The SG 'reach around' thread

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The position of the player doesn't have anything to do with being a playmaker or not, Seedorf and Aimar are completely different in their style, I think most would agree.

I agree. Very different. But the Seedorf at home against United was a playmaker in part of the game. At the end of the day I think it's important that you have more than one player who can take on that responsibility. When it's not working for Xavi you might see Deco takeover. It also depends on what kind of game the team is playing. In some games Pirlo might be the playmaker. In others, if you are pressing and in a lot of possession it might be Kaka droping deep or even Seedorf.

The term Playmaking isn't an exact science as we have seen from this debate. If a playmaker is marked out of the game the good teams always have a backup plan and as a consequence a backup playmaker. In many ways the term is a bit out dated because many teams has more than one player who dictates the pace etc etc. The days of Platini and Beckenbauer is over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmaker

In football, a playmaker is an attacking player who controls the flow of the team's offensive play, and is often involved in passing moves which lead to goals. The term overlaps somewhat with attacking midfielder, but playmakers are not constrained to a single position - creativity is the only true requirement, and good passing ability and tactical awareness help.

That is Gerrard to a key my friend.

[fred_plasticine]

I agree. Very different. But the Seedorf at home against United was a playmaker in part of the game. At the end of the day I think it's important that you have more than one player who can take on that responsibility. When it's not working for Xavi you might see Deco takeover. It also depends on what kind of game the team is playing. In some games Pirlo might be the playmaker. In others, if you are pressing and in a lot of possession it might be Kaka droping deep or even Seedorf.

The term Playmaking isn't an exact science as we have seen from this debate. If a playmaker is marked out of the game the good teams always have a backup plan and as a consequence a backup playmaker. In many ways the term is a bit out dated because many teams has more than one player who dictates the pace etc etc. The days of Platini and Beckenbauer is over.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playmaker

In football, a playmaker is an attacking player who controls the flow of the team's offensive play, and is often involved in passing moves which lead to goals. The term overlaps somewhat with attacking midfielder, but playmakers are not constrained to a single position - creativity is the only true requirement, and good passing ability and tactical awareness help.

That is Gerrard to a key my friend.

in the same wikipedia article there's a list of famous playmakers for each country: gerrard isn't on that list whereas xabi alonso is.

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in the same wikipedia article there's a list of famous playmakers for each country: gerrard isn't on that list whereas xabi alonso is.

Which is my point exactly. Gerrard is becoming the playmaker most of us thought he would never be

[Skillz]

in the same wikipedia article there's a list of famous playmakers for each country: gerrard isn't on that list whereas xabi alonso is.

That's a win for Fred

[dww]

I'm not sure it is. The definition given is good irrelevant of source and is not affected by the development of individual players. Whereas the list is fairly arbitary selection of good examples.

However I would rather use the term play maker to describe a specific type of player who dictates the pace and rythm of a game. I don't think Gerrad does this although he is more than capable of dominating a game like he did against Bolton.

[dww]

We had an interesting discussion about naming positions in this thread, the link is where the discussion starts but the last page is probably the most relevant (I think it is Speedy G who makes a nice list of midfield categories).

[fred_plasticine]

I'm not sure it is. The definition given is good irrelevant of source and is not affected by the development of individual players. Whereas the list is fairly arbitary selection of good examples.

However I would rather use the term play maker to describe a specific type of player who dictates the pace and rythm of a game. I don't think Gerrad does this although he is more than capable of dominating a game like he did against Bolton.

agreed.

[Dhav]

Not disagreeing with the majority of the sentiment in this thread, but do remember what Rafa did against Everton when he subbed him. Just because we needed someone who could be more calm and dictate play, and not try to do it all alone.

Not a pop at SG, but I reckon he gets to eager at times, but he is mostly an instinctive player, and we should look to give him the opportunity to follow those instincts most of the time.

If Steve McClown had the balls Rafa had, plus a good option on the bench like Lucas, then may be England would have made it to the Euros this summer.

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I'm not sure it is. The definition given is good irrelevant of source and is not affected by the development of individual players. Whereas the list is fairly arbitary selection of good examples.

However I would rather use the term play maker to describe a specific type of player who dictates the pace and rythm of a game. I don't think Gerrad does this although he is more than capable of dominating a game like he did against Bolton.

Well in, DWW. My point was that Gerrard did dictated the pace and rythm of the Bolton game in a way I thought that he couldn't. Not with that kind of focus over 90 mins. If he can continue that development with players like Torres around him no 19 is not far away. The Gerrard I saw Sunday was a General. Nothing like last season.

JohnDoe said that it was the team that was evolving and not Gerrard. I think he is partly right. The team is evolving but that is allowing Gerrard to progress with his development as well, after more than a year of stagnation.

[simey85]

Lucas is a real gem of a player finally someone that knows how to hold onto possession and play a more measured game!

[memzey]

All very interesting.

One thing I'd like to add is that where I'm from (East London) referring to someone as a 'reach around' implies they are homosexual

Alex would have something say about that I'm sure

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All very interesting.

One thing I'd like to add is that where I'm from (East London) referring to someone as a 'reach around' implies they are homosexual

Alex would have something say about that I'm sure

"Sgt. Hartman:, I bet you're the kind of guy that would fu** a person in the ass, and not even have the god damned common courtesy to give him a reach around"

It always made me laugh...

Maybe it was a lousy metaphor. But there has been an ongoing discussion over the past two years about where SG should play and I think that Stevie is proving the people who wanted him at CM right...

...as I said; a lousy metaphor or analogy - I forget...

And

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"Sgt. Hartman:, I bet you're the kind of guy that would fu** a person in the ass, and not even have the god damned common courtesy to give him a reach around"

It always made me laugh...

Maybe it was a lousy metaphor. But there has been an ongoing discussion over the past two years about where SG should play and I think that Stevie is proving the people who wanted him at CM right...

...as I said; a lousy metaphor or analogy - I forget...

And

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