I know the ownership situation of the players is completely different, but surely if Keane was worth £20m then Tevez would be valued significantly higher?
Three league goals this season would suggest otherwise. :D
I know he's not played too much but FFS. Tevez doesn't impress me with his hare-brained headless chicken impersonations. His attitude is fantastic but he has no pace and no guile. Where exactly would he fit in?
I don't think he's particularly good but would obviously be delighted to take him off the Mancs and see them get all upset about it. Although having said that a good number of the match-going Mancs I know up here regularly lament his lack of goal threat.
Tevez wouldn't be for me, and most certainly not at the laughable prices mooted thus far.
DannyMan2006
10-05-09, 12:05 PM
Not sure Tevez would fit into a 4231 on the left. He's not exactly a Rooney type player - who would be ideal........
Can he cross a ball? Does he have the gulie? Can he dribble past players?
More importantly, is he worth £25m? I'm pretty sure we could probably do better at that price. Fantastic player, but is he suited to us.
Leyton388
10-05-09, 12:12 PM
Wonder if he will be in the squad for todays game? Redcafe is funny. The slightest hint that he might go to liverpool and they turn on him like that
"He can fuck off if he goes to liverpool and why has he even mentioned liverpool He should not go to liverpool out of respect for fergie and the fans"
you couldn't make this up!
Wonder if he will be in the squad for todays game? Redcafe is funny. The slightest hint that he might go to liverpool and they turn on him like that
"He can fuck off if he goes to liverpool and why has he even mentioned liverpool He should not go to liverpool out of respect for fergie and the fans"
you couldn't make this up!
:D
I don't really want us to sign him in pure football terms, but I'd love it in this sense. The Mancs have only just got over their last Argentine hero wanting to leave them for us. Now this. :haha::haha::haha::haha:
Kenneth
10-05-09, 12:16 PM
If he really want to stay in England, who would bid against us? Not ure he's 'glam' enough for Chelsea so that would only leave Arsenal, Man City and maybe Villa or Spurs who could makeserious bids.
Leyton388
10-05-09, 12:24 PM
1/ City will bid for every good player this summer in a desperate attempt to be noticed.
2/ Arsenal will never pay that much money for a player due to their managers ego.
3/ Chelsea is a possibility and it depends on what happens to Drogba and anelka.
4/ Everton will be up to their old tricks in Kenwright linking tevez just to please the fans and when he signs for someone else say we were in for him to make it look like they had a chance.
5/ We have Mash here and alot of spanish players and staff to help him settle in and he can stay in the northwest and not uproot his family and rafa has a very good relationship with Kia.
Craig_H
10-05-09, 12:43 PM
His armband said he was a red, Tevez Tevez
You;ll never walk alone it said, Tevez, Tevez
..................................... :haha:
I can hear it now :rock:
His interview said he was a red, Tevez, Tevez
He hates the mancs and wants them dead, Tevez, Tevez
His face is rank, he hates the mancs, he's got loads of cash sat in the bank,
Carlos Tevez, Liverpool's next signing!
DannyMan2006
10-05-09, 01:12 PM
And he starts today.
Craig_H
10-05-09, 01:14 PM
Very surprised by that. Maybe ferguson will actually sign him then. :shake:
kingfunk
10-05-09, 01:27 PM
Well that worked pretty good.
Rafa Justice
10-05-09, 05:42 PM
I think he's more pissed off about his lack of playing time compared to the other 3 forwards at Old Toilet. Don't think a contract offer will change things. Ferguscum won't play £20m for what he sees is a 4th choice striker.
What sort of contract does Tevez have with Kia? Surely he can't own his registration indefinitely? That would go against the Bosman thing? He must have signed a contract that has some sort of timeframe on it?
PC Plod
11-05-09, 10:10 AM
I imagine the £40m would include his wages.
we wont get him imo
and why the fuck is he moaning so much ?
48 game she has started hasnt he :confused:
nah not for me
His interview said he was a red, Tevez, Tevez
He hates the mancs and wants them dead, Tevez, Tevez
His face is rank, he hates the mancs, he's got loads of cash sat in the bank,
Carlos Tevez, Liverpool's next signing!
:haha:
:cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleade r:
Not for me either. I think he is a good striker but in an old fashion sense where he would be great in a two man attack, unfortunately for him the game has moved on and I wouldn't want him and Dirk on either wing as that would offer us zero pace.
IF tevez wants trophies he will come to us, if he is after the money it will be city.
On the fence with Tevez clearly a better player than what he has been at scum this season. but then i really want to see a proper hug the byline winger come in. Would be a good utility player depends on out transfer budget i think and if some of the deadwood can be cleared out ie pennant, vrononin, babel
His interview said he was a red, Tevez, Tevez
He hates the mancs and wants them dead, Tevez, Tevez
His face is rank, he hates the mancs, he's got loads of cash sat in the bank,
Carlos Tevez, Liverpool's next signing!
We got the lad from Old Toilet
He told Fergie to go and jump
Carlos Tevez, Liverpool's No 10
Na Na ...................
:rock:
He will join Arsenal. :source:
We got the lad from Old Toilet
He told Fergie to go and jump
Carlos Tevez, Liverpool's No 10
Na Na ...................
:rock:
:confused::sigh:
Pablo1981
11-05-09, 10:43 AM
No he won't :source:
:confused::sigh:
Your not getting into the spirit of things old boy?
