For once and for all...

[kurtangle01]

yep him and evil knievel say no to drugs kids, coz we want them all

[red g]

So Hulk Hogan was lying when he said 'Say your prayers and eat your vitamins'? What he really meant was 'Snort that line and inject those steroids'?

The Ultimate Warrior...that guy was a ****ing classic!!!!!

he was the daddy on the wwf arcade game

[bazza76]

The Ultimate Warrior...that guy was a ****ing classic!!!!!

He was my all time favourite

[Fiddy]

I posted this on the other thread, but since so many people use the Valencia example, i'll give it its own thread so that people can either agree or disagree and explain why they disagree...hopefully without abuse

It's obviously about why i dont think Rafa's title wins in Spain mean anything with regards to proving he can win the Premier League...



I dont see why people cant grasp that it's different.

His Valencia title winning sides won the league with 77 and 75 points.

Where do you think that would leave you in the Premier League? About third is the answer.

The difference when he was at Valencia, was that you probably COULD afford to draw quite a few games that you're expected to win. He could probably afford to draw at home to La Liga's equivalents to Brum, Wigan and Spurs. It doesnt work that way here.

Even last season, La Liga was won by 76 points. That's all. 76. The season before it was 82 (and Barca won it by 12 points, meaning a tally in the early 70s would've still won it).

Before that, it was 84. This was the highest points tally recorded in La Liga since 1997.

In La Liga, they only started giving 3 points for a win from the 1995-1996 season...and they only dropped down to 20 league clubs (and 38 league games) from 1997-1998. So i'll use 1997-1998 upto 2006-2007 for my example. 10 years worth.

During this time period, the average total points tally for the league champions in spain is 77.4 points.

During the same period in the Premier League, the average total points tally for the leeague champions is 86.3 points.

So that's a difference of basically 9 points.

During those 10 years, the highest tally for La Liga champions was 84, achieved by Barcelona in 2004-2005.

84 points would only have won you the Premier League in four out of those 10 years.

In 1999-2000, Deportivo won La Liga with just 69 points.

During the whole history of the Premier League, 69 points would only once have seen a side finish above 3rd...and that's only one solitary season. In all the other seasons, 69 points would've got you a 3rd or 4th placed finish.


Now do you see why Rafa's methodology that won him La Liga is meaningless here? Because you need to achieve far more to win the Premier League than you do to win La Liga.

If someone can argue my point, then please do so.

I've backed this up with facts and statistics. If someone can dispute it doing the same thing, then fair play.

You can only beat whatever's put in front of you, I think all those stats are totally redundant. I can't be arsed looking up any stats but I'm sure your beloved Mourinho had a much easier ride in Portugal and he won the league here. You're basically saying Rafa doesn't know what it takes to win the PL, right? FFS anyone would think the guy doesn't actually want to win every game

Besides, at the moment Arsenal top our league after 21 games with 50 points, and Real top La Liga after 18 games with 44 points. So 2 wins and a draw puts them 'level'.

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Didn't read all the thread but I guess that the discussion didn't evolve from page 1 until the last one.

[Maestro]

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