Is Benitez about to be found out…?

[Abro100]

Parry wanted a man who could produce the good quickly
on the pitch on a limited budget.
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Never going to happen now, money talks. Any player with a remote chance of success is snapped up for decent money, Kalou, Kezman, Forlan, Pazzani etc
Clubs take big risks now to be the best, if they dont pay of they get the money back, if they do, there happy.
We cant be expected to compete with Ferguson and Mourinho with a Limied budget, they are 2 of THE BEST in the business with big budgets, no one alive could compete with a limited budget (maybe wenger)\s

[Dreambeliever]

The reason we "languish" 3rd in the league is that he spends(or has been forced to spend) an average of £5million per player and not £15million a player. Anyone who cannot see this is, in in my opinion, and I need to choose my words carefully here, a ****ING MORON.

Go through the United squad this year and tell me the price of every player because they all most certainly didn't cost 15£ or more.

Wenger has found gems for years at bargain prices.

It helps alot to have the muscle but even with better players our negative tactics are doomed to failure in the league.

In the EPL you must Attack and attack with pace. Even chelsea had it in Robben, Duff and Drogba.

[tomasjj]

And anyone who doesn't realise we had a huge slice of luck winning a cup comp where by we went through by the odd goal in 2 rounds and won the final on penos is either stupid or crazy or both.

We did however deserve our luck IMO.

Sorry, but aren't you contradicting yourself here?

Excuse my nitpicking, it is inappropriate.
I also saw you said we were **** against Chelsea, but you were referring to 2005 I reckon, cause this year we were great against them at Anfield.

Good post for debate, I will give you that, but I would say we are a much better, and more successful, team now than when Rafa arrived. The bar has been raised in the PL, mostly due to the Chavs, but also the Mancs team gelling. No excuse, but imo factual.

[Dreambeliever]

Hey dreamB,good to see you over here,you`ll see a big difference as the posters on here(Mostly) don`t need to abuse to get their point across,hang around you`ll like it here..

Cheers, this thread has had some quality replies.

[DannyMan2006]

Read my posts in context will ya.

I was replying to someone who suggested Milan had no chances in the 2nd half.

And anyone who doesn't realise we had a huge slice of luck winning a cup comp where by we went through by the odd goal in 2 rounds and won the final on penos is either stupid or crazy or both.

We did however deserve our luck IMO.

I didn't say Milan had no chances, I said they had no plan B. They only had the chances because our players were ****ed. We were outplayed in the first half but also had chances to score anyhow.

Anyway my main point is that you mentioned Rafa doesn't want a 20 goal a season striker, or doesn't recognize one. Well are you forgetting he tried to Buy Villa from Zaragoza, and that he tried to sign Eto'o form Madrid and Barca when Owen went to Real? I guess you are, as most would say they are 20 goal a season strikers.

And 12 goals in the league isn't bad for Kuyts first season.

[Dreambeliever]

We aren't getting any further away which i think is more the point in question, when you look at the results, and lets discount the last two dead rubbers, we were five wins away from challenging, thats not a great deal and with some better wingers or pennant coming to forma little earlier, or not having kewell out the whole season we could well have got a few more of those 5 wins

Sorry 5 wins away in the League season is a massive difference. And one that should be alot closer by now.


well who made them play that way, you are never going to convince me that you can get to the final twice in 3 years by luck, maybe it's lucky that mourinho struck gold with drogba, who arguably looked **** in his first season, or the mancs with ronaldos form this season, you can spin these things any way you want

We have a good side there is no doubting it as we work hard for each other but it could be said we have been lucky to meet teams who havent been at their best coming into the games, i.e Barca and Chelsea.

