Glen Johnson

[Keyser Soze]

Eh? not really. Mine was a lame joke. Not trying to help anyone, let alone a 'fellow Rodgers fanboi'.

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick.

Anyway, my post before the one that seems to have riled you was a rare attempt of mine to actually make a footballing point.

Do you agree that a lot of Johnson's decline was concentration, lack of recovery pace (or effort) and **** distribution? And if so, do you blame Rodgers for that?

His lack of brains (concentration primarily) is all Johnson.
If however he was coached by a Jose Pullis (see what i did there ) would he have been as ****? I don't think so.

Rafa got Djimi and Igor to win the CL ffs and they were far worse players than Johnson, look at some of the old timers ploughing their trade at Juve still.

With the coaching and mentoring you can make average players look good (Lovren), you can mask deficiencies/play to the teams/players strengths.

I don't think Rodgers has helped him (Gerrard + others) when it comes to this.

But nevermind i obviously don't have a relevant point, so carry on

[EwarWoo]

But nevermind i obviously don't have a relevant point, so carry on

Finally he gets it

[Keyser Soze]

Finally he gets it

and now you can return to your cave with your 'Friends'

[Paddy]

I called him John Glenson to someone at work just now. FFS.

[Saveloy]

His lack of brains (concentration primarily) is all Johnson.
If however he was coached by a Jose Pullis (see what i did there ) would he have been as ****? I don't think so.

Rafa got Djimi and Igor to win the CL ffs and they were far worse players than Johnson, look at some of the old timers ploughing their trade at Juve still.

With the coaching and mentoring you can make average players look good (Lovren), you can mask deficiencies/play to the teams/players strengths.

I don't think Rodgers has helped him (Gerrard + others) when it comes to this.

But nevermind i obviously don't have a relevant point, so carry on

Fair enough. I get where you're coming from, just don't really agree. I think it's more Glen than Rodgers, you think it's the other way. No need to get het up about it.

:edit: Although in the interest of balance, EwarWoo has been repeatedly poking you with a sharp stick in this thread.

[Keyser Soze]

Fair enough. I get where you're coming from, just don't really agree. I think it's more Glen than Rodgers, you think it's the other way. No need to get het up about it.

:edit: Although in the interests of balance, EwarWoo has been repeatedly poking you with a sharp stick in this thread.

Fair do's

This is a football thread, if you have an opinion on the subject - post it, if you don't agree with a point debate it.

Don't get me wrong i like a piss take as much as the next guy. Just to say a differing point of view is complete bollocks is what pisses me off.

We're superior to you as you're wools or we love Rodgers, or you're to negative to be 'supporters' or we didn't want Rafa sacked and now look where we are, or he's my mate from the Inane thread etc etc - it's bull****.

I've tried again to say the defensive problems is the root to many of our problems, but **** you you're wrong - wtf

[EwarWoo]

and now you can return to your cave with your 'Friends'

Cheers

[EwarWoo]

I've tried again to say the defensive problems is the root to many of our problems, but **** you you're wrong - wtf

That I agree with, but to say BR is responsible for GJ's decline is the part which is bollocks, you still haven't really come up with any logic how you came up with that viewpoint, other then "duh, coincidence, becos!".

It's the usual negative bollocks..

There are many things to right bash BR with. But now bashing BR is in fashion people are looking for all sorts of tenuous ****e to add to the pile.

He's still our manager. Love him or hate him, let's at least keep some sense to it yeah?

[Keyser Soze]

That I agree with, but to say BR is responsible for GJ's decline is the part which is bollocks, you still haven't really come up with any logic how you came up with that viewpoint, other then "duh, coincidence, becos!".

It's the usual negative bollocks..

There are many things to right bash BR with. But now bashing BR is in fashion people are looking for all sorts of tenuous ****e to add to the pile.

He's still our manager. Love him or hate him, let's at least keep some sense to it yeah?

and i've said to you not one of our defenders have looked very reliable with Rodgers as manager but have done well with other managers.
Is that coincidence? all of them?

Had we not conceded 50 goals when Suarez was here we would have easily won the league.

[Norbs]

9.36

Was Glen Johnson a better player before or after Rodgers took over?
Did his decline coincide with Rodgers's stint as manager?
Has the defence been acceptable during his time as manager?
Has any defender come out with any credit during his time as manager?

You don't have a point, you're just being a dick as i said earlier

9.52

A lot, albeit not all, of Johnson's decline seem to be personal to him and not a lot to do with Rodgers.

His positioning problems may well have been a symptom of problems with the wider defence but his massive lapses of concentration, his lack of recovery pace or willing effort to get back, and his at times abysmal distribution are hard to pin on Rodgers.

He used to be really good. He got pretty **** quite abruptly.

9.53

Dunno which is worse, if you're trolling or if you're really this dumb.

Inadvertent Saveloy sandwich

[EwarWoo]

and i've said to you not one of our defenders have looked very reliable with Rodgers as manager but have done well with other managers.
Is that coincidence? all of them?

Had we not conceded 50 goals when Suarez was here we would have easily won the league.

I don't think it is entirely coincidence. But as I say, I still think it's a stretch to say BR is responsible for GJ's decline.

It's looking for a stick to beat him with.

[EwarWoo]

Inadvertent Saveloy sandwich

Om nom nom

[Daniel 7]

The culmination of injuries and the passing of time were Glen's biggest enemies - they are what caused his downfall, not Brendan Rodgers's defensive methods. I also wonder that as his body changed with age, he had to adapt training methods to compensate for it, because by the back end of his Liverpool career, he was a lot more top heavy and muscular than when he arrived. Maybe he was compensating for a lack of pace with a stronger upper body strength, I dunno. Might be coincidence as well.

Its a bit daft to blame Brendan though, he got older during Brendan's time, players drop off when that happens. Steven Gerrard dropped off last season too, so by that logic, Brendan has a lot to answer for.

[Keyser Soze]

The culmination of injuries and the passing of time were Glen's biggest enemies - they are what caused his downfall, not Brendan Rodgers's defensive methods. I also wonder that as his body changed with age, he had to adapt training methods to compensate for it, because by the back end of his Liverpool career, he was a lot more top heavy and muscular than when he arrived. Maybe he was compensating for a lack of pace with a stronger upper body strength, I dunno. Might be coincidence as well.

Its a bit daft to blame Brendan though, he got older during Brendan's time, players drop off when that happens. Steven Gerrard dropped off last season too, so by that logic, Brendan has a lot to answer for.

Ivanovich at Chelsea is the same age as Johnson, he hasn't dropped off?
How many years did Giggs go on for? he was managed well as he got older, can we say the same about Gerrard?

[Daniel 7]

Here's a thing, not all players are the same!