Sunday supplement on sky now

[kemm1]

James Lawton of The Independent is usually pretty good.

James Lawton is the best sports journo out there IMHO

[kemm1]

But I would say that 99% of footballers can't write, so they couldn't the journalist job either. They can't even write their own autobiographies.

Why do you think so many of them end up on SSN or 5 Live? Most of them have trouble speaking properly (Dean Saunder, Chris Waddle to name two).

Chris Waddle has **** grammer but his football content is better than most of those ex-football pundits

[dom9]

Chris Waddle has **** grammer but his football content is better than most of those ex-football pundits

You think?

He has me shouting at the radio sometimes. He talks **** continously, and his opinions are utter ****. But he is not unique in that unfortunately.

Oh, and he says pelanty.

I long for the days of Trevor Brooking, Bob Wilson and Jimmy Hill (well maybe not Jimmy). At least they could make their point eloquently.

I think one of the best in that respect, is Ray Wilkins, even if he is a former Manc.

[Dhav]

I certainly miss Trevor Brooking as a co-comentator. Glad Jimmy Armfield is back on 5 Live as well. Always thought he was good.

[timmokay]

And that **** Charlie ****ing cunt face Nicholas.

A very apt description of the horrible little fekker.

[Shaggy]

Read this splendid post on RAWK the other day and I feel it deserves to be posted here. It echoes everything I feel about Gray, his bile and his influence.

I’m becoming a bit neurotic. I’m becoming a little bit obsessive. I am finding myself transfixed by the biased and misleading coverage that Liverpool receive on a well know satellite network. The coverage tonight on Sky Sports was nothing short of disgusting.

For starters:


The pre-match coverage was bordering on absurd. Souness’ odd dismissal of Mascherano’s obvious abilities appeared bitter and ungenerous at best. Hoddle then chipped in to add weight to Souness’ assessment of one of the world’s most promising midfield talents. Richard Keys then labels Rafa as “silly” regarding the Gerrard substitution at Everton – this was needless and was simply digging up an old story. This was topped off with Gray criticising Voronin’s selection and the tone of Rafa’s press conference.

The match:


Andy Gray is something, else he really is. Let’s look at HIS performance tonight (because I’m dead sad I was listening out for his words as I’m becoming increasingly obsessed with his overtly anti-Liverpool witterings).

The opening half hour we were really convincing and this was plain for all to see. It was this section of the match that Andy Gray kept referring back to as an example of our good play. However, during those early exchanges Gray never once mentioned how well we were playing. We were banging the ball around with style and ease but it apparently went unnoticed by the former Everton man. In fact, his first comment on Torres’ goal was how bad the defending was.

His comments at half-time were geared towards Rafa. It was all about how he should bring Crouch on. This is a man who Gray lambasted during Crouch’s early Liverpool days. However, Gray’s great talent is to criticise you because of what you are not doing; who you haven’t picked, the system you’re not playing.

Gray’s second half performance was priceless. Yes, Liverpool were average in parts, but to listen to Gray’s acerbic bile you’d think they’d scored 8 own goals. He simply could not hide his disgust at the events of the final 15 minutes. Torres’ goal was met by the comment, “why on earth would you drop him?” It wasn’t about the great contribution Rafa’s sub (Kewell) had made. No, that would be positive. Gray was just reminding us all of the fact that Rafa is a dubious decision maker and that somehow, by hook or by crook his teams win occasionally – usually because of Stevie G, but sometimes they’re just lucky – like tonight!

As Liverpool ran away with it, listening to Gray, you’d have thought a draw was a fair result. Gray attempted to gloss over the result by repeating how much this result flattered us. He didn’t mention what great team spirit we showed in the face of difficult circumstances. He didn’t mention how over the 90 minutes Liverpool were the better team, despite an under-par second half.

Regardless of the incident, Andy Gray always seems to create a negative. Liverpool are his bete noir and he makes no effort to hide this fact. There is no sinister agenda here. The simple fact is that Andy Gray does not like Liverpool Football Club and it gets me sooo mad.

I know people will tell me to turn off or just listen to the radio, but this matters to me. It really does. Gray is an influential voice in English football and his comments serve as the drip, drip of poison. This poison is spread throughout the media and these negative vibes become the received wisdom. They become the throw-away clichés that lazy journalists throw at the team and management.

I can’t help it, I just care.

[dom9]

Read this splendid post on RAWK the other day and I feel it deserves to be posted here. It echoes everything I feel about Gray, his bile and his influence.

There's no doubting Gray is a complete retard when it comes to analysing football matches. I don't watch games not involving LFC very often, but when I do, his comments are just absurd as when he comments at our games.

He has so bees in his bonnet that I don't know where to start. Referees probably.

But the worst is his instant judgement of a 'incidents' for which 90% of, he retracts his comments after seeing a replay, but not by admitting he got it wrong. He just pretends he got it right all along. The 10% that he does call right first, you know about, because he is jumping up and down in his seat screaming 'I told you so, I told you so' like a ****ing toddler.

[dom9]

Oh - and the Final Word. What a joke of a programme that is. The master of knowing all with hindsight, on his high horse.

The real reason they give him all that pointless technology is to distract the viewer from his moronic analysis.

[Shaggy]

But the worst is his instant judgement of a 'incidents' for which 90% of, he retracts his comments after seeing a replay, but not by admitting he got it wrong. He just pretends he got it right all along. The 10% that he does call right first, you know about, because he is jumping up and down in his seat screaming 'I told you so, I told you so' like a ****ing toddler.

Hahaha, so true. He was at it again at the weekend when Birmingham made it 2-2 against Spurs.

"TOLD YOU! TOLD YOU!"

Er, no you ****ing didn't. In fact he "told us" the complete opposite, that Spurs should and probably would run away with it.

[BFG]

Gray is a tool but I always say that it's sky we should have a beef with, not him.

I'd find it hard to commentate on Everton or Manchester without letting my own feelings become obvious so you can't blame Gray for being a bluenose gob****e. Blame sky for letting the ****house commentate on our games.