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[Jazzmaster]

Please describe what the nature of this evidence might be? It's something that you bring up often but never define.

As mentioned previously, why no refutation from the club of the Klinsmann story when 2 weeks ago they made a huge fuss about dismissing the Capello story? I would say that the fact that this hasn't happened gives a pretty good indicator (an evidence of sort if you like) that there is a lack of support at the top-level for the manager.

I have to agree with Tom on this one. The patent LACK of support from the chairman, board and even some players is evidence enough in today's world that rafa is not popular where it counts. The club moves to deny other reports quickly enough so why not these ones?

[Tom]

Had Johnny Evans played for us the press would still be talking about it.
Had he been shipped out to Sunderland the press would still be talking about it.
Had 3 of our young players been caught with Hookers the press would still be talking about it.

[B]There is definatly an anti-Liverpool agenda in the press.They smell blood and hope that if they sling enough **** it will stick.

Fans like you buying into it and following their agenda is what saddens me.

Oh get outta here. You doing me a disservice. Following an agenda? I'm rafa's biggest fan.

This pathetic whinging about an anti-liverpool bias is frankly embarrassing self-pitying bollocks. 2 of the stories about rafa yesterday in the national and regional press where written by season-ticket holders, how does that sit with your "media conspiracey" theory.

[Johnny]

Please describe what the nature of this evidence might be? It's something that you bring up often but never define.

As mentioned previously, why no refutation from the club of the Klinsmann story when 2 weeks ago they made a huge fuss about dismissing the Capello story? I would say that the fact that this hasn't happened gives a pretty good indicator (an evidence of sort if you like) that there is a lack of support at the top-level for the manager.

I`d say it`s the usual LFC boardroom inadequacies.

What about Gillettes statement saying it was all a misunderstanding(Compairing it to his marriage)?You just going to ignore a statement from "The Top-Level????


But you seem hellbent on highlighting every little problem and magnifying it.Why????

[Johnny]

Oh get outta here. You doing me a disservice. Following an agenda? I'm rafa's biggest fan.

This pathetic whinging about an anti-liverpool bias is frankly embarrassing self-pitying bollocks. 2 of the stories about rafa yesterday in the national and regional press where written by season-ticket holders, how does that sit with your "media conspiracey" theory.

Name them!!!

[Exiled_red]

Whatever you believe, the current situation isn't good for the club. With all the speculation obviously affecting everyone. I feel that if the board back Rafa they should come out and say that they want Rafa to be here next season which should kill all these stories and let us concentrate on matters on the pitch!!

[Tom]

I`d say it`s the usual LFC boardroom inadequacies.

What about Gillettes statement saying it was all a misunderstanding(Compairing it to his marriage)?You just going to ignore a statement from "The Top-Level????


But you seem hellbent on highlighting every little problem and magnifying it.Why????

Spinning like a ****ing top.

You know why, I think why I do, I'm not going to repeat it.

[Joe Le Toff]

DIC can probably use some of their influence so G&H won't get a loan.

Superb!!

[Tom]

Name them!!!

Maddock and Green. The links were even in the arab thread.

[Johnny]

Really? Parry's being refuting stories about the yanks and capello all through xmas. Suddenly he's shut up, despite a huge wave of stories saying Rafa is going to be sacked. Under the circumstances you'd expect the club to issue some kind of statement like they managed with the Rafa to Madrid stories last year. The silence is defeaning.

You can choose to dismiss this as some kind of administrative cock-up if you like.

And you can choose to ignore Gillettes statement on Rafa`s future and cling to the notion that a non-statement means something.

[Johnny]

Spinning like a ****ing top.

You know why, I think why I do, I'm not going to repeat it.

What about Gillettes statement saying it was all a misunderstanding(Compairing it to his marriage)?You just going to ignore a statement from "The Top-Level????

[Tom]

And you can choose to ignore Gillettes staement on Rafa`s future and cling to the notion that a non-statement means something.

Since then we've had detailed stories about Klinsmann, we've had rafa briefing off the record that he's going to get sacked, we've had stories about capello getting the liverpool job. We've had national figures that are season ticket holders at the club publish stories backing this up.

The only story that has been refuted has been the capello story.

[Johnny]

Since then we've had detailed stories about Klinsmann, we've had rafa briefing off the record that he's going to get sacked, we've had stories about capello getting the liverpool job.

The only story that has been refuted has been the capello story.

And the Chairman saying personally that it was all a big misunderstanding and if the same thing happened in his marriage he have been divorced years ago.


You`ll continue to ignore statements from the only people who actually know whats happening while listening to "STORIES".

As you said,it`s a spinning top,I bid you good day Sir.

[Dhav]

I've not read the whole thread, but I feel compelled to comment on these two posts as soon as I read them.

We had some poor performances this season under Rafa long before the stuff with the owners bubbled to the surface and, having responded well to it, it was his fault the momentum was lost domestically.