Why so confused then ? :sigh:
Your not getting into the spirit of things old boy?
Why so confused then ? :sigh:
:haha: its just fuckin poor pal sorry :handshake:
:haha: its just ****in poor pal sorry :handshake:
:haha:
I eagerly await your contribution to the song.
At lease Graig had a go :crackoff:
All he is, is an uglier version of Dirky boy, but our man works harder and scores more goals and is a better all round good egg.
All he is, is an uglier version of Dirky boy,
You're going to give him a big head with flattery like that :haha:
speaking of songs, somebody needs to create one for Masc to the tune of Desperado. I can hear it now
M M M Mascheranoooo
maverick
11-05-09, 11:40 AM
1/ City will bid for every good player this summer in a desperate attempt to be noticed.
2/ Arsenal will never pay that much money for a player due to their managers ego.
3/ Chelsea is a possibility and it depends on what happens to Drogba and anelka.
4/ Everton will be up to their old tricks in Kenwright linking tevez just to please the fans and when he signs for someone else say we were in for him to make it look like they had a chance.
5/ We have Mash here and alot of spanish players and staff to help him settle in and he can stay in the northwest and not uproot his family and rafa has a very good relationship with Kia.
And then they'll go and sign Alan Smith :haha::haha:
I don't think we are going to sign Tevez as a winger. If he comes it will IMO most likely look something like this.
...............Reina
Arbeloa.Carra.Agger.Aurelio
.........Masch...Barry
Gerrard....Teves.....Silva
..............Torres
now that I would be ok with.
I don't think we are going to sign Tevez as a winger. If he comes it will IMO most likely look something like this.
...............Reina
Arbeloa.Carra.Agger.Aurelio
.........Masch...Barry
Gerrard....Teves.....Silva
..............Torres
now that I would be ok with.
:jizz: goals all over that team!!!
the rev leeroy brown
11-05-09, 03:14 PM
I don't think we are going to sign Tevez as a winger. If he comes it will IMO most likely look something like this.
...............Reina
Arbeloa.Carra.Agger.Aurelio
.........Masch...Barry
Gerrard....Teves.....Silva
..............Torres
now that I would be ok with.
i'd be reluctant to split the gerard - torres partnership. i'd prefer to stick tevez out wide on the right.
oh aye, and get that cunt barry out of the team altogether. alonso all the way!!!
Dr Evil
11-05-09, 03:30 PM
His interview said he was a red, Tevez, Tevez
He hates the mancs and wants them dead, Tevez, Tevez
His face is rank, he hates the mancs, he's got loads of cash sat in the bank,
Carlos Tevez, Liverpool's next signing!
He's wanted to join since he was young..Tevez Tevez
The Kops the place to hear his name sung..Tevez Tevez
He knew it was time to leave the Scum when he saw Rio's face covered in Fergies Cum....Carlos Tevez Liverpools number 10
i'd be reluctant to split the gerard - torres partnership. i'd prefer to stick tevez out wide on the right.
oh aye, and get that cunt barry out of the team altogether. alonso all the way!!!
The way Kuyt is allowed to play that position means that Gerrard would have a lot of freedom to link up with Torres. And IMHO Tevez is more waisted on the right then Gerrard, simply because Gerrard is pretty awesome there.
Also I´m afraid we would have to sell Alonso, and get Barry, for a 10m profit to get Silva in.
I don't think we are going to sign Tevez as a winger. If he comes it will IMO most likely look something like this.
...............Reina
Arbeloa.Carra.Agger.Aurelio
.........Masch...Barry
Gerrard....Teves.....Silva
..............Torres
now that I would be ok with.
Why would you dismantle the most potent attack in the Premier league?
The only part of our attack that needs improving is the left, we need similar figures from there as the right side.
Tatterdemalion
11-05-09, 10:38 PM
Got me thinking this - Fergie said he had the money to buy him not so long ago, now he ain't buying him and he also says he won't be making any major purchases in the summer - Are the Glazers fucked?
Why would you dismantle the most potent attack in the Premier league?
The only part of our attack that needs improving is the left, we need similar figures from there as the right side.
This was just in case we buy Tevez. I think the team would be stronger with Gerrard on the right then Tevez out of position. Of course I would prefer that we could buy winger of the same class as Torres but they don't seem to be around much.
Not sure if I'd want Lou Ferrigno in my team.
Why would you dismantle the most potent attack in the Premier league?
The only part of our attack that needs improving is the left, we need similar figures from there as the right side.
:handshake:
Sticking my neck out here but Tevez wouldn't be an improvement on Kuyt
For me he Dirk is a human dynamo who is versatile enough and good enough to play anywhere for the team, maybe not a superstar aka Gerrard & Torres but a very good player, If he was to be replaced it would surely have to be by a better player than Tevez
Tevez is a good player but no better than Kuyt.
From my understanding, there is genuine interest in Tevez and Pranjic which leads me to believe Rafa wants Tevez to play as a left attacker with Pranjic as a wing-back.
From my understanding, there is genuine interest in Tevez and Pranjic which leads me to believe Rafa wants Tevez to play as a left attacker with Pranjic as a wing-back.
Can't see how that formation makes any sense myself.
