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Howard_lfc
11-10-06, 01:15 PM
Has said he doesn't want his next fight (after Saturday's mis-match against Bika) to be in the USA.
How the fuck can he expect to be taken seriously when he's refusing to go to the other side of the pond? I know he's the champ and all that but if you really want to make it big in boxing then you MUST go to the states?
He's always giving it the big I am, and now he only want's to fight in Cardiff. If he's got so much ability and self-belief then he should get his welsh arris over to the USA and fight one of their top dogs in their own back yard. Maybe - just maybe - he'll then get the recognition that he keeps telling us he deserves.
I'm disappointed in him.
H
Seems a very strange decision. Professional suicide, no?
Hollowman
11-10-06, 01:30 PM
He's never travelled. And after the demolition of Lacy, and the fact that Europe has better super mids than America, I don't see why people shouldn't travel to fight him.
paulcooper4
11-10-06, 02:15 PM
Calzaghe is fuckin brilliant. Hes better than all the yank fighters put together and its nice for once to have a fighter with the status to be able to demand that they come to us for a change. Best british fighter ive seen, and theres been some fuckin gooduns. Henry Cooper, Nigel Benn, Ricky Hatton etc.
Calzaghe for me outshines them all and absolutely shits all over anything the yanks have to offer
spud_gun
11-10-06, 02:26 PM
IMO he can do whatever the fk he wants. He's been champion for 9 {?} years. He's undefeated. He's got the right to fight whoever and wherever he wants
:handshake:
Red_Polo
11-10-06, 02:32 PM
I know next to fuck all about boxing but Calzaghe is a top fella outside the ring, very down to earth and as far removed from the 'big I am' as you can get.
Ring Magazine Top 10 lb-for-lb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Magazine_pound_for_pound)
Howard_lfc
11-10-06, 05:16 PM
Calzaghe is fuckin brilliant. Hes better than all the yank fighters put together and its nice for once to have a fighter with the status to be able to demand that they come to us for a change. Best british fighter ive seen, and theres been some fuckin gooduns. Henry Cooper, Nigel Benn, Ricky Hatton etc.
Calzaghe for me outshines them all and absolutely shits all over anything the yanks have to offer
I agree he's brilliant - well he was against Lacy anyway. Totally superb.
What I can't understand is his reluctance to go to the states:handshake: If he want's to go down as one of the greats then I feel he must go over there. I know he's been world champ for 9 years but with the exception of Eubank and Lacy - who has he really fought?? The career defining fight he's always craved hasn't really materialised (Lacy excepted?) and now his refusal to travel is putting yet more blocks on the path to his career defining fight. IMO he's coming to the end of his career so he should be taking every opportunity open to him to achieve his goals.
You mention Benn and Hatton Coops - both of these went over to the states - Calzaghe should do the same or he'll be remembered as a great fighter who never really fullfilled his dream/potential.
paulcooper4
11-10-06, 05:51 PM
I agree he's brilliant - well he was against Lacy anyway. Totally superb.
What I can't understand is his reluctance to go to the states:handshake: If he want's to go down as one of the greats then I feel he must go over there. I know he's been world champ for 9 years but with the exception of Eubank and Lacy - who has he really fought?? The career defining fight he's always craved hasn't really materialised (Lacy excepted?) and now his refusal to travel is putting yet more blocks on the path to his career defining fight. IMO he's coming to the end of his career so he should be taking every opportunity open to him to achieve his goals.
You mention Benn and Hatton Coops - both of these went over to the states - Calzaghe should do the same or he'll be remembered as a great fighter who never really fullfilled his dream/potential.
I can see what your saying mate, I just dont agree. What you are saying about him not going over to the states only enhances him in my eyes. Make them fuckers come over here for a change. I wish lewis had of done it also, and ricky should do the same. If these yank fucks want to get twatted by the best then they can get off there arse and fly over here for the honour. HE is the champ remeember. And he has fought everyone who has stuck around to fight him. Ive lost count of the number of fighters down the years that have moved weight just so joe couldnt knock twelve kinds of shit out of them:handshake:
bazza76
11-10-06, 07:07 PM
Has said he doesn't want his next fight (after Saturday's mis-match against Bika) to be in the USA.
How the fuck can he expect to be taken seriously when he's refusing to go to the other side of the pond? I know he's the champ and all that but if you really want to make it big in boxing then you MUST go to the states?
He's always giving it the big I am, and now he only want's to fight in Cardiff. If he's got so much ability and self-belief then he should get his welsh arris over to the USA and fight one of their top dogs in their own back yard. Maybe - just maybe - he'll then get the recognition that he keeps telling us he deserves.
I'm disappointed in him.
H
I agree Howard.
If he wants to remembered as a true great then he has to go to the states, all the big fights are over there and the big pay days, he will be remembered in Britain as a great fighter but not world wide. That is ofcourse until he goes to the states and proves his worth.
I really can't understand it myself. Hatton could have taken the easy road and decided to fight every fight in Manchester, but wanted to prove himself as one of the greats, that is what you have to do these days.
Jaco_Pastorious
11-10-06, 07:32 PM
I don't see why he should have to go to the States. All the best fighters in his weight class are in Europe, not in America. If he was a challenger then he would need to travel to wherever the next highest contender was, but the guy is the best at his weight class and those who want to go after his belt, should dance to his tune with regards to where the fights take place.
Howard_lfc
11-10-06, 09:44 PM
I don't see why he should have to go to the States. All the best fighters in his weight class are in Europe, not in America. If he was a challenger then he would need to travel to wherever the next highest contender was, but the guy is the best at his weight class and those who want to go after his belt, should dance to his tune with regards to where the fights take place.
Why be big in Wales when you can be big all over the world?
After all - Tom Jones didn't say "Ahh fuck it boyo, I'm the best. If these people wanna hear me sing - they can get off their fat arses and get over to Abergaveny Town Hall like the rest of my fans. Isn't it."
Think of any great world champion - and I'll be you a pound to a bucket of shit he plied his trade in the states. But not Joe - he's happy to box at home - where he's comfortable - against some bloke called Bika who 99% of the boxing world has never heard of. If he's happy with that then fine - but don't let him kid us when he retires that he was ever 'great' - because it won't wash mate. Think of the calibre of fighters Benn fought and then compare to Calzaghe's. Calzaghe might even be a better fighter than Benn ever was - but Benn was a great fighter coz he would fight anybody, anywhere. Unlike joe - who'll fight anybody, so long as it's at home.
paulcooper4
11-10-06, 09:50 PM
so youre not a calzaghe fan then?
Howard_lfc
11-10-06, 09:59 PM
so youre not a calzaghe fan then?
He's missed too many fights for me. Too many good fights have slipped by the wayside (Roy Jones, Steve Collins, Glencoffe Johnson) and he's fought too many fella's that I've never heard of.
Having said that - the performance against Lacy was monumental - and I just can't understand why he wouldn't want to follow it up against a really top fighter rather than somebody who's already lost to Beyer (who Calzaghe would beat with ease).
For me - he's beaten some good fighters and the odd very good fighter. Has he ever fought a great fighter? I don't think so.
kurtangle01
11-10-06, 10:09 PM
I think he's right to stay in this country and I don't see why he should have to travel to the states. He's the linear Champ at the weight and people should have to chase him. If he ended up fighting the winner of Beyer and Kessler for all 4 Super-midd titles at the MEN would you complain? I wouldn't!
bazza76
11-10-06, 10:33 PM
I think he's right to stay in this country and I don't see why he should have to travel to the states. He's the linear Champ at the weight and people should have to chase him. If he ended up fighting the winner of Beyer and Kessler for all 4 Super-midd titles at the MEN would you complain? I wouldn't!
People probably wouldnt complain Kurt, and if he did achieve that, then nice one.
But he should atleast represent himself over in the states.
Look at Hatton, There is someone who is not afraid to travel despite having argueably a more passionate following than Calzaghe. He wants to conquer the boxing world. there is more money to be made fighting in America through pay per view etc.
Just looking through the division, there isnt really as many world class names as other divisions. This Bika chap isnt even in the top 10.
kurtangle01
11-10-06, 11:10 PM
People probably wouldnt complain Kurt, and if he did achieve that, then nice one.
But he should atleast represent himself over in the states.
Look at Hatton, There is someone who is not afraid to travel despite having argueably a more passionate following than Calzaghe. He wants to conquer the boxing world. there is more money to be made fighting in America through pay per view etc.
Just looking through the division, there isnt really as many world class names as other divisions. This Bika chap isnt even in the top 10.
The division isn't littered with star names but there are alot of good fighters in it. I would love to see Calzaghe win on Saturday then face the winner of this weekend other Super-Middleweight title fight. If he could face the winner of that and unify all 4 major titles as well as holding the IBO title on top of that I don't see what he has to prove.
There is obviously a lot of notoriety to be gained by fighting in the states but I don't think it's essential for a fighters legacy that he fights in America. We should be grateful that he's choosing to stay in this country where we can attend his fights or at least watch them at a reasonable hour on T.V.
Hatton will do well in the states but part of that reason is because all the top names in his division are established there where as alot of the top fighters in the Super-Middleweight division are based in Europe.
Hollowman
12-10-06, 12:36 AM
I'm with Kurt. And you know how that makes me mad.
