VAR thread

[Buzzo]

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[Buzzo]

It definitely could work. But it won’t. There is no common sense and more than enough time has passed now to enable it to be working correctly. I don’t think they are looking at it with a realistic view on what VAR should be there to do. Assist, not over rule.

[Fredo]

Just bin it off, stop trying to get it to work. It won't.

And then you'll be complaining that we should have had a decision for us anyway. We need to keep it and improve it.

[BobTheCharmer]

And then you'll be complaining that we should have had a decision for us anyway. We need to keep it and improve it.

You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

VAR are trying to make decisions that are always open to conjecture. That can never be anything but bull****. Then to counter the ****e they use offside to the smallest pixel when no one wants it. What's it achieved? Has it improved the game? You can't celebrate a goal anymore without waiting for a var check. That's it, games dead from that point.

[Fredo]

You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.

VAR are trying to make decisions that are always open to conjecture. That can never be anything but bull****. Then to counter the ****e they use offside to the smallest pixel when no one wants it. What's it achieved? Has it improved the game? You can't celebrate a goal anymore without waiting for a var check. That's it, games dead from that point.

How can it be opened to conjecture if implemented correctly? At least now they are reviewing decisions when before there was none of that, other than the referee's judgement in the moment. There are issues, of that there is no doubt, but this is the way forward and they need to make it work at the end of the day.

I can't stop you moaning Bob. Without VAR you'll still be at it. That's what you do best.

[Zapater]

Wasn't watching properly but looks like Man Utd donated another pen among everything. How is that clear and obvious? Barely touched him.

[BobTheCharmer]

How can it be opened to conjecture if implemented correctly? At least now they are reviewing decisions when before there was none of that, other than the referee's judgement in the moment. There are issues, of that there is no doubt, but this is the way forward and they need to make it work at the end of the day.

I can't stop you moaning Bob. Without VAR you'll still be at it. That's what you do best.

I hate VAR. Every single facet of it i disagree with. I'll ignore the rest of your post since it's personal, and has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread or subject.

[Slinky Skills]

You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.



VAR are trying to make decisions that are always open to conjecture. That can never be anything but bull****. Then to counter the ****e they use offside to the smallest pixel when no one wants it. What's it achieved? Has it improved the game? You can't celebrate a goal anymore without waiting for a var check. That's it, games dead from that point.

I'm inclined to agree I have to admit.

[BobTheCharmer]

I'm inclined to agree I have to admit.

Careful mate, the mighty bush will be after you soon, sorry I meant Fred.

[Fredo]

Careful mate, the mighty bush will be after you soon, sorry I meant Fred.

Going back to the discussion, VAR has to work long term. I cannot see us going back. With the scrutiny, they will have to implement clear rules around specifics such as today and instead of the VAR official overruling the referee in certain situations, but have a clear protocol in place for situations like today. The technology has to be better as well for sure.

As for the release of joy after a goal and then having a nagging feeling the goal could be disallowed and ruining the enjoyment, I personally don't care as long as the decision is the correct one.

[BobTheCharmer]

Going back to the discussion, VAR has to work long term. I cannot see us going back. With the scrutiny, they will have to implement clear rules around specifics such as today and instead of the VAR official overruling the referee in certain situations, but have a clear protocol in place for situations like today. The technology has to be better as well for sure.

As for the release of joy after a goal and then having a nagging feeling the goal could be disallowed and ruining the enjoyment, I personally don't care as long as the decision is the correct one.

The problem is, often with tackles in the box or outside, 10 different people could all have a different take on certain situations. Sometimes you'll never get a unified decision. That's football. Has someone punched it in the net? 100% accuracy, did it cross the line? 100% accuracy. Was it a dive? 60/40 55/45 at best. You don't even get agreement on here with fans of the same team.

[Exiled_red]

Do we still have the 'clear and obvious' thing because if you have to look at something 4 times from different angles and in slow motion to determine if it was or wasn't a foul then it isn't clear and obvious. Because I don't know anymore But that's the least of my complaints about it.

The handball rule is a joke now, admittedly this is due to the rules but these rule changes wouldn't have come about without the ability of VAR to review them.

And the offside rule is even worse that certainly doesn't have any clear and obvious element to it. I mentioned last season that there is no way that you can get the accuracy from it to make the tight calls that they are making. The speed that a player is moving means that in most situations you probably can't determine the offsides to more than a couple of inches often worse (based on the distance players travel between frames) and that is assuming that you can get the lines perfect (which you can't). You can't make these types of decisions with the degree of uncertainty that these systems have.

I don't have a problem with the principle of VAR but it is not being used correctly or within it's limits.

[Fredo]

The problem is, often with tackles in the box or outside, 10 different people could all have a different take on certain situations. Sometimes you'll never get a unified decision. That's football. Has someone punched it in the net? 100% accuracy, did it cross the line? 100% accuracy. Was it a dive? 60/40 55/45 at best. You don't even get agreement on here with fans of the same team.

With the proper technology and implementation, most decisions should be clear and unequivocal. I always feel that VAR is exposing the flaws in the rules of the game as well more than the issue being VAR itself. It's been a couple of years or less before it has been implemented fully here and I didn't expect it to be without flaws straight away. I would give it time as I would be surprised if we went back to anything like what it was before.

[BobTheCharmer]

With the proper technology and implementation, most decisions should be clear and unequivocal. I always feel that VAR is exposing the flaws in the rules of the game as well more than the issue being VAR itself. It's been a couple of years or less before it has been implemented fully here and I didn't expect it to be without flaws straight away. I would give it time as I would be surprised if we went back to anything like what it was before.

Football is about emotion. Without it, which lets be honest without fans it is, its ****. Var takes away, in fact kills emotion. So it can't be anything but a bad thing for the game.

[Fredo]

Football is about emotion. Without it, which lets be honest without fans it is, its ****. Var takes away, in fact kills emotion. So it can't be anything but a bad thing for the game.

Emotion is even more to the fore with VAR. Each game I feel like I'm riding Disney's biggest rollercoaster.