Crowd Trouble Abroad

[Shaggy]

Where did you get those stats from Shaggy? According to the Home Office site, the latest stats I can find (2005-06, published Oct 2006) show that among Premiership clubs Portsmouth have the most Banning Orders (110) with Man Utd second (106) and Tottenham the most arrests (169, up from 93) while Man Utd were second (147, down from 160, the highest figure the year before).

The most banning orders among all clubs are:
Leeds 115
Portsmouth 110
Cardiff 109
Stoke 108
Man Utd 106
Millwall 104

Liverpool has 52 with 16 being imposed in 2005-06.

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DISCLAIMER: these are official Home Office statistics and so are probably not fit for purpose.




Why the hell am I doing this at one in the morning?

They're in the top two of both lists pretty much every year.

[Reece]

And they are the only team in that list that is "representing" the country in Europe.

I won't go as far as some to say that they deserved a beating and stuff, but they are acting like the innocent little victims once again, when they are quite clearly not.

When the scum fan at works arrives this morning i'm gonna batter him with my truncheon

Wait! That came out wrong

[Red_Al_77]

It's strange how the Scottish national team and Celtic can play two major games in Italy in the last month and yet there is no sign of crowd trouble.

As soon as the English turn up it's everyman for themselves while the media in this country continue to portray the forgein police as 'heavy handed' :whatever:

I notice you failed to mention Rangers who were likely to be thrown out if they had got through. Celtic fans are no angels, and as for the Scottish national fans...well when can we have our pitch and crossbar back. People have short memories.

[Shaggy]

Rangers cause trouble wherever they go but these holier-than-thou Scots just brush it under the carpet and pretend it hasn't happened.

Man United fans also got a pasting at Celtic this season.

Aye, they're all charmers.

[ronan]

mancs causing trouble at last 2 euro aways
hardly a coincidence is it?
i'm sure the media will be fawning all over them as usual.

[Neil Young]

Alcohol.

You'd think so but in fact I had only two small bottles of lager at about 10pm.

[Mumsafan]

It's strange how the Scottish national team and Celtic can play two major games in Italy in the last month and yet there is no sign of crowd trouble.

As soon as the English turn up it's everyman for themselves while the media in this country continue to portray the forgein police as 'heavy handed' :whatever:

As I said when you made a comment of this nature in the Manc thread - the first three Manc fans that the News spoke to last night, who'd been in the thick of it at the game, were from Northern Ireland!

[Neil Young]

They're in the top two of both lists pretty much every year.

Yes. I was surprised by your claim and wondered whether you were overstating the case because you're surrounded by Man United fans (Surrey Utd fan jokes notwithstanding).

The figures pretty much vindicate you - certainly they've got the worst record overall (banning orders + arrests). Even if you take into account that they have more fans at home games than anyone else the proportion of banning orders/arrests is considerably worse than LFC's for example.

It is disappointing that this doesn't get a little more coverage. No harm in spreading the facts around the public domain - in fact I think it's our duty.

[Shaggy]

Yes. I was surprised by your claim and wondered whether you were overstating the case because you're surrounded by Man United fans (Surrey Utd fan jokes notwithstanding).

The figures pretty much vindicate you - certainly they've got the worst record overall (banning orders + arrests). Even if you take into account that they have more fans at home games than anyone else the proportion of banning orders/arrests is considerably worse than LFC's for example.

It is disappointing that this doesn't get a little more coverage. No harm in spreading the facts around the public domain - in fact I think it's our duty.

It's quite frustrating isn't it. Can you imagine if we were right up at the top of both lists year on year? Maybe I'm being paranoid but I'm pretty sure the national press would make sure it was a well-known fact.

As things stand, very few people are aware of United's diabolical record with fan behaviour.

[Spionkop69]

It's strange how the Scottish national team and Celtic can play two major games in Italy in the last month and yet there is no sign of crowd trouble.