'Wing backs' implies three centre backs and I can't see Rafa changing the whole system and even if he did that would mean the left and right attacking positions (Riera and Kuyt) would be occupied by the wing backs and we'd have a more orthadox front two.
Sticking my neck out here but Tevez wouldn't be an improvement on Kuyt
For me he Dirk is a human dynamo who is versatile enough and good enough to play anywhere for the team, maybe not a superstar aka Gerrard & Torres but a very good player, If he was to be replaced it would surely have to be by a better player than Tevez
Tevez is a good player but no better than Kuyt.
Would you prefer this
Kuyt......Gerrard......Silva
.............Torres
to this?
Gerrard....Teves.....Silva
..............Torres
I don't think either that he should be seen as a replacement for Kuyt. It is just going to mean more competition for him. I would not be surprised if we saw Gerrard more on the right next season.
Why would you dismantle the most potent attack in the Premier league?
The only part of our attack that needs improving is the left, we need similar figures from there as the right side.
I don´t see it as dismantling the attack putting Gerrard on the right. If we get someone like Tevez, or let´s say Aguero, and they play behind Torres and Gerrard on the right, I see it more as adding to the best attack in the league. Our system is 4-2-3-1 so there is no reason IMHO that Gerrard can´t be just as much a part of our attack as he has been. Linking up with Torres from that right position is not gonna be that difficult.
Pablo1981
12-05-09, 10:49 AM
From my understanding, there is genuine interest in Tevez and Pranjic which leads me to believe Rafa wants Tevez to play as a left attacker with Pranjic as a wing-back.
Interesting. I havent seen much of that Pranjic but from the clips he didnt look at all defensive.
So you have heard whispers we really are trying to make a move for Tevez then?
I would have thought Rafa is more likely to be thinking of having a bigger coterie of attacking players from whom to select an attacking quartet for each game.
Considering that Rafa bought Dossena explicitly a wingback at his former club and had no intention of playing him as such would indicate that his plan is not to do that with a more attacking player.
Kenneth
12-05-09, 11:27 AM
I would have thought Rafa is more likely to be thinking of having a bigger coterie of attacking players from whom to select an attacking quartet for each game.
Considering that Rafa bought Dossena explicitly a wingback at his former club and had no intention of playing him as such would indicate that his plan is not to do that with a more attacking player.
Perfumed ponce.
Craig_H
12-05-09, 11:50 AM
Sticking my neck out here but Tevez wouldn't be an improvement on Kuyt
For me he Dirk is a human dynamo who is versatile enough and good enough to play anywhere for the team, maybe not a superstar aka Gerrard & Torres but a very good player, If he was to be replaced it would surely have to be by a better player than Tevez
Tevez is a good player but no better than Kuyt.
Disagree massively.
Kuyt is playing every week and currently playing as well as he can, IMO.
Tevez isnt getting games and his form is wayward right now, as a result.
Craig_H
12-05-09, 11:53 AM
I don´t see it as dismantling the attack putting Gerrard on the right. If we get someone like Tevez, or let´s say Aguero, and they play behind Torres and Gerrard on the right, I see it more as adding to the best attack in the league. Our system is 4-2-3-1 so there is no reason IMHO that Gerrard can´t be just as much a part of our attack as he has been. Linking up with Torres from that right position is not gonna be that difficult.
:handshake:
If you play 4-2-3-1 and the front four are all world class, it wouldnt matter.
For example, if you had something like:
Ronaldo............Gerrard.............Rooney
.......................Torres
You could interchange the three behind Torres and they'd still be lethal whichever way you arrange them.
Can't see how that formation makes any sense myself.
'Wing backs' implies three centre backs and I can't see Rafa changing the whole system and even if he did that would mean the left and right attacking positions (Riera and Kuyt) would be occupied by the wing backs and we'd have a more orthadox front two.
Sorry, not strictly a wing-back, more of a attacking full-back.
Interesting. I havent seen much of that Pranjic but from the clips he didnt look at all defensive.
So you have heard whispers we really are trying to make a move for Tevez then?
Rafa has definately been talking to that Kia Jorab-fella about Tevez.
Scratch
12-05-09, 12:18 PM
Heh, according to the rumours at Liverpool Ladies under 15 training, the Tevez deal is done...altho how much the "soccer mums" really know is up for debate.
bobbyfallon
12-05-09, 12:49 PM
Heh, according to the rumours at Liverpool Ladies under 15 training, the Tevez deal is done...altho how much the "soccer mums" really know is up for debate.
pervert :shake:
Heh, according to the rumours at Liverpool Ladies under 15 training, the Tevez deal is done...altho how much the "soccer mums" really know is up for debate.
were u stood on the bin next to dunk?
Scratch
12-05-09, 12:57 PM
pervert :shake:
were u stood on the bin next to dunk?
:)
My mate's daughter plays for them, sso she goes and stands on the sidelines at watches, and it's just a rumour she overheard and passed on to me....the under-15's do nothing for me...but the mother...yummy!!!
barnes10
12-05-09, 01:24 PM
I think its this:
Kuyt......Gerrard......Tevez
.............Torres
with overlapping fullbacks. tevez and kuyt are very similar players. if they are supported very well by overlapping full backs then we have a great forward line.
i think tevez would be better than silva - even out left.
