View Full Version : Liverpool in for Duff!
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 02:14 PM
According to SSN. They have just said via the whole 'breaking news' bit that they understand that Chelsea have given permission for Duff to speak to 3 clubs: Spurs, Newcastle and...us!
Also, Duff was not at training today.
Can't really understand this though. I thought we are well covered at LW.
I can't see that Duff would add anything to the squad, we seem to be linked with anyone and everyone at the moment:
Surely not? Why on earth would we want to buy Duff?
Unless Kewell is on his way.....??
Haven't heard them mention it yet. It would be a couple of years too late imo
Can't Duff play on the right?
My take:
Newcastle will pay the most (and are the weakest team) therefore Chelsea would like him to go there. Newcastle will probably offer the highest wages too.
Spurs will probably offer less but match the wages on offer at Newcastle. Chelsea probably don't mind him joining them.
Us, we will probably offer lower wages, and a lower transfer fee - and I don't think Chelsea would like to see Duff in a Red Shirt. However, I feel Duff would jump at the chance to join us, above the other two clubs.
TheStig
21-07-06, 02:20 PM
I am racking my brains for the answer to this one.
Unless it's a smokescreen!
Haven't heard them mention it yet.
They just did a minute or so ago.
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 02:22 PM
Haven't heard them mention it yet. It would be a couple of years too late imo
They honestly did mate - I couldn't believe my ears tbh!
He would be an improvement on Kewell. But then it raises so many questions.
Is Kewell leaving?
Will Duff play on the RW, like he did for Chelsea when he and Robben played together?
Is that the end of Alves?
Or is it a bluff to get Del Nido to reduce his demands?
Or does Rafa see Duff and Alves signing, and playing Kewell upfront - ie no Kuyt?
And, the eternal question, have we got more dough than we think?
scarface
21-07-06, 02:24 PM
I would put all my cash on it that this is utter bollocks! we have no need for him! rafa would not be going out and spending
The other concern is we have/could be picking up players this summer with genuine injury problems in the past. Bellamy, Aurelio and Duff have all spent long spells on the sidelines.
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 02:26 PM
[QUOTE=scarface]I would put all my cash on it that this is utter bollocks! we have no need for him! rafa would not be going out and spending
TheStig
21-07-06, 02:26 PM
The other concern is we have/could be picking up players this summer with genuine injury problems in the past. Bellamy, Aurelio and Duff have all spent long spells on the sidelines.
It's so that Kewell doesn't feel as lonely on the sidelines!
What kind of fee are they talking about?
Jack D Rips
21-07-06, 02:27 PM
[QUOTE=scarface]I would put all my cash on it that this is utter bollocks! we have no need for him! rafa would not be going out and spending
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 02:28 PM
Didn't mention a fee for us - but the rumours are that Newcastle have offered
IanTheRed
21-07-06, 02:29 PM
I wouldn't mind, he is quite versatile and better (certainly currently) than Harry.
He has played on the right for Chelski, switching sides with Robben at regular intervals, and if Rafa is thinking of a 4-3-3 formation at times he would be perfect. I'm sure that 12 months ago everyone was heralding Mark Gonzalez as a player who can play on both wings, so is this true? Left footers playing on the right can cut inside to great effect, but we'll obviously miss out on the crosses which Crouch strives on :rolleyes:
Apparantly Spurs bid
scarface
21-07-06, 02:29 PM
Rafa wont sell zenden after telling the nation that he intends to use him in a central midfield role like he did at boro! i bet its nonsense!
more than likely a bit of kidology unless Kewell is off
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 02:31 PM
Always thought he was a United fan myself. Could be wrong though.
Dufster would be a better option than Kewell on the left - I just can't see chelski selling him to us. Don't see it - esp. with his injury record......
Jack D Rips
21-07-06, 02:32 PM
Rafa wont sell zenden after telling the nation that he intends to use him in a central midfield role like he did at boro! i bet its nonsense!
I dont know about you but I certainly dont like the sound of that
TheStig
21-07-06, 02:34 PM
Dufster would be a better option than Kewell on the left - I just can't see chelski selling him to us. Don't see it - esp. with his injury record......
Well if Sky Sports are right they've agreed to let him speak to us.
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 02:36 PM
Well if Sky Sports are right they've agreed to let him speak to us.
Does that then mean that we have had a bid accepted?
scarface
21-07-06, 02:36 PM
I dont know about you but I certainly dont like the sound of that
what do you mean zenden going or zenden in the middle?
TheStig
21-07-06, 02:39 PM
Does that then mean that we have had a bid accepted?
