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[Mattshark]

Dont get snarky mate

I meant if Chelsea decide to sit back and just counter attack, we're pretty much gone. Our defense isnt the fastest and with their love of zonal marking its very easy for someone to get past them. How many times have we seen Hyypia or someone just raise their hand for offside and not bother running after someone when they were actually onside? I hope the entire team doesnt push forward like usual and leave us totally exposed.

Yes but our defence is very rarely exposed like that, even without pace, hence we concede so few goals.

[NICKZS]

Dont get snarky mate

I meant if Chelsea decide to sit back and just counter attack, we're pretty much gone. Our defense isnt the fastest and with their love of zonal marking its very easy for someone to get past them. How many times have we seen Hyypia or someone just raise their hand for offside and not bother running after someone when they were actually onside? I hope the entire team doesnt push forward like usual and leave us totally exposed.

I think that has more to do with Hyypia's ever-waning pace than our team's defensive strategy

[Neil Young]

Yes but our defence is very rarely exposed like that, even without pace, hence we concede so few goals.

Which are the quickest counterattacking teams in the Premiership?

Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea.

Which teams do we have the worst records against in the Premership?

Er...

[Mattshark]

Which are the quickest counterattacking teams in the Premiership?

Arsenal, Manchester United and Chelsea.

Which teams do we have the worst records against in the Premership?

Er...

Yes, but only of those teams scored against us using couter attack, neither Chelsea or Man utd did.

[enema of the state]

Yes, but only of those teams scored against us using couter attack, neither Chelsea or Man utd did.

were you at our 4-1 defeat to chelsea last season?

[bazza76]

Dont get snarky mate

I meant if Chelsea decide to sit back and just counter attack, we're pretty much gone. Our defense isnt the fastest and with their love of zonal marking its very easy for someone to get past them. How many times have we seen Hyypia or someone just raise their hand for offside and not bother running after someone when they were actually onside? I hope the entire team doesnt push forward like usual and leave us totally exposed.

I think we under Rafa have the best defensive record in the league from set pieces. Yet some pundits would have you believe that our zonal marking is a liability, when it is actually one of our strengths.

[Mattshark]

were you at our 4-1 defeat to chelsea last season?

I was refering to this season.

[Neil Young]

I was refering to this season.

Well, that hardly yields enough data to go on, does it? All the same, of those three teams we've played only one at Anfield this season and we know what happened then.

The point is that all three of these teams can afford to sit back and try to pick us off on the counter, especially when they're away and the onus is on LFC to take the game to them. The fact that they often win without relying on counterattacks merely suggests that they have more than one way to win a game which is what makes them so dangerous.

[enema of the state]

I was refering to this season.

i guessed that - but football was played for quite some time before august 2006. Some of the current lfc team were even playing way back in those historical days.

[Diego]

i guessed that - but football was played for quite some time before august 2006. Some of the current lfc team were even playing way back in those historical days.

acording to sky football is only 14 years old...

[enema of the state]

acording to sky football is only 14 years old...

I know mate - the world offically didnt exist before that teddy sheringham goal did it. still feels good to be a teenager again

[vlahka]

I think we under Rafa have the best defensive record in the league from set pieces. Yet some pundits would have you believe that our zonal marking is a liability, when it is actually one of our strengths.

I probably should of added I think our zonal defending is just fine and our defending is great. But against certain teams, specifically ones like Arsenal, Chelsea and UTD, we should probably not go for zonal. Adapt to them because with their counter attacking style and fast players, we generally always seem to come off second best.

[bazza76]

I probably should of added I think our zonal defending is just fine and our defending is great. But against certain teams, specifically ones like Arsenal, Chelsea and UTD, we should probably not go for zonal. Adapt to them because with their counter attacking style and fast players, we generally always seem to come off second best.

Zonal marking is used in the set pieces, not open play.

[enema of the state]

Zonal marking is used in the set pieces, not open play.

its a semantic argument only. zonal or man to man only determines what starting positions you take up. At the end of the day, If a defender reads the flight of the ball, runs quickly, jumps well and clears it then the situation is defended. its possible to do those things from either set up.

what determines how good any defence is is how well the individuals execute those techniques - not which set up the coach tells them to start from.

[Neil Young]

its a semantic argument only. zonal or man to man only determines what starting positions you take up. At the end of the day, If a defender reads the flight of the ball, runs quickly, jumps well and clears it then the situation is defended. its possible to do those things from either set up.

what determines how good any defence is is how well the individuals execute those techniques - not which set up the coach tells them to start from.

Really? I'd have thought it's more than mere semantics but then I'm no expert.