Can I Just Ask A Question About Portsmouth?

[Craig_H]

I keep hearing about how they're going to make a plea to the PL to waive their 9 point deduction.

Is there anyone on planet earth that can tell me on what grounds?

Have i missed something, whereby they actually 'should' have the deduction waived? Seems bizarre.

"Oh, please can you not deduct the points because...erm...we dont want to lose them"

Very odd. Or is there an actual legit reason?

[Vermilion]

They can't do that, are they that stupid, i mean to even consider asking...let alone actually going ahead and asking.....surely not, they must know it's pathetic...and doomed to failure, the ramafications regarding the future/past...as far as punishing/punished teams is/are concerned would be huge, and impossible to justify....crazy ****ers.

[EwarWoo]

I don't know why they're botherring anyways, it's clear they're going down deduction or not.

[Neil Young]

I imagine they will put forward a legal argument. I don't see anything wrong in them trying it on. If you don't ask, you don't get.

Listen to all the old donkeys today complaining about Gordon Brown being accurate but disingenuous at the Iraq Whitewash. They didn't ask for new equipment because they "knew" they wouldn't get them so letting The Treasury off the hook in future.

If Portsmouth can make some sort of legal argument stick (like the points deduction is equivalent to a restraint of trade or breaches the club's "human rights" - yes, I know that sounds stupid but that's the way busiiness has abused the Human Rights Act) then it's reasonable to try it. If the FA's rules effectively break the law of the land then it's the FA that's in the wrong and they need to change their rules accordingly.

It seems legalistic but that's how the world works.

[The Erectile Banana]

Does it really matter?

They're going to get relegated with or without the points deduction.

[Craig_H]

I imagine they will put forward a legal argument. I don't see anything wrong in them trying it on. If you don't ask, you don't get.

Listen to all the old donkeys today complaining about Gordon Brown being accurate but disingenuous at the Iraq Whitewash. They didn't ask for new equipment because they "knew" they wouldn't get them so letting The Treasury off the hook in future.

If Portsmouth can make some sort of legal argument stick (like the points deduction is equivalent to a restraint of trade or breaches the club's "human rights" - yes, I know that sounds stupid but that's the way busiiness has abused the Human Rights Act) then it's reasonable to try it. If the FA's rules effectively break the law of the land then it's the FA that's in the wrong and they need to change their rules accordingly.

It seems legalistic but that's how the world works.

I would've thought though, that if there genuinely is a case (legal or otherwise), why wouldnt other clubs have done it (and won the case) when they'd gone into admin?

[Vermilion]

[CJ]

Portsmouth are desperate.

isnt it the same as asking for the transfer window to be opened for them

it wont happen.

it has been mismanaged on a huge scale.

[Neil Young]

I would've thought though, that if there genuinely is a case (legal or otherwise), why wouldnt other clubs have done it (and won the case) when they'd gone into admin?

Maybe their lawyers aren't as clever/ingenious/optimistic. Maybe the Premier League rules are different to Football League ones, which is what would have applied to all previous clubs.

That apart, I'd agree it seems a remote possibility Portsmouth's lawyers have noticed something others haven't. Perhaps when the financial stakes are so much bigger it's worth taking more of a gamble though.

I really don't mind them trying though, unless they want to abuse Human Rights law like all these other corporate b*st*rds (Trafigura, etc.).

[CJ]

didnt pompey try to claim that VAT isnt payable on transfers (even though every club has paid it and the fact that it is) to get the tax bill reduced.

I see it as another clutching at straws attempt

but still in their position you have to try everything

[magicalbarnes]

Does it really matter?

They're going to get relegated with or without the points deduction.

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I wouldnt be so sure about that, they are only about 5 points from safety and with 10 games remaining anything is possible.

It wouldbe funny if they won the FA Cup though, their in the semi's!!

[Scratch]

Didn't Leeds go into voluntary administration at a time when relegation was almost a certainty, and the FA refused to allow them a 10 point deduction at the time, and made them wait until the new football year, so they started on -10 points??

If so, maybe Pompey will argue that there is precedent?

[Exiled_red]

Didn't Leeds go into voluntary administration at a time when relegation was almost a certainty, and the FA refused to allow them a 10 point deduction at the time, and made them wait until the new football year, so they started on -10 points??

If so, maybe Pompey will argue that there is precedent?

I remember there was an incident with a club that were almost certainly down and they went into administration a just before the end of the season and the FA applied the penalty the following season, but I don't think that was Leeds. (I could be wrong though)

[Neil Young]

I remember there was an incident with a club that were almost certainly down and they went into administration a just before the end of the season and the FA applied the penalty the following season, but I don't think that was Leeds. (I could be wrong though)

Leeds and Southampton both had points deductions for the following season IIRC.