Okay transfers, Reina, Alonso, Agger, Mascherano, Sissoko (pre injury), Kuyt, Pennant (almost although jurys still out, Garcia, Crouch have all been great signings, so don't be giving me that crap about not good at all signings. He was brought in to win, sure, did you expect it overnight, he worked miracles with the team we had in 04/05 to get us to 82 points the following season, this season has been much the same really, so i don't really see your point, if we're still here in 2 yrs time, then i might take your point. Oh and as for the striket, go and look at the thread on this topic, we have the second highest amount of goals scored by strikers, so i'm not overly convinced that is the imediate priorty, wingers are and if he had the cash he wanted we'd probably have them by now

Reina Agger I'll give ya. The rest are ify. Alonso looks like he could be on the way out in the summer and has been dropped of late for Masher. Masher has played 10 games so the jury is still out. Sissoko could never pass the ball well enough to hold down a place in a team driven by holding posssesion. Kuyt has been ok nothing spectacular yet. Pennant the same. Garcia?? Your having a laugh he's losing the ball more often than an alzheimer's patient losses his memory. Crouch has been decent again nothing more nothing less. A good bench option.

[Dreambeliever]

The last time we made the final we were still fighting for 4th.

This time we're qaruanteed 4th and have taken our foot off the pedal in order to make sure everyone is fit for Athens.

Last year we had 3rd and pushed all the way to the end for 2nd.

[Dreambeliever]

How about a stronger squad and another spot in the CL final, the points tally is a bit irrelevant now

Ok so here's what's no irrelevant, we were out of the title race in September.

[Dreambeliever]

And then you went and ruined it all by insulting me.

You're on you're own now buddy,feeding time for the sharks,get him boys,I'm finished with this thread.

No offence meant like.

[Dreambeliever]

I bet Jamo thinks that's a good post DB!

I can see your point but I have to say I don't agree. I don't think the teams we disposed of were in near such a bad state as you are saying. No arguments that the league form needs to pick up though. If I have one thing against Benitez, it's that he rotates too much which is probably the season for our woeful early season away form.

Ya but thats the corner stone of his tactics.

It aint changing anytime soon.

[KK07]

Last year we had 3rd and pushed all the way to the end for 2nd.

Yeah we weren't in a CL final,there is also a massive difference between 2nd and 3rd,no qualifying games in the CL!

[Dreambeliever]

whats that got to do with anything? i've seen all our away games on the tellybox and very few of them warranted a beating

But not enough warranted a win, thats the problem.

[KK07]

No offence meant like.

No worries mate,I may not agree with what you saying although I do get some of your points but I respect that you're standing your ground against a whole site.

[Mr Tourette]

Jose would have a very good go as would Fergie and Wenger IMO.

Disagree totally and i still think your a manc.

Jose did it with an unlimited budget, he did a ****ing good job never the less - but you cant compare it to benitez who inherited a **** second rate french squad. There is no other precedent in the premier league. (im hoping dalglish and walker didnt do it in one season at blackburn or else ill look stupid)

Ferguson is neither a tactical genius nor a specialist in the transfer market. He motivates people. Without the golden generation he wouldnt have been nearly as successful at united.

wenger is a great manager in my opinion, better than ferguson perhaps - but even he couldnt have come to us in the off season after GH and secured us number 19 by the end of the year.

I admire the way youve whipped everyone up on here, but your too negative for your own good....and im the king of reverse psychology. I would say there isnt a better man for the job that is realistically available anywhere in europe as i said to morph - hes doing it slow but you cant deny we are progressing steadily. Now he has the money we will see how he really gets on if we finish 20 points back in 3rd place next year - i might be slightly more in your camp, but so far Benitez has done a sound job.

[Dreambeliever]

Sorry, but aren't you contradicting yourself here?

Excuse my nitpicking, it is inappropriate.
I also saw you said we were **** against Chelsea, but you were referring to 2005 I reckon, cause this year we were great against them at Anfield.

Good post for debate, I will give you that, but I would say we are a much better, and more successful, team now than when Rafa arrived. The bar has been raised in the PL, mostly due to the Chavs, but also the Mancs team gelling. No excuse, but imo factual.

To clear it up we were lucky but deserved it for our application (hard work, never say die spirit) not for our football.

We were muck against them at the Bridge and were very "Lucky" (sorry couldn't resist) not to be put away down there.

Ged in his time got us from 7th to 2nd before failing.

Rafa hasn't looked likely yet.