David Ngog

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He is good is N'gog....

but he is no wellbeck or macheda........thank **** :bird:

[dww]

He is good is N'gog....

but he is no wellbeck or macheda........thank **** :bird:

The thing is that a number of United young players have largely escaped criticism as they haven't played full games and when they have it has been in the cups. Ngog hasn't played all that much but enough full games to expose his weaknesses and for his growing pains as a player to be seen by people. He has often looked easy to knock of the ball but as the season has gone on you can see him working on using his body and that sort of thing goes completely unnoticed in the press.

It will be interesting to see what happens to Welbeck and Macheda obviously they are a bit younger than Ngog. It is also worth noting that Ngog had played for Lyon before he came to us whereas those two had no top level experience before getting into the United side. Welbeck I think is destined for a career trajectory similar to that of Kieran Richardson, Macheda I think has a bit more about him than that.

[lickedlollipop]

It is also worth noting that Ngog had played for Lyon before he came to us ....

PSG

[dww]

PSG

Yeah sorry - the point remains though.

[Joe King]

Yeah sorry - the point remains though.

dww admitted his mistake - thats surely a first?

[redstaralex]

Returning to Ngog:
412 minutes played, 4 goals and 2 assists
That consists of 4 starts (subbed in two), 5 appearances for less than 20 minutes and one further sub appearance
Stats from fantasy.premierleague.com with a but of interpretation from me.

that's a goal every 103 mins, suspect that's better than Torres ratio, anyone care to get the mins and goals and do the calculation?

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that's a goal every 103 mins, suspect that's better than Torres ratio, anyone care to get the mins and goals and do the calculation?

If so, you're saying we should drop Torres for Ngog right?

[redstaralex]

If so, you're saying we should drop Torres for Ngog right?

no, tit

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no, tit

Just messing with you (and applying tabloid-like logic )

[peekay]

His all round game needs a lot of development though the raw materials are present. Add to that he has a good head on his shoulder and a willingness to learn. He also needs to learn when to lay off and make a run and when to take on the defender. Though I see huge improvement in his all round play this season. The thing about Ngog is that:

He does not posses huge amounts of trickery- though he does know a few tricks and can showboat at times.
He is not exceedingly pacy - but he has decent pace.
He is not exceedingly physical - but he has a tall frame and can be an awkward presence for the defender. Hopefully he will develop that side of the game and can dominate defenses.

He reminds of diet-Zlatan at times.

But put him inside the opposition box and he has this nice habit of being able to put the ball into the net. He has very good positional sense inside the penalty box. This is something which cannot be coached.

I am still not sure if he will develop into a 40 million pound striker. But I am reasonably confident that he will develop into a useful player who can hold his own in Europe's top leagues. He does not have one attribute which is outstanding and obvious though he is very good in a number of attributes needed for a top striker.

That could be one reason why he has not been praised by the Sky and BBC. As he is not exactly a highlights player. You need to watch him over a period of time, understand what role he is playing for the team, how difficult it is for a youngster to play that role. It actually requires observing, storing information in the grey matter, occasionally engaging in a process known as thinking and then formulating opinions - something which the punditry seem to be incapable off.

[DannyMan2006]

I still don't think he's good enough to be back up to Torres. Signing a striker should still be our main priority. When we do he has to work hard to make sure he can still get games and improve.

[red g]

I still don't think he's good enough to be back up to Torres. Signing a striker should still be our main priority. When we do he has to work hard to make sure he can still get games and improve.

i think signing someone like rvn would be perfect if we have no money.

RVN knows where the back of the net is and ngog woiudl be perfect in the last 30mins to run at tired defenders

[dww]

I think of this a little differently. I'm still not sold on the idea of a striker being a higher priority than an added creative forward/attacking midfield player but I think having Ngog be as useful a tactical replacement for Torres as we could hope for means that an out and out striker is a more attractive option - although I would still expect Ngog to get more match time. A finisher or target man added to our team now as an impact or additional player for certain situations. RVN could be used as an additional option from the bench now we have 7 subs - either to complement the forward on the pitch or replace with a different style. A player like that might not be able to last many full matches but a lot of goals are scored at the end of matches and predatory instincts are most likely to bring rewards at that point (and in RVNs case his ability to hold up the ball would be a benefit if we were looking to hold onto a lead as well).

I guess in part my judgement is different as I do think that Ngog has shown himself to be a worthy backup to Torres albeit one who would ideally progress further in future.

[peekay]

I think of this a little differently. I'm still not sold on the idea of a striker being a higher priority than an added creative forward/attacking midfield player but I think having Ngog be as useful a tactical replacement for Torres as we could hope for means that an out and out striker is a more attractive option - although I would still expect Ngog to get more match time. A finisher or target man added to our team now as an impact or additional player for certain situations. RVN could be used as an additional option from the bench now we have 7 subs - either to complement the forward on the pitch of replace with a different style. A player like that might not be able to last many full matches but a lot of goals are scored at the end of matches and predatory instincts are most likely to bring rewards at that point (and in RVNs case his ability to hold up the ball would be a benefit if we were looking to hold onto a lead as well).

I guess in part my judgement is different as I do think that Ngog has shown himself to be a worthy backup to Torres albeit one who would ideally progress further in future.

We have two leftbacks, one central defender and a goalkeeper on the bench at times. Simply due to the reason that we do not have sufficient options out there. I think Ngog's development will be furthered by learning from RVN.

[SK]

Another goal for the lad tonight, yet people (like that sarcy cunt on BBC) don't seem to rate him at all and laugh him off.

Tell you what, I'm sure if he was playing for United, Chelsea or Arsenal - and putting in the performances that he is right now - then the media would be creaming themselves over this next 'wonderkid'

Be interesting to see how he develops over the next few seasons, as he looks a bargain so far (although it's early days yet). Well in chap, keep it up

i was watching last night's match via stream, and i got ESPN, and to be fair those two commentators were praising N'gog a lot, and said he's had a very good season. so there is some praise, but i agree if he were at arse or scum he'd get a lot more attention, but what can you do. the lad is having a fantastic season, and i hope it continues.