Calzaghe has nothing to prove. If Americans don't rate him because he never pitched up in their yard to fight some nobody, then fine. The biggest fight out there for him, in terms of quality opposition, is the winner of Kessler-Beyer. The Yanks have nobody. Allen Green? Joe Spina? Please. They're just transatlantic Carl Frochs.
The only way Calzaghe gets a big American fight is if he steps up to fight Johnson or Jones, both of whom are heading downhill, or Taylor steps up (too late in Winky's career to start fucking with Super Mids I think). If Taylor steps up, then that's a fight I'd like to see.
By the way, Winky-Quartey? Fuck's that about? This compensation after the Forrest debacle?
bazza76
13-10-06, 12:05 PM
Well considering there isnt much world class ability in the weight division, then he will get away with not fighting in the states.
If there was however, I think it would be rather soft of him to stay at home all the time.
Personally I like to see world class boxers being able to travel and beat other fighters in their won backyard, not always fighting at home with their supporters behind them.
Jaco_Pastorious
13-10-06, 01:15 PM
Well considering there isnt much world class ability in the weight division, then he will get away with not fighting in the states.
If there was however, I think it would be rather soft of him to stay at home all the time.
Personally I like to see world class boxers being able to travel and beat other fighters in their won backyard, not always fighting at home with their supporters behind them.
Yes there is not a lot of genuine worldclass talent in the division, but those that are world class or close to it are all either from or based in Europe, so why would he need to go to the States when the top fighters are in Europe. The Super middleweights in the States are nowhere near the class of Europe, so other than media exposure, there is no great gain to fighting over there, it is not as though he needs American approval to be considered the best at his weight, which he is.
Roy Jones is a classic example of a fighter not willing to travel and beat other fighters in their own backyard, he fought a huge number of fights in his home state of Florida and a large amount of them were in his hometown of Pensacola. Jones is another who did not have a "great" fight to rubberstamp his greatness, but that is the fault of the quality in the division, much as it is the same now for Calzaghe.
Hollowman
13-10-06, 03:22 PM
Jones had some great fights at 160/168. The scraps with Hopkins and Toney would surely count as career definers for anyone else.
Howard_lfc
13-10-06, 03:33 PM
Well considering there isnt much world class ability in the weight division, then he will get away with not fighting in the states.
If there was however, I think it would be rather soft of him to stay at home all the time.
Personally I like to see world class boxers being able to travel and beat other fighters in their won backyard, not always fighting at home with their supporters behind them.
Dont fuckin' waver bazza! :D
Chicken Joe should be taking his skills to the world - not restricting them to those (un)fortunate enough to be in the Cardiff region.
Will I be supporting Chicken Joe tomorrow night? too right ! :D
Jaco_Pastorious
13-10-06, 04:03 PM
Jones had some great fights at 160/168. The scraps with Hopkins and Toney would surely count as career definers for anyone else.
The Hopkins fight was a dour affair by anyones standards, both were more concerned with not losing than going for the win.
Beating James Toney was a great result, especially given Lights out's standing at the time, and the fact that Toney was a trim fighting machine back then, before he discovered how much he liked hamburgers. But that was not a career defining fight for Jones as a champ though, but it is not his fault that his skill and reflexes were so far ahead of those he chose to fight once he was champ.
But it could be argued that the Lacy, Eubank and Gimenez (who was well respected at the time) were defining fights for Calzaghe.
My point was that Jones is regarded as a great, and rightly so IMO, but he is as guilty as Calzaghe as being the type of Champ that does not travel and gets the challenger to come to him, again rightly so IMHO.
Looking forward to the Calzaghe fight tomorrow night as I'm a big fan of his.
This decision to stay over here isn't ureasonable, in my opinion, but I DO think that one fight over in the States will finally give him that recognition he deserves - provided he fights a 'big name' rather than any Joe Bloggs from over there.
Saying that though, what gets me is how all the supposed 'names' in the 'boxing game' all believe that you can't really 'make it' until you win a big fight over there in the States. To me that's total bollox! Yes, a lot of the really big fights have taken place over there over the years but some have taken place over here in Europe too, don't forget! This idea that you MUST go over there to get 'recognised' is a load of old cobblers in my opinion, and on most occasions isn't it reasonable to have the challenger go into the 'lion's den' and face the champion instead of the other way around?! Joe's the real champ in his division so I don't see any reason why he can't expect the challengers to his belts come and fight him rather than the other way around!
Anyway, as has been said, the better fighters in his division are based in Europe these days so I don't see why Joe has to go over there to get the glory! If he steps up then yes, maybe, he needs to go over there and get a really big fight with one of the Americans, but as long as he stays in this division I don't see why he NEEDS to go over there.
