Players in Players out 2010

[Shaggy]

To be fair though who ever counts any signing on fee as part of transfer expenditure? Just doesn't happen. It's obvious you pay a big signing on fee for free transfers but that doesn't mean it should count, surely.

[CJ]

To be fair though who ever counts any signing on fee as part of transfer expenditure? Just doesn't happen. It's obvious you pay a big signing on fee for free transfers but that doesn't mean it should count, surely.

i think the point is that its not as cut and dried as people think.

The club has a budget and i imagine that there is flexibility within that ie less wages means more signing on fees or transfer budget available.

[Scratch]

Dunno, i've always assumed that as the signin-on fee is part of the transfer package, (just to the player, not the club) that it would come out of that transfer budget...never included the wages before tho, just assumed we would have a wage budget as well...

...think FM has a lot to answer for!!

[PTP]

back to players in players out....

in my little 'championship manager' dream world, i would be quite happy with the below



Sell
El zhar £2m
Plessis £1m
Degen £2m
Riera £4m (already gone or going)
Insua £5m was it? Gone)
Kyriakos £2m
Babel £8m
Mascherano £30m

Total - £55m

Sign
Figueroa £6m
Bridge £6m
Remy £10m
Turan £10m
Leaving us £20m ish to find mascher replacement



GK
Reina
Cavalieri
Youngster

Rb
Johnson
Kelly
Carra/darby

Cb
Carra
Agger
Skrtel
Wilson
Ayala

Lb
Fig
Bridge

CM
Gerrard
Aquilani
Lucas
£18m replacement
Shelve

Rm
Maxi
Kuyt
Cole/turan

Lm
Cole
Turan
Jovanovic

Am
Gerrard
Cole

St
Torres
Remy
Jovanovic
Ngog
Kuyt/Pacheco/dale valle

[Exiled_red]

Dunno, i've always assumed that as the signin-on fee is part of the transfer package, (just to the player, not the club) that it would come out of that transfer budget...never included the wages before tho, just assumed we would have a wage budget as well...

...think FM has a lot to answer for!!

I think it's often difficult to know what the signing on fee (and wages are) when you are discussing transfers 'traditionally' you only discuss the transfer fee. I think it's easier in making comparisons to just stick to transfer fees

Btw why do footballers get signing on fees, they get crazy wages as it is and get a signing on fee on top of that which is something like 6months to a years worth of wages. Why didn't I get that when I started a new job

[dom9]

To be fair though who ever counts any signing on fee as part of transfer expenditure? Just doesn't happen. It's obvious you pay a big signing on fee for free transfers but that doesn't mean it should count, surely.

Granted, but when you're paying a player a chunky proportion of what would have been a tranfer fee, then I think it's a valid question.

[Fernandinho]

How come we all of a sudden decided that Turan's price has gone down... I thought it was generally believed he would cost around 15 million Euros

[merlboo]

If the question was a 5 million signing on fee then I certainly haven't seen or googled that

Plenty of links on Insua being pushed (I do know you can google a host of news stories on that )

[Scratch]

If the question was a 5 million signing on fee then I certainly haven't seen or googled that

Plenty of links on Insua being pushed (I do know you can google a host of news stories on that )

So google, then post links. Reputable newspapers only please, no Liverpool websites or fansites.

[The Birdman]

If the question was a 5 million signing on fee then I certainly haven't seen or googled that

Plenty of links on Insua being pushed (I do know you can google a host of news stories on that )

Really?? I presumed Insua went because he had 1 year left on his contract and was making noises about not signing another one.
If with our current situation I'd be flabbergasted if we sold the only senior (and he's 21) left back we have because we 'pushed him out'.

[dom9]

If the question was a 5 million signing on fee then I certainly haven't seen or googled that

Plenty of links on Insua being pushed (I do know you can google a host of news stories on that )

Fact is, we don't know what Cole's signing on fee was, but it's more than it would have been if a transfer fee was paid. It would have to come out of the overall budget. I, like you have have seen between £4m and £6m mentioned on the internet. The transfer budget will be affected by this though.

Some more 'facts'.

Fact is, Benayoun's transfer fee was undisclosed. How do you know what it was.

Fact is, Insua has not left yet.

Fact is, you are speculating, just like everybody else.

[red g]

fact is also Cole will be gettin more than Benayoun per week ....

[CJ]

whilst i dont agree with everything merlboo says i do think that we need to keep an eye on those running our club and I dont beleive we should trust them yet. Only events will say yes we should or no we shouldnt.

I agree that a few signings and the approach of a new season dont mean that we should forget all the crap.

its certainly an "interesting time" to be a Liverpool supporter.

[merlboo]

Fact is, we don't know what Cole's signing on fee was, but it's more than it would have been if a transfer fee was paid. It would have to come out of the overall budget. I, like you have have seen between £4m and £6m mentioned on the internet. The transfer budget will be affected by this though.

Some more 'facts'.

Fact is, Benayoun's transfer fee was undisclosed. How do you know what it was.

Fact is, Insua has not left yet.

Fact is, you are speculating, just like everybody else.

i can't say i've seen any signing on fee so i'll hold council on that

your probably technically right at this present moment in time on Insua

though again it stands that Purslow has accepted the offer of 5 million pounds (if he moves or not )
maybe we won't ever know the full story on whether Roy wanted him or not

so to some point it is conjecture

what isn't beyond dispute at this present moment in time is we've got a negative net spend and have had one for the last 4 transfer windows

who said this one was gonna be big ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/11/liverpool-tom-hicks-junior-resigns

[merlboo]

am i right in saying we've spent 4 million on them 4 signings ?

if we take it that Joe and Milan came on free's

Albert Riera the latest one out of the door now,along with that hungarian keeper and the boy Duran



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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7903435/Albert-Riera-set-to-end-Liverpool-misery-with-4.5million-move-to-Olympiakos.html

by my reckoning that'll be

8 Out: Dossena £4.7m, Voronin £1.8m, Mihaylov £1.5m Yossi £5.5m, San Jose £2.6m, Duran £0, Insua £5.0m , Riera 4.5 (Total: £25.6m)


5 In: Maxi £0, Shelvey £1.75m, Jova £0, Cole £0,Wilson £2.25 (Total: £4.0)


if anyone wants to do a bit of research and edit these then feel free

the above figures are obviously not cast in stone , so if you know where to look and it looks like hard evidence then as i say ... feel free