I don't know, this is all going off what hasbeen posted on forums (that we've had a bid accepted).
Letting a player speak to us doesn't necessarily mean that we've had a bid accepted, but we're close to having one accepted or Chelsea think we might soon.
Infadel
21-07-06, 02:39 PM
He had his chance and opted for the money - he'll do the same this time when the Barcodes offer him more. Anyway, we don't need him - he'd be a waste of money.
He had his chance and opted for the money - he'll do the same this time when the Barcodes offer him more. Anyway, we don't need him - he'd be a waste of money.
v unfair on duff if you ask me.
why do you say he opted for the money? chelsea offered 17M for him, noone else did, so the only club he could have gone to was chelsea. And im sure he went there to win trophies, which he did, 2 league titles in fact.
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 02:44 PM
Seems its now on NewsNow:
From ShanklyGates:
Liverpool set to hold Duff talks
By James Carroll
Date: 21/7/2006
Liverpool have entered the race to sign Chelsea winger Damien Duff. Sky Sports reports that the London club have given the Irish international permission to speak with the Reds along with Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur.
Duff has requested to leave Stamford Bridge due to a lack of first team football and it was thought that Newcastle were set to trump Spurs to the former Blackburn forward's signature.
However, Sky Sports have announced this afternoon that Liverpool have been given permission to speak to the 27-year-old and his advisors.
The Irishman did not train with Chelsea today and it's rumoured that he has already spoken to Newcastle.
Liverpool were on the brink of signing Duff under former boss Gerard Houllier until Chelsea blew the Reds advances out of the water with an over-priced
He had his chance and opted for the money - he'll do the same this time when the Barcodes offer him more. Anyway, we don't need him - he'd be a waste of money.
It wasn't him opting for the money - Blackburn had a massive transfer-trigger clause in his contract and we couldn't meet it. Of course if, a year previously, Houllier hadn't pissed
brendan
21-07-06, 02:50 PM
We don't need Duff.
We don't need duff. But if he is avaiable for a price we can afford and Rafa thinks that He and Gonzales will give us good enough options down the right then that seems fair enough to me. I think Duff is an exceptional player and the one real worry (as it appears to be with all our most recent signings) is his injury record.
Still I would prefer a natural right sided player, but if none of the right quality are available at a price we can afford/want to pay what can we do?
Infadel
21-07-06, 03:07 PM
[QUOTE=scully]It wasn't him opting for the money - Blackburn had a massive transfer-trigger clause in his contract and we couldn't meet it. Of course if, a year previously, Houllier hadn't pissed
yes we bloody do need duff. and at 10M its an absolute steal. he has played on the right many times, is proven to be a world class player, proven to be one of the best players in the premiership, socred goals, good crosser, is very quick, great dribbler.
we cant go wrong if we sign him. th eonly niggling doubt is that he is injury prone.
id rather buy duff for 10M that alves for 12/13M as he is totally unproven in england and duff is also a lot better than him
I think it was his choice - he could have said that he would not/did not want to move to Chelski irrespective of the buy-out clause. All players have this option - whether the selling club accepts other clubs' offers is another point.l
To an extent this is true. I have respect for players who try to get the best deal for the club that developed them. I think it is fair enough for a player to demand to leave if only one side is interested and have offered a decent fee but their club is holding out, but with more then one club interested I like to see them try and get the best deal for their club.
baronvonskidmark
21-07-06, 03:19 PM
Apparently Newcastle are confident of closing the deal - but that's the Geordies for you!
armitage
21-07-06, 03:22 PM
I reckon we'll get him. He must realise what a mistake he made going to the chavs - last chance at a big club and all that.
i'm surprised the mancs aren't in for him.
Infadel
21-07-06, 03:24 PM
To an extent this is true. I have respect for players who try to get the best deal for the club that developed them. I think it is fair enough for a player to demand to leave if only one side is interested and have offered a decent fee but their club is holding out, but with more then one club interested I like to see them try and get the best deal for their club.
In an ideal world you're right, but it doesn't work like that - players are all different in character, some are mercenary and will always put money first, while others are less mercenary and think about their careers and development before other things, or about their families and their happiness. Unfortunately, I think Duff was mercenary - IMHO!
I just prefer to see the best in people. I suspect the truth is more that he didn't desperately want to sign for us and it was easier to go along with the move to Chelsea which to be fair offered much the same prospects of European football and also a higher wage. If we had met the release clause fee then maybe he would have prefered us but I don't get the impression he is the sort to cause trouble and demand his prefered move.