There's also the need for Joe to fight the main contenders for his belts, meaning the mandatory challengers, so sometimes that, along with his well-known troubles with his hands, have come in the way of that really big fight he (and us) crave. What I don't like in the press sometimes is how they try to make out that Joe is the one ducking the big fights over recent years, for one reason or another - what people must remember is that on occasions it's the potential opponent that's to blame for the reason a fight doesn't happen due to them demanding a huge purse to fight Joe.
I hope he wins this weekend and finally gets that 'big fight' he deserves, whether it's here or in the States.
bazza76
13-10-06, 04:53 PM
Dont fuckin' waver bazza! :D
Chicken Joe should be taking his skills to the world - not restricting them to those (un)fortunate enough to be in the Cardiff region.
Will I be supporting Chicken Joe tomorrow night? too right ! :D
:haha:
Well it was getting hard to arge that he should be going to the states to fighters that he would probably make less money on, than fighting at home where he is a bigger pull.
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 06:50 PM
Chicken Joe should be taking his skills to the world - not restricting them to those (un)fortunate enough to be in the Cardiff region.
He's fighting in Manchester tomorrow and last time I checked that city is nowhere near Cardiff!:crackoff: :handshake:
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 06:56 PM
Well considering there isnt much world class ability in the weight division, then he will get away with not fighting in the states.
If there was however, I think it would be rather soft of him to stay at home all the time.
Personally I like to see world class boxers being able to travel and beat other fighters in their won backyard, not always fighting at home with their supporters behind them.
What's to say he wouldn't travel to the states if there was world class fighters in his division over there?
As it stands unless Bernard Hopkins decides to fight Joe then the biggest fight for Calzaghe is whoever wins between Markus Beyer and Mikel Kessler this weekend. I don't see the need for That fight, if it ever happens, to take place across the pond.
And when you consider that the Calzaghe fight is on HBO tomorrow night what's to say he isn't getting the exposure?
bazza76
13-10-06, 07:54 PM
What's to say he wouldn't travel to the states if there was world class fighters in his division over there?
As it stands unless Bernard Hopkins decides to fight Joe then the biggest fight for Calzaghe is whoever wins between Markus Beyer and Mikel Kessler this weekend. I don't see the need for That fight, if it ever happens, to take place across the pond.
And when you consider that the Calzaghe fight is on HBO tomorrow night what's to say he isn't getting the exposure?
I see your point, but i wouldnt really call it big exposure. Nothing like getting top billing at a big Las Vegas event to grab the attention.
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 08:06 PM
I see your point, but i wouldnt really call it big exposure. Nothing like getting top billing at a big Las Vegas event to grab the attention.
The only person I could see him fighting in Vegas would be Jermaine Taylor but I couldn't see Taylor relinquishing his titles to move up and fight Calzaghe.
Being on HBO after dark, which is the broadcast he is on, is huge exposure. It's the most watched boxing show in America. His fight is obviously on a tape delay because it's the main fight that HBO are showing on Saturday.
bazza76
13-10-06, 08:39 PM
The only person I could see him fighting in Vegas would be Jermaine Taylor but I couldn't see Taylor relinquishing his titles to move up and fight Calzaghe.
Being on HBO after dark, which is the broadcast he is on, is huge exposure. It's the most watched boxing show in America. His fight is obviously on a tape delay because it's the main fight that HBO are showing on Saturday.
:handshake:
but i'm still not backing down :rock:
paulcooper4
13-10-06, 08:42 PM
:handshake:
but i'm still not backing down :rock:
You will if joe gets hold of yer:rant: :crackoff:
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 08:45 PM
:handshake:
but i'm still not backing down :rock:
:handshake:
bazza76
13-10-06, 08:45 PM
You will if joe gets hold of yer:rant: :crackoff:
that over-rated pussy :whatever:
If only i was 100 times fitter and a few stone heavier id kick his ass.
paulcooper4
13-10-06, 08:46 PM
that over-rated pussy :whatever:
If only i was 100 times fitter and a few stone heavier id kick his ass.
hes boiling down now to meet you at pissflap weight:source: :crackoff:
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 08:48 PM
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/
Click the link bazza. That's what I call exposure!;):D
bazza76
13-10-06, 08:48 PM
hes boiling down now to meet you at pissflap weight:source: :crackoff:
:haha:
by the time he gets down to middleweight, i'll kick his ass :D
bazza76
13-10-06, 08:50 PM
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/
Click the link bazza. That's what I call exposure!;)
He best put on a good show then.
He might get the big pay day he craves
bazza76
13-10-06, 08:51 PM
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/
Click the link bazza. That's what I call exposure!;):D
Ok ill conceed, i didnt now how much exposure he was getting in the states, and neither did you until you looked it up just then :haha:
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 08:53 PM
He best put on a good show then.
