Manager stability

[Morph]

i've been meaning to say something about the managers situation in the league for a while now, so excuse my ramblings but here we go:

There's a few articles going round at the moment, talking about how many different clubs have changed managers recently, and got me thinking what ridiculous demands are placed on managers and how quite conceivably Rafa could have been out on his arse like the rest in his first season if not for the Euro cup and also an understanding board and fan base.

There are only 3 managers who've managed a prem side longer than Rafa, which in itself is quite astonishing:

Ferguson 21yrs
Wenger 11yrs
Moyes 5yrs

It can be argued all three are good at their jobs, Wenger and Fergusson, countless trophies between them and league titles, Moyes while he hasn't won anything with Everton (like it or not) has certainly built them up into a credible side no longer dicing with relegation every season and now in uefa cup spots, but these things only happen with time (usually).

It's a funny state of affairs when Rafa who's only been here 3yrs is among the top four longest serving prem managers. Coppell has been at his club longer but the same demands aren't placed on championship managers so we'll leave him for the moment.

So what would have happened if we hadn't had our run in the champs league, would he have been kicked out after his first season, a 5th place finish and no champs league football the following season or even a trophy. In my opinion he wouldn't have, I think generally speaking we have intelligent fans who could see Rafa was trying to build something, and that you can't base a managers ability on only a few games or even on just one season. We did have a board in place whom I think would have been happy to keep rafa on, but it does make me wonder if we still have that same attitude at the top of the club.

this was originally going to be a piece about how I hope the current regime don't sack rafa or force him out, but it seems after reading articles today things are sorted and we aren't going to change managers on whim. Before all of this you would probably have argued that Rafa, Moyes Wenger and Fergusson had some of the safest jobs in the league, and imo it's not just a coincidence that they are the longest serving managers.

Obiously there will always be anomalies like mourinho he won the league in only one season, or managers who haven't been forced out of a club because they keep a steady position in the league while not really going forwards (although there's not much evidence of this in the league at the moment)

but anyway that was pretty much all i wanted to say, feel free to discuss

[lfcruleus]

To be fair as a club we have always followed this path, but, the times have changed, i think he will be OK until the summer but if no progress has been made Premiership wise or we do not win the Champions League he may be under pressure. This pressure whilst they may not sack him may make Real Madrid more attractive, he will end up there IMHO, hopefully not too soon.
There is no doubt stability is vital for success, but in todays Premiership where money is everything the pressure on the boards to appease the fans will for success is enormous. You only have to look at Jol, he did wonders with Spurs for 2 seasons in my opinion and was gone after 3 bad months this season, fans expect the next level which is was always going to be hard for Tottenham to acheive.
It will be interesting to see what the expectation of Sven will be next season, assuming City get in the UEFA will "Frank Sinatra" expect CL the year after or he is gone? Time will tell.
Anyway Rafa will be fine cos we will come at least second this year, if we get to Christmas still unbeaten i think we will win it, 2 weeks in March will decide it with Mancs, Arse and Everton in a 3 game sequence.

[Morph]

There is no doubt stability is vital for success, but in todays Premiership where money is everything the pressure on the boards to appease the fans will for success is enormous. You only have to look at Jol, he did wonders with Spurs for 2 seasons in my opinion and was gone after 3 bad months this season, fans expect the next level which is was always going to be hard for Tottenham to acheive.

This is my point tho sometimes you have to have a strong board and ignore the fans or you need more understanding fans. In Jol's case he doesn't become **** overnight, i'd have given him at the very least until crimbo, he was the best manager they'd had for years, and i'm not convinced ramos is going to be a success over here but we'll see.

[The_weatherman]

I agree, Allardyce is going to be sacked any day now, like him or not but he's a decent manager with huge injury problems and had a big job on his hands when he took over. Southgate will probably also be sacked so there's not many left (Southgate does actually suck though so I understand that one).

