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    #1

    For once and for all...

    I posted this on the other thread, but since so many people use the Valencia example, i'll give it its own thread so that people can either agree or disagree and explain why they disagree...hopefully without abuse

    It's obviously about why i dont think Rafa's title wins in Spain mean anything with regards to proving he can win the Premier League...



    I dont see why people cant grasp that it's different.

    His Valencia title winning sides won the league with 77 and 75 points.

    Where do you think that would leave you in the Premier League? About third is the answer.

    The difference when he was at Valencia, was that you probably COULD afford to draw quite a few games that you're expected to win. He could probably afford to draw at home to La Liga's equivalents to Brum, Wigan and Spurs. It doesnt work that way here.

    Even last season, La Liga was won by 76 points. That's all. 76. The season before it was 82 (and Barca won it by 12 points, meaning a tally in the early 70s would've still won it).

    Before that, it was 84. This was the highest points tally recorded in La Liga since 1997.

    In La Liga, they only started giving 3 points for a win from the 1995-1996 season...and they only dropped down to 20 league clubs (and 38 league games) from 1997-1998. So i'll use 1997-1998 upto 2006-2007 for my example. 10 years worth.

    During this time period, the average total points tally for the league champions in spain is 77.4 points.

    During the same period in the Premier League, the average total points tally for the leeague champions is 86.3 points.

    So that's a difference of basically 9 points.

    During those 10 years, the highest tally for La Liga champions was 84, achieved by Barcelona in 2004-2005.

    84 points would only have won you the Premier League in four out of those 10 years.

    In 1999-2000, Deportivo won La Liga with just 69 points.

    During the whole history of the Premier League, 69 points would only once have seen a side finish above 3rd...and that's only one solitary season. In all the other seasons, 69 points would've got you a 3rd or 4th placed finish.


    Now do you see why Rafa's methodology that won him La Liga is meaningless here? Because you need to achieve far more to win the Premier League than you do to win La Liga.

    If someone can argue my point, then please do so.

    I've backed this up with facts and statistics. If someone can dispute it doing the same thing, then fair play.
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    #2
    I thought new threads are for when you have something new to say? you've been saying this for months Syd, and how ever many times you've said it, I still dont think it's particularly relevant.
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      #3
      great post
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        #4
        I'm glad for you that you think your opinions are so much better than anybody else' that they require their own thread!
        Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

        **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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          #5
          We know
          Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
          'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

          "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

          * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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            #6
            Originally posted by bazza76 View Post
            We know
            It's his opinion though so it needs a thread of its own!!
            Babel fanclub member # 4!!!

            **** OFF MOURINHO!!!!!!:whatever:

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              #7
              Originally posted by kurtangle01 View Post
              I'm glad for you that you think your opinions are so much better than anybody else' that they require their own thread!
              Bill shankly to Tommy Smith after he'd turned up for training with a bandaged knee:
              'Take that poof bandage off, and what do you mean YOUR knee, it's LIVERPOOL'S knee !'

              "Sorry, boss, I should have kept my legs together," said Lawrence. "No, Tommy, your mother should have kept her legs together!," replied Shankly.

              * After Tommy Lawrence had let in a fluke goal between his legs

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                #8
                Excellent post DJ. Basically what your saying is it is harder to win the Premiership than La LIga. Exactly why we should afford Rafa the necessary time.
                Dare we believe

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DJS View Post
                  I posted this on the other thread, but since so many people use the Valencia example, i'll give it its own thread so that people can either agree or disagree and explain why they disagree...hopefully without abuse

                  It's obviously about why i dont think Rafa's title wins in Spain mean anything with regards to proving he can win the Premier League...



                  I dont see why people cant grasp that it's different.

                  His Valencia title winning sides won the league with 77 and 75 points.

                  Where do you think that would leave you in the Premier League? About third is the answer.

                  The difference when he was at Valencia, was that you probably COULD afford to draw quite a few games that you're expected to win. He could probably afford to draw at home to La Liga's equivalents to Brum, Wigan and Spurs. It doesnt work that way here.

                  Even last season, La Liga was won by 76 points. That's all. 76. The season before it was 82 (and Barca won it by 12 points, meaning a tally in the early 70s would've still won it).

                  Before that, it was 84. This was the highest points tally recorded in La Liga since 1997.

                  In La Liga, they only started giving 3 points for a win from the 1995-1996 season...and they only dropped down to 20 league clubs (and 38 league games) from 1997-1998. So i'll use 1997-1998 upto 2006-2007 for my example. 10 years worth.

