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    #46
    Reading Alan Hansen's views and he thinks that Ferdinand is the standout defender in the prem. I actually really respected the mans views up until this point. WTF? And from a central defender too!

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      #47
      Originally posted by Alpha View Post
      Essien is box-to-box, not a holding midfielder.

      Compare him to Gerrard, not Masher.
      He is predominantly a holding midfielder for Chelsea. he has taken over Makalele's role. But yes, he has all round attributes and that's why I rate him higher than Masher.

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        #48
        Originally posted by superdan View Post
        Most clean sheets in a season




        There's no way Reina is on par with any other keeper other than Cech in the prem. He's miles better than them all and I think he's better than Cech aswell

        there's an unbiased opinion if I've ever seen one!

        He's still currently 3rd choice for Spain I think which tells us something.....

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          #49
          Originally posted by Alan Key View Post
          Reading Alan Hansen's views and he thinks that Ferdinand is the standout defender in the prem. I actually really respected the mans views up until this point. WTF? And from a central defender too!

          Ferdinand struggles with big physical players and that's where he lacks.

          I'd make him about 5th/6th bexst in prem...

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            #50
            Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
            Well unfortunately there's only 1 spot in goal and 2 in central mid and Cech takes the goalkeeping jersey hands down IMO and there are 3/4 keepers fighting for second best.

            Alonso is one of the best players in the world for me but Gerrard takes one of the midfield slots and there are defensive players like Essien that might partner him over alonso.

            masher is a top defensive mid but Essien is better and way better in attack....

            Players like Terry, carra, ferdinand, Carvalho, Toure and Gallas are all ahead of Agger IMO.

            Kewell years ago maybe but not now.

            Finnan might get in there I suppose...


            Actually I'd go 343 and this would be my line up.


            ----------------Cech

            --------Gallas--Terry---Carra


            Gerrard----Alonso--lampard------Ronaldo
            (liscense to move into hole)

            -----Rooney------Drogba---Torres

            Carvalho better than Agger

            Thank you for the joke
            Just believe and you never know what will happen.

            According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
              there's an unbiased opinion if I've ever seen one!

              He's still currently 3rd choice for Spain I think which tells us something.....
              That's not because I'm biased, of course I am but I honestly believe he's much better than every keeper in the prem bar Cech who he's very close to.

              His record says it all, yeah you can say he's made mistakes, but he's got the most clean sheets every season he's spent in the prem and he's possible the best person to have in goal when there's a peno being taken.

              International football is the biggest joke in the world. I dont rate Casillas as the best spanish keeper and I dont know who the 2nd choice is, but if I was the boss I'd have Pepe. Regardless of the fact I support Liverpool.
              Contrary to popular belief, I have huge genitals.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
                And I havn't even mentioned players like Fabregas and J. cole who I rate really highly......hmm, there are just not enough spots. I suppose the only ones that really stand out above the rest are Torres,Cech, gerrard, Terry, Ronaldo, Rooney and possibly Drogba
                cech doesnt stand out above reina, he may be better in your eyes, which is baffling as to me reina is the best all round keeper in the world, i dont think cech sweeps up as well as reina

                i would also not include rooney only becuase his best form is very hit and miss from month to month
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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
                  Ferdinand struggles with big physical players and that's where he lacks.

                  I'd make him about 5th/6th bexst in prem...
                  That's what i thought. But they've conceded 7 goals all season with him on the pitch and he made Torres look like a headless chicken.

                  EDIT: I must not come round to Hansen's way of talking, though he makes a valid point about the England team.

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by red g View Post
                    cech doesnt stand out above reina, he may be better in your eyes, which is baffling as to me reina is the best all round keeper in the world, i dont think cech sweeps up as well as reina

                    i would also not include rooney only becuase his best form is very hit and miss from month to month
                    If we're talking world, we're talking buffon by an absolute mile mo chara!

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by Alan Key View Post
                      That's what i thought. But they've conceded 7 goals all season with him on the pitch and he made Torres look like a headless chicken.

                      EDIT: I must not come round to Hansen's way of talking, though he makes a valid point about the England team.
                      He struggles against the real 'target men' if you like. they bounce him all over the shop and and win the majority of flickons. People like Mark Viduka or Drogba. a certain Jan venegoor of Hesselink gave me a right laugh the way he destroyed him for Celtic up at OT a couple years back!!

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
                        He is predominantly a holding midfielder for Chelsea. he has taken over Makalele's role. But yes, he has all round attributes and that's why I rate him higher than Masher.
                        Not true.

                        Chelsea haven't played with a settled midfield all season and when Essien has played, he has often been sharing the defensive responsibilty with Obi.

                        I promise you, when it comes to breaking-up play and pouncing on second balls, Essien is a distant second to Mascherano. Notice how Makelele is drafted back into the side to provide extra security when the Chavs play decent opposition.

                        As a box-to-box midfielder, of course Essien is better.
                        It's not good because it's rude. It's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
                          there's an unbiased opinion if I've ever seen one!

                          He's still currently 3rd choice for Spain I think which tells us something.....
                          He is second choice for Spain behind Casillas.
                          Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                          According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Alpha View Post
                            Not true.

                            Chelsea haven't played with a settled midfield all season and when Essien has played, he has often been sharing the defensive responsibilty with Obi.

                            I promise you, when it comes to breaking-up play and pouncing on second balls, Essien is a distant second to Mascherano. Notice how Makelele is drafted back into the side to provide extra security when the Chavs play decent opposition.

                            As a box-to-box midfielder, of course Essien is better.


                            Mascherano is an excellent box-to-box midfielder when he is plays in that position for Argentina so I really can't agree with that Essien is better in that position.

                            Rafa uses him as a holding midfielder and who can blame him for doing that when is the best HM in the world.
                            Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                            According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Nic83 View Post
                              If we're talking world, we're talking buffon by an absolute mile mo chara!
                              That I agree with.

                              It sickened me that Cech was suddenly acclaimed the best keeper in the world after his first (albeit impressive) season in the premiership and he is still considered the best by many now.

                              Buffon has been outstanding season after season after season.

                              Casillas is excellent but i don't think he is better than Reina, he just got to the Spanish gloves first and hasn't done anything to warrant losing them.
                              Last edited by Alpha; 27-12-07, 11:52 PM.
                              It's not good because it's rude. It's good because it looks like it's good because it's rude.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Alan Key View Post
                                Or is it?

                                I'm not sure the team i'm about to post (which i believe is the best prem XI) is biased in anyway, i just think it's the best.

                                Reina

                                Richards Carra Agger Evra

                                Ronaldo Gerrard Mascher Kewell/J.Cole (There are no good left wingers )

                                Torres Drogba

                                Reina aside, this team is pretty solid. Id have Cech in for Reina in a heartbeat, and swap Cole for Evra though. Likewise id plump for a fit Kewell over Joe Cole.

                                Those mentioning Ferdinand as a possible candidate His character aside (which leaves A LOT to be desired), theres no way he would break a Carra/Agger partnership. Wouldnt even make my subs bench as I rate Terry, Vidic and King all above him at centre-half.
                                Last edited by MerseyCider; 27-12-07, 11:50 PM.

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