Disappointing Stevie Lad

[Craig_H]

You are not allowed to use your arms to pull/push players like he was doing though. I'd say it was an incredibly soft pen, but a pen all the same by the letter of the law. Of course the ref should've shown more common sense, and that's what Warnock was alluding to.

You're not meant to be allowed to shield the ball out for a goal kick like everyone does either - obstruction anyone?

If that was a pen today, then countless others should be being given. We'd literally be talking about 8 pens per match. That's daft.

[SouthAfricaRed]

I'm not saying this to have a go, i'm just being honest...but IMO, if someone can praise the positives, but allegedly not see (or acknowledge) the negatives, that doesnt make their outlook too credible.

I know you dont care what i think, but many dont care what many think. We still express our views.

There is a thread especially for you in the Chat Chat Chat section

http://213.232.95.25/forums/showthread.php?t=14253

[Mattshark]

You are not allowed to use your arms to pull/push players like he was doing though. I'd say it was an incredibly soft pen, but a pen all the same by the letter of the law. Of course the ref should've shown more common sense, and that's what Warnock was alluding to.

You could say the same thing regarding common sense and Kozie.

[Johnny]

Well yes there is, but do you think it would've been given had gerrard not gone down? I dont.

Furthermore, was that contact sufficient to actually FORCE gerrard onto the floor? No.

He could've stayed up, the contact wasnt fall inducing. He CHOSE to go down though. That contact was minimal.

Not a foul IMO.

the defender chose to apply that amonut of contact and forefeited a penalty.The Ref did what he had to do.


Message to all defenders,dont foul in the box,you`ll give away a penalty.

[Red_Polo]

I thought we were discussing THIS penalty.

That's in the other thread. Apparently that's the distinction

[Craig_H]

Ok lets have a witch hunt and burn our skipper at the stake

Who did that?

No one doubts Stevie does, on occasion, go down easily,

Not so sure that's true.

comparing him to the likes of Ronaldo & Dogbreath is ridiculous.

Who did that?

There's a big difference between going down/making the most of minimal contact and blatant diving like those two regularly engage in, flinging themselves about/holding their faces/acting like they've been shot.

I think that if the contact isnt enough to bring you down, but you choose to go down anyway, that's wrong.

Let's burn me at the stake for saying that, eh?

[Fiddy]

The 'incident' can be seen on this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoU4LBJq63E

If you actually look closely, Stevie stumbles after the guy's knee bumps into him, and the stupid *******'s got his arms all round him, so he deserved it IMO. And Stevie was clearly wound up so was more amenable to the idea of going down

After noticing that I'll sleep better tonight

[Johnny]

You're not meant to be allowed to shield the ball out for a goal kick like everyone does either - obstruction anyone?

If that was a pen today, then countless others should be being given. We'd literally be talking about 8 pens per match. That's daft.

Or defenders would have to learn how defend other than taking down the opposing player.

[Craig_H]

I thought we were discussing THIS penalty.

Not on its own, no. Hence why i posted a new thread, because it's about the 'bigger picture' of Gerrard possibly acquiring himself a reputation as a diver, and missing out on legitimate fouls because of it. As i did already explain.

TODAY's pen is one example, the Bolton one is another. One which is relevant in the context of THIS debate. And one which you're seemingly keen to side-step discussing...

[Fiddy]

shouldn't football technically be a non-contact sport?

Therefore any kind of contact resulting in a foul being given shouldn't be complained about

[Craig_H]

Or defenders would have to learn how defend other than taking down the opposing player.

"taking down"

So Gerrard IS as fragile as a kitten then, and COULDNT keep himself on his feet, no matter how HARD he tried? Is that what you think?

[Mattshark]

shouldn't football technically be a non-contact sport?

Therefore any kind of contact resulting in a foul being given shouldn't be complained about

Well you are allowed contact, but you actually have to win the ball first.

[Craig_H]

shouldn't football technically be a non-contact sport?

Therefore any kind of contact resulting in a foul being given shouldn't be complained about

Well no fiddy, it's very much a CONTACT sport.

[Johnny]

Not on its own, no. Hence why i posted a new thread, because it's about the 'bigger picture' of Gerrard possibly acquiring himself a reputation as a diver, and missing out on legitimate fouls because of it. As i did already explain.

TODAY's pen is one example, the Bolton one is another. One which is relevant in the context of THIS debate. And one which you're seemingly keen to side-step discussing...

you just widened the discussion to back up you arguement that SG dives the odd time.I was discussing whether SG dived today.


Don`t move the goalposts SYD.

[Fiddy]

Well no fiddy, it's very much a CONTACT sport.

really? and there was me thinking that was sports like rugby, american football, etc...