Managers need time, and supporters as well as chairmen need to be a bit more patient, we can't all win and someone has to finish 10th.

[sonsofthedesert]

The avarage time a championship manager is in a job is 1 yr 3 months. They were showing it on sky sports news, scary the time managers are in jobs now. Made even worse by the thought that the stability brings success. If you think of Fergie, if he started with them now and had th same start he would be sacked and they would have missed their most succesful manager.

[sonsofthedesert]

I agree, Allardyce is going to be sacked any day now, like him or not but he's a decent manager with huge injury problems and had a big job on his hands when he took over. Southgate will probably also be sacked so there's not many left (Southgate does actually suck though so I understand that one).

Managers need time, and supporters as well as chairmen need to be a bit more patient, we can't all win and someone has to finish 10th.

Have you noticed the press have moved away from Rafa and are now thinking about fat head. The story on the press today is if they don't beat Arsenal he will be sacked. If that is true they might as well sack him now, they don't stand a chance.

[lfcruleus]

This is my point tho sometimes you have to have a strong board and ignore the fans or you need more understanding fans. In Jol's case he doesn't become **** overnight, i'd have given him at the very least until crimbo, he was the best manager they'd had for years, and i'm not convinced ramos is going to be a success over here but we'll see.

I think Ramos will do fine but still wont get Spurs above any of the big four unless Roman dies, or UTD go bust etc, It is the expectations of the next 5 or 6 biggest clubs like NUFC which kills managers, I for one hope Fat head Allerdyce gets potted as i hate the ****, but Southgate is another with expectations on his shoulders when their fans dont even turn up for the games!
Moyes has done wonders at the ****e but how long will it be till they start screaming for a trophy or a CL slot?
Money has caused all the problems with patience as the rich have got richer, and attract the best players, Torres was linked with Spurs before us but didnt want to know but he jumped at playing for us.
Hopefully we wont end up like Scotland but it isnt far away now if you think about it, you get the odd result like Bolton last week but its not often nowadays the big four lose a single game.

[dww]

I agree, Allardyce is going to be sacked any day now, like him or not but he's a decent manager with huge injury problems and had a big job on his hands when he took over. Southgate will probably also be sacked so there's not many left (Southgate does actually suck though so I understand that one).

Managers need time, and supporters as well as chairmen need to be a bit more patient, we can't all win and someone has to finish 10th.

I think the thing with Alladyce is he wasn't the chairmans pick and he spent a decent amount on defenders and they still defend like children. I would give him time but I rated what he did at Bolton.

Someone has to be given at least two/three years to impose their ideas at Newcastle but I imagine they will have to be the chairmans no.1 choice to get it as the fans are both vocal and over demanding.

[Darth Marty]

Allardyce had the biggest job in football taking over at Newcastle, they were **** before him and need lots of time to sort issues like that, any manager who gets employed by newcastle should have it written in his contract that he simply cannot get sacked for 5 years even if they are rubbish in the first 2-3 years, its that big of a job in my opinion.
I actually rate Allardyce quite highly, to be sacked at Newcastle this season would be a huge mistake and make a mockery of the club, for ****s sake who wants the job if you only have 6 months to make them world beaters?

[Johnny]

The Newcastle job will become untouchable if Sam gets the sack.

[sonsofthedesert]

The Newcastle job will become untouchable if Sam gets the sack.

That is true.

[MARTINOZ]

The Newcastle job will become untouchable if Sam gets the sack.

I'd take it on.
























And then run 'em into the ground in a matter of weeks.

[friedk]

A major problem is since we last won the league we've changed our manager every 4/5 seasons, and my fear is that if we continue with that trend it's very possible we end up like United without lifting the trophy for over 30 years.

I'm convinced that Rafa, whether it's this year or in five years time, will win us the league title. Equally I'm convinced that if Rafa leaves in the next few years we'll be starting again and I don't have a clue when we'll win it.