David Ngog - Page 2

BigChief · 17-12-09, 12:16 AM

Was really impressed with his awareness, run and shot with his 'weaker' foot for the near miss at the far post against Kirkland. Already showing better technique than Kuyt.

Baracus · 17-12-09, 12:19 AM

I think he'll be a star

Marky · 17-12-09, 12:20 AM

He's been really, really good. Fair play to the lad. Hopefully he keeps it going.

PC Plod · 17-12-09, 08:46 AM

Nice one- working out really well for us. What's his goals/games & goals/starts this season?

Shaggy · 17-12-09, 08:56 AM

I'm sure he's started 8 games and scored 6 goals. He's our joint 2nd top scorer. Not sure how many games he's been involved in total.

PC Plod · 17-12-09, 09:15 AM

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I'm sure he's started 8 games and scored 6 goals. He's our joint 2nd top scorer. Not sure how many games he's been involved in total.

Dont rememebr him making much impact as a sub, but then I've not been paying as much attention as I usually do this season for some reason...

Exiled_red · 17-12-09, 09:17 AM

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Dont rememebr him making much impact as a sub, but then I've not been paying as much attention as I usually do this season for some reason...

What about against the scum you can't have forgotten that

PC Plod · 17-12-09, 09:29 AM

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What about against the scum you can't have forgotten that

Oh aye...oops.

ronanm · 17-12-09, 09:03 AM

Good for him (and us). He is really starting to make an impression.

MrMichael · 17-12-09, 09:21 AM

He's shown real mental maturity this season, sure he's by no means the finished article but he's really blossoming with increased time on the pitch.

Definitely one of the brightest points about this season so far.

Mike · 17-12-09, 09:53 AM

Lads doing well, baring in mind he is only 20 he is going to be very, very good in a few years. Bargain.

Nick77 · 17-12-09, 10:05 AM

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Lads doing well, baring in mind he is only 20 he is going to be very, very good in a few years. Bargain.

And thank God he's showing such promise as Kuyt is just going backwards all the time! It's was so frustrating how many times he kept losing the ball!

Scratch · 17-12-09, 10:08 AM

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And thank God he's showing such promise as Kuyt is just going backwards all the time! It's was so frustrating how many times he kept losing the ball!

Really? I thought Kuyt was a good part of all our build up play, linked well with N'Gog. The main ball-giving-away-culprit last night was Benny...always one touch too many for my liking, but still a good display from him.

Kuyt could play 40 passes, misplace 1 and people would say he kept giving the ball away, cos that pass will stick in their minds.

dww · 17-12-09, 10:23 AM

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Really? I thought Kuyt was a good part of all our build up play, linked well with N'Gog. The main ball-giving-away-culprit last night was Benny...always one touch too many for my liking, but still a good display from him.

Kuyt could play 40 passes, misplace 1 and people would say he kept giving the ball away, cos that pass will stick in their minds.

I've actually changed my mind on Kuyt's season. I was thinking he was having a 'mare and he hasn't been very effective but I actually think some aspects of his game have improved and that the failings have been in the team and with his lack of pace.

We play too deep and much like in the past when we used Kuyt right side in a more or less flat midfield four he struggles as his lack of pace means that he is most effective higher up the pitch. That said this season some of his long passing has been excellent, the problem being that we are too deep and tend to have one player isolated up pitch. If we had more and the ball stuck more often I think people would give him more credit. At the minute (a bit like it has been at times for Rooney) workrate is placing Kuyt in positions where he has low odds of really impacting a game.

He is wholly unsuited to playing in a midfield with Lucas and Mascherano so deep but I think we might actually find he is a better player than even last season if we can get the rest of the team playing more in the right areas of the pitch.

The Erectile Banana · 17-12-09, 10:32 AM

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He's shown real mental maturity this season, sure he's by no means the finished article but he's really blossoming with increased time on the pitch.

Definitely one of the brightest points about this season so far.

He has really grabbed his chance with both hands. His goals have bred confidence and I think he'll improve even more by the end of the season.

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I'v actually changed my mind on Kuyt's season. I was thinking he was having a 'mare and he hasn't been very effective but I actually think some aspects of his game have improved and that the failings have been in the team and with his lack of pace.

We play too deep and much like in the past when we used Kuyt right side in a more or less flat midfield four he struggles as his lack of pace means that he is most effective higher up the pitch. That said this season some of his long passing has been excellent, the problem being that we are too deep and tend to have one player isolated up pitch. If we had more and the ball stuck more often I think people would give him more credit. At the minute (a bit like it has been at times for Rooney) workrate is placing Kuyt in positions where he has low odds of really impacting a game.