As soon as the English turn up it's everyman for themselves while the media in this country continue to portray the forgein police as 'heavy handed' :whatever:

Another celt with an axe to grind against England. Good grief, whatever next :whatever:

[Radar]

The one guy that took a good beating actually put his hands on one of the coppers.

I've forwarded the site to my filthy Manc loving uncles in IRELAND

[stevenage_kop]

one of my best mates went to spurs seville last night, he got beaten by the police with batons with a few other blokes because they helping a man who had fallen out his wheelchair and the police was attacking him as he lay on the floor.....this is a f**king disgrace the police made things a million times worse. My mates friend got wacked in the face by a baton .... he now has a broken cheek bone, spanish police = c*nts

[anfieldanfield]

one of my best mates went to spurs seville last night, he got beaten by the police with batons with a few other blokes because they helping a man who had fallen out his wheelchair and the police was attacking him as he lay on the floor.....this is a f**king disgrace the police made things a million times worse. My mates friend got wacked in the face by a baton .... he now has a broken cheek bone, spanish police = c*nts

Sorry mate, the wheelchair incident sounds nasty, but in general the Spurs fans were clearly to blame.

There was little or no conflict with the Sevilla fans and yet somehow the Spurs fans and police suddenly 'clashed'.

Hmmm...

[Shaggy]

Home Secretary John Reid has questioned the way that Italian and Spanish police handled clashes involving fans of British football clubs this week.

He said there were "questions to ask" after baton-wielding officers fought with Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur fans in Rome and Seville.

But Rome's police chief blamed violence in the city on United and its fans.

Achille Serra produced a film showing supporters apparently smashing seats and spitting at officers.

Robust defence

Mr Reid said he would be studying reports from the Metropolitan police as well as from football authorities and British consuls.

He added: "I think that anyone who saw some of these incidents would at least have questions to ask about how they were handled, and we have asked those questions."

Tottenham have claimed that Spanish police hit a disabled fan during Thursday's Uefa Cup tie in Seville.

Riot police charged the away fans midway through the first half of the match, with fighting continuing into the half-time interval.

Spanish overnment official Faustino Valdes blamed drunken Spurs fans, but suporters of the English club said the authorities over-reacted.

Images of police fighting with supporters during Manchester United's 2-1 defeat by Roma on Wednesday evening had led to earlier calls from UK ministers for answers from Italian authorities.

Police had been accused by Manchester United of handing out "indiscriminate beatings" during the Champions League game against Roma.

But Mr Serra, Rome's chief of police, used a press conference on Friday to launch a robust defence of the force's conduct.

He presented journalists with seven minutes of CCTV footage which showed Manchester United supporters acting aggressively, with a number of ringleaders urging other fans forward.

Individual fans were picked out by Mr Serra, including one man - apparently the same as one who had been pictured in the UK media bleeding from the head - throwing objects.

However, the BBC's Christian Fraser, who attended the press conference, said the footage was too grainy to identify the man.

'Hotheads'

Mr Serra added that 300 United supporters had rampaged through the streets of Rome, vandalising bars, throwing bottles and clashing with rival fans.

A letter issued by Manchester United which warned fans that they might be attacked in Rome was blamed by Mr Serra for inciting trouble.

He said: he was worried that this would "incite the Roma hotheads who are not very well educated."

He also waved photographs of clashes involving Tottenham fans in Seville, and said the complaint from the British was the same.

Following the incidents, three English fans have been banned from football stadia in Italy for three years, local media reported.

The three fans have been released from custody but will face trial in November, an Italian newspaper said. The reports could not immediately be confirmed.

Uefa is to investigate the trouble involving many fans from both sides and campaign group Amnesty International backed calls for an inquiry.

In February the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) suspended all matches after a policeman was killed at a game between Catania and Palermo.

Three Middlesbrough fans were stabbed and 10 others hurt during fights with Roma fans at a Uefa Cup quarter-final last year.

[spud_gun]

Another celt with an axe to grind against England. Good grief, whatever next :whatever:

Given that you so eloquently put your argument across I can’t help but admit that I, along with all foreign police forces, have an axe to grind against the English.