He might get the big pay day he craves
Did you look at the site? HBO are bringing their full team here. Why go to the yanks if they'll come to him?:D
He always puts on a good show and I don't think he needs the payday!:D
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 08:54 PM
Ok ill conceed, i didnt now how much exposure he was getting in the states, and neither did you until you looked it up just then :haha:
I look at that site once a week!:source: :D
bazza76
13-10-06, 08:57 PM
I look at that site once a week!:source: :D
:haha: yeah yeah.
Cant say i look at hbo site, i do look at fightnews.com and the official sites for UFC and Pride though.
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 09:00 PM
:haha: yeah yeah.
Cant say i look at hbo site, i do look at fightnews.com and the official sites for UFC and Pride though.
:haha:
HBO is a good site but for some reason you can't look at showtimes website unless you live i the states!:miffed:
bazza76
13-10-06, 09:05 PM
:haha:
HBO is a good site but for some reason you can't look at showtimes website unless you live i the states!:miffed:
yeah, that fairly sucks.
Much prefer the "lets get ready to rumble" anyway :handshake:
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 09:09 PM
yeah, that fairly sucks.
Much prefer the "lets get ready to rumble" anyway :handshake:
Michael Buffer is a LEGEND!:D :handshake:
Howard_lfc
13-10-06, 09:21 PM
I look at that site once a week!:source: :D
The best exposure you can get is on prime time tv on HBO (or similar) and topping the bill in Vegas or NY. Not on the HBO website Kurt. The average boxing punter - and man in the street knows boxers from off the telly - not off web sites. Nice try though Kurt. :crackoff:
Toppin' the bill in the MEN and Millenium Stadium doesn't quite have the aura and history of Madison Square Garden; or even the Mandalay Bay for that matter. A fighter of Calzaghe's ability and standing in the world deserves to fight at hallowed venues such as these yet unfortunately Joe doesn't have the inclination (or the will) sample nights such as those.
Ahh well his loss. He'll be remembered for it.
Has said he doesn't want his next fight (after Saturday's mis-match against Bika) to be in the USA.
How the fuck can he expect to be taken seriously when he's refusing to go to the other side of the pond? I know he's the champ and all that but if you really want to make it big in boxing then you MUST go to the states?
He's always giving it the big I am, and now he only want's to fight in Cardiff. If he's got so much ability and self-belief then he should get his welsh arris over to the USA and fight one of their top dogs in their own back yard. Maybe - just maybe - he'll then get the recognition that he keeps telling us he deserves.
I'm disappointed in him.
H i don't think calzaghe as ever got the recognition he deserves in this country and maybe its a backlash from that lack of recognition that he as made is decisions, the man so badly wanted to fight Roy Jones jnr who i think kept dodging him the story was no more than a whimper in the press, if it had been Benn or eubank that wanted a similar fight the press and the British people would have started a crusade to make the fight happen, why the man is unfashionable i don't know maybe he fights without gimmicks and hype i don't know,i would personally put him up for sportsman of the year, maybe if he swims the channel after the fight he might get it.
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 11:17 PM
The best exposure you can get is on prime time tv on HBO (or similar) and topping the bill in Vegas or NY. Not on the HBO website Kurt. The average boxing punter - and man in the street knows boxers from off the telly - not off web sites. Nice try though Kurt. :crackoff:
Toppin' the bill in the MEN and Millenium Stadium doesn't quite have the aura and history of Madison Square Garden; or even the Mandalay Bay for that matter. A fighter of Calzaghe's ability and standing in the world deserves to fight at hallowed venues such as these yet unfortunately Joe doesn't have the inclination (or the will) sample nights such as those.
Ahh well his loss. He'll be remembered for it.
I'm not sure you read the site properly, Les! The Calzaghe fight is topping the bill on HBO after dark Tomorrow night which is the most watched boxing show in the states!:crackoff:
kurtangle01
13-10-06, 11:20 PM
http://www.hbo.com/boxing/
Here's the HBO preview for the fight.
HBO SPORTS CROSSES THE POND FOR LATE-NIGHT ACTION
Now in its tenth season, HBO's hit late-night boxing series heads overseas for HBO BOXING AFTER DARK: JOE CALZAGHE VS. SAKIO BIKA, to be seen SATURDAY, OCT. 14 at 11:00 PM (ET/PT) from the M.E.N. Arena in Manchester, England on HBO. The BOXING AFTER DARK team will be ringside for the event, which will be presented in Spanish language on HBO Latino.
HBO2 playdates: Oct. 15 (10:00 AM, 4:45 PM) and 17 (11:00 PM). Times are ET/PT.
