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    The inevitable perspective thread

    1. There is far too much anti-american sentiment on these boards at the moment. The owners ave funded the purchase of Fernando Torres, are funding the building of a new stadium and are essentially ensuring that we do not fall further behind in the financial aspects of club football. Im not exactly sure what people think that these man have done wrong. Were they acting with folly to seek out a replacement for rafa when it looked to all that he might leave the club? Lest we forget, it was the spaniard that began publicising the fallout between him and the owners, and that decision continues to backfire on him. It was a massive error of judgement on his part and only time will tell whether or not he will pay the ultimate price for that infamous press conference. Hicks' commentary from yesterday may have been a bit misguided but essentially he was totally honest about what had happened and should not be lynched for giving us the truth. Not the liverpool way certainly, but did benitez himself act in the liverpool way when he threw his toys out of the pram? No.

    2. Despite all this hullabaloo, it seems to be the press that is putting benitez on the brink, rather than the owners themselves. they have now backed rafa 100% and put their differences behind them. Whether this holds to be true in the long term, only time will tell, but until something happens, nothing anyone says elsewhere should be considered to be the gospel truth. Some of the stories coming out in the press are ridiculous, but bull**** stories sell newspapers and thus they are going to milk it for as long as they can. Every sensationalist story HAS to be treated with a pinch of salt until the actual facts are made known.

    3. Even if none of this had happened, Rafa's position would most likely be in doubt come the summer anyway. Another tepid performance in the title race have left many disillusioned with his ability to form a proper challenge for No19 and rightly so. To hell with gross spend and net spend and comparisons with the other top4 - we should be doing better and perhaps a change of manager would not be the worst thing in the world. Some want to give him more time but there has been little evidence to show that he can improve us in the league. Granted, his recent comments in relation to wanting to stay at the club are exactly what a fan wants to hear from the manager, exactly. He is a gent who loves the club and I wish he had what is takes to challenge for the league, I really do. But so far, it seems he does not. He has done a fantastic job in relation to re-structuring the youth academy and has brought in some top players (emphasize some) etc and perhaps another season with the man at the helm would not be the worst thing in the world. Its a tough decision.

    4. There is no better manager for the Champions League though and this should be borne in mind by the owners as the financial rewards for success in that competition are huge. However, I have my doubts as to whether continued success in the CL at the expense of the PL will appease the fans for much longer if at all.

    We are at a crossroads, and only time will tell if we have taken the right path. However, i still think that this is a positive time to be an LFC supporter and the doom and gloom of recent days is only a blip on our continued rise back to the top of world football.

    Nobody said it was going to be easy.
    Last edited by Jazzmaster; 15-01-08, 01:54 PM.
    Fernando Torres

    I dont just love him, I'm IN love with him

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    [QUOTE=Jazzmaster;893178]1. There is far too much anti-american sentiment on these boards at the moment. The owners ave funded the purchase of Fernando Torres

    This is where I stopped.

    They didn't. It was financed by a loan...a loan that the club carries, if I remember correctly.
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      #3
      Well said
      Oh I don't know.

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        #4
        [QUOTE=tomasjj;893182]
        Originally posted by Jazzmaster View Post
        1. There is far too much anti-american sentiment on these boards at the moment. The owners ave funded the purchase of Fernando Torres

        This is where I stopped.

        They didn't. It was financed by a loan...a loan that the club carries, if I remember correctly.

        Ok picky, would we have bought him without the owners? :whatever:
        Fernando Torres

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          #5
          [QUOTE=Jazzmaster;893195]
          Originally posted by tomasjj View Post


          Ok picky, would we have bought him without the owners? :whatever:
          Yes because DIC would have bought, we'd probably have Eto to, these dickheads need to go

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            #6
            No, probably not, but they didn't pay for him. LFC did.