I just can't make my mind up. I really rate Tevez, but I'm just not sure for some reason and for £30 million notes too, hmmmmm. I just don't know, but then again that's why Rafa's the boss and I'm only a good footy manager on er footy manager :)
I think its this:
Kuyt......Gerrard......Tevez
.............Torres
with overlapping fullbacks. tevez and kuyt are very similar players. if they are supported very well by overlapping full backs then we have a great forward line.
i think tevez would be better than silva - even out left.
That would be quality, Tevez has the best ball retention in the league, you just can't get the ball off him, he can hold it up for the overlapping Aurelio/Insua. With a good attacking signing at Right-Fullback, to compliment Kuyt's intelligence and work ethic, we would be very strong.
I dont know if i want us to sign him or not. Can't make my mind up.
Think he'll end up at Man City anyway.
City will outbid us, so it'll have to Tevez that pushes for the move... I just can't see it happening, although he would be a great signing.
:handshake:
If you play 4-2-3-1 and the front four are all world class, it wouldnt matter.
For example, if you had something like:
Ronaldo............Gerrard.............Rooney
.......................Torres
You could interchange the three behind Torres and they'd still be lethal whichever way you arrange them.
:handshake:
it´s not like we are playing with traditional wingers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_T%C3%A9vez
You forget barring this season how good a player tevez really is/was
Redspin
12-05-09, 04:27 PM
Disagree massively.
Kuyt is playing every week and currently playing as well as he can, IMO.
Tevez isnt getting games and his form is wayward right now, as a result.
In fact rather than not "getting games" Tevez has featured in 27 of Man U's 35 league matches this season and also in 17 cup matches in various competitions, not counting the so-called world club championship. So 44 appearances so far is hardly "not getting games".
Perhaps a lot of the time he's hauled off because he's been ineffective in a match or comes off the bench because he's not deemed by Ferguson to have been playing well enough to merit starting.
So maybe his generally ineffective performances over the season show that his form has been "wayward" all along as opposed to just "right now".
Kuyt rarely plays badly, always works as hard as anyone on the pitch, scores more goals than Tevez and is very much a big game player. I'd have Kuyt in Liverpool's team ahead of a low-scoring, headless chicken like Tevez any day of the week. There's just no comparison between the two players.
Redspin
12-05-09, 04:32 PM
I dont know if i want us to sign him or not. Can't make my mind up.
Think he'll end up at Man City anyway.
Let's hope so. He fits their profile - big name, big reputation, big fee, but basically a bit of a scuffler who, if he were at Anfield, would be getting splinters in his arse like he does a lot of the time at Man U.
Thank God clubs like City exist
Craig_H
12-05-09, 04:32 PM
In fact rather than not "getting games" Tevez has featured in 27 of Man U's 35 league matches this season and also in 17 cup matches in various competitions, not counting the so-called world club championship. So 44 appearances so far is hardly "not getting games".
Perhaps a lot of the time he's hauled off because he's been ineffective in a match or comes off the bench because he's not deemed by Ferguson to have been playing well enough to merit starting.
So maybe his generally ineffective performances over the season show that his form has been "wayward" all along as opposed to just "right now".
Kuyt rarely plays badly, always works as hard as anyone on the pitch, scores more goals than Tevez and is very much a big game player. I'd have Kuyt in Liverpool's team ahead of a low-scoring, headless chicken like Tevez any day of the week. There's just no comparison between the two players.
Perhaps i should've specified.
Tevez has had to make do with dribs and drabs, sub appearances here and there, and rarely getting a run of 5-10 starts, unlike Kuyt, who basically plays all the time.
Playing for 20 mins here, 10 mins there, missing out the following week, then getting 20 mins again, isnt really condusive to a striker fulfilling his potential.
I'd suggest that having paid £32m for Berbatov and not yet signed Tevez, Ferguson has been keen to give his big money signing every opportunity to prove worthwhile, at the expense of Tevez, who he can easily let go without recriminations that are attached to a £32m flop, which Berbatov is in danger of turning into.
You're absolutely right when you say there's no comparison to be made. Perhaps it speaks volumes that Tevez will most probably be bought by someone for around £20m-£30m whilst Kuyt would probably bring back the £10m we spent on him, and not a great deal more.
Redspin
12-05-09, 05:00 PM
Perhaps i should've specified.
Tevez has had to make do with dribs and drabs, sub appearances here and there, and rarely getting a run of 5-10 starts, unlike Kuyt, who basically plays all the time.
Playing for 20 mins here, 10 mins there, missing out the following week, then getting 20 mins again, isnt really condusive to a striker fulfilling his potential.
I'd suggest that having paid £32m for Berbatov and not yet signed Tevez, Ferguson has been keen to give his big money signing every opportunity to prove worthwhile, at the expense of Tevez, who he can easily let go without recriminations that are attached to a £32m flop, which Berbatov is in danger of turning into.
You're absolutely right when you say there's no comparison to be made. Perhaps it speaks volumes that Tevez will most probably be bought by someone for around £20m-£30m whilst Kuyt would probably bring back the £10m we spent on him, and not a great deal more.
I think it speaks volumes that you seem to see 4-goal Tevez as a striker.
Man U aren't stupid enough to pay the outstanding £26m balance on Tevez, having paid £6m for his loan period, but you're probably right in that someone like City would stump up more than £20m for Tevez.