I guess we will never know, unless we happen to bump into him in a pub some time. Or get and insider at Blackburn :)
Jack D Rips
21-07-06, 03:50 PM
what do you mean zenden going or zenden in the middle?
Zenden in the middle
I'm beginning to like the idea of signing Duff to play upfront and Alves for the right hand side. Sounds a bit crazy I know.
I think that Duffs control and efficient use of the ball would mean he would be good at holding up the ball, and he has a decent finish on him.
It's a different option any way.
How long has Kewell got on his contract? Anyone?
I've read the bbc reports from when he signed in 2003 saying that he'd signed a 4 year contract. Was that wrong?
If it was right then he only has a year left which could mean he is on his way out. I don't recall him signing a new deal.
Duff? Well it depends on price and wages for me. Gonzalez is going to be a class act in my opinion and will be automatic choice on the left by December. Duff can play on the right so at 10 million i prefer Duff to 13.8 million Simao or 13 million for Alvez. We know Duff has the quality to succeed.
How good is he on the right? That's the question in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure he is a free agent next summer as he stalled on talks for a contract extension earlier in this summer.
Duff would be an excellent addition, but would he be getting into our first team regularly?
Isn't he leaving Chelsea because he wants regular first team football? Not guaranteed at Liverpool is it, especially with all the other options we now have to play wide. Take your pick on either flank from HK, Speedy, Luis, Bolo, Stevie, JAR, Fabio... anyone I missed? Oh, and hopefully, Alves!!
I expect Duff to end up at Newcastle.
I expect him to go to Spurs myself, they seem front runners and Newcastle don't have any money. The Owen deal was done with a loan (first time Newcastle have done that) so they can't afford to splash out again. They need a striker first and foremost so their money will be concentrated there. Plus I think N'Zogbia is one of their best players.
In terms of our stacked left side- Bolo is more of a central midfielder who can fill in on the left these days, Kewell might be sold/gone next summer because of his contract expirey which just leaves JAR (better at left back these days) and Gonzalez. However, i believe Duff can play on the right and has done so for Chelsea, so in that resect he would get 1st team football with Anderson pushing him all the way towards the end of the season.
I'd rather we spent our money on an ACTUAL right winger.
I'd rather we spent our money on an ACTUAL right winger.
LOL! We've tried that and no-one wants our money (Benfica, Sevilla) ;)
Seriously, Duff for 10 million or Alvez (a right WING-BACK) for 13+ million or Simao for 13.8 million or Pennant for 7 million?
Pennant or Duff for me
Jayesh87
21-07-06, 04:33 PM
LOL! We've tried that and no-one wants our money (Benfica, Sevilla) ;)
Seriously, Duff for 10 million or Alvez (a right WING-BACK) for 13+ million or Simao for 13.8 million or Pennant for 7 million?
Pennant or Duff for me
:crackoff:
And I thought this forum was all about constructive and enlightened discussion :)
Jack D Rips
21-07-06, 05:00 PM
:crackoff:
Very enlightening input to the discussion:shake:
MrMichael
21-07-06, 05:16 PM
Duff can absolutely play on the right. I daren't hope this one is true but I'd love to see him at Anfield. A genuinely great player IMO :D
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 05:19 PM
i'd be happy id we signed him but there are 2 things that concern me. 1 is his injury problems. he always seems to be out injured, a bit like harry i guess. the other is that he's another left winger. do we need another? right midfield is where we are weakest and he would be a square peg in a round hole. i have a feeling that he will go to tottenham though. they have probably already talked to him and agreed a contract if you believe this weeks papers.
Jayesh87
21-07-06, 05:20 PM
And I thought this forum was all about constructive and enlightened discussion :)
i was talking to the gas man :D
I think the whole thing is made up by sky anyway.
On another part, Figaro has posted on ynwa that rafa told alves to sit tight and be patient after alves said to him he was desperate to join us
Jayesh87
21-07-06, 05:41 PM
I think the whole thing is made up by sky anyway.
On another part, Figaro has posted on ynwa that rafa told alves to sit tight and be patient after alves said to him he was desperate to join us
i thought fig was on holiday ?
Someone posted on his behalf apparently - as Figaro's laptop doesn't work on the beach was the reason/excuse given.
Fair enough, can't say I'm familiar with people on YNWA to make a judgement on their reliability for myself.
Cheers.
Infadel
21-07-06, 06:20 PM
Fair enough, can't say I'm familiar with people on YNWA to make a judgement on their reliability for myself.
Cheers.