He is wholly unsuited to playing in a midfield with Lucas and Mascherano so deep but I think we might actually find he is a better player than even last season if we can get the rest of the team playing more in the right areas of the pitch.

I can see where you coming from and don't want to get involved in another Kuyt debate but surely his major problem is his poor first touch that leads to so many of our attacks down the right breaking down/losing momentum. If we played higher up the pitch it might help him to a degree but I don't think it would eradicate some of the woeful form he has shown lately.

Exiled_red · 17-12-09, 10:38 AM

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I'v actually changed my mind on Kuyt's season. I was thinking he was having a 'mare and he hasn't been very effective but I actually think some aspects of his game have improved and that the failings have been in the team and with his lack of pace.

We play too deep and much like in the past when we used Kuyt right side in a more or less flat midfield four he struggles as his lack of pace means that he is most effective higher up the pitch. That said this season some of his long passing has been excellent, the problem being that we are too deep and tend to have one player isolated up pitch. If we had more and the ball stuck more often I think people would give him more credit. At the minute (a bit like it has been at times for Rooney) workrate is placing Kuyt in positions where he has low odds of really impacting a game.

He is wholly unsuited to playing in a midfield with Lucas and Mascherano so deep but I think we might actually find he is a better player than even last season if we can get the rest of the team playing more in the right areas of the pitch.

I think that's a very good point, I hadn't thought of that. But now you mention it thinking back to last season Kuyt was often the recipient of Alonso's long diagonal passes, these passes from Alonso put Kuyt in the more dangerous positions and led to the large number of assists he got last year. As we've played the majority of the season with Lucas and Mascherano, can't/don't play these type of passes Kuyt is being pushed deep to pick up the ball.

dww · 17-12-09, 11:02 AM

Returning to Ngog:
412 minutes played, 4 goals and 2 assists
That consists of 4 starts (subbed in two), 5 appearances for less than 20 minutes and one further sub appearance
Stats from fantasy.premierleague.com with a but of interpretation from me.

redstaralex · 17-12-09, 01:32 PM

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Returning to Ngog:
412 minutes played, 4 goals and 2 assists
That consists of 4 starts (subbed in two), 5 appearances for less than 20 minutes and one further sub appearance
Stats from fantasy.premierleague.com with a but of interpretation from me.

that's a goal every 103 mins, suspect that's better than Torres ratio, anyone care to get the mins and goals and do the calculation?

Exiled_red · 17-12-09, 01:48 PM

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that's a goal every 103 mins, suspect that's better than Torres ratio, anyone care to get the mins and goals and do the calculation?

If so, you're saying we should drop Torres for Ngog right?

redstaralex · 17-12-09, 01:52 PM

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If so, you're saying we should drop Torres for Ngog right?

no, tit

Exiled_red · 17-12-09, 01:54 PM

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no, tit

Just messing with you (and applying tabloid-like logic

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Parr_Zee · 17-12-09, 11:28 AM

Just posted this on facebook to have a dig at my United supporting mates:

Parr_Zee was just thinking about this:

-David N'Gog cost £1.5m, has started 8 games and 7 as a sub. He has scored 6 goals.

-Dimitar Berbatov cost £32m has started 13 games and 6 as a sub. He has scored 4 goals.

Shaggy · 17-12-09, 11:46 AM

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Just posted this on facebook to have a dig at my United supporting mates:

Parr_Zee was just thinking about this:

-David N'Gog cost £1.5m, has started 8 games and 7 as a sub. He has scored 6 goals.

-Dimitar Berbatov cost £32m has started 13 games and 6 as a sub. He has scored 4 goals.

I know ultimately they can laugh at us for our woeful season, but still....that's nice.

red g · 17-12-09, 11:52 AM

He is good is N'gog....

but he is no wellbeck or macheda........thank fuck

Exiled_red · 17-12-09, 11:58 AM

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He is good is N'gog....

but he is no wellbeck or macheda........thank fuck

dww · 17-12-09, 11:58 AM

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He is good is N'gog....

but he is no wellbeck or macheda........thank fuck

The thing is that a number of United young players have largely escaped criticism as they haven't played full games and when they have it has been in the cups. Ngog hasn't played all that much but enough full games to expose his weaknesses and for his growing pains as a player to be seen by people. He has often looked easy to knock of the ball but as the season has gone on you can see him working on using his body and that sort of thing goes completely unnoticed in the press.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Welbeck and Macheda obviously they are a bit younger than Ngog. It is also worth noting that Ngog had played for Lyon before he came to us whereas those two had no top level experience before getting into the United side. Welbeck I think is destined for a career trajectory similar to that of Kieran Richardson, Macheda I think has a bit more about him than that.

lickedlollipop · 17-12-09, 12:19 PM

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It is also worth noting that Ngog had played for Lyon before he came to us ....

