Objective view

[desertscouser]

I realise that I am very much in the minority but the animosity many of over G&H and some of the venom that is aimed at them has been very harsh (and even justified).

Hicks is a very credible business man who's transformed businesses and since being at LFC our merchandise sales has increase substantially.

Okay, he has been a bit naive and his treatment of Rafa diabolical but I think he's learned from this.

May have agreed with you previously but not anymore. Hicks can f**k himself. He's a lying scheming piece of ****. The sooner he f**ks off the better. And he can take that little nerd of a man Gillett with him.

[Snigger]

Tom,

**** OFF.

Regards

ME

PS get royally ****ed in the arse, you prick!

just say what you think, stop beating around the bush.

[el matador]

He doesnt understand what we are about. He has no idea that Liverpool is all about winning trophies and doing it with integrity both on and off the pitch. To win we need to invest and re-invest. We have done this always - we did it when we bought barnes, beardsley and aldridge, we did it when we bought rushie back from juventus and have done it with Torres and Babel. We will always do it.

There was an article I came across when I was a youngster and I kept it and the headline was

'Liverpool's secret to success is that they always buy the best players'

We have done this throughout our history and we want to be the best. Hicks is a loud mouthed brash texan who cant put his money where is mouth is. We want the best and that is what Liverpool football club stands for. If he cant understand that and wants to settle for mediocrity he should have bought Aston Villa instead.

[enema of the state]

Read this

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=46226

and then this

http://www.est1892.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=46225

then go away and have a re-think.

why dont you post a thread of all his business successes for balance then have youre own little rethink.

a failed businessman???????

bet you wish you could be equally unsuccessful as him

[tomasjj]

Reckon it is more about his failure to honour the promises he has made in different businesses he has been involved in than his success.

[cobain]

I realise that I am very much in the minority but the animosity many of over G&H and some of the venom that is aimed at them has been very harsh (and even justified).

Hicks is a very credible business man who's transformed businesses and since being at LFC our merchandise sales has increase substantially.

Okay, he has been a bit naive and his treatment of Rafa diabolical but I think he's learned from this.

Of course, every page at lfc.tv is asking you to sign-up for an e-season ticket. the first page of lfc.tv has 100% more banners than before the Americans bought liverpool.

But I think that's it. I seriously doubt the sales will increase on other aspects with snoogy doogy still as chief executive :whatever:

[enema of the state]

Reckon it is more about his failure to honour the promises he has made in different businesses he has been involved in than his success.

Reckon its a slanted view full stop.

hicks has made megamillions in business - to do that, you have to have made the businesses youve owned and run better..............

picking out a couple of the businesses that didnt work out and some "promises" that didnt come to fruition is like selectively picking out bad football performances:.........rafa's lfc got knocked out of the fa cup in the 3rd round by burnley......rafas lfc lost loads of away games in the last few seasons......oh rafa must be a **** manager!!! would be parallel logic.

problem is theres a lot more to the tale and parrotting the worst of the man to make your point is slanted, ignorant and fast becoming boring. lets see what happens. I stick by my view that lfc is alive and well and whatever the future holds in terms of ownership/ manager/debt, well be successful in years to come

[JRC]

I don't think they have gone about running the club in an acceptable way by any means, but as soon as we got out of the Moores-owned comfort zone - which nearly every one agreed we had to - we found ourselves in the harsh world of corporate and commercial reality, where people like Hicks are ruthless bast*rds. Not 'The Liverpool Way'? Of course not, that was History already. Why should he respect that - it's his now. Did he mislead us to get through the door? Maybe, but don't try to tell me that kind of stuff never happens in business. Would DIC have been (or even will they be) any better? Different maybe, but just as likely to do something that upsets us at some time. The splenetic rage that they engender on here is understandable, but speaks more of a naive optimism about what to expect whn you sup with the Capitalist Devil(s)

I fear we are just going to have to get used to this kind of stuff, or variations on it - failing a conversion to a Barca model (although the political shenanigans they get every few years are pretty tiresome too). There's many a Utd fan who will still tell you how the Glazers are quietly ripping them all off, and ripping the heart and soul out of the club - and the Mancs have had years of getting used to commercial exploitation as the raison d'etre of their 'brand' - but with an exciting young team, 76,000 seater stadium and a League title in the bag, no-one is complaining too loudly. Nor would we if that's what we were to have under G&H in 3 or4 years time, and it's not necessarily incompatible with their ownership style and philosophy.