In his first HBO appearance, undefeated super middleweight title holder Joe Calzaghe (41-0, 31 KOs) from Newbridge, Wales takes on Sakio Bika (20-1-2, 13 KOs) from Sydney, Australia in a scheduled 12-round bout. Calzaghe, who has been electrifying sold-out arenas in England, is coming off a dominating victory over previously undefeated champ Jeff Lacy and is seeking to further extend his domination in the division. Bika, whose previous title fight ended in a technical draw, due to a cut from an accidental head butt, looks to establish himself as the division champ. He's traveling half the globe to challenge Calzaghe on his home turf.
That's exposure in the U.S.A if you ask me!
As I said before, why go to the states if they'll come to him? They're obviously impressed with him because there's a few other fights they could ave shown on Saturday.
:nicetrylessmiley::D
Hollowman
14-10-06, 12:16 AM
This whole thing about Vegas and NY being the Meccas of boxing is bullshit. The crowds in Vegas are no bigger than Hatton or Calzaghe bring in at home, and in Germany they get fucking ridiculous gates. Calzaghe-Kessler (assuming he wins) will obviously be better over here - they'll get a huge European crowd (where the big money is for the fighters) and HBO will still carry the fight.
Howard_lfc
14-10-06, 08:57 PM
I'm not sure you read the site properly, Les! The Calzaghe fight is topping the bill on HBO after dark Tomorrow night which is the most watched boxing show in the states!:crackoff:
You're right - I didn't read it.:o
Anyway - the way I feel at the moment after that pile of shite today - I'd give calzaghe a good fight meself !!!!:rant:
Question: If Calzaghe lost tonight and then retired with hand injuries - do you think he'd look back and think he'd acheived all he could have?
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 09:50 PM
You're right - I didn't read it.:o
Anyway - the way I feel at the moment after that pile of shite today - I'd give calzaghe a good fight meself !!!!:rant:
Question: If Calzaghe lost tonight and then retired with hand injuries - do you think he'd look back and think he'd acheived all he could have?
Possibly not...He has achieved a hell of a lot though.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 09:55 PM
Michael Buffer and all the HBO team are here. LLLLLLETSSSSSSS GET READY TO RRRRRRRUMBLE!!!!!:rock:
Graybach
14-10-06, 09:59 PM
Didn't expect his fight to be first on the bill! Thought we'd have to wait till about 11pm for his fight.
C'mon Joe!!
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:19 PM
Nasty cut above Calzaghe's left eye. It came from a clash of heads.
spud_gun
14-10-06, 10:22 PM
Calzaghie is getting roughed up. By illegal means or not he really should not have allowed himself to get into such a fight with this fella.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:23 PM
It's getting a bit nasty in there:rock:
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:23 PM
Calzaghie is getting roughed up. By illegal means or not he really should not have allowed himself to get into such a fight with this fella.
He's been dragged in to a brawl which, as you say, he shouldn't be doing.
spud_gun
14-10-06, 10:24 PM
It's getting a bit nasty in there:rock:
:handshake:
Sure is.
Bika is a dirty fighter.
spud_gun
14-10-06, 10:25 PM
If Joe had a game plan at the start of this fight it weent out the window as soon as the bell went.
He's well ahead on points though. He's won 5 or 6 of the rounds so far.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:27 PM
If Joe had a game plan at the start of this fight it weent out the window as soon as the bell went.
He's well ahead on points though. He's won 5 or 6 of the rounds so far.
He's also won one round 10-8 due to the points deduction on Bika. I hope that the fight isn't stopped due to the cut abouve Joe's eye.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:31 PM
It's turning into a tough night fr Joe. Ths guy Bika is one dirty bastard.
spud_gun
14-10-06, 10:34 PM
It's turning into a tough niight fr Joe. Ths guy Bika is one dirty bastard.
Aye but if Joe had done his home work he'd have known that this fella was a bit tasty with his head. His last fight was stopped due to a nasty cut he inflicted on his opponent via a headbutt.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:39 PM
Aye but if Joe had done his home work he'd have known that this fella was a bit tasty with his head. His last fight was stopped due to a nasty cut he inflicted on his opponent via a headbutt.
Yeah I know but Joe obviously never done his homework that well because he's been caught by the head...
Joe is also starting to look tired.
Yeah I know but Joe obviously never done his homework that well because he's been caught by the head...
Joe is also starting to look tired.
Calzaghe could get done here.
spud_gun
14-10-06, 10:43 PM
Calzaghe could get done here.
Bika will need a knockdown to win this.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:43 PM
Calzaghe could get done here.
