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Not exactly, I do understand why Rafa rotates, i just think up to now, there has been too many udjustments needed to the squad, in an ideal world we would be adding up to three experienced players in the close of season not 6 and of a higher standard.Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'
"Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.
* After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs
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thats him to a tee, whiel be littling people at the same time.Originally posted by Red_Al_77 View PostWhere the author of the thread argues with all and sundry in an attempt to get his/her point across.Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'
"Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.
* After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs
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Comparing crosses from deep and crosses from the byline is fun.
Crosses from the byline tend to travel away from goal and there for it is easier to get pace on the attempt on goal. Also the defenders are usually moving towards the goal and that is more difficult to do.
When you cross from deep more often then not the defenders are more or less standing still.
Beating the defender is a whole other matter IMO. Crossing from the byline does not mean you have gotten past the defender.
If you really get past him you have created a new situation. You are usually in the box and have many more options.
So having a player who can do that on a regular basis is indispensable. ( Ronaldo )
The only players who I have seen do that on a regular basis, besides Ronaldo, is Lennon and Robben. And Robben is not as sharp as he used to be.
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Those times are coming.Originally posted by bazza76 View PostNot exactly, I do understand why Rafa rotates, i just think up to now, there has been too many udjustments needed to the squad, in an ideal world we would be adding up to three experienced players in the close of season not 6 and of a higher standard.
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fingers crossedOriginally posted by einar View PostThose times are coming.Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'
"Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.
* After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs
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No really. I think our squad has improved a lot since Rafa came and now we can afford to buy more expensive and fewer players. IMO we have proved that with our performances against Chelsea, Barca and ManU.Originally posted by bazza76 View Postfingers crossed
And then of course there is the fact that we have more money.
And also we need to start a season strongly.
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well i woud tend to agree, i just have a feeling though that we are still building and will need abou 4-5 players in the summer. I dont mind really, once the additions are of real quality and can handle the squad system and the English style.Originally posted by einar View PostNo really. I think our squad has improved a lot since Rafa came and now we can afford to buy more expensive and fewer players. IMO we have proved that with our performances against Chelsea, Barca and ManU.
And then of course there is the fact that we have more money.
And also we need to start a season strongly.Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'
"Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.
* After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs
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im looking forwad to seing harry back tbhOriginally posted by Abro100 View PostThis went into a one way pennant beckham bashing, what about speedy and the left hand side.........Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'
"Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.
* After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs
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Originally posted by Abro100 View PostHarry 'The Terminator' Kewell?, back where, in Aus?
good to see him running atleast
Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'
"Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.
* After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs
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I don't mind having one winger of the 'cross and pass' variety, however, we do need one at least who is going to have a go at the defence with running and trickery. We don't have that at the moment anf that is one of the big reasons we are not converting long periods of possession into goals in the big games against the big teams.
I'm sure Rafa knows this and will rectify the situation in the summer
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Giles Barnes is the manOriginally posted by captainfog View PostI don't mind having one winger of the 'cross and pass' variety, however, we do need one at least who is going to have a go at the defence with running and trickery. We don't have that at the moment anf that is one of the big reasons we are not converting long periods of possession into goals in the big games against the big teams.
I'm sure Rafa knows this and will rectify the situation in the summer
Originally posted by Gordon Brown
(1995)"A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"
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May I change this thread ever so slightly to the 'Wenger' question?
I think they're related somewhat.
Wenger - it seems to me - doesn't have wingers. Not in the 'normal' understanding of the term anyway. Henry (right footed) heads off down to the left corner flag, van Persie (left footed) hares off to the right. No room down either flank for the 'wide mid' to go so they cut inside.
And they can because, of late, Wengers' been playing a right footed on the left (Rosicky, Ljungberg) and a leftie on the right (Hleb).
And all this is ok, because you're essentially allowing space for the fullbacks to bomb forward whilst ensuring a goodly number of your colleagues are in/around the danger area.
All this must require intelligent movement/play from the players (something we're sadly lacking in) but, I think, it does show that beating the fullbacks - on the outside anyway - isn't the be-all and end-all that we might think.
Of course, we know that Wenger doesn't really believe in anyone other than defenders heading the ball - so that might explain it....
Frank.Francis.
...."Any team that concedes as few goals as we concede is going to be tough to play against..." - Fernando Torres on Liverpool
And when I say 'play Gerrard on the left', I mean on the left
A defensive mid for £18m?
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Aresenal aren't winning the league though are they? Chelsea and Manure are and they both have quality wingers.Originally posted by Frank Leroux View PostMay I change this thread ever so slightly to the 'Wenger' question?
I think they're related somewhat.
Wenger - it seems to me - doesn't have wingers. Not in the 'normal' understanding of the term anyway. Henry (right footed) heads off down to the left corner flag, van Persie (left footed) hares off to the right. No room down either flank for the 'wide mid' to go so they cut inside.
And they can because, of late, Wengers' been playing a right footed on the left (Rosicky, Ljungberg) and a leftie on the right (Hleb).
And all this is ok, because you're essentially allowing space for the fullbacks to bomb forward whilst ensuring a goodly number of your colleagues are in/around the danger area.
All this must require intelligent movement/play from the players (something we're sadly lacking in) but, I think, it does show that beating the fullbacks - on the outside anyway - isn't the be-all and end-all that we might think.
Of course, we know that Wenger doesn't really believe in anyone other than defenders heading the ball - so that might explain it....
Frank.
When Arsenal won the league they did so with Freddie and Pires playing outwide, both cutting in and running into good positions and shooting etc whilst they had the stability of the likes of Viera in the middle. They weren't traditional wide men, in that, they didn't deliver loads of crosses, but they did run with ball, the attribute we are lacking at the moment.
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