[Venton]

I don't think they have gone about running the club in an acceptable way by any means, but as soon as we got out of the Moores-owned comfort zone - which nearly every one agreed we had to - we found ourselves in the harsh world of corporate and commercial reality, where people like Hicks are ruthless bast*rds. Not 'The Liverpool Way'? Of course not, that was History already. Why should he respect that - it's his now. Did he mislead us to get through the door? Maybe, but don't try to tell me that kind of stuff never happens in business. Would DIC have been (or even will they be) any better? Different maybe, but just as likely to do something that upsets us at some time. The splenetic rage that they engender on here is understandable, but speaks more of a naive optimism about what to expect whn you sup with the Capitalist Devil(s)

I fear we are just going to have to get used to this kind of stuff, or variations on it - failing a conversion to a Barca model (although the political shenanigans they get every few years are pretty tiresome too). There's many a Utd fan who will still tell you how the Glazers are quietly ripping them all off, and ripping the heart and soul out of the club - and the Mancs have had years of getting used to commercial exploitation as the raison d'etre of their 'brand' - but with an exciting young team, 76,000 seater stadium and a League title in the bag, no-one is complaining too loudly. Nor would we if that's what we were to have under G&H in 3 or4 years time, and it's not necessarily incompatible with their ownership style and philosophy.

I wouldn't argue with any of that

[Vermilion]

I don't think they have gone about running the club in an acceptable way by any means, but as soon as we got out of the Moores-owned comfort zone - which nearly every one agreed we had to - we found ourselves in the harsh world of corporate and commercial reality, where people like Hicks are ruthless bast*rds. Not 'The Liverpool Way'? Of course not, that was History already. Why should he respect that - it's his now. Did he mislead us to get through the door? Maybe, but don't try to tell me that kind of stuff never happens in business. Would DIC have been (or even will they be) any better? Different maybe, but just as likely to do something that upsets us at some time. The splenetic rage that they engender on here is understandable, but speaks more of a naive optimism about what to expect whn you sup with the Capitalist Devil(s)

I fear we are just going to have to get used to this kind of stuff, or variations on it - failing a conversion to a Barca model (although the political shenanigans they get every few years are pretty tiresome too). There's many a Utd fan who will still tell you how the Glazers are quietly ripping them all off, and ripping the heart and soul out of the club - and the Mancs have had years of getting used to commercial exploitation as the raison d'etre of their 'brand' - but with an exciting young team, 76,000 seater stadium and a League title in the bag, no-one is complaining too loudly. Nor would we if that's what we were to have under G&H in 3 or4 years time, and it's not necessarily incompatible with their ownership style and philosophy.

Dont agree, i believe DIC would be better for us, i also believe Moores & Parry we're 'Duty Bound' to sell the 'family silver' off to an acceptable, respectful & as far as the Liverpool way go's Moraly Aware Custodian. We as fans were, no matter how naive, within our right's to believe 'messers' Moores & Parry would do this. IMO.

[redlancer]

Reckon its a slanted view full stop.

hicks has made megamillions in business - to do that, you have to have made the businesses youve owned and run better..............

picking out a couple of the businesses that didnt work out and some "promises" that didnt come to fruition is like selectively picking out bad football performances:.........rafa's lfc got knocked out of the fa cup in the 3rd round by burnley......rafas lfc lost loads of away games in the last few seasons......oh rafa must be a **** manager!!! would be parallel logic.

problem is theres a lot more to the tale and parrotting the worst of the man to make your point is slanted, ignorant and fast becoming boring. lets see what happens. I stick by my view that lfc is alive and well and whatever the future holds in terms of ownership/ manager/debt, well be successful in years to come

for me although things aint rosy

we're 6months into our new owners - who had and maybe still have a major issue with Rafa. No one here is privvy to the full facts. And if they are about getting Rafa out then they're hardly likley to fund his transfers.

I've gone to a bank manager with a buisness plan and within a few months due to unforseen circumstances had to change it - aint lying its just buisness.

If your in for a fast buck or end up biting off more than you can chew the last thing you'd do would be get rid of the manager as the new manager will want his own players brought in i.e. cost and would also need time.