It's been a hell of a lot tougher than I think anyone thought it would be but he has let himself be dragged into a brawl.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:46 PM
He's a crude fighter this Bika fella.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:47 PM
Last round. Bika needs a K.O.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:51 PM
Cracking fight. Joe Calzaghe is a cut above this guy but you would't known that tonight.
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 10:54 PM
117-110X2 116-111. Unanimous on the scorecards
kurtangle01
14-10-06, 11:00 PM
Mikell Kessler is now WBA,WBC Siper-Middleweight Campion. I hope he and Calzaghe fight.:rock:
Cracking fight. Joe Calzaghe is a cut above this guy but you would't known that tonight.
Undoubtedly he is a different class, but he seemed a bit overconfident and was almost caught out a few times.
spud_gun
14-10-06, 11:10 PM
Undoubtedly he is a different class, but he seemed a bit overconfident and was almost caught out a few times.
He admitted as much in his post fight chat with ITV.
He admitted as much in his post fight chat with ITV.
Did he ? I turned off straight afterwards, can't stand the Welsh accent:D
spud_gun
14-10-06, 11:24 PM
There is another thread about the fight tonight in the General Sports section.
:handshake:
Good on iTV for having the nuts to show the obxing on prime time Saturday night telly.
spud_gun
14-10-06, 11:25 PM
Did he ? I turned off straight afterwards, can't stand the Welsh accent:D
:D
Merged! Another win for the Welsh person. (I didn't know they made good fighters.... ;))
bazza76
14-10-06, 11:32 PM
crap missed the fight, checked on Sky sports didnt see it on the listing and assumed it wasnt on :o
kurtangle01
15-10-06, 12:18 AM
crap missed the fight, checked on Sky sports didnt see it on the listing and assumed it wasnt on :o
You FOOL!:crackoff:
Hollowman
15-10-06, 12:22 AM
That wasn't Joe's fault. Someone told him he was fighting Steve Biko, so he did the training for that shit.
Kessler reset the German proper. Him and Joe will be nice.
bazza76
15-10-06, 12:59 AM
You FOOL!:crackoff:
:haha: thanks Kurt :crackoff:
paulcooper4
15-10-06, 01:11 AM
what a fuckin hiding derry mathews dished out. Foster looked like hed been twatted by 10 men with knuckledusters on
paulcooper4
15-10-06, 01:13 AM
Macarinelli fight was a let down as i was really looking forward to that. The 1st one in march was fuckin brilliant. Some dig enzo`s got though
The only way Calzaghe gets a big American fight is if he steps up to fight Johnson or Jones, both of whom are heading downhill, or Taylor steps up (too late in Winky's career to start fucking with Super Mids I think). If Taylor steps up, then that's a fight I'd like to see.
I don't think Calzaghe/Warren would even contemplate that at this stage of this prize winning horse's career. Massive gamble this late on, and i don't personally believe Calzaghe has it in him to step up a division.
Anyway, good fight tonight! We've all no doubt heard his reasoning for the poor performance, and fair dos he was evidently under prepared. However, there's no doubt he was playing Prince big bollox (ok fair enough with his pro record why not) for the HBO cameras, but he could've easily got caught short by a quicker hand.
Here's to a much more orthodox display in his next bout. Can't be doing with this showboating at all, certainly was never like that when i was in the ring.
paulcooper4
15-10-06, 01:15 AM
Joe will knock fuck out of whoever chose bika as his opponent i reckon. What a awkward horrible fucker to fight against. Won by a mile whilst having a off night, hes the best fighter in the world imo
Howard_lfc
15-10-06, 10:23 AM
crap missed the fight, checked on Sky sports didnt see it on the listing and assumed it wasnt on :o
Funnily enough bazza - I had me laptop on around 9:30 ish and saw you were logged on. I tried to send you a pm to say don't forget about the boxing - but you've got your pm facility turned off.:o
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That was more like a pub fight
bazza76
15-10-06, 04:10 PM
Funnily enough bazza - I had me laptop on around 9:30 ish and saw you were logged on. I tried to send you a pm to say don't forget about the boxing - but you've got your pm facility turned off.:o
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Thanks for the thought Howard. :handshake:
Didnt even know i had it turned off, unless I need to empty my einobx.
bazza76
15-10-06, 04:10 PM
That was more like a pub fight
Kaip and rocket with a few too many beers?
Joe Calzaghe is ready to fight Bernard Hopkins in America following his brutal world title clash with Sakio Bika.
He made his 19th super middleweight defence against the Cameroonian in Manchester and is now one short of Hopkins' 20 defences at middleweight.
"People think I'm a home boy, but I'll fight Bernard Hopkins in his own garden," the Welshman said.
"Hopkins is the sort of fighter I'd get up for. I need those big name fights to bring out the best in me."