            As for your first sentence in your second point. Do you really believe that after the latest Hicks statement?
            There is a tiny tiny chance that Hicks is so ignorant about how this works in the UK and thought the truth would be best, but I highly doubt that.
            Klinsmann a very impressive man...**** that is a kick to Rafa if I ever saw one.
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              #7
              [QUOTE=wildman;893201]
              Originally posted by Jazzmaster View Post

              Yes because DIC would have bought, we'd probably have Eto to, these dickheads need to go


              thats exactly the kind of debate im referring to at the start of my post. What exactly have they done that is so wrong. I just dont see it.
              Fernando Torres

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                [QUOTE=tomasjj;893182]
                Originally posted by Jazzmaster View Post
                1. There is far too much anti-american sentiment on these boards at the moment. The owners ave funded the purchase of Fernando Torres

                This is where I stopped.

                They didn't. It was financed by a loan...a loan that the club carries, if I remember correctly.
                Exactly. No offence to Jazzmaster because I haven't read his post in it's entirety, but I'm sick of hearing how much backing the owners gave in the summer for purchases, how we'd never spend £20m on a Torres had Moores still been in charge. It's all bollocks IMO.
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                  #9
                  I fully support Rafa, but I'd love to know if it was an American manager who had seen us 12 points behind, playing occasionally 'odd' football, with English owners, whether there'd be quite so much emotion in the responses and quite so much show of support

                  My guess - no way. In fact, I'll go as far as saying I won't believe anyone who claims otherwise.

                  I'm still desperate to hear from Rafa himself about yesterday's revelations. That will be far more enlightening than all the speculation.

                  I'm also intrigued to see if we buy any more players in this window. (actions speak louder than words)
                  Quote of the year :

                  "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                    #10
                    Some posters are even more deluded than me
                    Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                    According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by disco View Post
                      I fully support Rafa, but I'd love to know if it was an American manager who had seen us 12 points behind, playing occasionally 'odd' football, with English owners, whether there'd be quite so much emotion in the responses and quite so much show of support
                      Nationality does not come into it. HE won us the CL Disco. And that deserves some loyalty and support. If it was an American manager that won us the CL that was treated this way by English owners we'd rally round him in the same way. Nationalities does not factor into this IMO, apart from the fact that these clowns, being yanks, clealry know **** all about the sport, and nothing about our club in particular.
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                        #12
                        LOL, I believed you until your final sentence.

                        "apart from the fact that these clowns, being yanks, clealry know **** all about the sport, and nothing about our club in particular. "

                        As it stands, I'm reserving judgement for the time being (re. the owners).

                        I'm holding onto the (increasingly) faint hope that Rafa knew all about this (or at least knew about it before the statement was released), otherwise Hicks announcement was ridiculous.
                        Quote of the year :

                        "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                          #13
                          I fully support Rafa, but I'd love to know if it was an American manager who had seen us 12 points behind, playing occasionally 'odd' football, with English owners, whether there'd be quite so much emotion in the responses and quite so much show of support
                          That's not even a realistic comparison

                          I'm still desperate to hear from Rafa himself about yesterday's revelations. That will be far more enlightening than all the speculation.
                          There's no way he'll comment on this. How could he possibly do that?

                          I'm also intrigued to see if we buy any more players in this window. (actions speak louder than words)
                          £7m on a defender already. How many players should we sign before you are convinced?
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dalglish View Post
                            That's not even a realistic comparison



                            There's no way he'll comment on this. How could he possibly do that?



                            £7m on a defender already. How many players should we sign before you are convinced?
                            - why not

                            - he'll comment if he's happy

                            - I was mildly surprised by the £7m on defender, but Rafa talked about 2-3 purchases, so I'll wait to see what happens.
                            Quote of the year :

                            "With monkey me, dogface dishwasher bitch and chimp the ****ing champ you. We are turning into a raving party here arent we"

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dalglish View Post
                              That's not even a realistic comparison



                              There's no way he'll comment on this. How could he possibly do that?



                              £7m on a defender already. How many players should we sign before you are convinced?


                              If he says something negative about G&H then he will be sacked IMO. Nothing really he can do than to sit there while everyone laugh at his situation.
                              Just believe and you never know what will happen.

                              According to Benitez it's important not simply to go out to win but to go out prepared to win, which means players have to put in the same level of work on a daily basis. Anything else is unacceptable.

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