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    A Case for the Defence

    Thinking about todays result i started doing a bit a bit of research, and as much as we are missing chances or not creating enough, for me whats gone wrong recently is our defensive play.

    Now in past seasons our defence has been rock solid, clean sheets left right and center and was something Rafa and the team were rightly comended for.

    Now we started the season well conceeding 2 goals in our first 7 and we won and drew one of those 2 matches we conceded in. (we played 2 CL matches hyypia played instead of agger and we conceded 2 goals one draw on defeat).

    However then Agger picked up his injury and things started to go wrong

    We then went on to concede 4 in our next 3, dropping 4 points from these matches - 1 win 2 draws, (thats also not included the abysmal performance against besiktas in which we also conceded 2 goals).

    We did go on a nice run of 4 prem without conceding won 3 and drew one (the wins against newcastle, fulham and Bolton tho), and our 8-0 trouncing of the toothless besiktas. We leaked 1 against porto but it didn't matter too much as we put 4 past them.

    This is now when things started to go to pot:

    In our last 7 league matches weve conceded 8 goals, thats over 1 per game, this gave us 2 defeats, 3 draws and 2 wins.

    If we'd been playing at the same level as we did at the start of the season and only conceded 2 in 7, instead of our points tally being 9, it might have been 17 putting us right back in the title race.


    So my point is that while I admit our performances in certain matches have been **** and we've not been making the most of our chances, if the defense had been at it's usual level and had we not had agger out for so long (lets not forget this is the basis of rafa's football philosophy), we wouldn't be leeking odd goals and 1-1 draws become 1-0 wins, and that is where I think our team has gone wrong recently.

    Thankyou any questions
    Thomas Hicks Senior

    #2
    Yes, defence has been one of our problems.

    No need for the thread, we know this already

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      #3
      Agger's return should help. We need everytinh we can get at the moment.
      I'm playing all the right notes. Not necessarily in the right order. I'll give you that, sunshine.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Ben Tover View Post
        Yes, defence has been one of our problems.

        No need for the thread, we know this already
        but my point is I don't think it's one of the problems, I think it's the problem ( well as far as explaining our slump since the start of the season)
        Thomas Hicks Senior

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          #5
          We conceded one goal today - it still shouldn't have stopped us winning.

          Ditto Wigan at home.

          Ditto Luton away.

          Our problem is we're negative and predictable. The only time the shackles come off is when we NEED a goal. Otherwise it's "keep it tight lads. Keep it tight".
          Liverpool born and bred.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Howard_lfc View Post
            We conceded one goal today - it still shouldn't have stopped us winning.

            Ditto Wigan at home.

            Ditto Luton away.

            Our problem is we're negative and predictable. The only time the shackles come off is when we NEED a goal. Otherwise it's "keep it tight lads. Keep it tight".
            your missing the point, it wouldn't have stopped us winning if we hadn't conceded the goals we did, which we weren't doing at the start of the season, untill agger got injured, or he wasn't playing CL games case in point
            Thomas Hicks Senior

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              #7
              Originally posted by Morph View Post
              but my point is I don't think it's one of the problems, I think it's the problem ( well as far as explaining our slump since the start of the season)
              Nope, its one of our problems. We can't finish chances, can't create chances, dominate crap teams.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Morph View Post
                your missing the point, it wouldn't have stopped us winning if we hadn't conceded the goals we did, which we weren't doing at the start of the season, untill agger got injured, or he wasn't playing CL games case in point
                But IF we score more goals, then conceding one against Wignan, Luton, Boro wouldn't matter
                Bring Back Pako


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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Ben Tover View Post
                  Nope, its one of our problems. We can't finish chances, can't create chances, dominate crap teams.
                  but that hasn't changed since the start of the season
                  Thomas Hicks Senior

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Colemere View Post
                    But IF we score more goals, then conceding one against Wignan, Luton, Boro wouldn't matter
                    no it wouldn't but again thats not the point

                    in our first 7 league games if you exclude the freak result v derby we scored 6 goals (12 with it) and conceded 2

                    in our last 7 league games we have scored 9 goals (also a happy medium between 6 and 12) and conceded 8

                    so i think you'd agree we are not really scoring any less goals than we were at the start of the season, but we are conceding 4 times as many and it's costing us points
                    Thomas Hicks Senior

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Morph View Post
                      no it wouldn't but again thats not the point

                      in our first 7 league games if you exclude the freak result v derby we scored 6 goals (12 with it) and conceded 2

                      in our last 7 league games we have scored 9 goals (also a happy medium between 6 and 12) and conceded 8

                      so i think you'd agree we are not really scoring any less goals than we were at the start of the season, but we are conceding 4 times as many and it's costing us points
                      Bring Back Pako


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                        #12
                        I agree with your overall statement that our defence is not as good as in the start of the season, but I disagree on the matter that it is the reason for our poor form. Our problem is that we don't create enough forward going. We are scoring some 1.5 goals a game, which is not enough to be a top team. We can't expect the defence to pull of some 19-20 clean sheets in a season to be in the top. If they did and we still kept the score rate, it might get us closer - but still no title. It would only give us a bad rep of playing defensively...

                        I still belive that our main problem is midfield (and backup for Torres or perhaps a class partner). We really need to get better wingers, and not least a creative midfielder. We have to many defensive minded midfielders - they are great players don't get me wrong, they however leave way to much creative initiative to other players...

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Darkon View Post
                          I agree with your overall statement that our defence is not as good as in the start of the season, but I disagree on the matter that it is the reason for our poor form. Our problem is that we don't create enough forward going. We are scoring some 1.5 goals a game, which is not enough to be a top team. We can't expect the defence to pull of some 19-20 clean sheets in a season to be in the top. If they did and we still kept the score rate, it might get us closer - but still no title. It would only give us a bad rep of playing defensively...

                          I still belive that our main problem is midfield (and backup for Torres or perhaps a class partner). We really need to get better wingers, and not least a creative midfielder. We have to many defensive minded midfielders - they are great players don't get me wrong, they however leave way to much creative initiative to other players...
                          Originally posted by Morph View Post
                          no it wouldn't but again thats not the point

                          in our first 7 league games if you exclude the freak result v derby we scored 6 goals (12 with it) and conceded 2

                          in our last 7 league games we have scored 9 goals (also a happy medium between 6 and 12) and conceded 8

                          so i think you'd agree we are not really scoring any less goals than we were at the start of the season, but we are conceding 4 times as many and it's costing us points

                          thanks for responding, can i refer you to this post i made later, which i think proves how the defence has been the main factor in our problems, we are scoring no less but conceding more, but sure we've been ****e in a good few matches now, we'd still have won if the defence hadn't leaked goals
                          Thomas Hicks Senior

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                            #14
                            Without Agger a lot of hoofing and I mean a lot. That means that we must first win the ball back and then try and create something against a packed defense. You almost never see a quick counter attack from us.

                            With Agger we don't hoof anywhere near as much and that means that we can attack against a less organized defense and that means more space to work with.
                            Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                            According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by AFII View Post
                              Without Agger a lot of hoofing and I mean a lot. That means that we must first win the ball back and then try and create something against a packed defense. You almost never see a quick counter attack from us.

                              With Agger we don't hoof anywhere near as much and that means that we can attack against a less organized defense and that means more space to work with.
                              yep, i agree i think he's been a massive loss
                              Thomas Hicks Senior

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