DIC would of wanted to see a return for thier money aswell. Then there was that released doc about DIC setting us up as a 3 year investment fund. Granted it all seemed like to make money we'd need to winning the PL etc. But the yanks must see that aswell.

As soon as Moores signed any paper handing over ownership we were going to become a buisness.

Moores wouldn't sell us out knowingly and he doesn't look that haggered at the mo IMO and he's going to be privvy to more facts than anyone here.

If the owners can;t work with Rafa that just maybe one of thoose things.

It still early days and all the things the Yanks are doing DIC could of done aswell.
6 months in and mistakes have been made I'm open to give them more time and see what the next few weeks deliver befor ei start burning effigies

[enema of the state]

for me although things aint rosy

we're 6months into our new owners - who had and maybe still have a major issue with Rafa. No one here is privvy to the full facts. And if they are about getting Rafa out then they're hardly likley to fund his transfers.

I've gone to a bank manager with a buisness plan and within a few months due to unforseen circumstances had to change it - aint lying its just buisness.

If your in for a fast buck or end up biting off more than you can chew the last thing you'd do would be get rid of the manager as the new manager will want his own players brought in i.e. cost and would also need time.

DIC would of wanted to see a return for thier money aswell. Then there was that released doc about DIC setting us up as a 3 year investment fund. Granted it all seemed like to make money we'd need to winning the PL etc. But the yanks must see that aswell.

As soon as Moores signed any paper handing over ownership we were going to become a buisness.

Moores wouldn't sell us out knowingly and he doesn't look that haggered at the mo IMO and he's going to be privvy to more facts than anyone here.

If the owners can;t work with Rafa that just maybe one of thoose things.

It still early days and all the things the Yanks are doing DIC could of done aswell.
6 months in and mistakes have been made I'm open to give them more time and see what the next few weeks deliver befor ei start burning effigies

[Exiled_red]

I realise that I am very much in the minority but the animosity many of over G&H and some of the venom that is aimed at them has been very harsh (and even justified).

Hicks is a very credible business man who's transformed businesses and since being at LFC our merchandise sales has increase substantially.

Okay, he has been a bit naive and his treatment of Rafa diabolical but I think he's learned from this.

Our merchandise sales have increased significantly because our previous sale policy was pathetically inadequate.

[jonesie]

I've been staying out of this for a reason. Some of you know where I work so I got all the info first thing Monday morning, and I'll be honest I thought Rafa was a goner there and then, but then it calmed down.

If anything, getting all this out in the open could clear the air and smooth things over.

I didn't join in with any of the 'anti-yank' chants on Tuesday, but I did with the 'pro-Rafa' ones.

The idea that DIC are going to ride in on a white horse (probably one of the Sheikh's) and sort it all out is stupid. We just have to see what happens, but over-reacting doesn't help.

Yes it's not the Liverpool way, it's the American way, and for the moment it's the only way we have. So let's get on with it.

[Exiled_red]

for me although things aint rosy

we're 6months into our new owners - who had and maybe still have a major issue with Rafa. No one here is privvy to the full facts. And if they are about getting Rafa out then they're hardly likley to fund his transfers.

I've gone to a bank manager with a buisness plan and within a few months due to unforseen circumstances had to change it - aint lying its just buisness.

If your in for a fast buck or end up biting off more than you can chew the last thing you'd do would be get rid of the manager as the new manager will want his own players brought in i.e. cost and would also need time.

DIC would of wanted to see a return for thier money aswell. Then there was that released doc about DIC setting us up as a 3 year investment fund. Granted it all seemed like to make money we'd need to winning the PL etc. But the yanks must see that aswell.

As soon as Moores signed any paper handing over ownership we were going to become a buisness.

Moores wouldn't sell us out knowingly and he doesn't look that haggered at the mo IMO and he's going to be privvy to more facts than anyone here.

If the owners can;t work with Rafa that just maybe one of thoose things.

It still early days and all the things the Yanks are doing DIC could of done aswell.
6 months in and mistakes have been made I'm open to give them more time and see what the next few weeks deliver befor ei start burning effigies

One of the key reasons the club was sold to them was that they promised they would not contemplate securing the debt acquired in buying the club against the club itself. This is a promise they have broken!!

It seems that the problems in resecuring the loan is running into problems as Hicks won't put up £20m of his own cash for a loan of £350m against an asset he supposedly values at close to £1billion. Ask yourself why this is