That poster on the song site is pretty reliable for all things Spanish/LFC.;)
That poster on the song site is pretty reliable for all things Spanish/LFC.;)
this isnt koptalk, you can call it ynwa here ;)
444,000 is a mate of patricks(figaro) of ynwa
i certainly wouldnt imagine us buying both duff and alves.
i like the idea of duff ,he would certainly give us possibilities as rafa wouldput it.
however, if he has said to alves to sit tight then its only a matter of time before we sign him.take agger for example or gonzales for that matter.
when rafa really wants a player he inevitably gets him.
Someone posted on his behalf apparently - as Figaro's laptop doesn't work on the beach was the reason/excuse given.
this was his email:
[QUOTE]I can't log on to YNWA from my laptop here at the beach. So Just to give you some news that you can pass on. I've been with Sevilla CF watching them train and I went to see their first pre-season match.
Poulsen, the new signing is the best footballer I've seen in a long time, after Alves, of course.
I spoke to Alves face-to-face - he's dying to sign for Liverpool and has been told by Ben
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 06:40 PM
it has to be alves. i'm sort of excited about the duff rumour but i just get the feeling that we're already covered in that position so it's a non starter.
we need alves more than duff.
i have a feeling that duff will move to tottenham anyway.
dont forget that duff has played as striker for ireland many times also..
MrMichael
21-07-06, 06:50 PM
That poster on the song site is pretty reliable for all things Spanish/LFC.;)
:haha:
Allow me to confirm that you can call it YNWA on here all you like. Same with RAWK, TheLiverpoolWay, TalkLFC etc. You can even link to them or quote if they aren't going to mind. We're all LFC fans at the end of the day :D
If this is acurate must the Duff thing be tripe?
Ahh good old Rafa. He won't give up will he. Would hate to play poker against the man.
hes just signed for newcastle
thats that then
http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~870767,00.html
TheStig
21-07-06, 07:21 PM
WTF were SSN on about then?
IanTheRed
21-07-06, 07:22 PM
Oh well, stupid twat. Thats the end of his career, unless he does a Bellamy.
As Fagan said (not sure if SSN are pre-empting it) looked on BBC and the 'ticker' is saying a fee has been agreed and medical is the last step.
Dunk will be happy, maybe he'll start a campain to save Newcastle next, who were reportedly
MrMichael
21-07-06, 07:47 PM
:haha:
Spurs and Newcastle have to have the 2 most dubious sets of finances in the Premiership. And now I'm going to have to listen to more geordies moaning when Duff joins the rest of them injured. In the cold light of this I don't believe we were ever really in for him, or that Chelsea would ever sell him to us even if we were. Ah well, we've got Gonzales now anyway :D
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 07:55 PM
hes just signed for newcastle
thats that then
http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~870767,00.html
strange decision if you ask me. yet again newcastle sign a player for big money, where do they get it from?
i wonder if rafa even got the chance to speak to him or were we never really in the running?
one thing is for sure he's made a BIG mistake signing for them. he'll follow the same path as owen luque and other who have gone before them. loads of money but no medals to show for their time there!:D
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 07:57 PM
BBC are also reporting it now.
i dont think we were ever in for him. we dont need him given our squad is overloaded with left sided players at the moment
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 08:00 PM
[QUOTE=IanTheRed]Dunk will be happy, maybe he'll start a campain to save Newcastle next, who were reportedly
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 08:02 PM
i dont think we were ever in for him. we dont need him given our squad is overloaded with left sided players at the moment
i agree with that. i did find it a bit strange that we were linked but then again football is a funny game.
TheStig
21-07-06, 08:10 PM
i agree with that. i did find it a bit strange that we were linked but then again football is a funny game.
Same, someone on KT said it was probably Newcastle saying we were interested to look like they "beat" us to a player:D .
But where do they find the money for these players?
And has Duff been bought to keep Little Mickey Owen company on the treatment table?
I doubt we were seriously in for, as we do have plenty of LW options.
Of well, all the best for Duff, but Newcastle aren't going to be challenging anybody. Apart from Fulham for position 17 on the premiership table. ;)
Infadel
21-07-06, 08:13 PM
Who said he's not mercenary?? Has he joined the Barcodes to aid his career development and play in the CL? Nah, I think money probably had a little bit to do with it!! They are probably the only club daft enough to match Chelski's wage, because you can bet he hasn't taken a wage cut to go there - maybe that's why Parker went there as well!
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 08:14 PM
Same, someone on KT said it was probably Newcastle saying we were interested to look like they "beat" us to a player:D .
i wouldn't put it past them. they'l go to any lengths to try and claim to being a big club.:D
Parker certainly didn't take a wage cut, if anything he got a bit extra out of Newcastle.
