David Ngog

[Roboklopp]

I'm sure he's started 8 games and scored 6 goals. He's our joint 2nd top scorer. Not sure how many games he's been involved in total.

Dont rememebr him making much impact as a sub, but then I've not been paying as much attention as I usually do this season for some reason...

[Exiled_red]

Dont rememebr him making much impact as a sub, but then I've not been paying as much attention as I usually do this season for some reason...

What about against the scum you can't have forgotten that

[MrMichael]

He's shown real mental maturity this season, sure he's by no means the finished article but he's really blossoming with increased time on the pitch.

Definitely one of the brightest points about this season so far.

[Roboklopp]

What about against the scum you can't have forgotten that

Oh aye...oops.

[Mike]

Lads doing well, baring in mind he is only 20 he is going to be very, very good in a few years. Bargain.

[Nick77]

Lads doing well, baring in mind he is only 20 he is going to be very, very good in a few years. Bargain.

And thank God he's showing such promise as Kuyt is just going backwards all the time! It's was so frustrating how many times he kept losing the ball!

[Scratch]

And thank God he's showing such promise as Kuyt is just going backwards all the time! It's was so frustrating how many times he kept losing the ball!

Really? I thought Kuyt was a good part of all our build up play, linked well with N'Gog. The main ball-giving-away-culprit last night was Benny...always one touch too many for my liking, but still a good display from him.

Kuyt could play 40 passes, misplace 1 and people would say he kept giving the ball away, cos that pass will stick in their minds.

[dww]

Really? I thought Kuyt was a good part of all our build up play, linked well with N'Gog. The main ball-giving-away-culprit last night was Benny...always one touch too many for my liking, but still a good display from him.

Kuyt could play 40 passes, misplace 1 and people would say he kept giving the ball away, cos that pass will stick in their minds.

I've actually changed my mind on Kuyt's season. I was thinking he was having a 'mare and he hasn't been very effective but I actually think some aspects of his game have improved and that the failings have been in the team and with his lack of pace.

We play too deep and much like in the past when we used Kuyt right side in a more or less flat midfield four he struggles as his lack of pace means that he is most effective higher up the pitch. That said this season some of his long passing has been excellent, the problem being that we are too deep and tend to have one player isolated up pitch. If we had more and the ball stuck more often I think people would give him more credit. At the minute (a bit like it has been at times for Rooney) workrate is placing Kuyt in positions where he has low odds of really impacting a game.

He is wholly unsuited to playing in a midfield with Lucas and Mascherano so deep but I think we might actually find he is a better player than even last season if we can get the rest of the team playing more in the right areas of the pitch.

[The Erectile Banana]

He's shown real mental maturity this season, sure he's by no means the finished article but he's really blossoming with increased time on the pitch.

Definitely one of the brightest points about this season so far.

He has really grabbed his chance with both hands. His goals have bred confidence and I think he'll improve even more by the end of the season.

I'v actually changed my mind on Kuyt's season. I was thinking he was having a 'mare and he hasn't been very effective but I actually think some aspects of his game have improved and that the failings have been in the team and with his lack of pace.

We play too deep and much like in the past when we used Kuyt right side in a more or less flat midfield four he struggles as his lack of pace means that he is most effective higher up the pitch. That said this season some of his long passing has been excellent, the problem being that we are too deep and tend to have one player isolated up pitch. If we had more and the ball stuck more often I think people would give him more credit. At the minute (a bit like it has been at times for Rooney) workrate is placing Kuyt in positions where he has low odds of really impacting a game.

He is wholly unsuited to playing in a midfield with Lucas and Mascherano so deep but I think we might actually find he is a better player than even last season if we can get the rest of the team playing more in the right areas of the pitch.

I can see where you coming from and don't want to get involved in another Kuyt debate but surely his major problem is his poor first touch that leads to so many of our attacks down the right breaking down/losing momentum. If we played higher up the pitch it might help him to a degree but I don't think it would eradicate some of the woeful form he has shown lately.

[Exiled_red]

I'v actually changed my mind on Kuyt's season. I was thinking he was having a 'mare and he hasn't been very effective but I actually think some aspects of his game have improved and that the failings have been in the team and with his lack of pace.

We play too deep and much like in the past when we used Kuyt right side in a more or less flat midfield four he struggles as his lack of pace means that he is most effective higher up the pitch. That said this season some of his long passing has been excellent, the problem being that we are too deep and tend to have one player isolated up pitch. If we had more and the ball stuck more often I think people would give him more credit. At the minute (a bit like it has been at times for Rooney) workrate is placing Kuyt in positions where he has low odds of really impacting a game.

He is wholly unsuited to playing in a midfield with Lucas and Mascherano so deep but I think we might actually find he is a better player than even last season if we can get the rest of the team playing more in the right areas of the pitch.

I think that's a very good point, I hadn't thought of that. But now you mention it thinking back to last season Kuyt was often the recipient of Alonso's long diagonal passes, these passes from Alonso put Kuyt in the more dangerous positions and led to the large number of assists he got last year. As we've played the majority of the season with Lucas and Mascherano, can't/don't play these type of passes Kuyt is being pushed deep to pick up the ball.

[dww]

I can see where you coming from and don't want to get involved in another Kuyt debate but surely his major problem is his poor first touch that leads to so many of our attacks down the right breaking down/losing momentum. If we played higher up the pitch it might help him to a degree but I don't think it would eradicate some of the woeful form he has shown lately.

I would be interested to see an analysis of this - in the final third I would be willing to bet that he is no worse than any other player (with rare exceptions like Ronaldo or Giggs) but deep I agree it is a problem. I think it is one linked to what I was talking about though - he isn't able to take a man on for pace deep and so has to be looking for a quick pass - there are rarely options and the hesitation causes him problems - his first time passing is generally excellent.

[dww]

Returning to Ngog:
412 minutes played, 4 goals and 2 assists
That consists of 4 starts (subbed in two), 5 appearances for less than 20 minutes and one further sub appearance
Stats from fantasy.premierleague.com with a but of interpretation from me.

[Parr_Zee]

Just posted this on facebook to have a dig at my United supporting mates:

Parr_Zee was just thinking about this:

-David N'Gog cost £1.5m, has started 8 games and 7 as a sub. He has scored 6 goals.

-Dimitar Berbatov cost £32m has started 13 games and 6 as a sub. He has scored 4 goals.

[Shaggy]

Just posted this on facebook to have a dig at my United supporting mates:

Parr_Zee was just thinking about this:

-David N'Gog cost £1.5m, has started 8 games and 7 as a sub. He has scored 6 goals.

-Dimitar Berbatov cost £32m has started 13 games and 6 as a sub. He has scored 4 goals.

I know ultimately they can laugh at us for our woeful season, but still....that's nice.

[red g]

He is good is N'gog....

but he is no wellbeck or macheda........thank **** :bird: