Left vs Right

[darkknight]

So, what are your politics people ?

Lets here justifications for stances on social,economic and political action /inaction from both sides of the fence . Do you get your nuts caught up trying to straddle said fence's middle ground - lets hear why :o !

Are you left of left, right of right ? Are you extreme in you viewpoint, are you a moderate - do you hear the other sides muffled voices calling out to you in your sleep ?

How does the conservative/socialist divide differ between nations - who's soft and who's not ?

I m genuinly interested :handshake: .

[Snigger]

Politicians are all self centrerd fuckwits FACT.

[darkknight]

Sounds like a thread topic by itself.

You resemble out Prime Minister - are you of prosperous surrounds ?

[Red_Polo]

I'm left of centre, and liberal. Economically I believe that there is no better alternative to the capitalist system but it is a system that should/must be heavily regulated as unhindered it exacerbates social divisions.

When it comes to politicians, I think there are quite a few who get into it for all the right reasons, but they are gradually and unwittingly changed by those around them in learning how to play the game. They then delude themselves they are the brave men who stand up for what is right that they always wanted to be. It's not necessarily just the power that corrupts, but the political culture too.

[alunevans]

Very much left. I'd say I used to be centre left until I took the time to properly read Marx and realised he was pretty much spot on.

[Red_Polo]

Very much left. I'd say I used to be centre left until I took the time to properly read Marx and realised he was pretty much spot on.

By and large I agree. He's a very misunderstood figure IMO, mainly due to the fact that so many people get their impressions of him from everything but his own texts.

Because of that he once felt the need to proclaim, 'I am not a Marxist'. :D

[alunevans]

For me, actually sitting down and reading him was a personal journey that I'm glad I belatedly made.

It completely shifted my view of the world. Things became so much clearer once I'd read him in some detail.

[warrenpeace]

I used to be fairly small c conservative, and very much believe that everyone has a duty to stand on their own 2 feet and make their own way as far as possible. I'm aware however that plenty of people can't do that for good reason, and that plenty of others are going to pretend that they can't as they are lazy fuckers and spoil it for the rest of us. Cosequently blundering along somewhere near the centre is probably the best we can do.

[Snigger]

Very much left. I'd say I used to be centre left until I took the time to properly read Marx and realised he was pretty much spot on.

Marxism is a good idea, but that is all it is because it can never work in the real world.

[Slim]

Francis Wheen's book on Marx is an excellent study of the man and his works for those who are interested. As Polo says, due to what has been inflicted on the world in his name by many regimes he is quite a misunderstood individual.

[RedJedi]

Im centre right, used to be left but i grew up and found my self drifting right. The older i get the further right i seem to be going.

[Red_hot]

Left.

[Shaggy]

I grew up with Tony Benn as my MP :rock: - how could I be anything but left.

[alunevans]

Marxism is a good idea, but that is all it is because it can never work in the real world.

So people always say. But that sounds kind of glib to me really.

[Tom]

IF you actually read Marx you'd realise his analysis of capital has nothing to do with the regimes that followed him and used his name. Das Kapital is one of the most insightful books I've ever read. It's so prescient it's scary.

[Diego]

raised up on the right side, been sliding left ever since, i won't say i'm in the center causr i hate that word it implies no opinion, but i take bits from the right and bits from the left and mix it into my own thingy...

won't strap me down to one ideo cause i'm open in both ends and constantly shift...

[alunevans]

IF you actually read Marx you'd realise his analysis of capital has nothing to do with the regimes that followed him and used his name. Das Kapital is one of the most insightful books I've ever read. It's so prescient it's scary.

:handshake:

I've not read it all Tom. What I read was a book which was edited by a professor called Freeman and the book was called Marx on Economics. It gave Marx's key ideas in his own words.

So it wasn't Freeman's interpretation of it, he just edited Marx's works into chapters for this excellent book. What you read was all Marx though.

Still tough going but well worth it, and as you say, it remains as relevant now as it did then, perhaps more so.

I still use it to understand the world. For the past seven or eight years I've been arguing that information products would struggle to have a value because they can simply be reproduced online with little or no labour involved.

And thats exactly what happened. Any Marxist could have spotted that probability yonks ago.

I love Marx's stuff.

Another really relevant book that I read shortly after was Imperialism by Lenin which blew my socks off too.

[Dhav]

I honeslty dont give a shit one way or the other.

[Anfield Mole]

Generaly I use my left hand for wanking, the right hand for wiping my arse with.

[dirty_sanchez]

Right. I hate immigrants and gays, which is why I'm incensed that they let Julian into the country.