I recall Liverpool turning down a bid of £12m or so for Kuyt from Hamburg at the start of the season, so that would tend to disprove your rampant anti-Kuyt position. Given that he's had a cracking season since then for us and scored 11 league goals so far from a wide right position, I would be very surprised if Liverpool didn't make a handsome profit on him if we were to sell him.
But it's a notable fact that as soon as Benitez signed his contract he moved to extend Kuyt's contract as almost his first act, later describing him as a fantastic player, the kind of player all top teams need. That tells me that Kuyt is one of the first names Rafa puts onto the teamsheet, so is going nowhere
We just don't need an over-priced, over-rated, low-scoring bench-warmer like Tevez. Far from being a true striker he's only got more than 10 league goals on four occasions in the 9 seasons he's been playing top flight football and only once has he got more than 20 when he got 21 in one season for Corinthians in Brazil; but that was way, way ahead of his usual goal-scoring contribution. But maybe, as you have pointed out, he wasn't getting enough games at any of his previous clubs so fell into his old habit of waywardness and there's really a world-class striker just itching to get out. Let's hope City give us a chance to see it next season
Redspin
12-05-09, 05:07 PM
Rafa has definately been talking to that Kia Jorab-fella about Tevez.
As you're the person who informed us with certainty on Tuesday 21 April that there would be a big announcement about ownership the next day, or possibly on the Thursday, you'll forgive me if I take your latest expose with just a hint of cynicism
JohnDoe
12-05-09, 05:08 PM
If we have the chance, we should go for him. Tevez is class and has the mentality of a Rafa type player.
Craig_H
12-05-09, 05:19 PM
I think it speaks volumes that you seem to see 4-goal Tevez as a striker.
I have no idea what that means, or what i should see him as. He's clearly not a defender, keeper, or midfielder.
Man U aren't stupid enough to pay the outstanding £26m balance on Tevez, having paid £6m for his loan period, but you're probably right in that someone like City would stump up more than £20m for Tevez.
I'm not sure it's about stupidity, otherwise they wouldnt have paid £40m for Nani and Anderson. Possibly more to do with their interest payments and debt.
I recall Liverpool turning down a bid of £12m or so for Kuyt from Hamburg at the start of the season, so that would tend to disprove your rampant anti-Kuyt position. Given that he's had a cracking season since then for us and scored 11 league goals so far from a wide right position, I would be very surprised if Liverpool didn't make a handsome profit on him if we were to sell him.
I dont recall the club confirming any Hamburg bid, i think it was newspaper speculation, so i'd ask how you actually know if any bid was really made.
Kuyt's been excellent this season, by his own standards. If Rooney scored 14 goals in all competitions this season, i think he'd consider it an average return.
Kuyt has his limits, but brings other things to the table and for a player without any pace, average strength, decent but not clinical finishing and a questionable first touch, he's done well.
I've been a major fan of Kuyt this year and praised him a lot - what's this 'anti kuyt' position you refer to?
But it's a notable fact that as soon as Benitez signed his contract he moved to extend Kuyt's contract as almost his first act, later describing him as a fantastic player, the kind of player all top teams need. That tells me that Kuyt is one of the first names Rafa puts onto the teamsheet, so is going nowhere
I never suggested Kuyt was on his way out.
We just don't need an over-priced, over-rated, low-scoring bench-warmer like Tevez. Far from being a true striker he's only got more than 10 league goals on four occasions in the 9 seasons he's been playing top flight football and only once has he got more than 20 when he got 21 in one season for Corinthians in Brazil; but that was way, way ahead of his usual goal-scoring contribution. But maybe, as you have pointed out, he wasn't getting enough games at any of his previous clubs so fell into his old habit of waywardness and there's really a world-class striker just itching to get out. Let's hope City give us a chance to see it next season
Over priced, only if you know exactly what he'll cost. Maybe the value of crucial late winners could offset the price. Bit like the Stoke goal he scored. Or like the superb goal that killed off City. He's a bit like Crouch in that sense - play him regularly and he scores.
As for his previous 8 seasons, perhaps it's unfair to judge a player on what happened years ago, especially when he's improved a great deal and what happened years ago has zero significance on the here and now.
After all, before Torres joined us, he'd only ever hit 20 goals in a season once out of seven seasons. And we all know how well he's done.
Craig_H
12-05-09, 05:19 PM
As you're the person who informed us with certainty on Tuesday 21 April that there would be a big announcement about ownership the next day, or possibly on the Thursday, you'll forgive me if I take your latest expose with just a hint of cynicism
He's also the guy who informed us one afternoon, that Rafa had sealed a new 5 year contract. Later that evening, the story broke via LFC.tv and the mainstream media.
JohnDoe
12-05-09, 05:26 PM
Sticking my neck out here but Tevez wouldn't be an improvement on Kuyt
I don't understand this statement, because we can have both in the same team.
kingfunk
12-05-09, 05:47 PM
Adrian Mutu?
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Former Chelsea striker Adrian Mutu will return to the Premier League with Liverpool, if reports are to be believed.
Rafa Benitez is known to be looking for a strike partner for Fernando Torres this summer and Mutu may be his man.
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The Romania international was sacked from Stamford Bridge after failing a drug's test in 2004.
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He has rebuilt his career in Italy, however, first with Juventus and now with Fiorentina.
He is a regular in the Romania national team and scored from the penalty spot in a Euro 2008 group game with Italy.
