S*it on a stick!

[Neil Young]

And Toshak wasn't an European Cup winner isn't it as he left just before we won it in 1977 ? I've got that on tape at home but can't figure if Toshak was in that side.

IIRC Toshack didn't play in the final (I think because of injury) and was transferred to Swansea as player-manager in '78.

[Lecter]

IIRC Toshack didn't play in the final (I think because of injury) and was transferred to Swansea as player-manager in '78.

I think you are right

He defo became Swansea player manager in 78

[PLY]

Wasn't Toshack on the bench in '77 alongside Stuart Hall?

[TheStig]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Toshack

Says he wasn't part of the team that won the European Cup anywhere.

[TheStig]

Wasn't Toshack on the bench in '77 alongside Stuart Hall?

Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977_European_Cup_Final

[Guest]

So who played upfront with Keegan, McDermott ?

[CAD]

I think Milan's 90's side played the same sort of system and tactics as Paisleys side anyway

I have lived to watch both sides closely and I have to say that is pretty far of the mark. Milan controlled and dominated in a different way compared to LFC in the 80's. It is true of course that both sides were passing sides and that the fluent way of football obviously brings on certain similarities. However,

1)Milan were much more disciplined than we were in the manner in which the imposed themselves on the game.
2) The heavy reliance on the offside trap which allowed Baresi to act as a libero more often than not. We never used the Libero in the same manner during the 80's.
3) Zonal marking all over their own half! We never had that. Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi, Alessandro Costacurta and Mauro Tassotti is the best back4 the world has ever seen. They could sit back and still control the game. They often allowed the opponent to have the ball for long periods during the game. LFC 80's never did that in the same manner.
4) We played with more width/wingers than they ever did.

and the list goes on...

[CAD]

And we have a fantastic offside trap mechanism ourselves. I don't recall us being undone by the offside trap much this season, which is simply fantastic at this level.

No offense, but our offside trap is not even close to Milans in the 90's. There have been several times during this season where either Abelardo, Carra or Finnan (to name a few) has been caught. We have given away chances and goals on this account.

To compare the two sides on that quality is like saying that Dame Edna was as sexy as Marilyn Monroe.

[bazza76]

And we have a fantastic offside trap mechanism ourselves. I don't recall us being undone by the offside trap much this season, which is simply fantastic at this level.

It is based on the Milan defense of the early 90's

[Neil Young]

"My ideas are near to the Milan of Arrigo Sacchi, I like technical and aggressive teams that don't allow the opponents to play. I like teams that play the ball with speed and look to score with as few passes as possible."

[Lecter]

I have lived to watch both sides closely and I have to say that is pretty far of the mark. Milan controlled and dominated in a different way compared to LFC in the 80's. It is true of course that both sides were passing sides and that the fluent way of football obviously brings on certain similarities. However,

1)Milan were much more disciplined than we were in the manner in which the imposed themselves on the game.
2) The heavy reliance on the offside trap which allowed Baresi to act as a libero more often than not. We never used the Libero in the same manner during the 80's.
3) Zonal marking all over their own half! We never had that. Paolo Maldini, Franco Baresi, Alessandro Costacurta and Mauro Tassotti is the best back4 the world has ever seen. They could sit back and still control the game. They often allowed the opponent to have the ball for long periods during the game. LFC 80's never did that in the same manner.
4) We played with more width/wingers than they ever did.

and the list goes on...

Being an old fart also I watched both sides I watched the vast bulk of our home games from 76 onwards

Hansen was as much of a sweeper as there has ever been so was Lawrenson and we were famed for our offside trap at that times

As for wingers well Ray Kennedy wasnt much of a winger and neither was Jimmy Case either

[Guest]

Is that a Rafa quote Neil ?

[bazza76]

Is that a Rafa quote Neil ?

yes

[CAD]

Being an old fart also I watched both sides I watched the vast bulk of our home games from 76 onwards

Hansen was as much of a sweeper as there has ever been so was Lawrenson and we were famed for our offside trap at that times

As for wingers well Ray Kennedy wasnt much of a winger and neither was Jimmy Case either

Are we talking about the 80's LFC side or the 70's? For me there is a difference. You think that Barnes or Heigway were not wingers?

The way we defended can never be compared to the way Milan defended with that famous back 4. Never.

Both sides were absolute class but it was two very different ways of playing football. We're are talking about two different football philosophies IMO.

Milans style was a product of 40 years of Catenaccio football in Italy. Not that Milan played catenaccio football in the negative term of the word but they certainly applied some of the defensive qualities of catenaccio when they were off the ball. In many ways Milan's style evolved from a cynical approach to the game and as the opposition broke down their game would flourish into the most beautiful butterfly.

I remember that Liverpool played some heavy hoofball matches away from Anfield. Especially when under pressure in Europe. Something which Milan would never do. The only player who played the long ball was Baresi. It was his call and he was damn good at that. To some extend I wouldn't even call it hoofing cause Baresi would almost connect every longball he threw upfield. Milan stayed true to their format/concept no matter what. In that aspect they were a stronger side than LFC IMO.

[Lecter]

Are we talking about the 80's LFC side or the 70's? For me there is a difference. You think that Barnes or Heigway were not wingers?

The way we defended can never be compared to the way Milan defended with that famous back 4. Never.

Both sides were absolute class but it was two very different ways of playing football. We're are talking about two different football philosophies IMO.

Milans style was a product of 40 years of Catenaccio football in Italy. Not that Milan played catenaccio football in the negative term of the word but they certainly applied some of the defensive qualities of catenaccio when they were off the ball. In many ways Milan's style evolved from a cynical approach to the game and as the opposition broke down their game would flourish into the most beautiful butterfly.

I remember that Liverpool played some heavy hoofball matches away from Anfield. Especially when under pressure in Europe. Something which Milan would never do. The only player who played the long ball was Baresi. It was his call and he was damn good at that. To some extend I wouldn't even call it hoofing cause Baresi would almost connect every longball he threw upfield. Milan stayed true to their format/concept no matter what. In that aspect they were a stronger side than LFC IMO.

I'm talking from about late 70's early 80's as per what I stated in my earlier posts. Barnes was much later and a part of probably LFC's most attractive and offensive team

We played virtually without wingers during that period Heighway moved inside to be a forward in late 77 through 78

Kennedy and Case were on the "wings", then Whelan and Lee

I actually thought we hoofed the ball a lot when we had Toshack but once we got Dalglish we werent as aimless in our balls forward. Dalglish was a beast immensely strong so a ball into him would always be held up

As for Milan they quite often tossed the ball forward to Gullitt who was exceptionally good in the air

Of course there where differences but essentially they played the same system as the Paisley sides

As per one of the posts above I thought Milans manager said he used Liverpool as a blueprint for his Milan side - if thats true it says a lot about the similarities