Going 4-3-3 against Reading was not necessary. Leto could have come in, he surely wouldn't have done a poorer job than Crouch playing left-wing on a ground where he already had a solid performance earlier in the season.

As for Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd at home, well last season Crouch scored a hat-trick in one, setup the opener in the other and didn't get to start the Utd game in which Kuyt spent most of it bursting a gut trying to keep up with Bellamy. This season Crouch has started none of them and we've taken 2 from a possible 9 points, compared with 6 from 9.

The uncertainty from the owners is not a good thing for the club but it's quite frankly ludicrous to suggest it is to blame for Rafa's questionable team selections and formations that have seen us losing any kind of flow to our game. If he was using the players he has now properly then his position would be more secure because the results would make it that way.

Bringing up the Reading game is not the best example. He was under extraordinary pressure in the run up to the Marseille game, to win, get the extra revenue towards his transfer kitty, possibly even to save his job. Yes he said he would prioritise the league this season, which may be should have meant not taking Gerrard and Torres off when we still had a chance of wining the game, but if there were rumours that keeping your job depended on the result of the following game would you have one eye on that game as well? And whatever team/formation Rafa selected, it doesnt change the fact that the team out there was good enough to win, and probably would have if it wasn't for individual errors (actually it was more than that, it was gross stupidity) from the senior players ie Gerrard and Carra, and some highly questionable refereeing decisions. Remember up to that point we were undefeated in the league.

You may think the pressure he is working under should not affect how he does his job. Perhaps. But it doesn't change the fact that it probably is. He is only human, having to be followed by this constant speculation, being asked to comment about it all the time, hearing rumours he's to be sacked, that his job has been offered around, all the time when it seems the board are not reassuring him, that must take its toll. It must take some focus and concentration off doing his job. Aren't workers in ordinary jobs often demotivated when there are rumours of lay-offs? Why shouldn't football managers be any different? You think it's ludicrous that the speculation is affecting him. I disagree, I think it has also permeated the players as well. I can see no other reason why they have been so abject for so long. Look at Mourinho last season, and the speculation that he would be gone imminently - he failed to win the league despite having the most expensively assem,bled squad in history. May be a coincidence, on the other hand there may some correlation. I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand though.

As for Crouch, well last season's performances mean nothing this season - he's been poor and IMO not particularly worthy of a starting place. I struggle to think of one game he's started this season and managed to match his performances of last. For a man who needs to seize his chance when he starts to impress the manager, that is surprising. You'll say that Voronin and Kuyt have been poor also, and I agree, but those two seem to be putting in more effort when they play.

We can all question his tactics - because that's the nature of football.

We laud him when he gets it right and have a go when he gets it wrong - which he has done this season with strange team selections and formations. Anyone who understands football can see that we have thrown away points this season. And quite frankly his treatment of Crouch is bordering in disgraceful.

If something doesn't change then I can't see things improving anytime soon. Number 19 seems an awful long way away..............

Lauding him when he gets it right? I wish that were the case mate, but sadly this year Rafa has too often been criticised even when he's made big decision that have paid off. Personally I think taking off Gerrard in the derby was a masterstroke, sometimes on this big occasions the man is too impulsive and you need someone who is calmer with a bit more composure (see his performance v Croatia), in this case Lucas, who I thought did particularly well. We win the game, Lucas plays a crucial role in the winner but Rafa gets panned for taking off his best player and it's the ref that gets him out of jail.

I can't agree that the treatment of Crouch is bordering on disgraceful either. Yes, I would have liked to have seen him get more playing time, but someone who is playing so rarely needs to seize his opportunity when selected, and when he has played I think we can agree ont he whole he's been poor, particularly when he's started. Coming off the bench he's looked more of a threat. We don't know what his commitment and attitude has been like behind the scenes, on the training ground, but if his on the pitch performances are anything to go by I would suggest that they haven't up to standard.

I do agree that Rafa has been chopping and changing too much, and that the players would benefit from a more settled line-up and team, but if I know Rafa I imagine that his plan for the second part of the season is to play a more settled line-up and formation, as he did in 2005-6.

[Johnny]

I`d say the Yanks not being used to the British Presses style of hounding have decided to keep shctum.Thev`e probably realised very quickly what scum the Brit press are and won`t play ball.This is speculation on my behalf of course.

[Tom]

And the Chairman saying personally that it was all a big misunderstanding and if the same thing happened in his marriage he have been divorced years ago.


You`ll continue to ignore statements from the only people who actually know whats happening while listening to "STORIES".

As you said,it`s a spinning top,I bid you good day Sir.

I happen not to trust the 2 people running the club. The evidence of this, being that they've done more reversals than an italian tank driver. There's your evidence for you, stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Your desire to believe what these 2 lying, greedy neo-con ****s are saying is very touching.