Promoter Frank Warren confirmed he is lining up a date for Calzaghe across the Atlantic in February or March.
However, with the 41-year-old Hopkins talking about challenging WBC heavyweight champion Oleg Maskaev, Denmark's Mikkel Kessler would appear to be a more realistic option.
Kessler demolished Germany's Markus Beyer inside three rounds in Copenhagen on Saturday to add the WBC crown to his WBA belt.
And with Calzaghe in possession of the IBF and WBO titles, a fight between the two would be a rare four-belt unification bout.
"I would be glad to fight Joe under the right financial conditions," Kessler said.
"I would go to England or he could come to Denmark. I will beat him in either place.
"Floyd Mayweather is boxing's best pound-for-pound fighter and I am the second best fighter in the sport. I think I demonstrated that to some people on Saturday."
Warren added: "Kessler, Hopkins and (Jermain) Taylor are names on the list and we will talk to HBO and come up with one of those names for Joe's fight in February. "Kessler would be a great unification match and we have the possibility of Hopkins. It would be a fantastic fight and, who knows, it could be history in the making."
A fight with WBC and WBO middleweight champion Taylor looks the least likely option for Calzaghe.
The 28-year-old Arkansas fighter, who beat Hopkins twice last year, already slated to defend his titles in December.
Meanwhile, Britain's former heavyweight king Lennox Lewis, commentating on the Calzaghe-Bika fight for American TV network HBO, has urged the Welshman to head Stateside.
"It's definitely the path I'd like to see him take," said Lewis. "They're clamouring for him over there."
Would`nt mind a few days in vegas for that one :D
bazza76
15-10-06, 09:36 PM
Would`nt mind a few days in vegas for that one :D
Always wanted to do that actually for a big vegas fight, that or a UFC fight.
Always wanted to do that actually for a big vegas fight, that or a UFC fight.
It`s a different world out there fella,i went to a Erik Morales fight in Mandalay Bay,had a great time
I got married the next day :cry:
bazza76
15-10-06, 09:44 PM
It`s a different world out there fella,i went to a Erik Morales fight in Mandalay Bay,had a great time
I got married the next day :cry:
:haha: nice one.
You for real Kaip?Always wanted to go to Vegas when something like that is on, i've never been to the states however, i'd imagine it is a bit of a culture shock alright.
bazza76
15-10-06, 09:45 PM
i went to a Erik Morales fight in Mandalay Bay,had a great time
I'd say it was a good spectacle though? Was he fighting anyone good?.
Very entertaining fight, but Calzaghe wasn't the brightest of people there with his complete disregard of tactics.
If you looked at them afterwards you wouldn't believe that Calzaghe had won by a mile. Bika looked untouched :haha:
Howard_lfc
16-10-06, 09:19 AM
Always wanted to do that actually for a big vegas fight, that or a UFC fight.
Me too. Get Hatton and Calzaghe on the same bill and I'd be tempted to get my credit card out.......
bazza76
16-10-06, 09:29 AM
Me too. Get Hatton and Calzaghe on the same bill and I'd be tempted to get my credit card out.......
Would be a good one for the bits alright. Love watching Hatton fights.
Would like to see Bernard Dunne taking the step back over to the states, although I am enjoying him fighting in Ireland at present.
Disappointed with Calzaghe the other night as he didn't need to get involved with Bika like he did - but he's a fighter and if the opposition is a brawler you know Joe's going to get it on with him - he just can't help it!
It could have gone wrong for him if Bika would have caught him with a good 'un but Joe came through taking some decent shots. If he does get that big fight next he'll need to be a lot better than that, but I do worry about his hands which keep troubling him.
Anyway, another win, and I'd like to see a fight with him and Kessler for all four titles. Failing that one of the Americans to shut them up once again! ;)
Maccarinelli's fight was a real let down with Hobson going over after taking slap to the top of the head which didn't look like much - Enzo's a pretty hard hitter mind you!
And did you see the state of Joe's face after Enzo's win - his cut looked nasty and he had quite a bump on the side of his face too! That Bika bloke was an animal.
Howard_lfc
16-10-06, 11:39 AM
Just to big-up a couple of scouse lads who were on the same bill:
Derry Mathews dethroned Steve Foster jnr with a classic boxing performance. Totally dominant.
And Paul Smith maintained his unbeaten run.
These lads look like they could do ok for themselves.
paulcooper4
16-10-06, 11:45 AM
Just to big-up a couple of scouse lads who were on the same bill:
Derry Mathews dethroned Steve Foster jnr with a classic boxing performance. Totally dominant.
And Paul Smith maintained his unbeaten run.
These lads look like they could do ok for themselves.
:handshake:
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