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    Athens on alert amid fears of all-English final

    Dominic Fifield, Matt Scott and Michael Walker and Helena Smith in Athens
    Friday April 13, 2007
    The Guardian

    Fears are growing that an all-English Champions League final, and in particular one that thrusts together Liverpool and Manchester United, would see European football's showpiece event in Athens marred by serious crowd violence, with one security source claiming the tie would represent Uefa's "nightmare scenario".

    The likelihood of two Premiership clubs playing at the Olympic Stadium next month grew with three English teams this week reaching the semi-finals, though it is the prospect of an exodus of fans from Merseyside and Manchester for the game that has prompted most consternation. Uefa insisted publicly that there was "no apprehension" last night but real concerns have been raised behind the scenes with the Greek authorities already preparing an unprecedented security operation.

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    Neither club may make it through the semi-finals against Milan and Chelsea but worries have already been expressed at United and Liverpool over the logistics of supporters travelling to Athens, with airports in the North-west aware that they will be unable to prevent rival fans taking the same flights to Greece. "Fans, many of whom will not have tickets, will be mixing on their journeys, at airports, on planes and when they arrive in Athens," said the source. "This is a nightmare scenario as far as security is concerned and a recipe for serious crowd trouble."

    The clubs involved in the final will be allocated 17,000 tickets each, roughly the same number given to Liverpool for the final in Istanbul in 2005. On that occasion, nearer 35,000 fans from Merseyside travelled to and attended the game with United likely to generate a similar following. Uefa have a 9,000 allocation but some 7,000 tickets will be made available to the Greek authorities, fuelling concerns that many of those could flood the black market and wreck attempts at segregation.

    The Greek prime minister, Costas Karamanlis, met cabinet ministers yesterday to discuss how to approach the gamewith the issue of sports-related violence prominent in Greece following the death of a 25-year-old fan in clashes between Olympiakos and Panathinaikos supporters outside a women's volleyball game last month. A series of preliminary measures have been outlined for the final, including the deployment of riot police some 48 hours before the game on May 23, and improvements to surveillance equipment at and around the arena.

    A special department has been set up to collect and exchange information on hooligans and especially those from the UK. The chief superintendent Dave Lewis of Merseyside Police confirmed they would "support the policing operation of the hosts" should Liverpool reach the final.

    "If it's an all-English match, then we'll need advice from the British police," said William Gaillard, Uefa's chief spokesman. "But we're not apprehensive. We had thousands of Liverpool fans in Istanbul and it was difficult in terms of logistics, getting them to and from the airport. But we do not have such a loaded situation in Athens because facilities are easy to get to."

    Concerns have also been expressed about United's semi-final second leg in Milan on May 2, coming only 28 days after their supporters clashed with Italian police and opposing supporters in Rome. "But it is a different club, a different city and different circumstances," said Gaillard. "I think people have learned the lessons." The sides met two years ago without any problems.

    A delegation from United visited Milan yesterday to begin their preparations while the match commander of Greater Manchester Police, chief superintendent Janette McCormick, was also in the Italian city speaking to the police force. "We are not expecting trouble," said a spokesman for Milan police. "With the collaboration of all parties involved, everything will run smoothly."
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    #2
    Hype.

    Something is bound to kick off if its constantly talked about leading up to such a game.

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      #3
      One game at a time. Let's just worry about the Chavs for now! Maureen will have them primed for revenge for the "ghost" goal that sank them 2 years ago.
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        #4
        If there is more trouble at the United - Milan games and United win they or their fans might be banned from the finals.

        At least that's what should happen.

        They have had crowd trouble in the last two rounds and it's never their ****ing fault, it's ridiculous.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Marc. View Post
          Hype.

          Something is bound to kick off if its constantly talked about leading up to such a game.
          It'll kick off no matter what if we play them out there, it'll be crazy

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            #6
            Originally posted by friedk View Post
            If there is more trouble at the United - Milan games and United win they or their fans might be banned from the finals.

            At least that's what should happen.

            They have had crowd trouble in the last two rounds and it's never their ****ing fault, it's ridiculous.
            They always seem to get away with it and their fans are some of the worst

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              #7
              It will be the perfect opportunity for people to act as Liverpool or Man Utd supporters to start a fight, and it will probably be set up a long time before it happens.

              Man Utd should be throwned out. Feyenoord was throwned out for much less than what the Scum supporters have done.
              Just believe and you never know what will happen.

              According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                #8
                Originally posted by SB View Post
                One game at a time. Let's just worry about the Chavs for now! Maureen will have them primed for revenge for the "ghost" goal that sank them 2 years ago.
                I agree. What might happen in Athens is a concern, but it is still a "might". Let's concern ourselves with Chelsea first.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Marc. View Post
                  Hype.

                  Something is bound to kick off if its constantly talked about leading up to such a game.
                  Yes, some of it is hype. But if you've ever attended a game between us and them then you'll know that trouble is never far away. Its generally that whoever is the away team is policed in a fashion that reduces the risk of flashpoints and confrontations plus the smaller numbers of away fans make them easier to control.

                  The vast majority of people are not troublemakers per se but the police still categorise adult males as having the potential to cause trouble - Category B, I believe. Which in the police's words are people who do not cause trouble but could fight if someone attacks them.

                  For those who don't believe they fit that bill, look at Jaco's recent experience. He seems a level headed lad, but put in a violent situation he fought back (yes I know it was his that mum was attacked but he still reacted violently).

                  If we get to the Final and we play Utd, its not a case of if, its a case of when there will be trouble - unless there are more police than we've ever seen at a footie match. Don't put it down as pure hype cos its not, there is a very real possibility of serious disorder - and we've been there before.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Spionkop69 View Post
                    Yes, some of it is hype. But if you've ever attended a game between us and them then you'll know that trouble is never far away. Its generally that whoever is the away team is policed in a fashion that reduces the risk of flashpoints and confrontations plus the smaller numbers of away fans make them easier to control.

                    The vast majority of people are not troublemakers per se but the police still categorise adult males as having the potential to cause trouble - Category B, I believe. Which in the police's words are people who do not cause trouble but could fight if someone attacks them.

                    For those who don't believe they fit that bill, look at Jaco's recent experience. He seems a level headed lad, but put in a violent situation he fought back (yes I know it was his that mum was attacked but he still reacted violently).

                    If we get to the Final and we play Utd, its not a case of if, its a case of when there will be trouble - unless there are more police than we've ever seen at a footie match. Don't put it down as pure hype cos its not, there is a very real possibility of serious disorder - and we've been there before.
                    Good post. I am fervently hoping that it's us v Milan in the Final.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by friedk View Post
                      If there is more trouble at the United - Milan games and United win they or their fans might be banned from the finals.

                      At least that's what should happen.

                      They have had crowd trouble in the last two rounds and it's never their ****ing fault, it's ridiculous.
                      Surely they couldnt ban a teams fan base from a final!!!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Maestro View Post
                        Good post. I am fervently hoping that it's us v Milan in the Final.


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                          #13
                          And because of the current stranglehold English teams seem to have on the competition there are those, I suggest, that wouldn't be averse to using the slightest excuse to get us all chucked out again.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by wildman View Post
                            They always seem to get away with it and their fans are some of the worst
                            I was talking to a Manc yesterday and he is convinced that the GMP actually get involved and "help" with some of the trouble you see round OT.

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                              #15
                              i think most people would fall into category B.
                              gmp have always been *****
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