PSG

dww · 17-12-09, 12:20 PM

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PSG

Yeah sorry - the point remains though.

Joe King · 17-12-09, 01:16 PM

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Yeah sorry - the point remains though.

dww admitted his mistake - thats surely a first?

badpiggy · 17-12-09, 03:44 PM

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He is good is N'gog....

but he is no wellbeck or macheda........thank fuck

jesus that macheda cunt has a face like every united wanker that has ever been, all amalgamated into one. just so easy to instantly detest.

red g · 17-12-09, 03:45 PM

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jesus that macheda cunt has a face like every united wanker that has ever been, all amalgamated into one. just so easy to instantly detest.

Exiled_red · 17-12-09, 04:29 PM

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jesus that macheda cunt has a face like every united wanker that has ever been, all amalgamated into one. just so easy to instantly detest.

DannyMan2006 · 17-12-09, 02:34 PM

I still don't think he's good enough to be back up to Torres. Signing a striker should still be our main priority. When we do he has to work hard to make sure he can still get games and improve.

red g · 17-12-09, 03:16 PM

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I still don't think he's good enough to be back up to Torres. Signing a striker should still be our main priority. When we do he has to work hard to make sure he can still get games and improve.

i think signing someone like rvn would be perfect if we have no money.

RVN knows where the back of the net is and ngog woiudl be perfect in the last 30mins to run at tired defenders

dww · 17-12-09, 03:25 PM

I think of this a little differently. I'm still not sold on the idea of a striker being a higher priority than an added creative forward/attacking midfield player but I think having Ngog be as useful a tactical replacement for Torres as we could hope for means that an out and out striker is a more attractive option - although I would still expect Ngog to get more match time. A finisher or target man added to our team now as an impact or additional player for certain situations. RVN could be used as an additional option from the bench now we have 7 subs - either to complement the forward on the pitch or replace with a different style. A player like that might not be able to last many full matches but a lot of goals are scored at the end of matches and predatory instincts are most likely to bring rewards at that point (and in RVNs case his ability to hold up the ball would be a benefit if we were looking to hold onto a lead as well).

I guess in part my judgement is different as I do think that Ngog has shown himself to be a worthy backup to Torres albeit one who would ideally progress further in future.

peekay · 17-12-09, 03:35 PM

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I think of this a little differently. I'm still not sold on the idea of a striker being a higher priority than an added creative forward/attacking midfield player but I think having Ngog be as useful a tactical replacement for Torres as we could hope for means that an out and out striker is a more attractive option - although I would still expect Ngog to get more match time. A finisher or target man added to our team now as an impact or additional player for certain situations. RVN could be used as an additional option from the bench now we have 7 subs - either to complement the forward on the pitch of replace with a different style. A player like that might not be able to last many full matches but a lot of goals are scored at the end of matches and predatory instincts are most likely to bring rewards at that point (and in RVNs case his ability to hold up the ball would be a benefit if we were looking to hold onto a lead as well).

I guess in part my judgement is different as I do think that Ngog has shown himself to be a worthy backup to Torres albeit one who would ideally progress further in future.

We have two leftbacks, one central defender and a goalkeeper on the bench at times. Simply due to the reason that we do not have sufficient options out there. I think Ngog's development will be furthered by learning from RVN.

dizzycat · 17-12-09, 04:41 PM

He really reminds me of Trezeguet and I think he's got the ability to be as good as or possibly better if he develops physically to his full potential. Unlike a few of our recent signings he also "looks like" a Liverpool player if you know what I mean.

Parr_Zee · 17-12-09, 06:07 PM

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He really reminds me of Trezeguet and I think he's got the ability to be as good as or possibly better if he develops physically to his full potential. Unlike a few of our recent signings he also "looks like" a Liverpool player if you know what I mean.

Good comparison (and not just cos they look similar).

Hopefully he can become as deadly as Trezeguet was in his prime!!

Rich · 17-12-09, 08:21 PM

He knows where the goal is and you can't train that - so he has that bit of angel dust and is a converter of chances. How many shots does he miss? How many gilt-edged chances does he not score from? Not many.

Obviously he isn't the finished article but I think he is a good understudy to Torres, in so much as our priority should be getting a player or two in to help create better chances for our striker to slot home.

(...and a player to improve our defence.)

ValueFinder · 17-12-09, 09:25 PM

Shown glimpses that lead me to believe he shouldn't be sent on the first train back to France. The goal against Leeds was very nicely taken and I admit, that swayed me. I didn't think he would have the composure. The Jury is out.