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 08:17 PM
Who said he's not mercenary?? Has he joined the Barcodes to aid his career development and play in the CL? Nah, I think money probably had a little bit to do with it!! They are probably the only club daft enough to match Chelski's wage, because you can bet he hasn't taken a wage cut to go there - maybe that's why Parker went there as well!
yeah it was probably a case of "how much do you earn
Ok, so the support is good and the stadium holds a lot too. But that isn't reason enough to go there....
Infadel
21-07-06, 08:21 PM
Parker certainly didn't take a wage cut, if anything he got a bit extra out of Newcastle.
Think you misread my post - I didn't say Parker had taken a wage - cut to go there.:p
kurtangle01
21-07-06, 08:25 PM
Ok, so the support is good and the stadium holds a lot too. But that isn't reason enough to go there....
if you're a player with ambitions of winning trophies then regardless of the money earned or the size of stadium you wouldn't go to newcastle.
their fan base is huge and they do have an excellent support but if i was a proffesional player one meeting with freddy shephard would be enough to put me off.
Think you misread my post - I didn't say Parker had taken a wage - cut to go there.:p
I think I phrased my post incorrect. I was agreeing with you, that Parker didn't take a wage cut.
...but he's now Captain, so it's all worthwhile....:rolleyes:
A move in the right direction, with duff bellamy and gonzalez :)
TheStig
21-07-06, 08:36 PM
A move in the right direction, with duff bellamy and gonzalez :)
We're not signing him!
brendan
23-07-06, 01:14 PM
OK, I'm usually the last person on Earth to fall into that almost unique category of Liverpool fan: the deranged paranoiac.
HOWEVER, this whole thing is fcuking bizarre.
Mourinho lets it be known that Duff is effectively on his way out, but he loves him just the same. Rumours that he has been offered a new contract, but at
Michal K
23-07-06, 01:31 PM
Hello.I'm fan of LFC from Czech Republic.I go next month to Liverpool.Can I buy somewhere ''in stone shop'' goods from Spring/Summer 2006 e-Catalogue or is possible only thorough e-shop.Thank you
TheStig
23-07-06, 10:21 PM
Hello.I'm fan of LFC from Czech Republic.I go next month to Liverpool.Can I buy somewhere ''in stone shop'' goods from Spring/Summer 2006 e-Catalogue or is possible only thorough e-shop.Thank you
Start a new thread about that mate as this one is about Duff and your post probably won't get noticed!
[QUOTE=brendan]OK, I'm usually the last person on Earth to fall into that almost unique category of Liverpool fan: the deranged paranoiac.
HOWEVER, this whole thing is fcuking bizarre.
Mourinho lets it be known that Duff is effectively on his way out, but he loves him just the same. Rumours that he has been offered a new contract, but at
brendan
24-07-06, 03:41 PM
Spot on - there is no way Chelsea want to stengthen their rivals - selling Duff to Newcastle is ideal for them. He is now out of sight and out of mind. Much like Scott Parker a year ago.
Now there are rumours that the fee was closer to
I still think that fee is a fair reflection on an injury prone player entering the final year of his contract.
Good luck Duff in Newcastle.
brendan
24-07-06, 03:45 PM
I still think that fee is a fair reflection on an injury prone player entering the final year of his contract.
Good luck Duff in Newcastle.
I hope he wins fcuk all. Which is quite likely.
He is reported to have said that his decsion has come from the heart, and effectively apologised to Irish reds for going to Newcastle.
Heart? Why would he go to Newcastle because of his heart? I think it might have something to do with his wallet, to be honest.
Red_Polo
24-07-06, 04:13 PM
I think basically, we were never an option. We don't need him. Still, he's joining a very successful outfit. Haven't they just been crowned champions of the much sought after Intertoto Cup? That's another 50 odd years they'll have to wait before they win their next egg cup then.
Heart? Why would he go to Newcastle because of his heart? I think it might have something to do with his wallet, to be honest.
Perhaps he bought one of >>THESE<< (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEXT-Pink-heart-shaped-beaded-purse-wallet-BN_W0QQitemZ330008865003QQihZ014QQcategoryZ63852QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
SouthAfricaRed
25-07-06, 06:50 AM
I see that Elisha Scott on YNWA says that Liverpool did approach Chelski about Duff, but the price they asked was too much. Liverpool was only prepared to pay 7 million :confused: for him?
With Newcastle now reporting they bought him for 5 million, One has to think that Chelski upped the price for us as they didn't want to sell him to us :eyebrow:
Still, if Duff really wanted to come here, he could have stood his Ground, but I guess Newcastle would offer him much better wages :rolleyes:
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