VAR thread

[Red_Polo]

Disagree there. Fans, players, coaches, pundits are all definitely annoyed that what would have been previously considered as level is now being given as offside.



We thought VAR was going to help correct clear mistakes. None of those 5 goals scored at the weekend would be have been considered as mistakes last season (had they stood) as they were all essentially level. Not one of them was a clear offside.



Had Pukki scored the same goal last season and it it was disallowed by the on field officials, everyone would’ve been saying that’s exactly that type of thing VAR will fix.

Fans: VAR please sort these ****ing offside mistakes out for us

VAR: catches loads of offsides that might have been let slide

Fans: Yeah but let some of them go like

[Exiled_red]

I have a very easy fix

Use the same technology that's used for the ball crossing the line. Put sensors into all the players boots (similarly to what's in the ball).

If a players foot (sensor) is in an offside position - then the player is offside. None of this any part of the body that call play the ball lark.


that way, technology can make a completely unbias decision - we know contact on the ball from the sensor in the ball and we can tell which foot is furthest up the pitch. Completely emotionless and optionless decision

I don't think that technology for something like this exists, and would be much more complicated than you suggest to implement. Firstly you would need to calibrate the sensor in every players boot to the monitoring system in the stadium, this would need to be done for every player in the matchday squad, that's 36 players, or 72 boots all of which need to be accurately synchronized to report data at the same time so that you can map the players at the same moment. This would be a nightmare to set up every game and with so many sensors there is a good chance something goes wrong. What happens if players need to change their boots or if the sensor gets damaged.

Then there is how you actually go about determining when the ball is played, you seem to suggest some sensor determining when the boot and ball are in contact, what happens if the ball is played with a head, chest or knee etc?

[topscorer]

Ok, so you have sensors in boots but what are you using as a directional reference to determine 'in front'?

A geo locator like GPS but you can setup a local now accurate system across the pitch

[topscorer]

This stupidity of when the ref blows the whistle also needs looking at...



If he'd have blown before manes goal had crossed the line, blowing for the "handball" off lallama's shoulder, then apparently it wouldnt have been a goal even if VAR had said it wasnt handball.



****ing madness really.

In that case it's about training the referees.

If he blows the whistle the goal cannot stand because once the referee blows the whistle players might stop playing because the game has been stopped.

You can't allow a walk in goal because the referee made a mistake blowing the whistle

[Mark79]

Fans: VAR please sort these ****ing offside mistakes out for us

VAR: catches loads of offsides that might have been let slide

Fans: Yeah but let some of them go like

Like I said though, these examples were never considered to be mistakes.

This is what the IFAB are talking about.

[rodo]

And it strikes again 🙄

[Mark79]

[ame]https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/1212354287134793728[/ame]

I mean, for **** sake.

Beyond ****ing ridiculous.

[Assassin]

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/...54287134793728

I mean, for **** sake.

Beyond ****ing ridiculous.

Thats just ****ed up

[ChesterDave]

A geo locator like GPS but you can setup a local now accurate system across the pitch

Every player would need at least 4 sensors and they would need to be built in to boots. Not practical really.

[Harv]

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/...54287134793728

I mean, for **** sake.

Beyond ****ing ridiculous.

Offside because he wears size 12's and the other guys in size 9's

[vlahka]

When growing up as a young boy I used to think offside was if the attackers front foot was in front of the defenders closest foot. I demand this change.

[Buzzo]

It sure if this clears it up or make sit more complex. Seems as if it’s a tight call the ref should take a look at whether he is over turning and go and look at the monitor rather than let VAR go forensic.

The International Football Association Board's general secretary Lukas Brud said last week that officials on the pitch and monitoring cameras should not become "too forensic" over offsides or any other decisions.

"Clear and obvious still remains - it's an important principle. There should not be a lot of time spent to find something marginal," Brud told the PA news agency. "If you spend multiple minutes trying to identify whether it is offside or not, then it's not clear and obvious and the original decision should stand," he said.

"If something is not clear on the first sight, then it's not obvious and it shouldn't be considered. Looking at one camera angle is one thing but looking at 15, trying to find something that was potentially not even there, this was not the idea of the VAR principle. It should be clear and obvious.

"What we really need to stress is that clear and obvious applies to every single situation that is being reviewed by the VAR or the referee," he added.

"In theory one millimetre offside is offside, but if a decision is taken that a player is not offside and the VAR is trying to identify through looking at five, six, seven, 10, 12 cameras whether or not it was offside, then the original decision should stand.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-could-stripped-var-21196526

[Mark79]

It sure if this clears it up or make sit more complex. Seems as if it’s a tight call the ref should take a look at whether he is over turning and go and look at the monitor rather than let VAR go forensic.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...d-var-21196526

Same quotes as from the BBC article a couple of days ago.

I think actually following these guidelines would be a massive step in the right direction. Doesn't even necessarily mean the ref having to go to the monitor, just that the VAR officials should be advising if there's a clear error from the replays instead of going forensic to find a 1mm offside heel or armpit.

[Buzzo]

Same quotes as from the BBC article a couple of days ago.

I think actually following these guidelines would be a massive step in the right direction. Doesn't even necessarily mean the ref having to go to the monitor, just that the VAR officials should be advising if there's a clear error from the replays instead of going forensic to find a 1mm offside heel or armpit.

Basically as soon as they feel the need to zoom in they can instead say ‘it’s not clear and obvious’ decision stands...

It doesn’t seem all that difficult?

[Mark79]

Basically as soon as they feel the need to zoom in they can instead say ‘it’s not clear and obvious’ decision stands...

It doesn’t seem all that difficult?

The refs in the VAR room are making a complete mess of how it's intended to be used. Are they deliberately trying to sabotage VAR, or just think they know better?

IFAB should be intervening immediately instead of letting this continue as it is for another 2 months.