Disappointing Stevie Lad

[einar]

why should he? if you wrap your arm around someone it is a foul. If he gets kicked should he try to stay on his feet?

yes.

and what is more, the refs tend to give a foul anyway if a player who tries to stand on his feet when fouled ends up en a worse position.
That is the rule anyway. It is the intent that matters.

Just because someone raps his arms around you in a game dose not mean you should automatically drop to the ground.

Players should IMO be bothered with playing football, not trying to influence the ref.

[einar]

Watch it again. The defender near as dammit had his arm wrapped around stevie in the end.
clear pen well done stevie. Proud he is the captain of liverpool fc.

He only had his arm around him when he felt that they where going down.

Bottom line for me is: Steve could have kept on playing, he did not and that in my book is cheating.

And I do not want to see the captain of LFC cheating.

[nbryan1764]

yes.

and what is more, the refs tend to give a foul anyway if a player who tries to stand on his feet when fouled ends up en a worse position.
That is the rule anyway. It is the intent that matters.

Just because someone raps his arms around you in a game dose not mean you should automatically drop to the ground.

Players should IMO be bothered with playing football, not trying to influence the ref.

I am sorry but that is bollocks. A foul is a foul is a foul. If it had happened the other way around and say Carra had done it to Stead then I would have been pissed off with Carra. He had been told and still did it. If you get fouled then you deserve a free kick, if it is the penalty area then you deserve a penalty its as simple as that. It was a foul therefore it was a penalty. I dont even know what there is to debate.

[RedWolverine]

I am sorry but that is bollocks. A foul is a foul is a foul. If it had happened the other way around and say Carra had done it to Stead then I would have been pissed off with Carra. He had been told and still did it. If you get fouled then you deserve a free kick, if it is the penalty area then you deserve a penalty its as simple as that. It was a foul therefore it was a penalty. I dont even know what there is to debate.

[einar]

I am sorry but that is bollocks. A foul is a foul is a foul. If it had happened the other way around and say Carra had done it to Stead then I would have been pissed off with Carra. He had been told and still did it. If you get fouled then you deserve a free kick, if it is the penalty area then you deserve a penalty its as simple as that. It was a foul therefore it was a penalty. I dont even know what there is to debate.

Well the next time Ronaldo is running past a liverpool defender and drops like a stone because of the slightest push, I expect you to blame our defender and not Ronaldo. And if you do then my hat is off to you.

[nbryan1764]

Well the next time Ronaldo is running past a liverpool defender and drops like a stone because of the slightest push, I expect you to blame our defender and not Ronaldo. And if you do then my hat is off to you.

it wasn't the slightest of pushes though was it. The idiot had his arm wrapped around him. If Gerrard had gone down because of minimal unintentional contact and dived then I would agree but its not comparing like for like is it.

And even then, by definition, a push is a push. If is is a deliberate attempt to push then its tough its a foul.

[Red_Al_77]

There was less contact in the CL Final but no one was moaning then. Some people here have double standards.

[einar]

There was less contact in the CL Final but no one was moaning then. Some people here have double standards.

In the CL final there was little contact but like I said before it is the intent that counts and I belive that the ref would have given the penalty anyway had Gerrard not gone down.

[Red_Al_77]

In the CL final there was little contact but like I said before it is the intent that counts and I belive that the ref would have given the penalty anyway had Gerrard not gone down.

So the Sheff Utd player didn't intend to put his arms round Gerrard?

[nbryan1764]

In the CL final there was little contact but like I said before it is the intent that counts and I belive that the ref would have given the penalty anyway had Gerrard not gone down.

ah I understand now. There was no intent yesterday for the defender to put his arm around him. Got you

[einar]

it wasn't the slightest of pushes though was it. The idiot had his arm wrapped around him. If Gerrard had gone down because of minimal unintentional contact and dived then I would agree but its not comparing like for like is it.

And even then, by definition, a push is a push. If is is a deliberate attempt to push then its tough its a foul.

Yes he was an idiot and yes the ref made the right decision. That does not change the fact that Gerrard could easily have played on and didnt.

And your last statement is iffy at best. Just imagine a player trying to get past a defender and as soon as the defender puts his arm out the player drops like a stone. That would be called diving every time.

And no, it wasnt the slightest of pushes, it was less then that. he only put his arm around him after Steve bumped his legs into the defenders legs.

[einar]

ah I understand now. There was no intent yesterday for the defender to put his arm around him. Got you

I have already said the ref had no choice.

This is for me about Gerrards decision making.

[nbryan1764]

Yes he was an idiot and yes the ref made the right decision. That does not change the fact that Gerrard could easily have played on and didnt.

And your last statement is iffy at best. Just imagine a player trying to get past a defender and as soon as the defender puts his arm out the player drops like a stone. That would be called diving every time.

And no, it wasnt the slightest of pushes, it was less then that. he only put his arm around him after Steve bumped his legs into the defenders legs.

well I missed the leg bumping. Its obvious what my opinion is and I know how I feel about fould and dives. You seem to be bringing different variables and also double standards to the debate and to be quite frank you are struggling. I feel no need to comment further but one suggestion to make...stick to the facts.

[einar]

well I missed the leg bumping. Its obvious what my opinion is and I know how I feel about fould and dives. You seem to be bringing different variables and also double standards to the debate and to be quite frank you are struggling. I feel no need to comment further but one suggestion to make...stick to the facts.

Pleas explain.

[nbryan1764]

Pleas explain.

really, I don't have the energy to go over it all again. We will not agree on this point so its easier to stop.

However, quick rationale using examples - double standards, champions league final - entitled to go over because he was touched, yesterday he wasn't entitled to. Well he either is or he isn't entitled to go down when he is fouled make your mind up. The nature of the occasion should not cloud your judgement.

different variables - you mentioned about intent. When questioned whether the defender intended to put his arm around him or not you came back with a different variable - that being SG bumped his leg into his which made the defender wrap his arm around him.

OK that really is my last contribution