Boca Juniors
11 1
32 11
23 12
9 2
Total 75 26
Corinthians
24 10
29 21
Total 53 31
West Ham United
29 7
Total 29 7
Manchester United
48 19
48 14
Total 96 - 32
Total Statistics 253 goals and 96 goals for what else Tevez brings to a team i think he is a cracking buy at around 20million
Surely apart from at West Ham those stats say he is a 1 in 3 striker - basically a Bellamy/Defoe/Keane type strike rate. He is a good player - I'm not convinced by the argument that he has proved himself the huge upgrade on the likes of Kuyt that people make out. We could put both in the same team but that says more for Kuyts versatility/successful change into a wide right player than to what Tevez would bring from a tactical point of view.
Darth Marty
12-05-09, 06:19 PM
Reading through this thread the post im more inclined to agree with and hope comes to pass is, oddly, Craigs, I love the idea of having Torres supported by a threesome of Gerrard, Kuyt & Tevez, fuck me thats attacking and workaholicky (new word for the day) and again id prefer Tevez to Silva too. Have to say though I simply cannot see Tevez either being allowed or wanting to play for us, I reckon Old whisky face would rather splash the cash on him to own him outright then sell him in january to anyone out of the Prem.
Craig_H
12-05-09, 06:23 PM
Why wouldnt he be allowed to play for us though?
Fergie's not signing him because he doesnt have the funds to allocate to it. He does want to keep him.
If they sell Ronaldo, they'll probably keep Tevez and sign Ribery too.
Surely apart from at West Ham those stats say he is a 1 in 3 striker - basically a Bellamy/Defoe/Keane type strike rate. He is a good player - I'm not convinced by the argument that he has proved himself the huge upgrade on the likes of Kuyt that people make out. We could put both in the same team but that says more for Kuyts versatility/successful change into a wide right player than to what Tevez would bring from a tactical point of view.
If we had someone who could score 1 in 3 on the left and right of Gerrard with Torres up front i would be made up!
Agent Adrian Ruocco confirmed Tevez is attracting interest from Italy and Spain, plus clubs from within the Premier League.
Tevez has scored crucial goals for United this season but said at the weekend that he expects to leave the club at the end of his two-year loan deal.
The 25-year-old claimed he had not been treated as "one of the family" at Old Trafford.
Ruocco told Argentinian newspaper Ole: "He might move to Spain, Italy or stay in England. There are interested clubs from all those countries.
"He already said he would like to stay in the Premier League because he likes football in the country, so he fortunately will decide where he will play. He is lucky to have the chance to choose."
Ruocco has been surprised that United have not moved to sign Tevez permanently.
Ruocco said: "There was no will from the directors and the coach (Sir Alex Ferguson) to sign a new contract.
"On May 31, he will have no club and no contract. I don't know why, but Manchester (United) have not asked for any renewal (of the loan) nor signing him for next season."
He added: "The directors and the coach do not seem to want him, while on the other hand fans love him."
Tevez's adviser Kia Joorabchian stressed the striker would not rush into a decision over his future before the season ends.
Although a permanent move to United remains a possibility, Joorabchian is aware of interest in the former West Ham frontman.
Joorabchian says any club seriously considering a move for Tevez would have to prove their ambition.
"There's a lot of interest in Carlos, but Carlos has always been very focused and very concentrated," Joorabchian told Sky Sports News.
"For the respect of the team, the manager, the club, and the fans, we have to stay focused on finishing the season on a high.
"This is how he's always been. He wants to do the best he can.
"He will let the season finish and then sit down and evaluate the situation."
Joorabchian indicated Tevez would "move on and think about his own future" if there is no movement by United to sign him permanently, with a move to another English club a desirable option.
"What he wants to do is to go to a club which has real ambition, a real focus, to be champions of England, champions of Europe, champions of everywhere," Joorabchian said. "Obviously leaving United he would have to go to a rival in order to achieve that target.
"But he understands it's not in his control.
"I don't want to direct, saying it's going to be Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Tottenham - whoever you can pick out - Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus.
"The key is that at the present moment Carlos is a United player and he's focused on being a United player for the rest of the season
interesting he choose to mention us first :)
Craig_H
12-05-09, 07:56 PM
This is the kind of signing that can help take us up to the top level.
It's crucial that we dont dither, and dont muddle about trying to knock off a million here or there, potentially sacrificing any potential deal - and that's whether it's Tevez, Silva or whoever. The point is, we need to do these deals and take the plunge. It's the only way.
If we had someone who could score 1 in 3 on the left and right of Gerrard with Torres up front i would be made up!
But he only scored that when he was up front is it not reasonable to assume that he would score less in a less naturally goal scoring position (and one he hasn't been used to playing)?
I am genuinely unsure whether we could add Tevez to the team without compromising what we have. It is possible that he might come in and be what we all hoped Keane would be but I think the fact that the balance and width that Riera has given us has been as important as it has been should caution us against the idea that we can have such a naturally narrow attacking quartet.
Craig_H
12-05-09, 07:57 PM
But he only scored that when he was up front is it not reasonable to assume that he would score less in a less naturally goal scoring position (and one he hasn't been used to playing)?
I am genuinely unsure whether we could add Tevez to the team without compromising what we have. It is possible that he might come in and be what we all hoped Keane would be but I think the fact that the balance and width that Riera has given us has been as important as it has been should caution us against the idea that we can have such a naturally narrow attacking quartet.
