Controversial LFC thread.

[bogsdollocks]

I'm going to open this thread with a controversial statement regarding Masher:
I wouldn't like to pay more that £10m for a holding midfielder player. And I certainly wouldn't go anywhere near the reported £17m for him. For that kind of money I would want somebody who can hold,tackle,pass,score,dictate games, set up goals and is in general an all rounder (Xabi,Pirlo). £17m to 'hold'? No thanks.

Les - you're talking about me I just know it. I'm available for considerably less than £10m.........**** just misread it. It says holding NOT olding..bollox!!:

[AFII]

Yes it is. Negative, benign, boring and unsuccessful.

It's not about the names AFII, it's the way the team plays as a whole. It's about the tactics they employ.

6 at the back, I can't think of many things more boring.

It's five at the back. One of the defensive midfielders helps out in attack and the other one stay behind. It also allows Agger to attack from time to time.

[Red Chilli]

It's five at the back. One of the defensive midfielders helps out in attack and the other one stay behind. It also allows Agger to attack from time to time.

So it's not 4-2-3-1 then, IS IT?

[AFII]

So it's not 4-2-3-1 then, IS IT?

It's 4-2-3-1 from the start of the game but it's 2-3-1-3-1 when we attack and 4-2-3-1 when we defend.

[Red Chilli]

It's 4-2-3-1 from the start of the game but it's 2-3-1-3-1 when we attack and 4-2-3-1 when we defend.

Why don't you just admit it, it's

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

[AFII]

Why don't you just admit it, it's

1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

Ok.

--------------Reina
--------------Carra
--------------Agger
--------------Arbeloa
--------------Aurelio
--------------Mascherano
--------------Alonso
--------------Gerrard
--------------Kewell
--------------Babel
--------------Torres

Happy now?

[tomasjj]

That ****ty formation is what brings us such classics as the blackburn game and the Portsmouth game.

2 defensive midfielders = 0-0. It's the most benign negative tactic in world football and won't win you owt.

Well it hasn't worked for us so far AFII.

2 defensive midfielders makes us hoof up to the strikers. If you don't believe me, go back over the games.

Who mentioned the Brum game? Not me amigo.

That's fine if you are happy with occasional Champions league success, but I was talking about the Premiership.
I will not settle for SCUM over taking us in title wins and I will not settle for challenging for 3rd and 4th every year. That is what you are looking at if you play defensive negative football and that is what happens when you play 2 defensive midfielders.

My mistake on the Brum game, mate.

I think we had enough chances to win the Blackburn game, but it was the lack of finishing that cost us, not the formation.

You made no distinction about the PL though. I don't agree with 2 holding mids it equaling defensive and negative football.

We have done very well in PL games and CL games with that formation, namely when we had SG, Luis and Kewell interchanging behind the striker.

Rafa played 2 holding mids with Valencia and absolutely slaughtered us, but...
one point, I do however think that it is a formation that demands the right personnel, something we won't have until Xabi is back, and Kewell or An Other is back to play alongside SG and Babel behind Torres.

[Robster007]

I'm going to open this thread with a controversial statement regarding Masher:
I wouldn't like to pay more that £10m for a holding midfielder player. And I certainly wouldn't go anywhere near the reported £17m for him. For that kind of money I would want somebody who can hold,tackle,pass,score,dictate games, set up goals and is in general an all rounder (Xabi,Pirlo). £17m to 'hold'? No thanks.

I wouldn't call it controversial mate. When I look at my family in and around the Liverpool area, who've worked all their life at Ford's etc and have **** all to show for it really, it's hard to look at the money spent on, and wages given to "kids" from home or abroad. It's also hard to look at Manyoo winning so many titles over the last decade and a half.

The bottom line is that this is what we have to pay to knock those horrible manc ****s off their perch, and I for one am 100% behind letting the yanks spend their money to help us achieve that. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same deep down.

[Red Chilli]

My mistake on the Brum game, mate.

I think we had enough chances to win the Blackburn game, but it was the lack of finishing that cost us.

You made no distinction about the PL though. I don't agree with 2 holding mids it equaling defensive and negative football.

We have done very well in PL games and CL games with that formation, namely when we had SG, Luis and Kewell interchanging behind the striker.

Rafa played 2 holding mids with Valencia and absolutely slaughtered us, but...
one point, I do however think that it is a formation that demands the right personnel, something we won't have until Xabi is back, and Kewell or An Other is back to play alongside SG and Babel behind Torres.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that in the Champions league?

The premiership is a totally different animal, that's why Fergie's teams are **** in Europe but have won an amazing amount of league titles.

Like I say, fair eonugh if you want a mediocre performance week in week out in the premiership but the odd good wednesday night CL performance. i don't want that, I want us to compete in the premiership and anihilate the lesser teams with our passing and movement rather than this turgid benign hoofing nonsence which anyone with half a brain can defend against.

[tomasjj]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that in the Champions league?

The premiership is a totally different animal, that's why Fergie's teams are **** in Europe but have won an amazing amount of league titles.

Like I say, fair eonugh if you want a mediocre performance week in week out in the premiership but the odd good wednesday night CL performance. i don't want that, I want us to compete in the premiership and anihilate the lesser teams with our passing and movement rather than this turgid benign hoofing nonsence which anyone with half a brain can defend against.

Obviously talking past each other here.
I will leave it here.
No offense like.

[akjs123]

Yes it is. Negative, benign, boring and unsuccessful.

It's not about the names AFII, it's the way the team plays as a whole. It's about the tactics they employ.

6 at the back, I can't think of many things more boring.

Oh ffs, forget AFIIs formations. They are AFIIs formations not how Liverpool play. Either way you are wrong about 2 defensive midfielders. When Alonso plays along Gerrard, he plays as the defensive midfielder although he is naturally a playmaker. Alongside Sissoko or Masch, his job is primarily playmaking while helping out with defensive duties. Dont forget we reached 82 points with Sissoko and Alonso in the middle and Gerrard on the right.

[Red Chilli]

Obviously talking past each other here.
I will leave it here.
No offense like.

Sorry, I didn't think it was getting offensive, none intended here

I just think it's interesting how people watch those games where we play 6 at the back and yet they don't register the problem.
I suppose we all see games differently, the beauty of football

[Red Chilli]

Oh ffs, forget AFIIs formations. They are AFIIs formations not how Liverpool play. Either way you are wrong about 2 defensive midfielders. When Alonso plays along Gerrard, he plays as the defensive midfielder although he is naturally a playmaker. Alongside Sissoko or Masch, his job is primarily playmaking while helping out with defensive duties. Dont forget we reached 82 points with Sissoko and Alonso in the middle and Gerrard on the right.

That's different mate, esentially, one of those midfielders did attack because they had the room to get forward and hence we only had 1 defensive midfielder.

It's my opinion, check out our games where we have played 6 at the back it's really depressing stuff.

[akjs123]

That's different mate, esentially, one of those midfielders did attack because they had the room to get forward and hence we only had 1 defensive midfielder.

It's my opinion, check out our games where we have played 6 at the back it's really depressing stuff.

The thing is mate, Alonso alongside Mascher/Sissoko isnt playing as defensive midfielder like he plays alongside Gerrard. His pairing is something similar to Pirlo and Gattuso for Milan. One is the playmaker and one does the dirty work.

[tomasjj]

The thing is mate, Alonso alongside Mascher/Sissoko isnt playing as defensive midfielder like he plays alongside Gerrard. His pairing is something similar to Pirlo and Gattuso for Milan. One is the playmaker and one does the dirty work.

Yup. When you play Alonso and Masch, Alonso goes forward more.
With SG he stays back.