                  During this time period, the average total points tally for the league champions in spain is 77.4 points.

                  During the same period in the Premier League, the average total points tally for the leeague champions is 86.3 points.

                  So that's a difference of basically 9 points.

                  During those 10 years, the highest tally for La Liga champions was 84, achieved by Barcelona in 2004-2005.

                  84 points would only have won you the Premier League in four out of those 10 years.

                  In 1999-2000, Deportivo won La Liga with just 69 points.

                  During the whole history of the Premier League, 69 points would only once have seen a side finish above 3rd...and that's only one solitary season. In all the other seasons, 69 points would've got you a 3rd or 4th placed finish.


                  Now do you see why Rafa's methodology that won him La Liga is meaningless here? Because you need to achieve far more to win the Premier League than you do to win La Liga.

                  If someone can argue my point, then please do so.

                  I've backed this up with facts and statistics. If someone can dispute it doing the same thing, then fair play.


                  As I said on the other thread this is very interesting but not relevant mate.

                  By your logic, no winning manager og La Liga would win the league here as they are used to winning the title with lless points than is usually possible here. So bang goes Capello and Riykaard and anyone else who has won La Liga as well.

                  Also Serie A is a similar story. apart from last year when Inter scooted in with 90 odd points, its regularly own with 78 to 82 points which would be useless in England as far as title wins goes. So any Serie A title winner is out as well for LFC. That means bye bye to Capello again, Lippi, Mancini etc.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by kurtangle01 View Post
                    I'm glad for you that you think your opinions are so much better than anybody else' that they require their own thread!
                    he has a very good point in my opinion backed up with some good stats.

                    comparing epl to la liga is only relevant to a point.

                    rafa needs to rethink his strategy if we are going to win the prem.

                    we need 2 or 3 more match winners if we are going to challenge.

                    1 more quality forward and 2 quality wide men who can chip in with 8 or 9 goals a season.
                    gerardo bruna fanclub member no. 1

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dhavlos View Post
                      I thought new threads are for when you have something new to say? you've been saying this for months Syd, and how ever many times you've said it, I still dont think it's particularly relevant.
                      So it belongs in the 'Mourinho wants rafa's job thread' then?

                      Even though it's a totally different topic to that?

                      Why dont you just put me on ignore dhavlos, it'd save you having a needless pop every time i post something.

                      If you have comments to make that are relevant to the topic, then i'd love to read them. If you think my assessment is wrong, then please say so and back it up. If not, then i fail to see what point there is in posting something which is completely irrelevant.

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                        #12
                        thanks for the info guillem!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Sir Bob View Post
                          As I said on the other thread this is very interesting but not relevant mate.

                          By your logic, no winning manager og La Liga would win the league here as they are used to winning the title with lless points than is usually possible here. So bang goes Capello and Riykaard and anyone else who has won La Liga as well.

                          Also Serie A is a similar story. apart from last year when Inter scooted in with 90 odd points, its regularly own with 78 to 82 points which would be useless in England as far as title wins goes. So any Serie A title winner is out as well for LFC. That means bye bye to Capello again, Lippi, Mancini etc.
                          DJS has nailed his flag firmly to the mast. His post is only relevant to the extent that it suits his anti-Rafa, pro-Mourinho agenda
                          White liquid in a bottle = Milk

                          Purslow = C*nt

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sir Bob View Post
                            As I said on the other thread this is very interesting but not relevant mate.

                            By your logic, no winning manager og La Liga would win the league here as they are used to winning the title with lless points than is usually possible here. So bang goes Capello and Riykaard and anyone else who has won La Liga as well.

                            Also Serie A is a similar story. apart from last year when Inter scooted in with 90 odd points, its regularly own with 78 to 82 points which would be useless in England as far as title wins goes. So any Serie A title winner is out as well for LFC. That means bye bye to Capello again, Lippi, Mancini etc.
                            Basically then, the only managers we could have are:

                            Fergusson
                            Dalglish
                            Wenger
                            Mourinho
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                            (1995)
                            "A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government"

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by kurtangle01 View Post
                              I'm glad for you that you think your opinions are so much better than anybody else' that they require their own thread!
                              It's a completely separate issue from the 'Jose wants Rafa's job' topic, is it not?

                              Kinell, you're an embarrassment sometimes with your pathetic vendetta. And you're not alone in that. How about post about the topic or dont post?

                              Or are you only capable of posting digs?

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