It's also reasonable to assume that he'd have more chance of scoring goals if he was a first team regular.
His work rate, desire and actually ability make this simple IMO.
I simply think that you add Tevez to our team and you either reduce the impact of the highly efficient central Gerrard - Torres axis or become more narrow. To compensate Tevez would have to be much more effective than he has been for United.
With less well reputed players people would be asking whether we would be improved by putting a United squad player into our first eleven. There is a reason that he is a squad player at United IMO. he doesn't play regular football because he isn't as good as their other players. If he played in a position which naturally augmented the players currently in the first XI I think this isn't necessarily an issue as it is obvious that Ronaldo and Rooney are individually better than Kuyt and Riera say. As it is I think there is a real danger of disrupting what makes the team good now.
Craig_H
12-05-09, 08:08 PM
I simply think that you add Tevez to our team and you either reduce the impact of the highly efficient central Gerrard - Torres axis or become more narrow. To compensate Tevez would have to be much more effective than he has been for United.
With less well reputed players people would be asking whether we would be improved by putting a United squad player into our first eleven. There is a reason that he is a squad player at United IMO. he doesn't play regular football because he isn't as good as their other players. If he played in a position which naturally augmented the players currently in the first XI I think this isn't necessarily an issue as it is obvious that Ronaldo and Rooney are individually better than Kuyt and Riera say. As it is I think there is a real danger of disrupting what makes the team good now.
Or it might also be influenced by the fact that Ferguson doesnt want to see Berbatov, who he sanctioned a £32m outlay on, flop.
Assassin
12-05-09, 08:14 PM
It's also reasonable to assume that he'd have more chance of scoring goals if he was a first team regular.
His work rate, desire and actually ability make this simple IMO.
IMO if we sign him Rafa needs to stop him sleeping so close the the fridge. He needs to lose a few kilo's.
I simply think that you add Tevez to our team and you either reduce the impact of the highly efficient central Gerrard - Torres axis or become more narrow. To compensate Tevez would have to be much more effective than he has been for United.
With less well reputed players people would be asking whether we would be improved by putting a United squad player into our first eleven. There is a reason that he is a squad player at United IMO. he doesn't play regular football because he isn't as good as their other players. If he played in a position which naturally augmented the players currently in the first XI I think this isn't necessarily an issue as it is obvious that Ronaldo and Rooney are individually better than Kuyt and Riera say. As it is I think there is a real danger of disrupting what makes the team good now.
there are a lot of reasons but think you will agree that they looked far more potent last year attacking with Tevez?
look at Masher, did he make him any less of a player because he couldnt get in the west ham team?
Crouch was/is a great player but not the sort we needed to partner torres.
Anelka or drogba on the bench when chelsea go one up front.
sure there are plenty more examples i cant think fo now but you get my point!!
Just read in a norwegian paper that the Scum are going to try out the ownerships thing with Tevez. They`re trying to get the ownership by Kia called illegal, and get Tevez for free. Even if they don`t want him it would be a great move by them, as the could then sell for £20M.
there are a lot of reasons but think you will agree that they looked far more potent last year attacking with Tevez?
look at Masher, did he make him any less of a player because he couldnt get in the west ham team?
Crouch was/is a great player but not the sort we needed to partner torres.
Anelka or drogba on the bench when chelsea go one up front.
sure there are plenty more examples i cant think fo now but you get my point!!
The thing is that he isn't happy being the one on the bench at United so i fail to see why he would accept it here. I can see the point about United last year but at the same time the position most analogous to what we want him for is the one supporting the main striker and he is not deemed good enough to play that regularly. Part of my point is almost exactly what you say about Crouch except that the point now is that I don't think Tevez complements the Torres-Gerrard partnership. The point about him at United isn't really that he isn't good enough to put in the team but that he isn't good enough to alter the way you play to accommodate him and I think exactly the same is true of us.
To my mind he is effectively the executive version of Keane and like Keane I think his addition to the team reduces our current assets in a way that is unlikely to be compensated by their personal contribution.
If Torres was out for most of next season then Tevez would no doubt show himself to be a very good forward. I would happily be proved wrong by him coming and adding another dimension to our team but I fear he would end up as much a second choice as he is at United.
Still can't make my mind up on this one. If I'm honest I think I'd be happier if we ended up signing say Silva and Kuba, and then perhaps someone like Sturridge as understudy for Torres. That to me would be some great business in regards to our attacking line up.
Still can't make my mind up on this one. If I'm honest I think I'd be happier if we ended up signing say Silva and Kuba, and then perhaps someone like Sturridge as understudy for Torres. That to me would be some great business in regards to our attacking line up.
While I'm not sure Sturridge is the answer I do think the basic point that a versatile attacking player (preferably with pace) and a striker willing to wait for his chance from the bench is my preferred option. Nemeth's injury this season was a real shame as there is potential that he and Ngog between them could provide the second with no new expenditure necessary.
Red_Polo
13-05-09, 09:20 AM
Just read in a norwegian paper that the Scum are going to try out the ownerships thing with Tevez. They`re trying to get the ownership by Kia called illegal, and get Tevez for free. Even if they don`t want him it would be a great move by them, as the could then sell for £20M.
