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    #31
    Not thrilled at the thoughts of Warnock back at LFC, he is better than The Konch (not hard really) and a better 'defender' than Johnson but he is still an average run of the mill player, and IMO would represent yet another stop gap player in a position that really needs to be nailed down.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Daniel Torres View Post
      I remember the game. Don't think its fair to bring that up though, he was making his debut after a big money move and was only 18/19. Its well known he couldn't cope with the pressure @ Chelsea.
      He was 19, not much younger than Kelly is now.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Rudo View Post
        Evidence?

        Well if it was only 18 minutes, Diouf still ripped Johnson apart.

        Glen Johnson has always been a liability defensively, and at 26, that won't change.
        He doesn't have the positional sense, the intelligence and the discipline to be a good DEFENDER.
        English Premier - KO 16:05
        Liverpool 1 (0) - 2 (1) Chelsea
        Owen 79 (p)
        Veron 25
        Hasselbaink 87

        At Anfield on 17-08-2003



        Liverpool: Dudek, Carragher, Henchoz (Finnan, 70 ) , Hyypia, Riise, Kewell, Murphy, Biscan (Baros, 70 ) , Cheyrou (Diouf, 55 ) , Owen, Heskey
        Subs not used: Kirkland,Le Tallec,

        Chelsea: Cudicini, Johnson ( Gallas, 73 ) , Terry, Desailly, Bridge, Gronkjaer, Geremi, Veron, Lampard, Duff ( Cole, 75 ) , Gudjohnsen ( Hasselbaink, 45 )
        Subs not used: Ambrosio, Forssell,

        Just to be clear in case it needs pointing out (I suspect it does), Spit the dog casme on after 55 minutes, Johnson was taken off after 73.

        So lets get this straight, you are basing some of your thoughts on his defensive ability on 18 minutes of a debut at 19 yrs old, against a player who was fresh whereas he was 55 mins into his debut? Are you really saying that or am I misinterpreting something?

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          #34
          So if Diouf ripped him apart, wouldn't that suggest he was playing out of position at left back, seeing as we generally played Diouf wide right?

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            #35
            Originally posted by danperkins View Post
            Not thrilled at the thoughts of Warnock back at LFC, he is better than The Konch (not hard really) and a better 'defender' than Johnson but he is still an average run of the mill player, and IMO would represent yet another stop gap player in a position that really needs to be nailed down.
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              #36
              Superb find

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                #37
                Originally posted by Rudo View Post
                He was 19, not much younger than Kelly is now.
                Kelly's been brought through a system in an environment he is comfortable with. Also thats not taking the maturity of people at formative ages into account. Some people have a lot of growing up to do at 18/19. Some are adults already.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by nbryan1764 View Post

                  Just to be clear in case it needs pointing out (I suspect it does), Spit the dog casme on after 55 minutes, Johnson was taken off after 73.

                  So lets get this straight, you are basing some of your thoughts on his defensive ability on 18 minutes of a debut at 19 yrs old, against a player who was fresh whereas he was 55 mins into his debut? Are you really saying that or am I misinterpreting something?

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                    #39
                    Nah Diouf played on the left that day.

                    Remember it well, cracking match actually. We were unlucky to lose.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Daniel Torres View Post
                      So if Diouf ripped him apart, wouldn't that suggest he was playing out of position at left back, seeing as we generally played Diouf wide right?
                      no he wasnt, it didnt happen, Kewell played left that day

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Daniel Torres View Post
                        Kelly's been brought through a system in an environment he is comfortable with. Also thats not taking the maturity of people at formative ages into account. Some people have a lot of growing up to do at 18/19. Some are adults already.
                        Environment ffs, Chelsea bought him when he was 19 for £6million, yes £6million for a 19 year old

                        The fact is, you can see Kelly is a proper defender even at his tender age, whereas with Johnson the writing's been on the wall for years and years now.

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                          #42
                          Rudo, you have officially been owned!

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                            #43
                            Diouf came on and played wide left.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Daniel Torres View Post
                              Rudo, you have officially been owned!
                              Not for the first time. He carries on though, despite every man and his dog (AKA Neil Young) telling him he's wrong

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Rudo View Post
                                Environment ffs, Chelsea bought him when he was 19 for £6million, yes £6million for a 19 year old

                                The fact is, you can see Kelly is a proper defender even at his tender age, whereas with Johnson the writing's been on the wall for years and years now.
                                Don't get your point there really?

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