He'd have to sign for them on a freebie first though. Not sure he would given his comments.
cannotmakeit
13-05-09, 09:27 AM
Carlos Tevez protest 'was against the press, not Sir Alex Ferguson'• Tevez's gesture hit wrong target
• Would not betray fans by joining Liverpool
Buzz up! Digg it Daniel Taylor guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 12 May 2009 20.51 BST Article history
Carlos Tevez's celebration after scoring against Man City sparked controversy. Photograph: John Peters/Man Utd via Getty Images
Carlos Tevez's advisers have criticised Manchester United's treatment of the Argentinian but insisted that he was not embarking on a one-man protest against the club's hierarchy during Sunday's defeat of Manchester City.
Tevez ran in front of the dug-out after scoring United's second goal before positioning himself in front of the South Stand at Old Trafford and looking up to where the chief executive, David Gill, and his fellow directors were seated. He then cupped his ears in what was perceived to be a calculated show of displeasure about the way United have prevaricated about turning his two-year loan arrangement into a £32m long-term deal.
Sir Alex Ferguson later had to contend with Cristiano *Ronaldo reacting petulantly to being substituted but Tevez explained to him that he simply ran to the wrong part of the ground and was actually responding to a newspaper article last week that questioned whether he was worth the projected transfer fee.
"He wasn't [protesting about United]," said Kia Joorabchian, the man responsible for finding Tevez a new club. "Before the game he said: 'Someone told me there was an article in the newspaper about me last week' and I said, 'Yes, there was and they were saying you were not a prolific goal*scorer.' So he said: 'I want to know where the pressbox is because I want to go and show them my ears if they wrote that."
Tevez had gone public with his grievances at the weekend in a carefully orchestrated interview with the News of the World in which he accused United of not treating him like "one of the family" and said he had no option but to leave.
"He pretty much feels that there is a very big chance that his time [United] has come to an end," said Joorabchian. "He has loved his time there. The glory and the time he has had at Manchester United have been special to him but he also *realises they have not offered him a contract or wanted to sign him up and that means he has to move on."
A host of Europe's top clubs, led by Internazionale, have already expressed an interest, but Tevez is open-minded about staying in England, with Manchester City one possibility. Sources close to Tevez have said that his "tribal" nature makes him reluctant to consider a move to Liverpool but he does not believe joining City would be considered such an act of betrayal by the United fans who have repeatedly implored Ferguson to "sign him up".
The Liverpool manager Rafael Benítez's need to find a striker to complement Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard have encouraged reports of a move for Tevez. Benítez, however, has declined the chance to sign Tevez in the past and is known to harbour reservations over both his price-tag and temperament.
Adrian Ruocco, another of the player's representatives, told the Argentinian newspaper Ole: "There has been no will from the [United] directors and the coach [for Tevez] to sign a new contract so, on 31 May, he will have no club and no contract. I don't know why. The directors and the coach do not seem to want him while, on the other hand, the fans love him.
"He might move to Spain, Italy or stay in England. There are interested clubs from all those countries. He has already said he would like to stay in the Premier League because he likes football in the country."
In the meantime, Joorabchian insisted that his client would not allow the uncertainty to have a negative impact on his performances. "There's a lot of interest in Carlos but he has always been focused on finishing this season on a high. He will make sure he is at the highest level when picked. He will let the season finish and then sit down and evaluate the situation. He wants to go to a club that has a real ambition and focus.
"I don't want to say it's going to be Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Tottenham – whoever you can pick out – Milan, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus. The key is that at the present moment Carlos is a United player and he's focused on being a United player for the rest of the season."
Err right you play for Man U and its wrong to go to Liverpool but alright to join Man City!?!?!?! I guess the massive wages at city helps!
He'd have to sign for them on a freebie first though. Not sure he would given his comments.
Good point, unless they want his registration given to them. But they could give him a good sign-on fee since they saved more than £20M.
From the Guardian (http://redirectingat.com/?id=347X549&url=http%3A//www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/13/liverpool-transfer-david-silva-valencia):
Benítez's requirements have encouraged reports of an end-of-season move for Carlos Tevez, the Argentina striker whose frustration with life at Manchester United is well known. The Spaniard, however, has declined the chance to sign Tevez on several occasions in the past and is known to harbour reservations over both his price-tag and temperament.
From the Guardian (http://redirectingat.com/?id=347X549&url=http%3A//www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/13/liverpool-transfer-david-silva-valencia):
Benítez's requirements have encouraged reports of an end-of-season move for Carlos Tevez, the Argentina striker whose frustration with life at Manchester United is well known. The Spaniard, however, has declined the chance to sign Tevez on several occasions in the past and is known to harbour reservations over both his price-tag and temperament.
:rock:
Have to say that Tevez has behaved pretty well on and off the pitch since he came to England - I can't think of any problems off hand. Sure he is in the press now but given the uncertainty of his future that is no surprise.
His price tag on the other hand is a more realistic reason why Rafa will look elsewhere.
Manchester United striker Carlos Tevez could make a dramatic switch to rivals Manchester City after his agent Kia Joorabchian revealed the Argentine striker would join a club not in the Champions League.
However, United are looking to see if there are any loopholes in Tevez's contract that will allow them to sign the 25-year-old for free.
Former Manchester United captain Steve Bruce, who is now manager of Wigan, has warned Tevez that he would be mad to leave Old Trafford, with Liverpool also keen on the former West Ham forward.
All from Beeb gossip column.
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